I'm at least pseudo-traditionalist or maybe a bit of a romantic. I don't think in terms of what is desperate but I think tradition and culture is a foundation on which we find joy and sentiment and maybe even a little bit of "magic" in our lives. I don't want to throw it out.
Take Christmas as an example. Someone could hold the view that it's some dumb tradition and commercial Holiday which gets people to waste money left and right and then they can find it miserable. Or a person can see Christmas tree, carols, a feast with loved ones, and maybe they'll find a spark of magic to briefly take them out of the everyday stress of living. We have to build meaning into these things if we find them meaningful.
And perhaps some people might want to throw it all away -- away with the traditions! And they could throw out the entire book: Christmas, Valentine's, Thanksgivings, weddings, birthdays, anniversaries, traditional styles of courtship -- you name it -- and try to invent their own rules while they stumble around searching for meaning, and maybe they'll invent some every now and then. Yet there would be no structure to it, and no guide to say what is memorable, romantic, even fashionable, and I can't help but think that would be rather miserable picturing a couple stumbling around and trying to reinvent all sorts of wheels.
These things are very cultural as I've learned the hard way through repeated culture shock growing up. A candlelit dinner is only as romantic as we make it. To some cultures, it's just a room with bad lighting. We find meaning where we build it. And so I don't want to throw out the book.
Dude, why would she be desperate? Marriage is a legal contract, it's like losing your virginity, you can put it up on as high of a pedestal as you want, but it's still just an action that you do.
Some guys put it up there and are afraid to cross that line, same with a lot of women. Oh, it has to be traditional, and cost 10 grand, with a band, something borrowed, something blue, something old and something new.
I just went to the justice of the peace both times, then had a party after. If I'd been asked instead of doing the asking, the difference would have been saving 50-100 bucks on filing at court, maybe the cost of alcohol for the party since I expected people to bring food.
It is just a legal contract when all is said and done, whatever glitter and sparkles you put on it. If it's advantageous, do it, if it isn't, don't. If a woman I'm with shows me how it's better for us to be married, I'll pull that trigger, that's her asking.
If not, I won't, and won't be asking either. Damn, you can get a prenup if marriage scares you so much. The point before you even get to marriage is trusting who you're with and working towards common goals.
Presumably two people getting married see going to have been discussing it in depth. The proposal is just a formality , it certainly has nothing to do with desperation. Making gestures stepping up showing commitment -its being an adult. Desperation has zero to do with it.
if they both want to marry they will be pleased with whoever proposes. If they see marrying for the wrong reasons.. then Proposal becomes a power play. Anyone in love who really wants to spend their life with someone won’t get quibbling Over who asks.
it seems like some Men only want to marry to show dominance. I’d have more confidence in a guy wanting me if I proposed and he was happy about it. Otherwise it could just be him wanting control or the thrill of The hunt. I want to marry a human not a lion.
Same principle applies to asking guys out. Women are warned against it and made to feel ashamed of being assertive and knowing their own mind and going after what they want and tike guys will only use them that way.. but in my opinion It’s tye opposite. the guys who are truly interested And respectful and not just after the chase , will be the ones to say yes. The control freaks and players, will judge her and lose interest. It’s a good filtering process. in my opinion
Great reply! Anyone who wants to treat marriage as a business transaction should better review his/her assumptions and priorities in life, if they believe in an intangible essence in it beyond materialistic rules and expectations.
Disagree for the simple reason that it's neither illegal in state law nor in my religion. If women proposing to men was such a bad idea God would have forbidden it, but He didn't. It is equally permissible for women to propose as men.
Prophet Muhammad's first wife was his employer that proposed to him and he agreed. Speaking as a Muslim, if the best man in this world, the man every believer in Islam should be looking up to and following, what makes you think it's a more superior decision to suggest that women shouldn't be the ones proposing?
I know not everyone reading this is a Muslim or even likes Islam, which isn't my matter of concern, because it is my reasoning and no one else has to agree.
You asked if I agree or disagree. I told my answer and explained it. Plain and simple. Am pretty sure you wouldn't say that to a Christian stating religious reasons. You only have problem when a Muslim does it.
@CubsterShura Thank you for sharing that, about you, and Islam. So many misunderstand and judge, based on lies and half-truths! Thank you for sharing your opinion, your belief!
@ronaldo75 Have some respect for others, dude! Why post hateful sht lke that? What do you expect to do with that, except make someone feel bad, or start an argument?
@VIVANT I see a ton of Christian posts over here, some even stating here how the Bible makes it only a man's job to step in and propose and take the lead... no one told them they got zero credibility :v
Christians can shit on my religion but I'll be called the radical extremist if I say that God has so son.
Likewise I think it would be off putting for the woman of the guy didn’t like it...
I meaN what are we talking about here - wanting a life together.
Anyone who truly wants to be with someone isn’t going to get hung up on who asks who... or at least in my opinion they shouldn’t. you either love someone and want to spend your life with them or it’s a game and you just want an ego boost 🤷♀️
That is my opinion I’m not saying you should think that way and I understand it could bother guys... I’m also aware that being bothered would be bothersome to me. It’s patronizing amongst the other problems.
@VIVANT It's the guys responsibility so for most friends, family, etc will all probably think she is either pushing the marriage or he isn't ready. If they discussed it before hand then fine but I would tend to think there is something else going on if she has to ask him... in most cases not all cases. Thanks for your opinion though... I tend to agree if both are on the same page.
Disagree. I've never honored traditions that conflicted with my views on life. I don't agree with many of the traditional dating norms, marriage norms, and countless other norms when it comes to mating. For ex: The concept of having to woo or chase someone who supposedly likes me back. I don't agree with that. Meeting me half way does. Same with marriage. If she wants to marry me, she can tell me. We'll make the arrangements if my heart's the same. The same in visa versa. Gender roles in anything outside of the physical nature of things never resonated with me. Meaning when it comes to protecting her from harm in any way, it would be second nature to me. Making sure she feels okay, etc. But if she wants to spend the rest of her life with me, why can't she tell me? I'd rather a free and harmonious relationship. We wouldn't be limited to traditions and social norms. We do whatever we want. Longs we're eye to eye and together... and no, she wouldn't be getting on her knees. That's tradition.
@Gisellebabe That was a pretty ignorant response, Giselle. When it comes to scrapping certain traditional gender roles, yes, whatever you say. But based on everything else I said about protecting her, and making sure she's okay, etc. I don't see how you didn't attribute that to a male temperament. Traditions change. Nature, at it's base, does not.
@pleasestopthis Agreed. All of that stuff was made up by some guy way back when. Same with our modern etiquette. Why should I follow something that someone else made up ages ago if it serves no effective purpose in my life? I was never the one to follow rules i didn't agree with. TY
I am not too crazy about marriage in this day and age (high divorce rates are a turn off) but I am still a traditionalist raised in the Catholic Church.
Yet I from what I can see it seems like women will have to do the asking in the not too distance future for several reasons: 1. Loss of old school tranditions 2. B luring of traditional gender roles. 3. Believe it or not the # metoo movement has made many mean weary of approaching women. The main stream media will down play this but I have it on good authority from some people that I know that even at the college level guys are being instructed by their coaches and older students to be weary of females especially at parties and to not drink in their presence. 4. Many women have noticed that men are not approaching them anymore. Myself have kept a distance from women since the whole #metoo thing came on to the scene. It seems like if women want to get married they are the ones that will have to do the approaching and the asking. It is starting to happen across the country albiet it is not that big of change just yet. But new traditions take time to spread and become mans stream.
I am not saying I like it I am just saying that as far as I can tell this will be the thing of the not distant future.
I've never known a woman propose, but I've known many couples where the woman has basically told the man to propose to her (directly or indirectly), so the reality is women often start off the marraige conversation even if they don't 'pop the question', there's always a workaround!
In 2019 women not proposing is a throwback to old gender roles, but a fairly harmless one compared to a lot of others. It should be up to the couple if they want to stick with tradition or break with it. If people see a woman who proposes as 'pathetically desperate' that's their own problem.
Disagree. I remember a woman from New Zealand who asked her husband to marry her. I think in Italy, people talk about marriage and both consent instead of the man proposing like it is tradition in the U. S.
Naaaa woman have heart too. I think traditional is old. Why not stick with our hearts now days. Traditional=Required, is it required to marry same race? Is it required to have a boyfriend or gf? Is it required to be married?
Love is what shakes all ;)
Sometimes man ask woman about marriage few woman replied, "not right now we are have debts and other plans to take care but doesn't not mean I am avoiding marriage". That is when man decides not to ask just keep supporting her and help her. Next thing you know she asks years later when she feels is time.
Think, be aware, what few woman has gone through her past relationship, she fears to happen again. Why not show her what type a man and supportive you are.
As I mentioned in my reply, men with mental disorders like autism may REALLY like her but just not be able to propose. So if she does, that's just as special. We are part of that exception you speak of.
Theoretically, it makes no difference who proposes, and a woman is not desperate to be asking since she is just showing her love for him, and wants to commit which is fine.
But now I'm going to be the biggest hypocrite ever and admit that the little bitch princess inside me dreams of my boyfriend proposing to me, and it is definitely him asking me and not me asking him. I don't know why, I've never been into romantic films or books or anything... it's just how I imagine it. Worst case scenario my boyfriend wasn't even thinking of marriage I'd pull an Angelia Jolie in the Tourist type scene 'Frank, ask me to marry you.' My boyfriend would probably have a heart attack though.
I don’t think there is a problem with asking once, but in general I think most guys will take it less serious and reject it because most guys only get married on their own terms where as women tend to be more interested in the concept of marriage itself rather than the individual they are choosing to marry. I think where women get in trouble is when they continually hint drop that they want to get married, they start to nag men (most toxic thing in any relationship), and potentially put him to an ultimatum.
I couldn’t disagree more. I’m not a feminist or one of those SJWs (I’m as conservative as they come) but there is nothing wrong with a woman proposing. Why is it just the mans duty to propose. I’ve always heard women saying that they’re boyfriends of 8 years haven’t gotten them a ring yet. And the remedy is for them to propose themselves if they know he’s the one. My point is this my good man. When you know you know. It matters not who pops the question. What matters is if they are happy and in a place that means they know they are right for each other. That’s just my opinion. Have a nice day!
Disagree. She can do it if she wants. How does it make the woman any more desperate than the man, if he did it?
Personally, I wouldn't mind the idea of a woman proposing to me. The only thing I wouldn't like is having to wear the dam ring. When married I'll put up with a thin peace of metal on one if my fingers, but not before, especially when engagement rings are supposed to be fancier.
Although I gues the other addes benefit of a women proposing is that the ring is likely cheaper.
I love the fact that women ask men to marry them. I've seen celebrities do this too. Times are changing my friend, your just gonna have to accept that😊
Disagree. I ask my boyfriend to marry me all the time. He knows if I had enough money to buy him a ring I would and propose right away. I, too, am somewhat traditional, but in this case, I know what I want, I want my boyfriend to be my husband, and nothing is going to stop me from achieving g that
I don't get it. First men complain about people expecting them to buy expensive rings and shit, and now they complain about women looking dumb when proposing themselves?
Make up your minds. We will never meet your needs if you don't tell us directly what you want. As for the question, I personally disagree.
Women are more forceful about marriage and become A LOT more resentful when rejected. Out of all my friends and family not ONE man has left his girlfriend because she rejected a marriage proposal and said they should wait. My cousin's ex-girlfriend was the ONLY person I've seen who proposed and then broke up when the person said no. She proposed to my cousin in private, he said he wanted to wait an a week later she blew up destroyed his apartment and broke up with him.
For some of us, we do better if our partner leads. I'm autistic, & may really want something but not be able to get it out. Also, I can't read emotion. So for people with mental disorders like me, yes the woman proposing is such a relief & just as special.
Agree. Because in GODS kingdom when your salvation is saved by the lord JESUS , your then a part of GODS family. The man is the one through marriage and with GOD as a witness , that invites the woman to GODS family. And this is why he is head of household and the spiritual leader commanded and anointed to be leader and inviter to GODS HOLY HEAVENLY family. Sorry , females , these are a mans commanded commandments given to us with GODS anointment to be the head of household. Its GODS will so end of story.
If you're gonna talk about God then at least put up scriptures to back up your point ( which there isn't any) regarding the question or just leave God out it.
Asker... Read the BIBLE and stop being religious. Everything I just mentioned is plain and clear biblically. Religion is pegan and idolitric... Now why would I leave GOD out of it? Your not well
You didn't just loose it and call me a liar did you... what type of GOD fearing person are you? Then all through all your takes you've been lying.. true or untrue?
When I post or refer to God or the Bible, I always post clear scriptures that back up my points especially if asked. I don't twist the Bible to fit what I desire to say but simply take it as it is.
You on the other hand never post scriptures to back up your points and if you do you purposely twist it around to fit your narrative.
Proverbs 30:5-6:
Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
It all depends of the situation. What if the man just got out of a very hurtful and devastating relationship or marriage and they seem to refuse to ask their new squeeze to marry them? What if you're getting to be old, and all of the traditions you once held dear are thrown out the door? If I were a little reserved to ask a woman to marry me in my old age, I don't think it would be too forward if she asked me to marry her.
Again, the problem is that women are way more forceful about marriage and women are much more likely to break up with a guy over a rejected marriage proposal. Men who are told "we should wait" normally don't leave their girlfriends. I personally have NEVER seen a guy break up over a marriage proposal but have seen women propose and then either freak out or break up with the guy when he doesn't want to get married.
Neither my wife nor I proposed. It was our friends who suggested we get married. That was 14 years ago. She's really shy and I'm autistic, so it's hard to say whether or not either of us would have. Maybe that's why they proposed for us.
They proposed on our behalf, and we both said yes. Definitely an abnormal situation, but for very abnormal people maybe it was needed. Whatever works best for the couple is all that matters.
I dont think its desperate at all, I think there are certain dynamics where the guy may not be comfortable asking so she does it to satisfy both of them. Or if the woman is just naturally the more dominant person in the relationship it may just feel natural for her to ask even more natural than the man
I didn't think about that, one big area of stress a lot of guys go through is "the ring" If the woman asks, that financial and emotional burden is gone.
Disagree. I don't see anything wrong if a woman asks a man to marry her, but instead i see it as a sign of true love, courage and devotion. It surely can be awkward as it deviates from traditions and I think its kind of cool.
That’s offering yourself on a silver platter to a man. I can’t imagine anything else more or putting. Women are the PRIZE. It’s in our biology to be the receiver not giver. If there has been previous talk about marriage, why can’t the man propose? Unless he’s taking on the role of the woman and feels comfortable with it in which case I wouldn’t even want that ‘’man”
We aren't superman you know. And that biology quote you made is not true. Lots of women give instead of recieve.
I'm the man who would make the first move, but if the woman did, I could care less about what others thought because it just shows her willingness to keep me as I've been constantly proving to her.
Proposing isn't putting oneself on a silver platter, it is a show of affirmation and commitment.
You're over here talking about silver platters lol. If the guy truly loves you, none of that matters. You're thinking about this all wrong. Don't get married any time soon with that way of thinking. I'd feel sorry for the guy.
I'm a pretty open minded person that looks at other people's perspectives as well as my own... so I'm gonna say that it depends on the person... I definitely wouldn't propose to my boyfriend as I'm pretty old fashioned person and like the man to make the move. As in my own personal opinion it just looks wrong... I'm not against it either and I'm sure there are some guys out there that would rather if the girl made the move
@DellBell I totally respect your beliefs and those values, and I feel similar, in many ways!! But how long will you wait for him to propose, before you think maybe he won't, or you just decide to ask him, maybe?
You only think its desperate because you've been brainwashed by traditional society. A woman falls in love too and she wants to marry too. Don't think its only men who want to marry.
@toastygoblins Divorce rates have been higher than old society because nowadays marriage is not about commitment but passion. Marriage is not fun, rainbows and unicorns, its about sticking together even when things aren't exciting and hot anymore. Some folks even fall in and out of love in marriages but they stick together.
A woman asking a man to marry her would take away all her power. Women who propose are forcing the man into marriage because a man who WANTS to marry a woman WILL marry a woman.
@Gisellebabe you can’t force anyone to marry you if you’re asking them for a yes or no. a man won’t promise to marry a woman he doesn’t want to. He understands it’s a choice
He understands that he has become the woman in the partnership. No proper “man” will ever allow a woman to need to propose to him in the first place. Get that in your head.
@Gisellebabe Don't tell me I'm the one who is crazy when you think asking a man to marry you is called forcing a man to marry you. You're the one who doesn't make any sense on here. Women love too. Women want to MARRY too. Don't think that its only men who love and marry. Often times, the woman brings up marriage FIRST. Then the guy goes to get the ring to propose. Just because he proposed, it doesn't mean the woman didn't ask for it first.
@Gisellebabe Waiting for men to approach you. Not asking out cute guys, but rather to hope that he will notice you one day. Not asking to marry the man you want but rather waiting forever hoping that he will propose one day, is not chasing the life you want. You will only end up dying miserable. If you want it, go for it.
You are crazy. Period. A man who is comfortable to ALLOW his woman to propose to HIM is either not committed enough to start with or gay. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t want to be with a “man” like that. Nobody has said women don’t want to get married and it’s common for women to being up the idea of marriage, however if the man still cannot and will not take the hint and waits for his woman to propose then that shows he isn’t marriage material anyway. So to sum up, a proper “man” will propose to the woman he wants to marry or in the case that his woman “wants to marry too” then he will take the hint and STILL FUCKING PROPOSE. Get that into your naive head.
Asking “a cute guy out” is not the same thing as proposing to him you silly little girl. I “approached” my boyfriend and now you think I would ask him to marry me because it’s “going for the life I want”? You are very deluded my dear or you don’t know your worth as a woman yet. Grow a little first and then come back in a few years and see if your opinion has changed or not
@Gisellebabe I'm sorry but men aren't the ones who always think about marriage first. In fact, women are more obsessed about getting married than men. Just because you didn't think about marriage first, it doesn't mean you aren't a man. Its not about the how fast you think about marriage, that defines you. It doesn't make any sense. And from my experience, the woman is often the first ones to think about marriage. She mentions it to the guy and then he proposes.
I think you're just the product of brainwashed society where women should never approach a man, never talk to a man unless he talks to her, only men should buy gifts for the woman. Yea, well guess what? If you keep waiting around like that, you're gonna just be miserable. Why would I wait years for a man to propose when I can just tell him that I want to get married or propose myself? why would wait forever for a cute guy to talk to me? what if he never notices me? what if he never talks to me because he never knew I liked him? This is really not chasing what you want in life. And at the end, you're just gonna be miserable because the cute guy most likely would never talk to you. You spent years dating a guy who never proposed.
@Gisellebabe "Grow a little first and then come back in a few years and see if your opinion has changed or not "
It is not worth it to continue dating a man for years and not know if he will ever propose. Because at the end of the day, you're wasting time. there's nothing wrong with bringing up marriage or proposing. You will just save years of worrying over long nights over if he will propose.
@Gisellebabe I very feminine. I let the man lead in the relationship. he's the one who initiates kisses, hugs, plans about places he can take me to on dates. But if there is a place that I really wanna go, I let him know so we can enjoy it together. Being feminine doesn't mean depriving yourself of the right to enjoy life. And if I really really wanted to get married, I let him know so that he can buy the ring. When you're not speaking out about what you want, your man doesn't know how to serve you. A man who loves you only wants you to be happy and enjoy life. You're a human being, not a dummy.
@Gisellebabe There’s nothing “womanish” about a man saying “yes” after being proposed to, you irrational cunt.. he can agree to take the offer or leave it.. If he had turned her down, what then? Because he genuinely didn’t love her? Or would that somehow make him more than less of a “man” so to speak? By being a rejecting her offer? Being an asshole is the natural male essence? You’re really just subconsciously antagonizing men here lol.
You’re literally implying that women are only worth anything if they remain stagnant and spend their entire lives waiting for Mr. perfect to come sweep them off their feet and whisper sweet nothings into their ear and nothing else. It really doesn’t matter which side proposes, as long as they remain committed and their vows are sincere, in which—nothing is said in vain.
But, yikes.. a lot of internalized misogyny here on your end. Good luck finding any female friends with that mentality.
Honestly we have bigger issue to worry about than a woman asking a man to marry her. Everyone talks about equal rights and equality among man and woman, so I don't see why it would be wrong for a woman to ask a man to marry her.
There is NOTHING equal about men and women! We don’t get paid the same, we don’t have the same physical strength to protect ourselves, we deal with periods and childbirth.. how on earth are we the same as men please? Explain that to me? It’s bad enough that this is a man’s world, now they want to enjoy the benefits of a RECEIVING nature? Haha
I mean, I think marriage should be fully talked about beforehand to prevent buying a ring and getting a no. If a girl wants to ask then let her and same with a guy, there is nothing wrong with it either way.
I certainly don't want my partner asking me to marry her, its something I definitely want to do. Majority of women want men to do the asking as well. Its nothing to do with tradition or chivalry, its just something I desire to do and nothing I want my partner doing.
I personally wouldn't but I'm old-fashioned and I would be offended if I had to be the one to propose lol. If other couples feel that that works for them, hey that's great.
I would think so too a man's love to be married is something a women can't top unless she is married and the man is showing Love in the correct manner. Married while being cheated on means a lot SHOWS a lot tells a lot like no self respect and looking for (fake) security
m anti traditional for the most part, but I think a woman asking a man to marry her makes her look pathetically desperate in my opinion.
And i think thats complete opposite - i wouldn't mind if girls started proposing to her boyfriends i find it completly ok
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How beta can you be to accept a woman proposing to you? Might as well get her a strapon so she can fuck you in the ass as well. So the next morning you can take care of the children and cook while she's off at work.
The fuck is going on? How can girls enjoy sissy ass men like this? Guess they never had a good rough fucking from a powerful man that would show them how important and attractive it is for a man to be in control.
Proposing to a man you love will not make the woman desperate because she is just showing how she loves the man and how she is ready to become his family... Where already in the 20th century where everything seems possible...
If that were the case, wouldn't that also make men pitifully desperate, too?
We live in a world where women can do just about anything men were only ever expected to do. I've seen many guys seeking women who make the first move. I've heard men, personally, as me to make the "first move" every once in a while.
@JackSmy she’s saying that if proposing would make a woman desperate, then it would also make a man “desperate”. However, it’s in a man’s biology to GIVE and a woman is meant to RECEIVE.
I don't necessarily have a problem with it. I would probably be the one to make the marriage proposal, though, because I'm more of an assertive person in general. But if she wanted to make the first contact or introduction that wouldn't phase me at all.
I’m asking you to think about what you are saying, that means.. follow it through
if it is to please her, then it isn’t pleasing to him.
In which case he doesn’t really want to do it.
so Her asking him or him asking her.. either way it isn’t something he genuinely wants..
You say her asking him means he dues don’t really want it.. yet exciting to you he dues don’t really want it anyway
In that case, why would it matter one way or the other who asks?
Anyhow actual marriage not the proposal but actually BEING married.. it is a huge deal. And it is really important to a lot of men and women.
Many guys plan to marry from childhood on and see just waiting til they meet the right girl.. I don’t think adult men will he so foolish and weak as to commit to marriage unless they really want to And honestly those who do it that way shouldn’t marry in the first place. they will treat their wife like she owes him something just for marrying her even though marriage is a sacrifice for both.. or, he will grow resentful and leave.
It isn’t like watching a movie you don’t like just to make your partner happy. it’s a life. No one sane dues it just to be “nice”. It just doesn’t happen. Not in reality.
I've known a couple of situations, where if the woman had not asked him to marry her, they probably never would have been married. But in general, the guy needs to do the asking.
It's 2019. How is that desperate as opposed to a man proposing? It's better to be honest about what you want instead of waiting around for something that turns out may never come.
He is not forced. Marriage is a decision. You don’t respect women and believe they are children And men only want to marry children bc they are deep down at heart all Pedophiles- fair enough.
But that Doesn’t mean men lack agency bc they were asked a question. When a woman is asked she likewise has a decision to make.
Everyone marrying us on full control over whether they marry. The belief that a women is only a real woman if age gives up her power to men is sick.
Saying fir a woman to act ok her own interest, takes AWAY her power is a lie women have been stuffed with for mich of history... how convenient for those who want to control them. 🙄
Nobody is forcing him to say yes. Same way nobody is forcing her. Why should she wait and wait and wait? And wonder if he'll ever propose? Why does he get to decide when something that big happens just because he's the man?
Right? It's not even like a proposal has to be done on the knees and in front of a public display. She doesn't even have to propose to me, she can just allude to it, if it's what she really wants. Why should she HAVE to wait for me? It'd still feel better if we're not limiting our relationship to traditions that serves no real purpose in it. To me, a lot of these gender roles are starting to make less sense in the modern day. I still believe in protecting her and defending her from harm in any way. Social, physical, spiritual, anything. lol If we have children, we both protect them and each other the best way we can.
I am indifferent to this. Further, I do not feel she is being desperate either. Long ago, a woman did propose to me. I told her no - which frankly surprised her. I had my reasons. At any rate, I did not feel she was being desperate.
Your comment proves my theory. Thank you! I said if a man hasn’t proposed yet then it means he does NOT want marriage, otherwise he would’ve already proposed.
No... it didn't prove your theory. I had proposed a year into the relationship. She told me no. Something about me being too young to know what love is and so on - she was older and the only our age difference was ever brought up. We didn't split up over that, but over time I realized how much she enjoyed arguing (she said I am good at it) which I never cared for, so when she asked and I said no... she asked me, why? "Because you are an argumentative pain in the ass." She liked my answer and was fine with it. There was more, I just didn't say it. Anyway, my comment did not prove your theory since I did propose at one point.
And a man proposing to a woman looks pathetically foolish. Marriage is outdated. Women don't need men to take care of them, and men don't need women to take care of us. If you need a piece of paper from the government to make you feel secure, you shouldn't be married at all.
in my opinion a woman should never ask a man out or to marry her for he will never let her live that down ! especially when the marriage ends in divorce ! it is not lady like for a lady to make the first move on a man either ! Thanks
Not to be rude but there's people who have been in relationship for more than 10 years and the guys never asked their hand in marriage so I can understand why some women would do it.
If she loves him that much then of course. Why would it be desperate? Is every man who proposes desperate? No they want to spend the rest of their life with their partner.
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