btw. 50% of homeless Women come from physically abusive relationships. that should help you understand.
its also been shown men do not innately lack empathy, nor are they divorced from their feelings. if a person doesn't talk about something it doesn't mean they don't understand it.
anyways I don't know where all these women get the idea guys don't express their feelings. I've never known any guy to not doit one way or another.
I don't see any difference between men I know and women I know. there are some who discuss problems. some who dont. the ones who don't generally are very passive aggressive, or aggressive aggressive. that's not 'not sharing feelings;. its just not doing it in a respectful comprehensible coherent manner. and its not limited to men.
I grew up with my dad. we always talked about everything extensively and respectfully. his male and female friends were very similar. my brothers are ver good at communicating and sure not confused by themselves. my uncle is very expressive. my male cousins as well. my sisters husband. my cousins bf.
people attract similar people. so if you notice everyone you know fitting into a certain behavioral pattern.. it says a lot about yourself. not so much about the whole world.
as for my guess as to why women leave. well I don't plan to ever marry so I can't fully relate to being there in the first plce, as marriage is very much based on the wife dong things for the guy.
clean the house have his kids make him dinner get a supplimental job in the side. he gets a prostitute. a baby maker, a cook. and a maid. he lucks out. what does she get. someone telling her what to do. because he's a man and she's a woman.
this is why men are more intersted in marriage. they get to keep what they have and gain a lot more. women have to sacrifice or go crazy from ver extending themselves. not because they can't work and have kids. there's just not enough support. she doesn't get help.
oh and if a guy cheats, then they divorce well you can't exactly say he didn't 'initiate' the divorce. so the numbers are distorted.
Last time I checked. its only illegal to rape your wife in ten states. in north America. they call it domestic affairs. that's a good enough reason for me to not get married. a lot of women may not know their husband is abusive before hand. they find out. they leave.
being abusive. cheating. being an a**hole. that's not 'not initiating' divorce. that's pushing for it, in an aggressive but cowardly way.
and again. women are not wanting to mary so badly in the first place. a handful perhaps. but you're exploiting the significance of that handful. today many women do not want marriage. things are changing. making a viable living doing something you have a passion for. definitely trumps being on call for sex. a cook. a babysitter. a maid. even if he 'loves' you. for now. till you get older.33 Reply- +1 y
actually, studies show women are significantly more interested in getting married then men.
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Besides the "more men want to get married" thing, this is excellent. I find that men are perfectly capable of communicating well. I love how in previous relationships, we labeled it as "miscommunication" if the guy was being manipulative, hurtful, using guilt trips, etc. Then I tried to be as "fair" as possible to fix things by going overboard in pleasing him and sacrificing who I was. Terrible. I'm never accepting the "miscommunication" excuse again.
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I want to find a life partner, but I'm not sure if I want to be married, either. The marital rape statistic you said scares me, not to mention I would want a prenup, and there would be a ton of arguing over that. I like my last name and don't want to take anyone else's either.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 ylol that's a really loaded question. I'm going to with the simplest answer for now.
women are said, psychologically, to be more in touch with their feelings and understanding/articulate about them, while men, GENERALLY, especially in this society, don't understand their feelings as well and won't articulate them the same way. if this is true, you can simply conclude that women are far more likely to think over their misery in a conscious way and truly explore their pain, talk about their pain, and realize their unhappiness and feel compelled to act to change that. even when they don't act on the divorce, a woman may perceive misery and unhappiness in a marriage to a more devastating degree and feel more hopeless. men may gloss over any perception of unhappiness with that sense of duty ingrained in them in our society, that "tough it out, deal with it and shut up" message that men are fed from an early age. men really aren't taught to have the courage to deal with their emotions in a mature way, to confront things like this. I've noticed that a lot of men find talking about their feelings to be beneath them, which is incredibly unhealthy and psychologically damaging, imo, but that's how it is. if you're taught to bottle up your emotions and be tough, you're probably not going to say "im miserable, I hate this, and I f***ing want OUT!"
My parents marriage is like that. My father never speaks a word about their relationship to me, but my mother does. I think she wants me to understand if anything happens or she wants me to see things as they are, even though she insists that while my dad isn't a great husband, he's a great father and she doesn't want me to feel any kind of negative way toward him. but she is miserable, very very very unhappy. my dad can't seem to be mature in the conversations they do have, he's incredibly immature and has this deeply insecure streak that I had never realized until I got older. When I was a kid hearing them argue, and perceiving the unhappiness even then, I thought it was my mom who was crazy and that was it. the insecurity I'm talking about is nothing minor, its the kind of insecurity that takes root in your mind and manifests for years and years, its a feeling of inadequacy. he smiles all the time, my dad has always been the friendly face, the solid, strong support in our lives. he'd never show me his pain on purpose, he's not brave enough. the times I have seen it have been by mistake. he shows his problem unintentionally usually through very nasty comments, jealousy, and being possessive. what bothers me most is that his comfort is my mothers misery. any efforts she makes to improve her life are met with resistance and drama from him. he likes when she gives up and settles in her unhappiness. that's what bothers me the most. I don't think things can get better between them.024 Reply
Opinion Owner+1 ymy mom and I have talked about divorce a few times. she's so tired of her life and she feels trapped. I remember asking her if she thinks she would be happier with a divorce and she said that she knows she would be much happier and free to start living life, but she doesn't think my father could survive it and she started crying. I suggested couples counseling and she said that she didn't think he would go for it and she thinks that would be more hurtful for him than the divorce.
Opinion Owner+1 yshe said she didn't want him to be hurt anymore than he already is, from all those feelings of inadequacy, from all the pain that she knows he locks up inside. she respects him as a man and as a great father, but this relationship isn't helathy. my mom is emotionally stronger than my father though.
Opinion Owner+1 yand because she doesn't believe he could survive a divorce (I honestly don't know if he would either, he's so bottled up emotionally, those are the people you have to worry about breaking the most) she's willing to just wallow in this misery basically. and I can't f***ing stand it. I hate hearing her talk, saying that she's tired of living, that nothing good seems to come to her and then on top of that being trapped in a marriage like this. She can't act on her own happiness because she cares too much.
Opinion Owner+1 yI'm hard on her sometimes, saying she's afraid to leave, and there's comfort in consistency, and while that may be true, I don't believe that's the issue for the most part. its because she knows/fears that she may be right about how he would handle the divorce. staying in a marriage to protect someones feelings isn't healthy but its like, what would happen if you did it? should you just live the rest of your life out in misery? its a personal call.
Opinion Owner+1 yAll I can do is offer pep talks and encouraging words. I feel helpless and I'm not even in the sh*t. only good that can come to me from all this is understanding what marriage and relationships are, and it definitely affects my perspective on them.
so that's my $0.02. :)
Asker+1 yThank you for your story. It shows how real lives are difficult. I would like to react to something you said "My father has always been the friendly face, the solid, strong support in our lives". And as a man I'll tell you something that I feel very strongly, men are taken for granted. All we provide is not truly appreciated. We bust our asses all day long to support our families. What do a lot of men get when they get home? A wife that immediately wants to talk etc...
Asker+1 yAlso, you side strongly with your mom because she opens up to you and you feel her pain. But, make no mistake there are always two sides to any story. And I can tell you, your view are strongly biased right now, because you don't grasp your dad's perspective. Why is your mom so unhappy? Is it really all your father's fault? Why can't she have a happy life by herself? Not only I don't feel your dad gets any credit for what he provides. He seems to be made responsible of all the wrongs...
Opinion Owner+1 yWell that's the point, she wants a happy life by herself but my mom constantly lives to help other people, always, and she has always been that way. everyone in our family is always asking for a handout from her, she has constant drama from family, from her job, and then she comes home to drama from her husband. she's unhappy for a lot of reasons, but this marriage keeps her from being able to move on. my dad isn't interested in change. he's more th type who can be comfortable with the bare minimum
Opinion Owner+1 yMy mom wants more from life than she has now. They're mismatched for that reason and it doesn't matter who's "fault "it is. I don't really blame anyone for everything, that's your own perception of things and you're entitled to it. My dad is has a lot of issues. so does my mom. I think they should get a divorce because I don't think they are right for each other.
Opinion Owner+1 yif things are to the point where you can't communicate about your feelings about each other and conflict resolution is never an option, instead you opt for hurtful nasty comments and you aren't very supportive or encouraging in what the other person wants, and especially if you want different things from life then you should not be together. the only reason they are together is because of me, and now my cousins because my mom took in her sisters kids, and because my mom is afraid of hurting him.
Opinion Owner+1 yDo you really feel like that is a healthy basis for a relationship? Does that seem like you're together for the right reasons? They love each other in some bizarre way, but love isn't enough. and theyre definitely not in love anymore. They've also been together for way too long, since they were 16 and my dad was my moms first and only boyfriend. I don't agree with that decision but that's how they were.
Opinion Owner+1 yIf there's no respect, there's no trust, no emotional support or connection, no encouragement and no happiness, and no willingness to change...what the hell are you still together for? I've already told you why but I'm just saying. I don't think I would stay, but I'm also not my mother. She has lived her life constantly being the one who helps people, who supports them. she's no saint. she's got a short fuse, a sharp tongue, and she doesn't listen half the time
Opinion Owner+1 ybut she's tired of helping people, of sacrificing her happiness for other people. And yes, its true, that obviously I can understand her side more because my dad doesn't talk to me about real sh*t, but I definitely do not blame my dad for everything on earth. I don't think its true that its the only reason I think they should not be together. I just explained why. I can't picture myself in a relationship like that and just staying there. SOMETHING would have to change.
Opinion Owner+1 yAlso you asked the question about women initiating divorce so much, so I tried to give you a womans perspective in a miserable relationship and I tried to portray to you that my dad seems more willing to just exist in it, that he has his own insecurities and feelings of inadequacy that are very obvious when you overhear certain comments or arguments that I've heard (and I spent my childhood in this house with my ears pressed on doors, so id probably know better than you would), and maybe fear too
Opinion Owner+1 yAnd also, being a woman, no way in hell would I let some man's jealousy and drama hold me back from associating with people and networking. But again, she and I are very different people with different backgrounds. Whenever I tell her that she should go out anyway, she says that if she started doing the things necessary for the life she wants, it may end in divorce anyway. its just a sh*t storm.
Opinion Owner+1 yAlso, no offense, but I don't think you should assume to know what you obviously dont. 1. My dads work doesn't go unappreciated. He doesn't go unappreciated in general, and I thought that was clear when I said my mom said she didn't want to hurt him anymore than he already has been hurt, that she didn't want me to think negatively of him because he's an awesome father. so...are we hearing what we want to hear, or what?
Opinion Owner+1 y2. financial support and hard work will never, and I repeat, never, solve emotional problems in a relationship. you can try, but they wont. it may guilt someone into feeling like they should stay with you, or make them feel secure and safe so they stay for that reason, but it can't develop respect, support, happiness, and encouragement. it can't diminish strong insecurity and jealousy. you can try if you want, and good luck on that experiment, but the results will be disappointing.
Opinion Owner+1 yalso, you can't assume all men are the same. my dad has never been one of those "shut up and get me a beer" types, thank god. he talks A LOT. that's where I get it from :) My mom vents her frustrations and she talks to him quite a bit too, but if anyone is shooing the other off to shut up, 9 times out of 10, its my mom telling my dad that he's talking too much. literally. "okay, you're talking to much now, you got your point across."
Opinion Owner+1 yplus, my dad works two jobs. he comes home after picking up the kids, and he definitely talks his mouth off while there, and then he's out the door in 30 minutes and works until 11 p.m. I appreciate everything my dad does and so does my mom. but again, that is not going to change fundamental emotional/communication/support problems in a relationship.
I am slightly biased, but I see most of the picture for what it is. My dad isn't a bad person, they just aren't good for each other.
Opinion Owner+1 yso I want you to respond, honestly. would you stay in a relationship like this? okay, you think my dad has another side, which obviously, every relationship is two sided. lets assume you're in my dads position. would you really want to stay in a relationship like this? you don't play around, there's no intimacy, there's no real sensitivity or respect for feelings on either end, you know the person, but you really dont. you talk about frustrations but you never share your heart. why stay? would you?
Opinion Owner+1 yand before you even respond with your "women want marriage the most" scenarios, consider that my mom was never really pining for marriage. they grew up dirt poor. my mom wanted to not be poor more than anything, to accomplish her dreams. she got married because she was in a relationship for a long time and (I assume) was in love. they didn't have a grand wedding, her family didn't even come. it was very small, in a church and they ate the cake at home lol
Asker+1 yLol yeah you definitely talk a lot! But thank you for your input and story. I do think it sheds a light onto a concrete case with all its complexity. You're right, I can't judge or understand how your parents' marriage is dysfunctional. I did just try to tell you something most men experience in their relationships, under appreciated and taken for granted. Life isn't easy for anybody, men or women. I just believe women expect so much of men you know? And we're attacked because we want much less
Opinion Owner+1 yi still think you're making sweeping generalizations. I know a ton of women who feel the EXACT same way.pretty sure my mom has said she feels unappreciated/ taken for granted as well. I also don't feel like you're sticking to the question, and taking this opp to complain about women, no? if she's divorcing him, then why would it even be an issue? wouldn't that make more sense for you, for her to leave if she's allegedly not appreciating him, so he can find someone who would? I don't get the problem?
Asker+1 yOf course some divorces make a lot of sense. My overall question is about trying to understand why women file for many more divorces than men, especially since they are the ones wanting to get married so bad in the first place. I also am quite irritated by people who wants to get out but still feel entitled to get the kids and the money from the other person's.
Because women file for divorce more often doesn't mean they always carry the main fault. Statistically the vast majority of domestic violence and marital rape are commited by men. Men are also more likley to end up in prison and while there is no reliable statistic saying men cheat more often, men on average get caught more often. Can you really blame women for initiating a divorce in those cases. I understand a lot of thoses cases maybe a very small number and yet it adds up. Added together I'm sure those cases make up a pretty decent percentage of the divorces initiated by women
And I guess the others just didn't work out. Maybe they rushed into marriage or prince charming just didn't turn out as great as he used to. Men often marry younger women and sometimes those women just grow some more and maybe grow out of their husband.
One other factor probably is that men have more to lose in a divorce. Of course having a family is stressfull but you also get a lot of support. In case of a divorce the woman usually gets the kids, house, alimony and child support. Men suddenly have to pay for a family and have the stress of family, but no the support421 Reply
Asker+1 yThe first part of your answer is a big stretch I think. Saying a big portion of divorces are because men are severely abusive is unfair unless backed up by facts. Regarding your second point, that is documented, women get custody and child support more often than not. And facts also show that in states where women don't get those easily the disparity between genders filing for divorces is narrower.
Asker+1 yDre, good point I should have mentioned that all marital assets are split in half (that's not alimony). Alimony are mire often than not a scam in my opinion. Because the courts tell you you should pay the other person money (on top of child support) so their standard of living stays the same after divorcing! That's a crazy logic. Basically it's a huge incentive for the person who can get alimony to divorce. You can take the others' money for free, no need to work for it! Amazing concept
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well I think the idea is to help out the partner who put his/her career on halt to raise children. And from what I know it doesn't go on forever just a year or two.
Ya you get half, but again unless your husband is a millionaire, you also brought in roughly half of it. I'm not an expert, but I believe wealth acquired before the marriage stays with the one who made it. You guys make it seem like women can live it up after divorce, but that's more often than not, not the case - +1 y
I didn't say most marriages fail because of that. I'm just saying it adds up to make a percentage of why women initiate divorces more often. I don't know the numbers but if i.e 54% of divorces were initiated by women, I would think it's fair to say big part of those 4% are for the reasons I stated
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Well I don't know your situation and I don't really see your point. Children cost money, need food, clothes, entertainment, stuff for school ... Child support is more than fair, it's needed
Alimony is the only part I could see if some people say it's unfair, altough often I don't think it is. But the rest? Why is everyone so obsessed about this "she gets half" in most cases she also brought in half in the first place, so what's the problem?
Asker+1 yI think your missing a key thing here. So you took the example of a woman that was mostly taking care of the home while the husband made the money and built a career. After divorce you then feel it's OK for the woman to get financial support, but then to be fair and eqyal she should keep taking care of her ex-husband's home too then. What she gets is free money. He contributes to her life, she doesn't anymore. And that's not right.
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as I said, you don't pay alimony forever just a year or two to help her get back on her feet. She is still taking care of his children, so it's not like she is no factor in his life at all anymore.
If a couple mutually decides that she stays at home to take care of the kids and that works well for 7,8 years but then they divorce. You don't get a job easy after a 7 year break. Do you think it's fair that she carries the sole risk there.
Many men say they would want their wives to stay at home
Asker+1 yIf she can't provide for herself and for her kids, then she shouldn't have automatic custody. Also your assumption of alimony is wrong, who said it's limited to one year or 2?
You also haven't answered my question. She gets child support to make up for having the custody responsibility. She gets alimony for free and herself, then she should keep contributing to her ex's life in return for that same equivalent amount, yes or no?- +1 y
because that's not the idea of it. The idea is to help her to get a decent job again. That is hard enough to do with a few children and years since you last worked. link
That's the law. What exactly the law is depends a bit on the state but generally you are only required to pay alimony for a certain time period, until your partner remarries or makes more than a certain income. Lifetime alimony has become very rare even tho it exists in theory
Asker+1 yI understand the logic for the one getting the alimony, though in real world it's quite a diferent story and many get alimonies just because it's easy to take from one and give it to the other so the state hasn't to worry about pitching in (that's the real motivation imo). But I find it unfair that the other person that busts his or her ass working doesn't get the same recognition. If the agreement was that the jobless takes care of home than why aren't they forced to do that for a while...
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why aren't they forced to stay at home? Because the sitution has changed. Let's face it, in most cases the person paying can afford two times a good appartment, more food, more gas, more taxes. The person that was supposed to stay at home will have to work, which admittingly is sometimes hard if you have small children at home, but there is no other choice
Well I know a lot divorced couples but none were alimony wouldn't be justified - +1 y
I think what he's saying is that when one partner is at home, and kids are not at home, essentially they have a deal where one partner is doing all the domestic work, the other pays the bills.
After divorce, why is one paying all the bills for both, while no longer receiving anything back? - +1 y
if that is still the question, I think you both don't really get the idea behind alimony.
The answer is quite simply again because the situation has changed, if you want to split hairs fine. She stayed at home and got support from her husband. But now she gets less support while according to you guys she should do more work (kids plus 2 appartments instead of one)
I'm not arguing he should pay more, but she is getting less support and more risks than before thethe divorce, she still has to - +1 y
do her household, the kids and then should also do his household? That is more work for less support.
What do you mean with the kids are not at home? I think this a very very rare case. Most women work until they have children and start working again sometime. In a less well paying job of course, but it's rare that woman stays at home when there are no children at home
Asker+1 yWell you convinced me that yes many women don't have a clue about fairness and equality betwenn genders in case of divorce. And what you call "splitting hair" when men are the ones footing the bill, you would call "sexist atrocity" if women had to do it. It's very obvious to every guy, because we're often the ones being screwed in divorces. And reading the amount of disfaim from many women just reminds me how men have a long fight ahead to get gender fairness in divorces.
Asker+1 yAnd I didn't agree whatsoever with your example so we're in a dead end.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 ySince there is so much conrtoversy about paying alimony here:
My fiancee and I are currently working on a prenup. When we have children, I want her to stay at home. There just so many benefits of one parent being at home and I make enough money to support us.
Now I don't live in the U.S. but here the maximum duration alimony payments is one year. My fiancee say she doesn't want to quit working because if we should ever get divorced she'll have nothing. I get that fear, I really do.
So I would be willing to support her for longer than the year I am required to (assuming she did stay at home to raise our children) and we put that into our prenup. I think that is reasonable. I don't really see why so many men are relcutant to do that. I'm assuming they don't see the whole picture.
Also people don't always fight to death when they get a divorce. My mom initiated divorce too but I guess it was more of an equal decision. They had a house with several appartments, my dad just moved to another appartment and they kept paying the mortage together. We stayed with our mom and my dad gave us what he could and that worked fine. They never went to any court for that.
In all honesty. You used to love that person and you still love your children. You shouldn't wish the worst on them, both parties should be a bit considerate. Both my mom and my dad had to struggle a bit more financially than they it before, but they worked it out.10 Reply
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yBecause she can get half your stuff in the divorce. There is an incentive for her to cash out and leave.
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Asker+1 yYes I think that financial aspects are a big reason why women initiate more. I think men are typically on the losing side from the get go while women are in a gaining position and they can initiate divorce and take the guy to the cleaner.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI actually don't wanna get married because in truth, there are no benefits that I can see. I think it really depends on what generation you're talking to because most girls I know my age don't plan to ever get married as well or maybe my group of friends are just odd ducks. I think the older generation of women I've met DID have this fairy tale wish when they were young but they grew out of it and see that marriage, much less their men, can't make them happy, only they can themselves. If happiness is based on yourself and you alone, what's the point of marriage? Children can always be adopted. All the women I've met that are divorced were often physically and emotionally abused but these are Asian women, I'm not sure about other cultural groups but Asian women are the least likely of all cultural groups to initiate divorce, much less report abuse. Asians also have the least amount of divorces compared to other cultural groups, but that doesn't mean that they're happy in their marriages. Its more because divorce in Asian cultures are highly stigmatized. We have a word for a divorced woman in my language: broken old woman is the closest translation I can think of, no matter what her age, she's considered damaged goods.
My understanding of men is that even if they're unhappy, they won't do much about it. They usually don't open well or know how to cope with their emotional needs because they've been taught that its unmanly. Instead of initiating a divorce with the wife they hate, they cheat or ignore her and go to work, ignoring what they really need to do: work it out with her or leave and cut it clean.
Women are not this way, if they're unhappy, they'll make sure everyone knows about it. They've been taught to respond to every emotional need because they're girls and that's the "feminine" thing to do I guess. If the guy can't give them attention, they'll do things to irritate him, spend a lot of money on clothes and makeup or drink...etc.12 Reply
Asker+1 yI find your comment interesting and you bring good remarks about inabilities of many men to voice their issues while women tend to go overboard with their whining. The thing that really bothers me is women wants (or at least wanted) marriage the most, they want divorce the most, but yet the system seems to reward that behavior by largely giving them custody of the kids, splitting the assets and allowing alimony to make it easy on them so they can start fresh and well. I fail to see a balance
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@Women are not this way, if they're unhappy, they'll make sure everyone knows about it. They've been taught to respond to every emotional need because they're girls and that's the "feminine" thing to do I guess. If the guy can't give them attention, they'll do things to irritate him, spend a lot of money on clothes and makeup or drink...etc
you mean Women _you_ know.
@My understanding of men ... You mean Men _you_ know.
I know the opposite. Women hold it together and the guy throws tantrums
+1 yWhy do women initiate divorce so much more than men?
Likely since it seems gals have far less to concern themselves about alimony and custody rights.
More likely guys would be initiating divorce similarily or more than gals if they didn't fear losing their money and/or child(ren).
But, women are usually the ones wanting to marry so bad in the first place. So what is going on there?
Possibly gals realizing marriage isn't as wonderful as they thought it would be and may just be burdening herself with a partner who wants her to contribute like an equal while treating her like an inferior as he skimps on his workload such as childcare/household duties.
In my opinion it's quite telling how it seems for heterosexual gals divorce has far more incentives and positives than marriage does.13 Reply
Asker+1 yI agree with your analysis. I also think the way laws work, divorce is too positive for women. Actually in states where custody and child support are not that easy to get for women, the gender disparity narrows.
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It almost sounds like the underlying issue is that you want there to be punishment for women via lack of child support for the children she'll have to raise for getting a divorce.
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Was that for me or the QA? If it is was for me WTCupcake..o.O
+1 yThere is often a financial benefit for a woman who isn't working and gets divorced. She can basically not work for a long period of time after, and get the kids the majority of the time. Doesnt always work that way, but for the most part more women are better off financially after than a man now a days (disclaimer, in California. Don't know how it works in other states). If I was unhappy, and thought about it practically as a woman, it would seem to make the most sense...
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Asker+1 yYeah I agree. What gets me is more women want to divorce, fine. I'm interested by their reasons. But, let's be honest at least. They carry on with it because they can. And by that I mean they feel entitled to the kids and the money and they know many courts will agree with them. Beside for abuse cases, if women wanting a divorce had to walk away without the kids and money, do people really think that many women would divorce? Of course not. First and foremost, they do it because they can.
+1 y"But, women are usually the ones wanting to marry so bad in the first place. "
We are fed fairytales, plus many of us have a large need for companionship. Sometimes we rush into relationships and marriages that aren't meant for us.
"According to stats in the US, women initiate two out of three divorces. That means women are two times more likely than men to start a divorce procedure."
I think abuse happens more often to women than men. That's my take.52 Reply
Asker+1 yI agree with your first point. But, if you're the one realizing you made a mistake, then have the decency to ask the other to foot most of the bill.
I don't agree with the second. Men are definitely more physically abusive, women are more emotionally abusive. In any case, I don't think abuses are the dominant root cause of divorces thus can't explain the vast statistical unbalance between genders.- +1 y
Yeah, the second point is just a guess, but I've dumped a lot of my boyfriends for abuse, so... Maybe I'm just an oddity lol.
+1 yI've noticed more men will stay in an unhappy marriage, and just get a mistress after a while and not come home as much. It takes an extreme situation for a man to file, either that or his new chick has convinced him to start a divorce. Guys are more likely to just stay legally married, but ignore their wives and act like they don't have one. Where a woman in an unhappy marriage will just want a fresh start and him out of her life for good so she can move on
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Asker+1 yThat's possible, but I think it's a much easier decision for many women because they gain from the divorce, they get child custody and financial support dominantly and have an easier time finding a new partner. Don't you think?
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No. children are expensive and child support doesn't cover all the expenses. why do some men bitch about child support when they still would have had to pay money supporting the family during the marriage anyway? The primary provider has less support after divorce without the husband in the home anyway. How does the woman have it easy when its harder living as a single divorcee than a married wife? Would the man want full custody? That's a burden
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Trust me, I know guys who'd file this week if they could get custody & support.
Asker+1 yYou statistic might be correct, but I would think that many women don't get a new partner immediately by choice rather than because they can't. For example on online dating sites women get way more guys contacting them than the opposite. May be for older gal, like 45 and above I could conceive they are having a tougher time to find a true partner than men of similar age. I think men will be much more active finding someone new because many women can do that in a heartbit.
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According to statisticbrain.com "A womanโs desirability online peaks at 21" and "By 48, Men have twice as many online pursuers as Women." Peeks at 21? That is just gross. Makes sense right, men off all ages go for the youngest women rather than older women. I've heard from many women in their 40s+ that there are no good men out there and they give up looking. link
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Women get more contact up till age 30 or so.
In 40's, it reversed, assuming the guy is employed.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 ySTATISTICS DIDN'T LIE ? come on! you live in the US, a nation full of conspiracies with 300 million citizens.
i have read many statistics that say women's IQ is higher than men's, women are better at managing finance/money/investment, women are better leaders, women commit less car accidents, women are better drivers, etc. do you also believe think these statistics lied ?
i think you will make double standard whenever you see positive statistics on women. so I think this question only bashes women by one-sided judgement.
BTW do you believe men gossip more than women do ? xD11 Reply
Asker+1 yI have no clue what you're trying to say. You just took a lot of space without even answering the initial question.
Because as little girls most grow up with fairy tales, and most dream about the perfect marriage with an amazing man that will make all their dreams come true :] ... But once it happens, reality hits them in the face! and they learn that most men are not amazing at all... instead they turn into jerks and only very few of them cherish what they have... and the ones that don't, which is the vast majority, end up with a divorce issue. That's what's going on.
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lol ya'll want the jerks. the 'nice guys' are always too good and boring and you want some excitement, which is why ya'll go for jerks
Asker+1 ySee right from the beginning you get it all wrong. A man to make all YOUR dreams come true, what about HIS dreams? And if you want to talk about behavioral changes after tying the knot, put "no more sex" at the top of the list.
Asker+1 yNo doubt sex is a big part of a guy's life, but restricting men's dreams to that just shows how little you know of men. But I'll tell you something that I noticed. Men's dreams are like stamp collections. They are mostly separate and additive. And every time we get a stamp we get happiness from it. Women dreams are more like a puzzle, it's all tangled and interdependent, and no matter how many puzzle pieces you get, the empty feeling remains because the puzzle is incomplete.
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That's because men are far more easily satisfied with whatever comes to them. I'll get bunches of down votes... because "OH MY GOD! I'm insulting you guys and I know nothing about men". HA! And all men are the same, some just have lowerstandards than others because that's all they can afford/get. THE END. *side note* Real men who know how to satisfiy their women are in turn satisfied themselves because we give back what we believe is worth returning.. and those men hardly ever get divorced.
Asker+1 yGet down from your pedestal girl, seriously.
because they wanna use and take away everything from the punkass they married; Hades couldn't explain it any better. either that, or their minds are so influenced by disney movies that they think marriage is gonna help them live the life of a princess; but when they get a taste of reality, they just wanna bail out, like quitters(and that's why I always say that marriage is insanity)
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Asker+1 yFunny, I do believe Disney movies is the best example of that fairytale crap that women expect in a marriage. And I'm always amazed at how men get crap for not fulfilling that fairytale promise.
Asker+1 ylol that last remark made me laugh, because I think you have a legitimate argument!
Anonymous(36-45)+1 ynah, there are reasons why women want to divorce. if women want to divorce why you only think its women who made mistakes by wanting marriage ? what about if they were abused ?
come on, man. you live in the US. too many manipulative studies, stats, and datas on women. especially on driving and cheating. just like other western countries.11 Reply
Asker+1 yDisputing facts is just too easy. There is no question divorces have underlying reasons and motivations. Since there is such a disparity between genders it's interesting to talk about it, denying facts is just this, denial.
I think it's because most women force themselves to date a guy that treats them well but isn't that physically attracted to, because
"he's such a good guy, athough he's not that good looking to me, I can't let a good guy go!"
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As the marriage wanes on, her resentment of doing so wades on, she feels trapped in the marriage...and because divorce is so easy to get, she has a way out, so she uses it!00 Reply
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yWoman are idiots you see woman brains are smaller than men. Listen it's all about show and tell woman only want to marry rich men in America and get a chunk out of it. if you see so many celebrity woman marry other celebrity is because woman hardly settle for less. woman in America is the problem their selfish. and there always going to suffer. There aren't any perfect men. and they marry to pleasure their needs.
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Opinion Owner+1 ytotally agree brother we have a biased court system and woman judges and lawyers who need to get their ass fired.f***ing woman we gave them the liberty to pursue a career and this is how they repay us.
Asker+1 yThe comment about brain size is weird, since brain size has nothing to do with intelligence. Regarding your remark about women marrying to get their needs met, I do believe it's a major part of the problem. Women get into marriage with a truck loads of expectations and things they want out of it, while men just go in as a commitment. Many women quickly realize the magic didn't happen. They get mad at the fact that nothing changed in their lives once married. And here starts the guys nightmare
Opinion Owner+1 yListen in the end no one wins. children are left with broken homes and and fathers are left with broken hearts everyone is losing. And it's sad that children have to pay the price for the mothers selfish desires. People in this country promote alimony arrangement. Marriage is just another business for uncle tom uncle sam I mean.
Actually no. these days men are reportedly three times as intersted in marriage and kids, than are women.
they also enter into 3 times as many relationships, in a lifetime.213 Reply
Asker+1 yWhat are you talking about? Your second assertion is mathematically impossible. Number of men and women is roughly equal and a relationship takes one man and one woman. So in the end, averages among both genders will be equal. It's the power of mathematics, separating facts from fiction for you.
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no. not at al. not everyone is in a relationship. it refers to hetrosexual people who actually are in relationships, and marriage as well.
this is based on elf report : falling in love. being in a relationship. marriage. people can lie. people can also be in relationships they don't want to be in. anyway if not everyone in the world is in a relationship-which they are not. then you can have one group involved 3 more times than another.
point being. how you feel women are is not necessarily what is.
Asker+1 yYou are very hard to follow. Your initial answer said "men have 3 times more relationships tgan women in their lifetime". As I said, that's mathematically impossible.
Now I think you're correcting your initial wording and are saying "men that are currently in relationships have had three more time partners than women currently in relationships". That's at least mathematically possible though I'm not convinced. I don't know, and it has nothing to do with my initial question either...- +1 y
im not correcting anything.
i said men & I meant men. I never said everyone in the world has relationships. that's the only way it would be mathematically impossible.
youre assumptions are not my doing.
men have 3 times as many relationships in a lifetime than do women. and report fallling in love 3 times often. & express more interest in having marriage ad children. than do women. in a lifetime. not every single day. over a lifetime.
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Ahhh... Are you saying that men are more likely to be gay or bisexual or something...? Because... for every one relationship that a man enters into, one woman should also be entering into a relationship...
Am I missing something?
Asker+1 yYou don;t make any sense whatsoever sorry, and your still off topic anyway so thank you but I'm done answering whatever you're trying to say
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its not possible for the average heterosexual man to be in more relationships then the average heterosexual woman given current demographics, unless you are including survivorship bias.
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I don't know if it's true but it's absoultley not impossible for the average men to have 3 times as many partners than women. I don't even know why anyone would say that. this for one man that is ina relationship there is also one woman doesn't make any sense in this case
I guess what should be taken into is how those studies were done. People like to lie and men usually exaggerate about their previous partner while women usually push down the number
Asker+1 yOk let me give you an example because I'm astounded. You have three men A, B, C. And you have three women 1, 2 and 3.
Let's say: A has been with 1, 2. B with 3. C with 1,2 and 3
For men we end-up with 6 relationships for 3 men. Average of 2 relationships per man
For women?
Well, let count: ! has been with A and C. 2 has been with A and C. 3 has been with B and C.
So we end-up with 6 relationships for 3 women. Average of 2 relationships per woman
Get it now?
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In this example:
A's count is 2 (1 and 2).
B's is one (just 3).
C's is 3 (1 2 and 3).
(2+1+3)/3 = average 2 for the letters.
1's count is 2 (A and B).
2's count is 2 (A and C).
3's count is 2 (B and C).
2+2+2/3 is average 2 for the numbers.
Both averages are 2 miss. The averages should be the same on both sides regardless of who you pair with whom. - +1 y
Here's another abstract example I just typed out as well:
group 2: A B C D E F G
group 2: a b c d e f g
A > abcdefg > 7
B > NONE > 0
C > bcd > 3
D > efg > 3
E > abc > 3
F > NONE > 0
G > NONE > 0
average 2.2857142857142857142857142857143
a > AE > 2
b > ACE > 3
c > ACE> 3
d > AC > 2
e > AD > 2
f > AD > 2
g > AD > 2
average 2.2857142857142857142857142857143
Same again. The only way to make them different is to pair from within each group. - +1 y
Correction, there is another way to change the averages, and that is to make the groups not the same size.
If there were 3 times as many women as men you would expect the average number for men to be 3 times that of women.
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yWomen have a warped view of marriage. That's why they want it so badly. They don't have a realistic idea of what it will be like.
When reality fails to live up to their Disney inspired idea of what marriage should be, they want a divorce.32 Reply
Asker+1 yI tend to agree, getting married, not marriage, seems to be the goal for a lot of women. It seems that in their mind the concept of marriage is the guy proposing to them, and them having a fairy tale like ceremony where they look pretty in their white dress. And indeed that's where all Disney stories end, "...and they lived happily ever after!". Problem is that's a good joke. The proposing and ceremony are the easy part, the living together every day is much much harder.
Opinion Owner+1 yExactly!
No idea why someone disagreed with this. You seem to have understood exactly what I was trying to say.
+1 yMen are practical creatures. The more time and money we invest into anything the more difficult it is to give up. This holds true for women as well, but not as much as with men.
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Asker+1 yInteresting point. I think it has some merit. Women invest themselves emotionally, but once they get dissatisfied, these emotions changed to negative and they move away from the relationship. I think men in a sense are less invested emotionally, but yes have invested their time, money, sweat...And that doesn't vanish or turn, that investment is a rock in a sense.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThey get bored and want out because their lives have become dull. Either that or they get bored of their partner and have an affair with some other bloke, and then divorce their partner. She then ends up in a relationship with the new guy, and their relationship ends up exactly like the first one, and so the process repeats itself. Either that she sticks with him while regretting leaving he first guy.
00 ReplyBecause they know they'll get full custody of the children, the house, and child support, I suppose.
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Asker+1 yi think that's a big part, the system is tipped toward them and they have it too easy compared to men. That's also my main argument. Now I'm also interested to see why women seem more disgruntled and unhappy in general. I'll admit men behave like sh*t sometimes, but boy I think women ask so much form their guys too and get pissed so often that men prefer shut down altogether
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThis is an interesting read.
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Asker+1 yvery interesting link, especially the first part. Thanks for pointing it to my attention.
Just like the anonymous user said, About 70% if not more is based on financial reasons alone. So, the other 30% is infidelity/moral issues .
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. There is no financial benefit to divorce. You will pay more taxes, need two appartments, if you have kids chances are one of you didn't work or worked only part time, it's hard to get a well paying job then. Unless maybe your husband is a millionaire
Asker+1 yIzzy, you seem pretty naive. First of all when you divorce you get access to half of the marital assets (house, cars, money etc...) then you get child support (that part is OK but for the fact that custody is given way too easily to women), and alimony which can be anything the judge decide. That last part is the most damaging. Basically the one working gives money, for free, to someone that doesn't have to lift a finger to get it. Think about that.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 ybecause when women are unhappy they split, or you get cheated on. once a woman is unhappy it's a wrap.
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Asker+1 yOh yes, once women are unhappy in a relationship it's turning sour and going down really bad. And you can't believe how the same woman that were treating you like a king not so long ago, despise you and see you as the source of all her pain then. You behave EXACTLY the same, you are the EXACT same person. But, still, YOU are the jerk that treats her wrong and make no mistake she will show you time and again that you are a bad man. First of all, no more sex! I think many many guys will relate lol
+1 yBecause women know the courts will be in their favor.
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Asker+1 yYes, I believe that's a significant reason
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yMost of those women divorce based on financial issues or they just simply fell out of love. Marriage with them is useless.
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Opinion Owner+1 y^^^Expected that kind of answer. That's why I said what I said. Most aren't because men were cheating or were abusive. -_- They never take responsibility for anything.
+1 yEasy! Men are butt heads.
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Asker+1 ythen women shouldn't push to marry them in the first place, should they now? And when they divorce, they should just pack their bags and leave the kids and the money behind, shouldn't they?
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I wouldn't know, would I? I'm not married, am I? I don't have kids, do I?
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But - if I were to be divorced I'd take the money because I am more wealthy than any guy I've dated yet and under the circumstances it won't likely change. So no, I wouldn't agree that women should leave the money.
Asker+1 yOur exchange sounds like a mute talking to a deaf person. Let's both move on.
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Does it? Why do you care about other peoples divorces anyways? Since when did statistics become important? This question is incredibly stupid. Just in case you were wondering.
Asker+1 yLol, so you thought that question was stupid but still come and waste everybody's time with your senseless comments? Please go answer someone else's question that's worthy of your great intelligence. You'll win and everybody on here will win too. Thank you.
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This entire site is a waste of time! Let's be honest.
Asker+1 ylol seems like you're an expert at wasting time since you're a level 9...
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Oh I am!
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@QA this whole site is ran by feminists.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yMarriage sucks for women
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yMarriage for women is miserable
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