Would you still support marriage if divorce was prohibited or illegal?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yes

No

I don't care

[Zack-Bann]

Where I come from divorce remains to this day hard to acquire and very shameful socially


People stay happily married for a long time because of that


You might think they’re stuck and can’t get out but really is: when you’re incentivized to stay and discouraged to leave you tend to try harder and put effort into the marriage which improves the quality


In most western countries like the one I live in now. People don’t even give a second chance over a trivial matter and are quick to end a relationships and run away from any real worthwhile connection.


So yes. I would definitely rather have divorce be harder to get and reserved for extreme situations such as relationships that are harmful and dangerous

[Miristheiss]

The only thing I have against marriage is the divorce laws, how easy it is to get a divorce, cheaters can still get 50% of assets they did not produce and get alimony.

I'm not a fan of the state overseeing relationships or break ups.

[Anonymous]

Hello no I'm not going to stay married to someone who beats the shit out of me! And let's his dad try to rape me. I know they are trying to fucking do this though and make it to where you HAVE to live with them and have babies or get executed or go to jail, we are becoming communist/socialist. They want everyone 16 and up married with at least 4 babies. They are going to criminalized condoms and birth control. They want complete control and all of us barefoot, pregnant looking out the window wanting to shoot ourselves. The world is shit and life sucks!

[Opinion Owner]

I don't care what "religion" Says either, all religion is is a form of control

[Vesuvius87]

Honestly, no one needs religion and believing in a god isn't necessarily either. Non-religious marriages can be just as great.

[Opinion Owner]

Thats true you dont need religion for marraige either, ans not all marriages are bad. But the ones that are that involve abuse and what not should have the right to divorce.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Why would you marry a wife beater to begin with?
Why are people not more careful and patient with who they select?

[Opinion Owner]

Sometimes the abuse doesn't happen until AFTER you get married

[Opinion Owner]

Sometimes the person decieves you into you believing they are a good person then they turn on you.

[Opinion Owner]

So being "careful" doesent always work

[Opinion Owner]

Its also acceptable when their dad tries to rape you, you tell him and he laughs! So anyone telling me to remarry him, can fuck off.

Drop the mic

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you know, that's exactly why most men dont even wanna get married. Because the divorce just dont favor them.

[Opinion Owner]

So i should favor being beaten and raped? Guess this is Pakistan.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then no one's forcing you to get married. If you're talking about Pakistan, im not specifying any countried so im talking about the world on average

[TheSpaceGnome]

Sorry but that kind of person has red flags you would see before marrying them, provided you waited several years after befriending them to marry.
No one is THAT good at deception.

[SweetJoyGirl]

Mm…that is a deep question. 🙆🏾‍♀️

[SweetJoyGirl]

Thank you for the MHO. 💜💜💜

[AviatorTom]

This is a nonsensical question. There must always be a way to get out of things if you can get into them.

To paraphrase Captain Kirk, "There is no such thing as a no-win situation"

Besides, divorce is a huge moneymaker for lawyers. It would never be made illegal.

[Vesuvius87]

What about if either the husband or wife are really getting abused? What about infidelity? I believe abuse (regardless of the gender) and infidelity should be valid grounds for divorce.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then nobody is forcing you to get married. And that's exactly why most guys these days don't want to get married

[Vesuvius87]

I'm already married since Sept 24, 2024. I was just pointing out your hypothetical question, which would be a radical extreme. I believe only abuse and infidelity should be treated with a divorce. The rest can be worked out. Otherwise I'm all for commitment till the end.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then I feel bad for your husband not knowing how the family court works. It's also not impossible to make a commitment without the involvement of the government.

[Vesuvius87]

Do you have a particular bad experience that you're already thinking about family court? Meanwhile I'm thinking about welcoming our baby boy with a due date of June 8-12th. If it helps out, I'm Latina and many of us are into fully commitment.
Are you trying to say that a verbal commitment ceremony bounded by just words and an imaginary being watching over you (aka nonsense and make-believe wedding simulation) is the same as an actual wedding that includes acquiring the man's last name?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

No and even if I say yes, that's still an anecdote that doesn't make up the average. The further elaborate more reasons why, here it is https://youtu.be/zO9nUBazWEg?si=ixi_UriMU9qffdVA and your race has nothing to do with it. It's just called being smart. I see you'd like to overlook every other efforts your guy do but only make marriage and his last name matter. So if you like to consider that an imaginary commitment then that's nonsense. Because if you believe that it is selfish for guys not to commit, then why aren't you considered selfish for demanding such commitment? You won't even ask yourself that despite all the risk your guy is willing to take. Because you're afraid of the risk of getting abused while not married or just have your time wasted, a girl can also do that without getting married. It still takes two tango. But I'm like getting married, it's one sided.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

*but unlike getting married, It's once I did due to the divorce.

[Vesuvius87]

Perhaps the reason those marriages fail is because the man didn't do a vetting process himself. That can be done during the first year of dating. It doesn't take 5 years to know someone. To be fair, I won't totally blame him. There some women that really think getting marrying is about feeling being infatuated with the man (aka the initial ''falling in love stage', fantasizing about them 24/7'), where they feel butterflies in the stomach and need constant attention. Marriage is more than just attraction and passion. If they only got married because of the passion that's a wrong reason to get married. You have to be okay with the partner's flaws, know they're not perfect and work as a team with the responsibilities. That's what commitment is about and some are lacking that. It's sad.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you're acting like it's impossible for anyone to advantage of divorce even if they have known each other for 5 years. The fact that you still have that option still remains a risky choice. But now you see, you're ironically making what ifs. Even if you know your husband for more than 5 years, you're still in for opposing divorce being illegal when you're not even forced to get married yet alone given 5 years to know that guy. And if you think it's not a commitment if guys refuse to get married as you ignore his efforts, why not think demanding marriage is a sign of insecurity? Because anyone can also say that about girls demanding marriage.

[Vesuvius87]

Not all of us are users. I'm actually grateful to have my husband in my life. Acquiring his last name (even though it's not mandatory nowadays) is really out of tradition as well as love and respect for him.
I actually know what's it like getting scammed and used (I never got my money back) as a commodity. This was a legitimate sociopath I've dealth with a long while back, way before meeting my husband. To be honest, if I wanted to I could've gotten him deported since he lied about his year of birth on his application too. That was in my hands. Yet, that would be evil and I would be messing with the family, whom have nothing to do with it. I don't really have that cruelty to ruin someone's life. So this person became blocked and non-existent.
No, it's not commitment if someone claims you're the love of their love but won't proceed with marriage. Then why bother calling them the love of your life? That's an oxymoron. I still believe in the tradition of having children within marriage and them having the father's last name as legacy. I didn't want children out of wedlock.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If that is what you believe then there really is no reason for you to believe that divorce shouldn't be illegal. Yes scamming exists and it can be anything but most people who would scam anyone are those random people that you just met for a week. That's like I've said you have a whole 5 years to prepare even more than 5 years if it's needed. And if you believe that it's an oxymoron for someone to make a commitment without marriage, that is just your own belief and you're basing it with traditions. Anyone can also say the same thing especially for women demanding marriage meaning she lacks trust because of the fact that she can just divorce without any big consequences while saying he is the love of her life is also an oxymoron based on the fact that's happening today about divorce as the article I have presented to you has way more upvotes and views than you think. And no I'm not saying that the video is correct because of that but everything he said is really making sense. The main reason why you guys are avoiding marriages because of the divorce benefit you get.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It's also ironic when you want tradition what you support marriage so much when divorce was also traditionally prohibited. So it goes to show just don't really want the tradition. You're just choosing what favors you.

[Vesuvius87]

There are exceptions to the rule, though it's generally a last resort. Generally a marriage is a lifetime commitment and that's it. That means there shouldn't be abuse nor infidelity. Back then, a woman couldn't divorce a cheating, abusive husband.
My own paternal grandma (long deceased) used to get hit in her marriage and got cheated on too. Not just cheated on but he had an affair child (my father's deceased half-sister) with someone my grandma onced considered a friend. That was worth a divorce. That's an exceptional case. Some men like him back then took advantage too. That wasn't a good husband at all. Meanwhile she was loyal. She deserved someone loyal in return, someone that isn't abusive.

[Vesuvius87]

Can you care to explain how is it a commitment if they just live together and don't get married? I've never moved in with a boyfriend. I've noticed that's been a trend for a while now. It's becoming common even in Latin countries too, to just live with a boyfriend for years. Why is that a commitment? I would call it a long-term relationship but commitment seems like too much of a big word to me.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Usually people make exceptions if the rules dont favor them. If you like to say that marriage is a lifetime commitment then there should be no divorce. If one turns abusive, then that's not the government's or anyone's fault they took such hasty risk to marry someone. To make commitment without marriage is easy. They can make their own personal promises to each other to never leave each other or even have their own wedding celebrations inviting their own families to get acquainted with each other without the government involving their life. So why do you think that's not commitment? If you don't see how that is commitment then you're not really going for commitment but rather just that title and the label of getting married.

[Vesuvius87]

I have to admit cohabitation (instead of marriage) is a foreign concept to me. Unless the woman is ok with never getting married and have children out of wedlock, the man has to be clear from the start about moving in together without ever expecting a proposal. Then they would both have to be on the same page. She has to be ok with that too and not just agree to please him.
Making your own personal promises to each other but remaining unmarried won't be enough if one of them were to have an accident or is treated for an illness and your partner can't make medical decisions on your behalf. The ''but what about our verbal, personal, declaration of love'' won't mean anything to the hospital. The person's family can easily take over and ban you from visiting them at the hospital.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yeah it's never enough if you like to think of it that way. It's very ironic now that you're full of what ifs and also dismissing the guy's point of view about marriage. Yeah that's another what if scenario but that happens to both equally at least. Unlike the divorce, the girl gets 1/3 of the money, the house and the kids favoring women so much.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Because decision making is not risk proof. I just my partner or me not being able to see each other in the hospital than to have the risk of losing everything in marriage because divorce is legal. Pretty much most guys would think the same way.

[Vesuvius87]

I'm not a lawyer nor expert on these things but aren't there prenups by now? You can always request her to sign a prenup and if she has nothing to hide, she'll do it.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That can work on theory but knowing the amount of bias court, she can easily frame and play the victim to win the custody and that can even happen to unmarried couples. The sympathy gap had been studied so many time. As for you who's really in for marriage and even wanted divorce legalized, would you still support marriage if the bias was actually the other way around? I mean you want to support the legalization of divorce "just in case" but lets say it's the girls who will face the biases and lose everything even if she's the victim. Would you still support marriage or just support the legalization of divorce?

[Vesuvius87]

I would still support marriage as a lifetime commitment and public recognition, for it's real meaning. A vetting process would still be done during the dating stage and I would simply request a prenup. I always try to remember there are good people out there. It's not wise to overgeneralize and think everyone will play you dirty.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It's really easy for anyone to say that when they're not really the ones who are going to face those. Reality can be a pain sometimes and you can't always expect those miracles to happen all the time. It's only now that you feel reassured and sure about your decision we're at the beginning you speculated the worst about a divorceless marriage.

[Vesuvius87]

It's not about speculating the worst but simply stating there are rare exceptions to every rule, even when it comes to going over the speeding limit because you have to take a family member that's bleeding profusely to the ER and it's a super urgent.
I don't agree with incentives just for the sake of getting bored and wanting a divorce. Honestly they don't deserve a single penny for that. If someone is a legitimate victim of abuse, the abuser deserves no sympathy at all. In that case, the abuser doesn't even deserve to see their kids since they're dangerous to both their spouse and kids and they're a horrible person.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then your reasoning to opposing the illegalization of divorce is also why guys nowadays are avoiding marriage and has nothing to do with being selfish and not committed because of those what if you also like to speculate to happen. A lot of us are wishing that the family court isn't that biased but the only solution for men to do is just to not get married. If you see those guys as red flag then it's thesame for girls demanding marriage being a red flag

[msc545]

I don't support marriage because women use it as a way of getting money or keeping children or gaining advantages for themselves. If you outlawed divorce. I think fewer women would be interested in getting married, but the ones that did get married would continue to figure out ways to extract money from men and to keep men's children away from them unless they wanted free babysitters. Marriage. Basically, at this point at least in the United States is a way for women to take advantage of men and men know that and most men are not getting married anymore except the ones that are a major denial.

[purplepoppy]

No. A woman should be free to walk away from a violent or abusive husband. She shouldn't be trapped to take the beatings because some religious fuckwit says so.

[TallAnon]

And vice versa

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If only the family courts aren't biased. Even if she isn't the victim, the court will still see her as one also even if the guy is the victim.

[MisfitsLover92]

I agree 👍 💯

[Sirenboobzilla]

No, I wouldn't. People tend to change over time. Sometimes that change is negative and the 2 become incompatible. It's wrong to force both people to stay together when 1 or both clearly don't wish to be.

[YessieRooo314]

So true, well said.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And that's exactly why men don't wanna get married since the divorce just makes it worse for them.

[Sirenboobzilla]

I don't see where in my response I made it worse for men. Pretty sure I made my response from a neutral stance

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And I never said men have it worse. I'm just leaving the fact since lots of girls complain about men not getting married so I made a what if question.

[Anonymous]

In the old days you could divorce but it was difficult and shameful. Certainly not something you'd want to do under normal circumstances. But an absolute ban seems extreme and I would not think workable in real terms.

It would be great if the state supported marriage with obvious reasons to be together, and supported child care in a meaningful fashion.

[dustybiker2]

Forced abusive relationships?
Men emotionally abused by woman.
Woman physically abused in front of their children?

These are things that would get people to willingly leave a country.

[alice55]

Yes I would. I"m Catholic and in the Catholic religion there's no divorce, meaning that even if you get a divorce (by your country law) in front of god you'll always be considered as married.

[MisfitsLover92]

That's stupid but umm Okey doky I think you guys should have start your own little country and people who believe that bullshit can go live there, then then we can keep rocking in the free world.

[alice55]

@MisfitsLover92 how is that stupid? There s nothing stupid in it … and we live well in free country as country allow any person to chose and practices their religion freely. And our own Little countries got flooded by atheist so we re not the one who need to leave …

[CheeseMonster]

I would still support right to marriage and I would still support right to divorce. If either one became illegal it would not change my views, although it would maybe swap the priority.

[Danielle93]

Marriage by default should be a permanent commitment. Though divorce has to be available for cases of infidelity and legitimate abuse.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Support yea, would I marry, probably not unless I find the hardest most reliable woman I can possibly find, I think it will wisen people's decision making as well in some ways.

[Ariesman81]

It's not recognized in the Philippines. Doesn't stop anyone though.

And there is a part of marriage that states "til death do us part". But just know... breaking marriage vows may seem easy, but they have lasting consequences.

[TheSpaceGnome]

What do you mean by "support"?

I'd still get married, but other people's marriages don't need my support to exist.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Personally I think divorce is something that only happens when you suck at picking a partner.
Maybe not pick someone you don't love.

[DrPepper12]

There's no need to support monogamous marriage now. It's a strange little anachronism whose time has come and gone.

[Anonymous]

I would not support that because there are scenarios when divorce is warranted.

What I would support is changing the laws so they don't incentive women to divorce, which is destroying marriage.

[oldpigg]

I'm not interested in getting married anyway.

[TonyMetal___86]

Yes i do support it because marriage should last forvever except for cheating or physical assault

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Even if they cheat, no one can rewrite the marriage papers

[TonyMetal___86]

Cheating is not acceptible even in the books of god, it's up to you if your forgive them or not but this saying didn't come out of nowhere "a cheater is always a cheater"

[Anonymous]

Yes, because marriage in the right setting with two loving and willing partners is going to last forever.

[GAGsucksballs89170]

I don't support marriage at all

It's not necessary to have

[MikeTheGreek1979]

No, then the murder rate would go up. People better sleep with one eye open.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

What does that have to do with it? Implying their man/woman will kill their spouse to be a widow. But nobody is forced to be married.

[MikeTheGreek1979]

Well, if there's no divorce. Mudder is the only way out.

[jackramada]

Why should divorce be prohibited or illegal?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It's abused for it's one-sided benifits and marriage is supposed to be a comment

[jackramada]

Divorce is not prohibited or illegal, but if it were, I would not consider marriage.

[Priya99999]

Is a piece of paper worth more than your free will?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Would you ask thesame if divorce was legal?

[Anonymous]

Meh, it doesn't matter, I'm single, always have been, no girl wants me, so what can I say?

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Marriage, till death will tear us apart.