Again, the problem is that women are way more forceful about marriage and women are much more likely to break up with a guy over a rejected marriage proposal. Men who are told "we should wait" normally don't leave their girlfriends. I personally have NEVER seen a guy break up over a marriage proposal but have seen women propose and then either freak out or break up with the guy when he doesn't want to get married.
For some of us, we do better if our partner leads. I'm autistic, & may really want something but not be able to get it out. Also, I can't read emotion. So for people with mental disorders like me, yes the woman proposing is such a relief & just as special.
It all depends of the situation. What if the man just got out of a very hurtful and devastating relationship or marriage and they seem to refuse to ask their new squeeze to marry them? What if you're getting to be old, and all of the traditions you once held dear are thrown out the door? If I were a little reserved to ask a woman to marry me in my old age, I don't think it would be too forward if she asked me to marry her.
That’s offering yourself on a silver platter to a man. I can’t imagine anything else more or putting. Women are the PRIZE. It’s in our biology to be the receiver not giver. If there has been previous talk about marriage, why can’t the man propose? Unless he’s taking on the role of the woman and feels comfortable with it in which case I wouldn’t even want that ‘’man”
We aren't superman you know. And that biology quote you made is not true. Lots of women give instead of recieve.
I'm the man who would make the first move, but if the woman did, I could care less about what others thought because it just shows her willingness to keep me as I've been constantly proving to her.
Proposing isn't putting oneself on a silver platter, it is a show of affirmation and commitment.
You're over here talking about silver platters lol. If the guy truly loves you, none of that matters. You're thinking about this all wrong. Don't get married any time soon with that way of thinking. I'd feel sorry for the guy.
I'm a pretty open minded person that looks at other people's perspectives as well as my own... so I'm gonna say that it depends on the person... I definitely wouldn't propose to my boyfriend as I'm pretty old fashioned person and like the man to make the move. As in my own personal opinion it just looks wrong... I'm not against it either and I'm sure there are some guys out there that would rather if the girl made the move
@DellBell I totally respect your beliefs and those values, and I feel similar, in many ways!! But how long will you wait for him to propose, before you think maybe he won't, or you just decide to ask him, maybe?
I dont think its desperate at all, I think there are certain dynamics where the guy may not be comfortable asking so she does it to satisfy both of them. Or if the woman is just naturally the more dominant person in the relationship it may just feel natural for her to ask even more natural than the man
I didn't think about that, one big area of stress a lot of guys go through is "the ring" If the woman asks, that financial and emotional burden is gone.
You only think its desperate because you've been brainwashed by traditional society. A woman falls in love too and she wants to marry too. Don't think its only men who want to marry.
@toastygoblins Divorce rates have been higher than old society because nowadays marriage is not about commitment but passion. Marriage is not fun, rainbows and unicorns, its about sticking together even when things aren't exciting and hot anymore. Some folks even fall in and out of love in marriages but they stick together.
A woman asking a man to marry her would take away all her power. Women who propose are forcing the man into marriage because a man who WANTS to marry a woman WILL marry a woman.
@Gisellebabe you can’t force anyone to marry you if you’re asking them for a yes or no. a man won’t promise to marry a woman he doesn’t want to. He understands it’s a choice
He understands that he has become the woman in the partnership. No proper “man” will ever allow a woman to need to propose to him in the first place. Get that in your head.
@Gisellebabe Don't tell me I'm the one who is crazy when you think asking a man to marry you is called forcing a man to marry you. You're the one who doesn't make any sense on here. Women love too. Women want to MARRY too. Don't think that its only men who love and marry. Often times, the woman brings up marriage FIRST. Then the guy goes to get the ring to propose. Just because he proposed, it doesn't mean the woman didn't ask for it first.
@Gisellebabe Waiting for men to approach you. Not asking out cute guys, but rather to hope that he will notice you one day. Not asking to marry the man you want but rather waiting forever hoping that he will propose one day, is not chasing the life you want. You will only end up dying miserable. If you want it, go for it.
You are crazy. Period. A man who is comfortable to ALLOW his woman to propose to HIM is either not committed enough to start with or gay. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t want to be with a “man” like that. Nobody has said women don’t want to get married and it’s common for women to being up the idea of marriage, however if the man still cannot and will not take the hint and waits for his woman to propose then that shows he isn’t marriage material anyway. So to sum up, a proper “man” will propose to the woman he wants to marry or in the case that his woman “wants to marry too” then he will take the hint and STILL FUCKING PROPOSE. Get that into your naive head.
Asking “a cute guy out” is not the same thing as proposing to him you silly little girl. I “approached” my boyfriend and now you think I would ask him to marry me because it’s “going for the life I want”? You are very deluded my dear or you don’t know your worth as a woman yet. Grow a little first and then come back in a few years and see if your opinion has changed or not
@Gisellebabe I'm sorry but men aren't the ones who always think about marriage first. In fact, women are more obsessed about getting married than men. Just because you didn't think about marriage first, it doesn't mean you aren't a man. Its not about the how fast you think about marriage, that defines you. It doesn't make any sense. And from my experience, the woman is often the first ones to think about marriage. She mentions it to the guy and then he proposes.
I think you're just the product of brainwashed society where women should never approach a man, never talk to a man unless he talks to her, only men should buy gifts for the woman. Yea, well guess what? If you keep waiting around like that, you're gonna just be miserable. Why would I wait years for a man to propose when I can just tell him that I want to get married or propose myself? why would wait forever for a cute guy to talk to me? what if he never notices me? what if he never talks to me because he never knew I liked him? This is really not chasing what you want in life. And at the end, you're just gonna be miserable because the cute guy most likely would never talk to you. You spent years dating a guy who never proposed.
@Gisellebabe "Grow a little first and then come back in a few years and see if your opinion has changed or not "
It is not worth it to continue dating a man for years and not know if he will ever propose. Because at the end of the day, you're wasting time. there's nothing wrong with bringing up marriage or proposing. You will just save years of worrying over long nights over if he will propose.
@Gisellebabe I very feminine. I let the man lead in the relationship. he's the one who initiates kisses, hugs, plans about places he can take me to on dates. But if there is a place that I really wanna go, I let him know so we can enjoy it together. Being feminine doesn't mean depriving yourself of the right to enjoy life. And if I really really wanted to get married, I let him know so that he can buy the ring. When you're not speaking out about what you want, your man doesn't know how to serve you. A man who loves you only wants you to be happy and enjoy life. You're a human being, not a dummy.
@Gisellebabe There’s nothing “womanish” about a man saying “yes” after being proposed to, you irrational cunt.. he can agree to take the offer or leave it.. If he had turned her down, what then? Because he genuinely didn’t love her? Or would that somehow make him more than less of a “man” so to speak? By being a rejecting her offer? Being an asshole is the natural male essence? You’re really just subconsciously antagonizing men here lol.
You’re literally implying that women are only worth anything if they remain stagnant and spend their entire lives waiting for Mr. perfect to come sweep them off their feet and whisper sweet nothings into their ear and nothing else. It really doesn’t matter which side proposes, as long as they remain committed and their vows are sincere, in which—nothing is said in vain.
But, yikes.. a lot of internalized misogyny here on your end. Good luck finding any female friends with that mentality.
Disagree. I don't see anything wrong if a woman asks a man to marry her, but instead i see it as a sign of true love, courage and devotion. It surely can be awkward as it deviates from traditions and I think its kind of cool.
I certainly don't want my partner asking me to marry her, its something I definitely want to do. Majority of women want men to do the asking as well. Its nothing to do with tradition or chivalry, its just something I desire to do and nothing I want my partner doing.
I personally wouldn't but I'm old-fashioned and I would be offended if I had to be the one to propose lol. If other couples feel that that works for them, hey that's great.
I would think so too a man's love to be married is something a women can't top unless she is married and the man is showing Love in the correct manner. Married while being cheated on means a lot SHOWS a lot tells a lot like no self respect and looking for (fake) security
It's 2019. How is that desperate as opposed to a man proposing? It's better to be honest about what you want instead of waiting around for something that turns out may never come.
He is not forced. Marriage is a decision. You don’t respect women and believe they are children And men only want to marry children bc they are deep down at heart all Pedophiles- fair enough.
But that Doesn’t mean men lack agency bc they were asked a question. When a woman is asked she likewise has a decision to make.
Everyone marrying us on full control over whether they marry. The belief that a women is only a real woman if age gives up her power to men is sick.
Saying fir a woman to act ok her own interest, takes AWAY her power is a lie women have been stuffed with for mich of history... how convenient for those who want to control them. 🙄
Nobody is forcing him to say yes. Same way nobody is forcing her. Why should she wait and wait and wait? And wonder if he'll ever propose? Why does he get to decide when something that big happens just because he's the man?
How beta can you be to accept a woman proposing to you? Might as well get her a strapon so she can fuck you in the ass as well. So the next morning you can take care of the children and cook while she's off at work.
The fuck is going on? How can girls enjoy sissy ass men like this? Guess they never had a good rough fucking from a powerful man that would show them how important and attractive it is for a man to be in control.
Honestly we have bigger issue to worry about than a woman asking a man to marry her. Everyone talks about equal rights and equality among man and woman, so I don't see why it would be wrong for a woman to ask a man to marry her.
There is NOTHING equal about men and women! We don’t get paid the same, we don’t have the same physical strength to protect ourselves, we deal with periods and childbirth.. how on earth are we the same as men please? Explain that to me? It’s bad enough that this is a man’s world, now they want to enjoy the benefits of a RECEIVING nature? Haha
I mean, I think marriage should be fully talked about beforehand to prevent buying a ring and getting a no. If a girl wants to ask then let her and same with a guy, there is nothing wrong with it either way.
If that were the case, wouldn't that also make men pitifully desperate, too?
We live in a world where women can do just about anything men were only ever expected to do. I've seen many guys seeking women who make the first move. I've heard men, personally, as me to make the "first move" every once in a while.
@JackSmy she’s saying that if proposing would make a woman desperate, then it would also make a man “desperate”. However, it’s in a man’s biology to GIVE and a woman is meant to RECEIVE.
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Completely disagree. Women should never feel pathetic or desperate when they make the first move or propose.
That's a hell of a boss move in my opinion. And proposals are all about sharing happiness and taking the relationship to the next level.
I'd definitely propose if ever I find the right guy and want to make things more serious.
Again, the problem is that women are way more forceful about marriage and women are much more likely to break up with a guy over a rejected marriage proposal. Men who are told "we should wait" normally don't leave their girlfriends. I personally have NEVER seen a guy break up over a marriage proposal but have seen women propose and then either freak out or break up with the guy when he doesn't want to get married.
@ronaldo75 I bet that there are some guys like that too lol
Some, but you all are more emotional
@ronaldo75 let's just agree to disagree 😂❤
For some of us, we do better if our partner leads. I'm autistic, & may really want something but not be able to get it out. Also, I can't read emotion. So for people with mental disorders like me, yes the woman proposing is such a relief & just as special.
It all depends of the situation. What if the man just got out of a very hurtful and devastating relationship or marriage and they seem to refuse to ask their new squeeze to marry them? What if you're getting to be old, and all of the traditions you once held dear are thrown out the door? If I were a little reserved to ask a woman to marry me in my old age, I don't think it would be too forward if she asked me to marry her.
That’s offering yourself on a silver platter to a man. I can’t imagine anything else more or putting. Women are the PRIZE. It’s in our biology to be the receiver not giver. If there has been previous talk about marriage, why can’t the man propose? Unless he’s taking on the role of the woman and feels comfortable with it in which case I wouldn’t even want that ‘’man”
We aren't superman you know. And that biology quote you made is not true. Lots of women give instead of recieve.
I'm the man who would make the first move, but if the woman did, I could care less about what others thought because it just shows her willingness to keep me as I've been constantly proving to her.
Proposing isn't putting oneself on a silver platter, it is a show of affirmation and commitment.
You're over here talking about silver platters lol. If the guy truly loves you, none of that matters. You're thinking about this all wrong. Don't get married any time soon with that way of thinking. I'd feel sorry for the guy.
I'm a pretty open minded person that looks at other people's perspectives as well as my own... so I'm gonna say that it depends on the person... I definitely wouldn't propose to my boyfriend as I'm pretty old fashioned person and like the man to make the move. As in my own personal opinion it just looks wrong... I'm not against it either and I'm sure there are some guys out there that would rather if the girl made the move
@DellBell I totally respect your beliefs and those values, and I feel similar, in many ways!! But how long will you wait for him to propose, before you think maybe he won't, or you just decide to ask him, maybe?
@JackSmy he's planning on at some stage because I was kinda giving him hints and we ended up having a conversation about it :)
My boyfriend would be old fashioned as well :)
I dont think its desperate at all, I think there are certain dynamics where the guy may not be comfortable asking so she does it to satisfy both of them. Or if the woman is just naturally the more dominant person in the relationship it may just feel natural for her to ask even more natural than the man
I didn't think about that, one big area of stress a lot of guys go through is "the ring" If the woman asks, that financial and emotional burden is gone.
You only think its desperate because you've been brainwashed by traditional society. A woman falls in love too and she wants to marry too. Don't think its only men who want to marry.
Men usually avoid marriage, if anything lol
Traditional society would be against marriage period.
Misworded that. Modern society is against marriage. Traditional society is in favor of marriage even if it isn't 100% conventional.
@toastygoblins Divorce rates have been higher than old society because nowadays marriage is not about commitment but passion. Marriage is not fun, rainbows and unicorns, its about sticking together even when things aren't exciting and hot anymore. Some folks even fall in and out of love in marriages but they stick together.
A woman asking a man to marry her would take away all her power. Women who propose are forcing the man into marriage because a man who WANTS to marry a woman WILL marry a woman.
@Gisellebabe you can’t force anyone to marry you if you’re asking them for a yes or no. a man won’t promise to marry a woman he doesn’t want to. He understands it’s a choice
He understands that he has become the woman in the partnership. No proper “man” will ever allow a woman to need to propose to him in the first place. Get that in your head.
@Gisellebabe Don't tell me I'm the one who is crazy when you think asking a man to marry you is called forcing a man to marry you. You're the one who doesn't make any sense on here. Women love too. Women want to MARRY too. Don't think that its only men who love and marry. Often times, the woman brings up marriage FIRST. Then the guy goes to get the ring to propose.
Just because he proposed, it doesn't mean the woman didn't ask for it first.
@Gisellebabe Waiting for men to approach you. Not asking out cute guys, but rather to hope that he will notice you one day. Not asking to marry the man you want but rather waiting forever hoping that he will propose one day, is not chasing the life you want. You will only end up dying miserable. If you want it, go for it.
You are crazy. Period. A man who is comfortable to ALLOW his woman to propose to HIM is either not committed enough to start with or gay. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t want to be with a “man” like that. Nobody has said women don’t want to get married and it’s common for women to being up the idea of marriage, however if the man still cannot and will not take the hint and waits for his woman to propose then that shows he isn’t marriage material anyway. So to sum up, a proper “man” will propose to the woman he wants to marry or in the case that his woman “wants to marry too” then he will take the hint and STILL FUCKING PROPOSE. Get that into your naive head.
Asking “a cute guy out” is not the same thing as proposing to him you silly little girl. I “approached” my boyfriend and now you think I would ask him to marry me because it’s “going for the life I want”? You are very deluded my dear or you don’t know your worth as a woman yet. Grow a little first and then come back in a few years and see if your opinion has changed or not
@Gisellebabe I'm sorry but men aren't the ones who always think about marriage first. In fact, women are more obsessed about getting married than men. Just because you didn't think about marriage first, it doesn't mean you aren't a man. Its not about the how fast you think about marriage, that defines you. It doesn't make any sense. And from my experience, the woman is often the first ones to think about marriage. She mentions it to the guy and then he proposes.
I think you're just the product of brainwashed society where women should never approach a man, never talk to a man unless he talks to her, only men should buy gifts for the woman. Yea, well guess what? If you keep waiting around like that, you're gonna just be miserable.
Why would I wait years for a man to propose when I can just tell him that I want to get married or propose myself? why would wait forever for a cute guy to talk to me? what if he never notices me? what if he never talks to me because he never knew I liked him?
This is really not chasing what you want in life. And at the end, you're just gonna be miserable because the cute guy most likely would never talk to you. You spent years dating a guy who never proposed.
@Gisellebabe
"Grow a little first and then come back in a few years and see if your opinion has changed or not "
It is not worth it to continue dating a man for years and not know if he will ever propose. Because at the end of the day, you're wasting time. there's nothing wrong with bringing up marriage or proposing. You will just save years of worrying over long nights over if he will propose.
You’re very naive.
My advice to you would be don’t propose to anyone because the man will never respect you for it. Let him be a man and don’t make a woman out of him.
@Gisellebabe I very feminine. I let the man lead in the relationship. he's the one who initiates kisses, hugs, plans about places he can take me to on dates. But if there is a place that I really wanna go, I let him know so we can enjoy it together. Being feminine doesn't mean depriving yourself of the right to enjoy life. And if I really really wanted to get married, I let him know so that he can buy the ring. When you're not speaking out about what you want, your man doesn't know how to serve you. A man who loves you only wants you to be happy and enjoy life. You're a human being, not a dummy.
@Gisellebabe There’s nothing “womanish” about a man saying “yes” after being proposed to, you irrational cunt.. he can agree to take the offer or leave it.. If he had turned her down, what then? Because he genuinely didn’t love her? Or would that somehow make him more than less of a “man” so to speak? By being a rejecting her offer? Being an asshole is the natural male essence? You’re really just subconsciously antagonizing men here lol.
@Gisellebabe “You don’t your worth as a woman”
You’re literally implying that women are only worth anything if they remain stagnant and spend their entire lives waiting for Mr. perfect to come sweep them off their feet and whisper sweet nothings into their ear and nothing else. It really doesn’t matter which side proposes, as long as they remain committed and their vows are sincere, in which—nothing is said in vain.
But, yikes.. a lot of internalized misogyny here on your end. Good luck finding any female friends with that mentality.
@Gisellebabe Very ignorant choice of words, which reflects more on your behalf.
@Ninjazzed Its a really sad thing what brainwashing can do.
You’re still speaking to yourself I see
@Gisellebabe You seem to be very confused.
@Ninjazzed I’m not reading shit. I keep getting notifications from random ass losers lol
@Gisellebabe Yep, sounds like you’re the only loser here. Stay in denial if you want, only shows how petty and pathetic you are. 🤷🏻♀️
Disagree.
I don't see anything wrong if a woman asks a man to marry her, but instead i see it as a sign of true love, courage and devotion. It surely can be awkward as it deviates from traditions and I think its kind of cool.
I don't know tbh. I wouldn't do it, but ofc I'd tell the guy something like... are we going somewhere or nah?
I think you're right. Let them tell you what's up.
I certainly don't want my partner asking me to marry her, its something I definitely want to do. Majority of women want men to do the asking as well. Its nothing to do with tradition or chivalry, its just something I desire to do and nothing I want my partner doing.
I personally wouldn't but I'm old-fashioned and I would be offended if I had to be the one to propose lol. If other couples feel that that works for them, hey that's great.
I totally disagree, this is the 21st century not some stone age time.
My guess is they did in the Stone Age. Just stopped during “ civilization”
I would think so too a man's love to be married is something a women can't top unless she is married and the man is showing Love in the correct manner. Married while being cheated on means a lot SHOWS a lot tells a lot like no self respect and looking for (fake) security
I don't see why not. Men (atleast I do, can't speak for everyone) like when the woman blatantly shows her love and devotion to us as we to for her.
I'd be the sap that if a woman knelt and asked me to marry her, I'd pick her right back up and totally say yes.
It's 2019. How is that desperate as opposed to a man proposing? It's better to be honest about what you want instead of waiting around for something that turns out may never come.
That simply means the man was forced into marriage
@Gisellebabe
He is not forced. Marriage is a decision. You don’t respect women and believe they are children And men only want to marry children bc they are deep down at heart all Pedophiles- fair enough.
But that Doesn’t mean men lack agency bc they were asked a question. When a woman is asked she likewise has a decision to make.
Everyone marrying us on full control over whether they marry. The belief that a women is only a real woman if age gives up her power to men is sick.
Saying fir a woman to act ok her own interest, takes AWAY her power is a lie women have been stuffed with for mich of history... how convenient for those who want to control them. 🙄
@VIVANT I didn’t read all of it but I already know you make no sense
@Gisellebabe I read it and it doesn't. Also how do you mean the man was forced into marriage?
I mean that he would’ve proposed before waiting to get proposed to
Nobody is forcing him to say yes. Same way nobody is forcing her. Why should she wait and wait and wait? And wonder if he'll ever propose? Why does he get to decide when something that big happens just because he's the man?
How beta can you be to accept a woman proposing to you?
Might as well get her a strapon so she can fuck you in the ass as well.
So the next morning you can take care of the children and cook while she's off at work.
The fuck is going on? How can girls enjoy sissy ass men like this? Guess they never had a good rough fucking from a powerful man that would show them how important and attractive it is for a man to be in control.
Aww look at the wanna be alpha boy
Honestly we have bigger issue to worry about than a woman asking a man to marry her. Everyone talks about equal rights and equality among man and woman, so I don't see why it would be wrong for a woman to ask a man to marry her.
There is NOTHING equal about men and women! We don’t get paid the same, we don’t have the same physical strength to protect ourselves, we deal with periods and childbirth.. how on earth are we the same as men please? Explain that to me? It’s bad enough that this is a man’s world, now they want to enjoy the benefits of a RECEIVING nature? Haha
A woman should not ask a guy to marry! I feel as if she's taken away his manhood and made him feminine
At least to propose yeah women shouldn't, but to ask a guy out for example isn't a problem.
I mean, I think marriage should be fully talked about beforehand to prevent buying a ring and getting a no. If a girl wants to ask then let her and same with a guy, there is nothing wrong with it either way.
I somewhat agree but in another sense that kinda ruins the magic of it
If that were the case, wouldn't that also make men pitifully desperate, too?
We live in a world where women can do just about anything men were only ever expected to do. I've seen many guys seeking women who make the first move. I've heard men, personally, as me to make the "first move" every once in a while.
I don't understand your response, and saying that it would make men 'pitifully desperate'!
@JackSmy if it makes women so, then it makes men so as well.
Pitiful? How so?
@JackSmy she’s saying that if proposing would make a woman desperate, then it would also make a man “desperate”. However, it’s in a man’s biology to GIVE and a woman is meant to RECEIVE.
It was rhetorical 🤓 she was making a point based on the original assertion 👍🏻
@VIVANT thank you!