+1 yTheir are several factors in my opinoin. One and a big one is that men have more to lose in a divorce then women. Women are incredibly likely to get full custody of their children and obviously men are not. Men pay child support and alimony 80% of the time, child support until the offspring is 18 and alimony until she remarries/for life (though this is finally begining to change in some states). So he looses his money, he looses his children and most likely will lose his home as well, she loses only a slight financial dip while gaining all of the above (plus on the off chance she is the one expected to pay up she most likely won't and their will be little to no consequence for her as compared to men, about 70% of men pay their child support while barely 30% of women do considering how much more frequent a man is expected to pay then a woman, that is a big gap between the two.) So the risks falls on him not her.(as for cheating 12% of all divorces filed are by men for their wives infidelity, or over half, the only real reason men divorce usually is cheating or emotional abuse. For the 80% of divorces filed by women the most sited reason is irreconcilable differences or no fault, to give perspective.) The other reason is that women are encouraged to think with emotions ie she "fell" out of love ergo it must be time for a divorce. That however is not what men are taught, men are taught relationships are hard, incredibly hard and you have to work at them. If you feel the spark isn't their, you don't break up you try to fix it you figure out the problem and you solve it.(this will be controversial I know but in my experiences its true, women will follow their emotions a lot more then men and men are more likely to try to fix the problem once they are aware their is a problem to fix). The other is communication. Basicly women are really good at communicating with other women. It is not the case with men however. Just look at this site where women are constantly asking about what the guy meant what him not immediatley answering a text meant etc. Usually what a guy says, is exactly what he means. Women however look far to into what they say reading far more into something then they should, and expecting men to do the same with them. Their in lies the issue men do not understand that their is a problem because women do not know how to communicate with men, they try and be subdle or vague instead of direct (at least that is how it seems to men) so that creates issues.
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So the man being unaware of their being a problem is then shocked to find that his wife is leaving him. So lack of commuication causes ample issues. I think also that their is a lot more social stigma on guys leaving their wives then women. If you look at the comments of women all of them state how obviously she fell out of love that she did nothing wrong that it was obviously all the guys fault in 80% of divorce cases etc etc. which is quite honestly just not realistic. Women can and are selfish just like men, when a woman goes to court because her million dollar settlment isn't enough money that isn't because she fell out of love, thats because she wants his money (and probably to be vindictive too). The problem is women have a 4x greater in group prefference ie women will side with women so their is little pressure on the side of women to work things out, and men are readily willing to believe a woman is the victim and as such he is responsible not her. Men do not have that so their
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is a greater social pressure to stay and either ignore the problems (men comprise 80% of emotional abuse victims in intimate relationships) or fix them (when they know their is a problem to fix). This is what most likely causes the issues between couples, I also think that wives are more likely to take out their frustration on their husbands (again 80% of emotional abusers are women within intimate relationships) probably because they believe they can take it (we are conditioned not to complain about our mistreatment, and to be honest society doesn't really like acknowledging male victims on top of that). Now I don't mean she is intentionally trying to hurt them but she vents at him believeing he can shrug it off, for instance my cousin was going through some bad times (her brother was killed in a car accident) and she and she ended up kicking her husband out of the house for awhile (they have since reconciled) they had been together for years with no issue so I believe this was her coping
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with her brothers death and unfortunatley it was her husband who took the brunt of her emotional frustration. So basicly poor communication social pressure and our societies readily excepting the idea that women are victims and men are impervious is why the divorce rates are so skewed.(also for added perspective male suicide doubles after divorce, and its already 4x higher in men then women).
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Great points, very well written and totally true.
As a father and husband, yes we carry the weight of a lot of things that society expects us to just "man up" and deal with it. Which we do, but there is an undisclosed toll it takes on each of us that nobody talks about.
So in a way it feels an awful lot like men are marginalized and our feelings are dismissed more than women in today's world. Which I find totally ironic because there is this huge feminist push at the same time where I would think that would bring men and women closer to mutually respecting each other. But it seems to be more of a wedge issue dividing us instead. - +1 y
@gapminder I would concurr, and I think that the fact that so many men upvoted my coment And the only down votes (as of yet) have come from women is an indicator of this. We as a society do not wish to think about men (this is both due to social conditioning and whats called neoteonous traits (pretty sure I mispelled that)). Its a terrible situation but until we start admiting that men are people and not some impervious tool to be used we are going to continue to have issues.
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It's funny though here we are on a website called "girls ask guys". One could argue a site specifically for women to ask guys whatever they want. So here we are to answer a question "asked by a woman" and in typical female form we get shot down or down voted for an honest answer. SMH, ya just can't win...
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@gapminder "he who asks the question cannot run from the answers" but apparently doesn't hold true in real life, saddly.
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You should have done a mytake on this, very well thought out and written
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@Likes2drive Thank you, maybe I should. We'll see.
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+1 yBecause when the marriage is over and the woman knows it they usually don't end it there. They will play along like things are mostly fine until they have a new guy lined up, have gotten him to pay for something they want, have money saved up whatever, then end the relationship. Meanwhile the guy usually knows the relationship is in trouble, but thinks she's trying to work it out with him. He usually doesn't realize she's pretty much left the relationship already and has little commitment to it beyond what's required to keep up the facade until she's able to maneuver. In my marriage I filed for divorce and ended it.
I've seen this pattern time in again with male friends and have experienced it once while dating myself. The guy usually is oblivious as to exactly where he truly stands with her until he's served with divorce papers.58 Reply- +1 y
Yeah in mine too, she had a guy lined up for a long time and when he got a house big enough to take the kids is when she left and is the one filing for it because it works out for her and now she starts a new life and gets child support while I'm left in the dust waiting to sell the house I'm in that I can't afford because of high support payments
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@Likes2drive Yeah it's pretty common.
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@Likes2drive Sorry that happened to you. Guys don't stand much of a chance in a divorce.
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Yeah never again for me, and she is going to marry this guy which will be her third marriage
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@Likes2drive I fully understand. I do know for certain there are good women out there. I have a few girl friends who are all married that are really great women. I'd love to be with any of them, but they're all happily married. Even if they weren't it wouldn't matter, I don't play with married chicks peroid. I've also dated a few girls years ago who were also of exceptional character. They're not all bad. The problem is they're not all good or even ok. Many are down right sociopathic or narcissistic in nature. Marriage or even having a girlfriend you live with is a very risky proposition these days. So many laws and court rulings favor women. I've gotten into it with a few feminazis on here. They think things are not equal between the sexes. They're right. Women definetly have an upper hand especially in divorce court and are afforded many other privlages not afforded to men. If you didn't want to get married again I can't say I blame you or anyone who doesn't want to.
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Yeah there wouldn't be any need for it the second time around since I already had kids, just gets lonely at times and no sex unless I get a steady girlfriend , it's hard after being married 17 years even though it wasn't a good one you still are so use being with them
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@Likes2drive Yeah. I hear you. You're kinda "institunalized" as it were.
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Yes that is what they do.
+1 yI think it has to do for many reasons that the men and women have touched on here.
The laws make it too easy for women to divorce and gain more financially and resources. Pretty much there's way too much to gain in alimony payments, child support, and child custody.
Many of these laws are outdated in my opinion. There was a time when women were limited and impeded them from divorce and leaving an abusive relationship, but this isn't really the case as much anymore.
There are other means that don't have to affect the ex husband, like government assistance, women and children shelters, police responding to domestic violence, not to mention most couples are both working nowadays. There's just too much to justify alimony.
Also, there are too many sneaky lawyers who can somehow go around prenups. That's scary. That's bullshit as well, and it just makes men have too much to lose in a divorce.
That out of the way, there's also domestic violence and infidelity. And women leaving if they feel neglected.
Also, many women tend to have this Disney enforced notion of "fairy tale love" and many women think they're ready for marriage, but realize too late they are not.132 Reply- +1 y
Also, men don't seem to realize how much power they truly have in dating. Many women seem to want to "trick" men or get them to commit.
This is why they ask "I'm falling for my friends with benefits, how can I get him to commit?" Or other casual sex scenarios.
Sure, it's harder initially for men to attract attention, but it's super hard for women to find a guy who wants more than just casual dating or casual sex and actually wants to stay. And to me, that's where the true luck in relationships comes from. Quantity<quality.
So if we're trapping or getting these men to commit when they don't want to, it's very short sighted and leaves her more open to abuse and manipulation.
Men lower their standards when it comes to dating, women lower them when it comes to the relationship itself.
And what's the point of all this? Many women are fooled into thinking all those problems magically go away when they get married or even if they have a baby together. Doesn't always work. - +1 y
I would disagree very much with one thing you said. It is definetly not hard to find a guy who's willing to commit. There are plenty of them. It may be hard to find a guy that meets your standards who's willing to commit. In the same way it's hard for me to find a girl who meets my standards that I'm willing to have a relationship with. There are plenty of guys who want to be in relationships. Of those that don't you have some who are players, and some who've been burned too badly to consider commitment yet have sexual needs hence the FB. Then the finally you have an ever growing number who don't want anything at all to do with dating, an FB, or marriage.
+1 ySometimes there are legit reasons.
Other times, the "reason" is "I'm bored." Which is really just a distorted, chopped, screwed, transmuted version of something altogether different -- the desire to submit.
First it shows up as restlessness and petty bickering.
Then raising hell over stupid shit -- hoping, subconsciously, that her man will, for lack of a better term, man up.
"I'm bored."
She won't be consciously aware of the real reason. If she's been infected by a certain toxic strain of feminism, she'll deny it all the way. Oh, no, a Strong Woman (tm) couldn't want THAT.
She'll remain unaware of it, or flat-out deny it, even as it rips her and her family's lives apart.
And she'll tear their lives apart, oh yes she will. Into little shreddy shreds, on the floor of that family courtroom. She'll teach her kids, by example, that relationships are all about pain and fighting and broken hearts and 5/2 splits.
All that, when all she needed all along was a strong hand from her man.
Her man.441 Reply- +1 y
What about the fact that a strong hand puts you in jail?
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@RandomPerson1324 Not if you do it right.
You got a lot of latitude, actually, boy. More than you think. Most of the boys in them DV courts didn't even raise dat pimp hand, and their women are just out of control. Amok.
DV courts are public. Anyone can sit in the gallery. You want an eye opener? Sit in that damn gallery all day and see what comes in. You'll probably see a grand total of 0 bruises, 0 cuts and 0 sundry other injuries.
Yep. The boys in there are boys like my younger brother. Boys who ain't guilty of anything beyond shit judgment in choosing a woman. - +1 y
@RandomPerson1324 No, dude. The boys gettin run through that wringer, are the boys who DON'T raise the pimp hand.
God's got a cruel, cruel sense of humor. - +1 y
and the ones that hit the girls don't get arrested? How does this make sense? Please explain...
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@RandomPerson1324 It's called false accusations, friend. False accusations, combined with an unconscionably low standard for guilt.
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But if there's bruises, then there would be proof...
As opposed to no bruises and no proof, right? - +1 y
@RandomPerson1324 Why don't you... Read about it.
www.shouselaw.com/domestic-violence243e1.html
Read the examples, listed under "Examples."
Scroll down a bit, to the part about false accusations. This is AN ATTORNEY'S PROFESSIONAL SITE, which is sworn under oath to neutrality, and STILL they mention false accusations as "something that all too often happens".
What you think that means, boy?
It ain't just California, either. - +1 y
Quit calling me "boy" you stupid whore... I just got out of prison...
But this doesn't say anything about all the girls WITH MARKS ON THEM that get charged with crimes too...
Are you saying that the girls don't call the police when someone actually hits them, but they would be more likely to falsely accuse someone? - +1 y
@RandomPerson1324 Yes, I'm saying that's much more likely.
I'm grouping "wild crazy exaggerations of the truth" together with "completely fictitious exaggerations", by the way. That's one group, which far far outnumbers the real victims. And makes the real victims look like shit, too, by the way.
What you get locked up for, boy?
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For fucking your mom you dumb whore
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@RandomPerson1324 Single daddy's girl, here. Wrong crowd today, boy.
Boy. - +1 y
WORDS from a dumb whore...
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@RandomPerson1324 ... Nope.
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yea... just words...
nothing more...
it's all you are is nothing...
no substance...
just a stupid picture of lipstick... - +1 y
@RandomPerson1324 Wha?
Um, that's not a picture of lipstick.
That's a picture of lips!
LOL
Lipstick looks like this:
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Great!
You're still stupid... - +1 y
@RandomPerson1324 Maybe.
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But that's ok, because I can still win at life.
thumbs.newschoolers.com/index.php - +1 y
nothing you say is funny or relevant...
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@RandomPerson1324 Point made more strongly.
img.humorsharing.com/.../..._025_515e8e6a1f788.jpg - +1 y
I don't think that even made sense...
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@RandomPerson1324 i3.kym-cdn.com/.../452.gif
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More nonsense...
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I've heard it can take months for a case to go to trial. My family knew one person who had a DV case, and it took 3 months for the case to be brought to trial after the incident. The before trial (Arrears I think it's called?) was almost 2 months after the incident I think. So the victims may not have physical markings by the time the case gets to court...
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Arraignments are just the accused. The accuser isn't present at an arraignment.
TRO (temporary restraining order) hearings are in real time, and mosta those are people without so much as a scratch.
Also, people preserve evidence, when evidence exists. Really, I was shocked, when my brother got run through this whole wringer -- shocked at how few cases had ANY actual evidence. Srsly, it was like some Soviet kangaroo court. Guilty unless proven innocent, and maybe even then. - +1 y
Yep, that's the word I meant. I know the victims aren't present then, I just meant that it take s a long time for courts to process everything. I didn't know about the temporary restraining order happening so fast though.
Did anyone that you saw, bring pictures or anything for evidence? - +1 y
The worst I saw was a picture of a busted lip.
Also, it's not unheard of for people to self-inflict wounds, either... so even that isn't ironclad.
I mean, the system is plagued with uncertainty for the same reason why every criminal court system, everywhere, is plagued with uncertainty. It's gna be he said she said, and that's how it will always be forever, and that can't be changed. But that isn't why it's a problem. It's a problem because the whole DV process takes the notion of "innocent until proven guilty" -- the idea on which our entire legal system is based -- and totally just throws it out the window. It's a travesty. - +1 y
How could it be changed really?
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By affording the same protection to the accused that exists in the entire rest of the court system.
The basis of the legal system is "innocent until proved guilty." It's not "innocent until proven guilty, unless the suspect is a big scary dude and the victim is a cute little woman." People seem to forget these things. - +1 y
I'm not understanding how that could be possible. I wish it was too, but how?
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What do you mean? These cases should just be tried in the same way as every other kind of criminal case, with the same standard of evidence. What's impossible or implausible about that?
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Oh, you eman more evidence should be required? Like pics? That does sound like it may be more fair.
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The standard of evidence needs to be "beyond a reasonable doubt", as in any other criminal case. Not just preponderance of the evidence.
That means "beyond ANY reasonable doubt".
Because that's the entire basis of the legal system here. Without that, freedom is severely compromised. - +1 y
Oh. I just read that you said your own brother was there. how'd it work out 4 him?
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In the long run? He got a very expensive lesson in choosing mentally stable partners. LOL
The bitch also tried to sue him in civil court, for emotional distress or some shit. She didn't get money out of him, but it still cost him $$ to retain a lawyer. Luckily, he had his big sis to help him out with that. - +1 y
At least he wasn't prosecuted... It's a shame that it all costs so much.
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He took a plea bargain. He PROBABLY would have been let off, but, if he were convicted, he would've had firearms rights revoked for 10 years. He's an avid hunter, so no way he was gna take that risk.
He has a lesser crime on his record, now, but it's easy enough to explain that away. Or just lie. When you're asked about crimes, you should just lie. Lie lie lie. No reason to tell the truth to a potential employer. - +1 y
The employer can't find out?
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Any non-felony, nope, illegal. Anything over 3 years old, nope, provided yr attorney is professionally responsible enough to get it scrubbed from the record.
You can get pretty far with "oh sry, I forgot about that". Especially if it's a plea bargain -- you can just say you didn't know that was supposed to count. If you are articulate and actually good at yr job, this is easy to talk yr way out of. - +1 y
Thank you for that information. I don't have any record, but you never know what can happen. Srsly, thanks for mentioning that stuff.
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no worries, you can PM if you have any more personal q's of that nature. Where I grew up? Let's just say I know a lot about the California penal system, girl.
+1 yA lot of women take very bad advice from so called friends and only think about the financial, material processions and custody rights but forget that once you divorce your husband he's no longer yours and owes you nothing personally anymore just any kids you might have.
I think too many women are thinking about what the wedding will be like instead of the marriage. I think in a lot of divorce cases of friends and family I know its the ex wife who ultimately regrets it the most, sure the man's bitter about it at the start but once a woman who's been married for a few years and had a few kids starts to see the men out there that are available for long term relationships they find all the best men are taken or won't get with a woman with baggage or are the same as their exs or then there's the douchebag guys while the ex husband is free to start again usually with a younger woman with no kids. I know so many divorcees who are butthurt that their husband found someone younger and hotter than they are.132 Reply- +1 y
Your so right on so many levels, I think my ex will regret it eventually once she sees how much I did and paid for and also took care of the kids while she went out most nights and cheated on me
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She cheated so fuck her never look back@Likes2drive if I was her I would be worried of how low my kids think I am
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+1 yThe people I know who've gotten divorces have all left either because one partner cheated or because the relationship has ended. Who wants to be trapped in a loveless sexless marriage accented with various degrees of abuse for the rest of their lives?
I think men are more willing to settle and just accept because they're usually the ones being catered to. Whereas the women are usually doing the catering. It's fun to things like make a nice dinner when you're appreciated. It's just another chore in a long endless list when you're not. If the rest of your life looked like an endless chore list where you never get to do anything for yourself and no one ever does anything for you, would you stay?1222 Reply- +1 y
Catered to? I have never heard that. Especially since all data shows men work more then women, they actually put in slightly more time overall then women do, its just that they put that time in at work instead of at home. Women don't cater to men, in fact men are still expected to pay the bills, pay for dates be "romantic" ie buy flowers and jewelery etc. and even on this website most women fully admit they don't cook for their guys. So I highly doubt its because men are gaining so much and women are just another utility. Also statisticly speaking men are far more likely to be emotionally abused then women, and are slightly more likely to be physically abused then women in relationships. So again, claiming that women are the victim isn't really matching the facts.
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@hellionthesage Honey. You really need to stop talking about things you obviously do not understand. Go play with your toys while the adults speak.
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"If the rest of your life looked like an endless chore list where you never get to do anything for yourself and no one ever does anything for you, would you stay?"
Just wait until you have kids, hon. - +1 y
Well im guessing she's got cats so doesn't want kids (joking unless im right lol).
I think a lot married men feel the same that life is one endless chore. Most divorcees all in all are because people can no longer commit to one person and relationships are disposable. - +1 y
@redeyemindtricks I plan not to.
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@Clungesponge90 if your marriage is one endless chore instead of a partnership, you should leave. No one should have to be stuck being miserable the rest of their lives.
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@hellionthesage Do you value housework and raising children less than working at a job just because it doesn't have an income attached to it?
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condensending remarks and insults? Really, thats what your reduced to the moment some one argues against your incredibly one sided remark? Well not unexpected. I do know what I am talking about, I have hard data: www.usatoday.com/.../
www.slate.com/.../...h_men_and_women_work_men.html
www.psmag.com/.../will-women-prefer-husbands-breadwinners-97317
www.mintpressnews.com/.../
jezebel.com/.../have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have
jezebel.com/.../domestic-violence-are-women-as-abusive-as-men
https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
So yes I in fact do know what I am talking about as my sources show, more so it seems then you since your only form of rebuttel was a personal attack. If I was wrong and you could prove it you would have done so, but you didn't. Please next time try and be civil, instead of making puerile remarks, it will give you a better argument and likely the respect of the other person, even if they still disagree with you. - +1 y
@loofah not at all, both are very important, do you value house work and raising kids more then the the job that puts the food on the table and the roof over head? The fact is we know that statisticly men work more when they have a family and women work less (at an occupation) it is how they nurture. Women are their for there children while the man works harder to make sure that his family has all that they need to survive. Both are very importnat which is why we had the division of labor to begin with so that both parties could contribute equally to the relationship and the family. The issue is that women and @BellePepper specificly seem to think that this is not important that working 50 hours a week at a job you most likely hate is easy and is uninportent compared to what she does. That is not the case. It reminds me of the story of the farmer and his wife, both believed they had it harder so they switched jobs, by the end of the day they realized they both worked equally hard,
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@loofah that is that even though both of them had different jobs both where equally important and equally difficult, and that they did the job they where best suited for. This is the issue, many women don't seem to think that both men and women work equally hard and are equally important. As many of these comments show most women think men are pretty much lazy and disposable, that they are not worth having around. This is the problem I have.
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@hellionthesage No honey you really don't.
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@loofah I wouldn't bother wasting your breath.
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I see, so what your saying is you cannot actually argue against what I am saying so your just going to pretend your right and I am wrong and not actually back up your statement in any way, let alone in a meaningful way? Is that about right? the fact is I backed my statement up with facts you didn't and your argument that I couldn't understand. . . .(you really didn't give a reason) I supose is because I am a man (which if its the case is sexist) is equally applicable to you as you obviosly don't understand men and you haven't actually bothered to research before you make a statement. Its incredibly sexist but then again women in our society are allowed to be so its sadly not suprising. Perhaps you should just as an experiment see what its like when you don't presuppose that men are evil. Maybe you'll learn something, like men are human beings and so are women.
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@hellionthesage Right now you have the privilege to speak on my threads. I have made it exceedingly clear that you need to do your research on this topic because you are choosing to not only be exceedingly ignorant but also needlessly vitriolic as you spread that ignorance.
If you do not change these attitudes when you speak to me, I will block you and you will lose the privledge to speak with me. - +1 y
How am I being vitriolic (filled with bitter criticism or malice.) you claimed that it was mens fault and started making false claims that women did more work, I pointed out that was not the case and even gave you the source to that claim, you did not give any source to yours what so ever. I gave multiple sources to show that men are not in fact using women as some kind of utility and are as human as women are. You where condesending and insulting from the start I as far as I can tell did not say anything that was a direct attack on you, but rather pointed out the one sidedness of your words. Could you give me an example of my malicious statements? Also I gave you the research to back my claims (and several others) so I don't know what you mean by researching since I obviously did so. So all I can think is that you do not like what I am saying and thats why you are threatening (and after this post certainly going) to block me. I am sorry you think so poorly of men.
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@hellionthesage You are missing the point again. I'll give you the night to think it over and you can get back to me tomorrow.
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So again, where was I vitrolic?(I cannot rectify a behavior if I do not know why it was wrong) How can I research what you are talking about, I thought I had, hence my seven links I gave to show you that their was statistical facts backing my statements up? I am missing the point you are trying to make obviously, what is it that you are trying to say, what point is being stated that I am missing?
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@hellionthesage honey, if you still haven't seen the point on your own. No amount of walking you thought it is going to help.
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That is a dodge, just say outright what your trying to say and their will be no issue, and again if I said something that you interpreted as malicious then show me so I can rectif it. And again what research do I need to do? You seem to think I should simply except your view of things without evidence and without even being given a reason to believe it. If you have something to say, you say it, so if your trying to make a point explain it otherwise what was the point?
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@hellionthesage No, it's literally that you're choosing not to read. You obviously need more time to think on this.
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I think this has a lot to do with how we see who is worthy of a relationship and who can ask for help.
It seems like guys are considered the expendable part of the relationship. Traditional dating revolves around the man earning his place in the relationship, and the woman choosing whether or not he is worthy. After that, if he is being a jerk "She shouldn't have to put up with his shit". But if she is being a jerk "If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best."
If the guy has a grievance in the relationship, people tell him to man up and deal with it, because he doesn't deserve her in the first place. This is also a very common trope in relationship-based stories and shows. "It doesn't matter how she was treating you. Man up and apologize to her, because she can have anyone, and you are lucky she settled for YOU."
So basically, if a girl gets a divorce, people are more understanding of it. If she initiates the divorce, "He was never good enough for her". If HE initiates the divorce "He is walking out on his responsibility to her".
So guys aren't going to initiate a divorce. People will see it as weak and lazy. Meanwhile, they will encourage women to get a divorce because it is all too easy to believe the man is the burden of the relationship.
The same goes for other things like domestic violence and health issues. As Peter Marin put it, "By being in need of help, men forfeit their right to it."50 Reply
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI have found that women have a lot more to gain from divorce than men do. As a woman I can honestly say that the whole saying of "women don't know what they want" can be undeniably true to some females. A man files for divorce and he will most likely get slapped with a hefty alimony payment OR child support and sometimes both. Men know what will come of divorce and the money that will be forked over; hence, why it is mainly women who file for divorce. Recent studies have shown that women file for divorce 67% of the time. It has also been shown (in that same survey) that out of those same women who filed for the divorce, 48% of them are the ones who hinted toward the marriage to begin with. 19% filed because of a cheating spouse, 26% filed because of sexual differences, and 22% filed because of domestic disputes. Out of this survey, 98,000 women were asked. That's a big number. Imagine if we had questioned all married women?
Divorce rates are sky rocketing. Success rates in marriage have dropped drastically. Which, I believe, is the main reason why so many people (mainly men) are so hesitant to actually go through marriage. People are getting more distracted. Bored. Unsatisfied. Hardly anyone is taking the time to get to know the person before marrying them anymore. Which could be a huge reason why so many divorces are becoming a big part of today's world. I know that I'm hesitant. Not just because of the men themselves (because I truly have only met a few bad apples) but because of myself as well. Needs change with time. Desires change with time. Unless you have a partner who is capable of adapting to my changes then I can not ever allow them to marry me. Not only is it not fair to them but its not fair to me either.
Marriage is somewhat overrated. People get bored so they get married. They start having problems and think marriage will solve it. They have babies and get married because its "the right thing to do". All of it to me is nonsense.20 Reply
+1 yWould you say "I do" if they tell you you will get money just because you have a vagina? Well, many girls will, and that's why most divorces are initiated by women. They know the court will 90% of the times give her what she wants, even if she was the one doing wrong.
Just picture this beautiful scenario: You're living in a nice house whose mortgage you don't have to take care of cause the guy is the one paying for it, and you're getting money without doing anything.
Isn't that an appealing situation? Sounds beautiful.203 Reply- +1 y
It's not just the rich that divorce. Some women would do as you say but there are more people that barely have anything to marry for money. So the statistics she found and I've seen myself couldn't possibly all be gold diggers
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@Bliss-taylor and I agree. I was never saying every woman gets married in order to then divorce for the money. I know not every woman does that, and I think I may have explained myself incorrectly given the upvotes and downvotes.
What I was trying to say is that since the law favors women in divorces, that attracts the gold diggers and bad women.
I apologize to you and all those who took offense thinking I was talking about all women. I was just talking about the bad ones. - +1 y
Okay I see. =)
+1 yWow reading all the guys comments on here they think women are shallow selfish humans only capable of thinking about money.
I can only speak for myself when I say if I leave my husband there will be significant financial implications for me and not in the good sense.
I would be leaving because there is no love, I'm completely alone and emotionally abused on a regular basis. I'd leave because I want a chance to be with someone who might actually love me.
My husband would only leave if I cheated on him. That's it. So obviously I would be the "reason" for our divorce. I think many women are faced with such dead end marriages and just can't handle a life of capitivity with invisible bars.1515 Reply- +1 y
My situation was similar to what you are describing and that's why I decided the separation. I would not stand the apathy of my husband and felt as though someone is bound to try to keep me rather than let me go / push me away..
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We think like this because it's true. Having said this, women in the higher rating attracton scale are more prone to be liek this as they have the power to do so.
I've see multiple relationships end bad from it, I see how many girls my buddies who hve money gets... I see the level of temptation of a hot hot chick if she hasn't established a higher earning career (ususally the more attractive u are the less educated u are as a women)
Lots of truth to it. I also beleive very attractive women do marry for resources or someone perceived to be higher up than themselves.
I say attractive because that's who men care about and those are the ones with the power to mess men up - +1 y
A bottle service girl once told me love it guranteed and next thing that makes her happy is lifestyle. This is why women care for money so much. Aside frm love, everything they want is mainly attained with cash... nice clothes and that classic surgery that makes her feel good...
I respect the bottle service girl for being honest, I feel bad fr the very few minority of attractive girls who will be prejudiced but understandably and I feel no respect towards girls who act like this is offensive or a surprise but aren't about that life and want man to take care of them. Those are liars and part of the issue - +1 y
Love is not guranteed "
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@CoolSky01 not that alone but combined with abuse and lack of communication it's something I think about.
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no no iam not talking about abuse , i find it hard to believe that all of these divorces are about abuse , you married a man and made a promise to stay with him , so what if he doesn't communicate with you sometimes or makes you feel less loved? fix it not seek something new , seriosuly i know that girls can get laid easily but this si no way to treat men , fix your realtionship dont throw your husband like an old washing machine and go look for a new one , cause when you do to us you're just materialistic and want money and nothing more regardless of you feel about it.
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@CoolSky01 no I'm saying he's actually abusive... you don't find that to be a good reason?
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As i said leave the abusive situation aside for now cause its a legit reason. but out of the reasons i mentioned does it sound logical to you to divorce your man? if he lacks some communication skills, doesn't show his love as much as he used to be , feels a bit distant , are they really good reasons to ruin two lives and break the mans heart? take me for example iam quite passionate and care about someone when iam intersted but i happen to be a bit cold and not really that emotional and dont show it sometimes , would you divorce me? thats my question is it legit to divorce your man just because he doesn't talk or show love as much anymore?
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@coolsky01no I think those are easier issues to fix.
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Thank you. It's so sad that they don't see as individuals, just gold digging succubi.
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I'm so sorry to hear you're in such a difficult situation. I hope that things get better for you.
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@RedThread and @BellePepper you guys are very sweet. It's just my thing in life to figure out but there are good times too. 😊
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Sorry for speaking the truth.
+1 yBecause woman have unreal expectations and think TV and movies is how their reality is supposed to be. They think their world is supposed to be perfect and when reality kicks in they put the blame on the man and bail. I've been with girls where it was one mistake and it's over. No bullshit.
And also, women get with so many of the wrong guys it's funny. I know a guy at work who is a complete moron and he just purposed to his g/f. She said yes and all I could tell him was good luck. I barely know him, but I told him it probably won't work out. He was like, nah uh, it's different with me and her. I just kinda rolled my eyes.80 ReplyFour divorces I've seen between people closest to were because:
1) Abusive husband who had control over his wife's money, recorded all her phone calls with her parents, and hit her while she was pregnant. Both wanted divorce but he wanted money.
2) Cheating husband after two decades of marriage and four kids. Wife wanted divorce.
3) Wife changed her mind and wanted the husband to stay at home while she worked (husband has a bit of a disability). Husband wanted divorce.
4) Wife felt like husband's mom was a burden to take care of and didn't want it (husband's mom had hepatitis C and died a year after the divorce). Wife wanted divorce.
There are a lot of reasons why people divorce. The stereotype is that woman wants the money and not the man anymore. Maybe celebrities popularized this... idk?55 Reply- +1 y
Wife no.4 sounds like a cruel bitch and the husband had a lucky escape
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She must have wrote her own vows @Clungesponge90 out went "for better or worse" and In went "for better and not if your bitch mother decides to get sick and be a burden"
Personally @loohah I know loads of women who divorced because they found another or wanted money. - +1 y
@Clungesponge90 yeah she was my uncle's wife and my grandmother was the one who died. I have a cousin I've never met because he's with her. =/
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It is mostly women who cheat and trust a women to divorce her husband because he had a disability, that is typical.
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@TimeSplitters123 Yes, she was pure ice and he was a kind man who luckily got remarried to someone else and is happy. Dude, chill out with lashing out at women, would ya? I don't know the statistics, but I'm willing to bet they are pretty close. Regardless, I was cheated on and I'm a woman. In fact, I was made the "other girl" and didn't know it while this guy cheated on his original girlfriend. Double the cheater. I would never draw a conclusion about most men based on one inconsiderate jerk.
+1 yIf a man has a sexy, beautiful, fun mistress on the side, and a faithful loving wife who cooked, cleaned, ironed, raised his children and kept a beautiful, stable, comfortable home for him, why would he ever file for divorce? He's already got the best of both worlds. He's got zero incentive to pop that perfect bubble.
Eventually that sweet, faithful, loving wife is going to catch him sleeping around, and yes... she is going to file for divorce. Because she deserves better, and she's sick of being taken advantage of.
And, yes; half the time, the tables are turned and it's the woman who is heartless, selfish and cruel. The solution? Pay attention to your partner. Be open to their wants and ideas, and57 Reply- +1 y
actually men are more likely to file for divorce because of their spouses infedelity then women. Over half of mens filings was due to spousal infidelity while for women over half are sited as irreconcilable differences.
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Women cheat more then men.
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Huh... seeing how many men downvotes this, I have to wonder how many of them think women should just tolerate that type of treatment, because they feel they are entitled to both a wife and a lover. Because if they read to the end if my comment, I did recognize that women do the same, and just as often.
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Oh... well I didn't mean to come across as offensive. I just stated what I have seen come to pass in many instances. I pointed out at the end that women do it just as often. I just think monogamy is not necessarily a built in part of human nature. It's more of a social construct, and not everyone can adhere to it for a lifetime. That's all. My attitude toward men is healthier than you might think. I just happen to be a realist.
I think it's mostly because guys are really bad at breaking up with a girl. We don't know how to do it. Like, what do you say to get them to leave you alone without hurting them?
Plus, the joke is that men are afraid of commitment. But that's not true. The truth is that guys take commitment seriously. Girls don't seem to take it as seriously - or at least not as guys define it. To a guy, committing to someone means they are committing to them as they are. When girls commit to someone the first thing they do is try to change them - that's not commitment to a person, that's commitment to a project. And when that project doesn't work out, they just drop it.30 Reply
+1 yOne observation I made last night with a friend (she is filing for divorce cause her husband is a dick) I believe many men are not happy with their partner. Men settle more than women. that's why you find married men cheating all the time. the problem with this is that when you choose 2nd prize, and see some with their 1st prize, it's starts eating at a man. He starts resenting his girl when all along its his own poor choice that got him into the mess. Then he becomes a total dick to her. Then that shows and she rightfully files for a divorce. the guy won't do it. A guy who settles is also too much of a pussie to take control over his own life yet alone file for a divorce.
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+1 yOne time, I've read that woman didn't hesitate to divorce or break up even when they were pregnant. The explanation was that when those women realize that they fell out of love, they want more for themselves. They don't want to settle in a relationship that don't fulfill them. They believe that their will have a brighter future on their own or with someone else so they don't hesitate to take the divorce decision.
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Whatever navigates or gives them intuition of what fulfillment is like or towards it comes from an ideology of what love and relationships look like. Hollywood and art has too much influence in this department in shaping the way women think. It's unrealistic and romance is glorified materialism while 80 percent of the world is poor. Add the influence of feminism and double standards that follow.
Marrying most women in the western society as a traditional man is a mistake.
Most women in fact are not built for a lasting marriage or to make a man happy. It's doomed for failure.
Both sexes have objectified each other to the max while being intolerant to the max - +1 y
@CoolSky01 Your comment is brilliant. Short, to the point and true.
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@HaveNoName Thank you , iam just being honest , like no one is stupid enough to believe that , I don't know if women try convincing themselves that but i sure as hell dont buy neither does any dude i know
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@CoolSky01 Lots of people have mentioned on here that finances are a huge reason. It may not really be an emotional decision.
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My sister divorced because she fell out of love all of a sudden even though the guy did nothing wrong and was great provider while my sister was and is frankly work shy and lazy. When I asked her about how the kids would take it her answer was that "kids are tough". Since when have kids ever been tough. Anyway for some reason she thought he was going to support her financially and pay all the bills and mortgage as before but was very mistaken. He was very smart dispite no prenup he just took out huge loans against everything he owned so that he owned no actual assests and had his father hold the money as cash tgen he sold his land and farm equipment to his father so that when the solicitors and child support agency came looking for money he was in debt and couldn't pay not to mention the second mortgage taken out. So my sister had to go and get a job but eventually lost the house which her ex bought back five years later cheaply and moved his new younger wife and baby in
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My nephews and nieces decided to live with their father rather than mother as they hated their new abusive twat of a father in law. My sister didn't see how good she had it.
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@Clungesponge90 Oh my, that story is Beautiful! Props to the guy, he was smart!
because guys and girls think and work differently. Girls usually endure and keep their hurt inside, never expressing any issues they might be having. Or even if they do, guys just don't seem to take it seriously. So the pain piles up in a woman's heart, while a guy is relaxed and settled and thinks everything is working smoothly. So when a woman decides that she's had enough, she will decide to leave. Only when a woman finally decides to get out of the relationship will a guy actually start to analyse his mistakes and what went wrong. So yeah, women usually see the issues immediately and men most of the time see reality in hindsight.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yWhy keep the cow when you can get the milk delivered to your door for free?
Now that women can get everything in a divorce why stay married? Just steal the milk. Now that women are creating a new 'me' culture for themselves, tend to avoid personal responsibility, think that they should be accepted exactly as they are because women are just awesome, bring little to a marrage, and think of marriage as a contract only to be honered when times are good, we now see the consequences of that. Now men are turning away from marriage and to a lesser extent women in general. That says a lot about how things are going. Despite what women think of themselves as a sex, the reality is they aren't as awesome as they think.
Women love to bitch about men's shitty behaviour throughout history. And are now acting shitty themselves rather than creating something better. Apparently that's the best they can do even with the knowledge of how shitty a unbalanced society is.60 ReplyWell, like you mention infidelity could be a reason. Men cheat more than women and most women won't take back a cheating man anymore they refuse to deal with it. The relationship has gone down heel, neither partner has tried to work on it, men in general don't initiate things that are going to ruffle some tale feathers so the woman does. But in general marriage isn't what it used to be, people get married to divorce. Nobody treats each other with respect in marriages , or continues to woo one another. Hence why marriage today is only a legal contract and nothing else, I will never get married. But why do people have to marry to have legal rights to each other in 2016 is beyond me, not progressive at all.
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You make a valid point, but I'm pretty sure both sexes cheat in almost equal amounts. Men may have a slightly higher percentage, but not by much.
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Fair enough, but this notion of females being the fairer sex and guys being sex crazed dogs is BS. The statistics show that.
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abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=13885519
Statistically even.
+1 yIt has to do with unfair custody laws that favor women. When there is no children involved men and women file for divorce at about the same rate. When there are children involved it is rare for a man to file for divorce, and if he does, then he believes for some reason he can prove she is an unfit mother and keep custody. Basically anyone with kids that files for divorce thinks they will be able to get custody of the children.
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+1 yCynical? So they get a big cheque and a house...
Less cynical - because they expect too much of men. Bought up spoiled by daddy with an expectation that men are knights in shining armour ready to come riding in on a white steed to rescue them from boredom. Which happens at the start of a relationship. Then they get left alone at home or whatever and get bored again... thinking is this my life for ever? Maybe there's something better out there? Never realising that it's partly their fault also that the relationship is stale. It requires work from oth parties to rescue it. But the man doesn't think there is a problem because he's at work, out with friends etc having a good time whilst wife is at home doing the laundry. She talks to him about - he gets pissed off because she couches it as a criticism of him - when he thinks his "job" (provide shelter, food, security and children) are being done well...10 Reply
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yThe women did all of the administrative work in the marriage, so she continues to do it in the divorce. I personally know a handful of divorces where the woman did the filing, but the man had moved out with someone else! Not that it's never the woman's fault... Just that she usually files either way.
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This is a really good point.
Because women are often more in love with the idea of being in love. It's said that women want commitment more, yet often don't stick with it. People say women mature more about love and relationships, yet in the end really haven't developed to know exactly what they want or need.
I also notice that when men are really serious about a relationship, he sticks with it. That's why men call for divorce far less. When they marry, they often know more that it's what they want and they're happy with the woman. This isn't the case for all men, but I think it is for most.00 Reply
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yIn countries where men keep the house and kids men file for divorce.
In countries where women keep the house and kids they file for divorce far more often.
I recall reading about one country in Northern Europe that was trying to make 50/50 physical custody of kids with minimal child support the norm (since each parent had similar costs). The rate women filed for divorce dropped from being twice men's level to roughly the same level.
It's not that women divorce thinking they can get stuff. It's that unhappy women are less likely to stay out of fear of losing their children.43 Reply
Opinion Owner+1 y@Bandiit74 Most middle eastern countries I believe. No idea on africa.
+1 yUnlike my ex husband I felt that getting an annulment was absolutely necessary and we never split anything. He wanted to get a divorce so he could clean me out (his words), but me being quick on my feet I went to get the annulment papers and it was over in three months.
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+1 yI think it's because divorces benefit them more. They get a lot more material stuff.
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lmfao look at the downvotes, must be the divorcees.
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I wish I could give you ten more upvotes.
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This is because they consider only present value, and are too stupid to compare against the future productivity of the intact couple.
In the long run -- and even in the not-so-long-run, just a few years -- they'll become far worse off financially than if they'd stayed married. - +1 y
They have lost their moral qualities.
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Typical girls down rating you.
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Wow, you must be on to something, that's a lot of upvotes.
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@MargaritaPeach I don't think I have ever had such a highly voted comment before this one, and it's actually quite a simple one. o-o
But it's true, there is much less risk involved in a marriage for a woman than a man. They can easily quit the marriage without really losing anything, as they get child support and custody, and they dictate the terms. - +1 y
That's true, and I have always found that to be a little unfair. You never know what can happen, so you should never have more kids than you can care for in your own to begin with. The man has a basic duty to help support his offspring, sure; but our justice system is very unfair to guys in that respect.
In my opinion there some evidence why women initiate divorce in much more chances than men:
- Most women like changes, about a lot things: friends, interests, way of life... Why not to think they also like changing her partner more than men? I have also noticed that feelings about some people are weaker in women than in men, a perfect combination to be more interested in divorce.
- Most women required much higher attention than men from friends, their partner and this makes much easier for them to break up a friendship or a marriage.
- Every women know that the justice usually give them the family home, the custody of all their children and an important part of their husband's salary, so their new economic situation won't be worse. And if they want to have another partner, they will have it easier than their husband to find a new partner.00 ReplyFor three main reasons. Women are more emotional than men and are unpredictable. The brainwashing of the media and feminism encourages women to not need a man. And the divorce laws are set up to benefit women in most cases. This is a deliberate agenda by the government to destroy marriage and family. In the natural we are beyond repair. Too much damage has been done. Things will never be the same again, which is why I'll never get into another relationship ever again. Screw western women, and screw the government.
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+1 yAs has been said, women stand to gain A LOT more from divorce than men. Heck, the entire system of marriage is catered towards women and women only. Men really don't get much besides the title of husband.
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Men get way out of any relationship, period. Women make the relationship FIRST while men make us 2nd, 3rd or last and their life and careers are first. Women invest more of themselves into a marriage and even moreso if they had children.
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@BrunetteNYC that's quite the generalization.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThere are a number of reasons. The main ones
1. A divorce is a financially beneficial option to a woman vs a man. It benefits the woman more whereas the man is the one that loses everything. There isn't even a fear about child custody unless some extreme reason the woman by default gets it
2. Women are generally short sighted and emotionally impulsive. I. e a 20 year old dating a 40 year old without thinking about how bad that is long term. The guy will likely die over 20 years earlier than her.
If they feel upset, there isn't an act on logic and reason but instead emotion
3. Women have less of a fear than men of being emotionally destroyed. Women fall in love quicker but also fall out of love much quicker10 Reply
+1 yBecause she didn't sign the prenup and upon realizing marriage isn't what she thought, she sees independence through taking half of his money.
Women date and marry for resources of men.90 Reply
+1 yA lot of women start that process because many men do not even know what they want and a lot of them cheat on their wives just because they think they can and also think they are god's gift to women.. and to satisfy the big ego's that a lot of them have they also feel they will never get caught at it.. but they all do eventually.. all the power to the women when they get rid of the cheating jerks who do that sort of thing to them
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+1 yDivorce benefits women and there's no disencentive to do so. Also, family courts make it VERY EASY for women to just jack him for all his stuff and enslave him into financial servitude.
This wasn't the case before no-fault divorce. Now, a woman can cheat on a man, then divorce him for no reason, AND still make him pay.50 Reply
+1 yBecause the law and divorce settlements are on their side. They can take their husband to the cleaners, keep the kids (if they want) and then get smashed by an plethora of dudes.
100 Reply400 opinions shared on Break Up & Divorce topic. in my opinion it is because most women overly idealize the romantic idea of marriage, and realize marriage is not what they imagined.
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Yeah wut?
Dude gurlz b da sharx, who tend to view the marriage contract as... a contract. Like, a business contract.
You are almost certainly thinking of the way women romanticize WEDDINGS, dude. That's a completely different animal.
+1 yBecause girls want a wedding--not a marriage. When men consider marriage, they consider what its gonne be like AFTER the wedding, and they prepare themselves for maintaining a marriage.
Women are just focused on looking pretty for their fairy tale wedding.31 Reply- +1 y
And waiting until the husband has enough in his bank account.
+1 ySome women just get tired of their husbands bullshit. Others, as previously stated, had an idea in mind when marrying them but that idea didn't pan out & the real person came out. I don't know just a thought. I initiated my divorce so I'm not sure for all females. But for me I got tired of his lack of effort towards our marriage. At first I just wanted to separate but then it lead to divorce eventually. If I had it to do over I'd have done it differently.
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+1 yMen don't hear us while we're willing to stay, wanting to work it out, and so our needs go unmet and eventually we get fed up with being neglected/hurt, so we're the ones who away. It's only AFTER we've been pushed THAT far when men finally wake up and get it that we meant it.
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I think you have a valid point. I must admit that most men are oblivious as to how their wives feel and what's going on with them. I also think part of the reason for this is women aren't always exactly clear and direct about what they want and why.
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@Knuckles77 It's both, some don't open up to be heard and then some men just don't listen. I've seen guys over and over believe that because they were happy it meant everything was fine no matter what the wife said. Maybe men think 'if she's here, she's happy,' and then only realize she's not once she's gone? lol
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No. What I think it is is men tend to project how happy they may be on their mate, or when dating project their interest level on to the female they're seeing, then are stunned when they get dumped.
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yWomen are more likely to be the victims of domestic abuse and because of that it makes them more likely to file for divorce.
When men cheat again women are more likely to file for divorce, because had the woman not of found out most would of happily carried on with their marriage. Also men statistically cheat more then women so again, it's the woman filing for divorce.
there's already two reasons why women are more likely to file for divorce.
However men aren't always the ones in the wrong and women may file for divorce for financial gain or to keep their children to themselves.20 Reply
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yPossible reasons:
1. Many women settle when it comes to marriage and they only do it because of social pressure. The guy they settle for is not the guy they truly lust for or want and so they end up being sexual/emotional frustrated in having to see him everyday and pretend they love him. This builds up until they divorce.
2. Some women marry men for their money and are just looking for any excuse to divorce them to take 1/2.
3. Many women place all the entertainment, romance and basically keeping the relationship fun and exciting on men. When the man gets "comfortable" and stop putting out. Woman gets bored, falls out of love and divorces. Rather than trying herself.10 Reply"because social scientists previously argued that women were more likely to initiate divorce simply because they were more sensitive to relationship difficulties. If that were true, women would initiate divorce and breakups at equal rates" -Huffington Post
10 ReplyI'm going to be going through this whole thing soon. I have been married to my wife for 16 years and we have 3 children together. I have never cheated or abused her in any way and worked hard to support my family so she could stay home and not work for almost 13 years to be with the kids. Now, she comes out to me and tells me she realizes she's lesbian and isn't happy being with a man anymore and wants to divorce. Even telling me I have done nothing wrong. She told me she wants us to work out a mutual agreement without lawyers because she doesn't feel it's right to take me for child support and spousal support since she's the one that wants to leave the marriage for her own personal reasons. As long as I'm going to be there in the kids lives and help support them. I guess we'll just see how this will all play out when it comes time to file and go before the judge.
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I'm sorry to hear you're going through so many shocking changes. I hope things work out and get better for you.
+1 y1. Divorce laws tend to favor the wife.
2. All too many women have unrealistic expectations about marriage to begin with! They want men to be sensitive and caring, but then strong and leading as well. They want men who accomodate their career desires, but still earn more, so they are good providers. They want the man nurturing, but then they want him aggressive. They want a stud in bed, but then they want him to not pressure her into sex. Well guess what? That's. Not. Realistic.10 Reply
+1 yWhy do you think it's mostly women who initiate divorce?
In my opinion it's because divorce is the only benefit from marriage for gals as marriage is generally sh*t for gals where the male has the advantage. Plus I find most gals idealize males and romanticize marriage and reality hits them hard when to me they find out how sh*tty most males are in pair bonding and teamwork.17 Reply- +1 y
Are you kidding guys are brilliant at teamwork have you ever worked in an office full of females who rather than do their jobs gossip and bitch behind each others backs, the younger they are the worse.
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I have worked in an office and found it is males who tend to bitch and gossip however when gals do it it is being catty while when males do so it is just roughhousing or playing around. Though I find most behaviors tend to be dismissed or excused I'm males while raged on in gals.
In my experience males cannot do teamwork as they continously try to be the leader. And when it comes to gals it seems most guys think ala gender roles by virtue of having a dick they are the de facto leader. I find guys rarely can work as a team with any as it would mean being equals and they completely suck at working as a team with gals because they do not regard gals as equals. - +1 y
I doubt your account very much having years of experience over you in the work place. Guys mostly keep their heads down and do their work withoit drama.
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@Clungesponge90
My account also includes many people male and female who probably have way more experience than you (40 years). - +1 y
Well 40years vs your 3 as part of the work force is literally a lifetime of experience.
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@Spermdumpster666
"Well 40years vs your 3 as part of the work force is literally a lifetime of experience."
I question your reading skills. First off the 40 years are my account not his. Second off where did you get 3 years from? Show me where I stated I have 3 years experience. - +1 y
@Spermdumster666
"Well 40years vs your 3 as part of the work force is literally a lifetime of experience."
I question your reading skills. First off the 40 years are my account not his. Second off where did you get 3 years from? Show me where I stated I have 3 years experience.
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+1 ywhy would a guy want to divorce? they lose half their stuff if they have no marital contract and on top of that they have to pay alimony as if we´re not living in a equal society, where women can´t get a fucking job xD
70 Reply because women benefit financially from divorce. also the modern women sleeps with lots of men which inhibits her ability to pair bond.
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Look at those bitter women who can't hack the truth, down rating and then they complain about men not respecting them. You have just spoken the truth.
I think most divorces initiated by women are because of financial issues and they fell out of love with their husbands. The guy cheating certainly isn't at the top of the list.
I think the woman cheating is the top reason for guys to initiate the divorce.
So women are hypergamous and/or don't believe in the love they claim they do. I also agree with the anony user that said men have more to lose from a divorce as well. Some of the laws on that are insane, especially for the 21st century.31 ReplyFeminism destroyed in them their fairy tale i. e. the prince and the princess story. They now still expect everything from the man, but giving back nothing and pretending to be independent (they can't though). They think for example that it is humiliating to do the housewife's work. But a modern man stills likes that stereotype or an updated version of it. When he decides not to step back she files for divorce.
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+1 ybecause they never let shit go. Women hold onto the tiniest shit like it is the last tampon in the store on a heavy day. Never hold a grudge ladies. My ex brought up shit from our wedding 20 years ago. WTF?
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+1 yLegally, women have the advantage in a divorce case.
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+1 yBriffaults Law.
Women only honour their agreements under circumstances that directly benefit them. Men will generally honour their agreements.
Beware the woman who cries she is trapped in her marriage, she is actually crying that she is required to honour her commitment, at least for now.
Women break the mutual agreement of marriage over 80% of the time. This is an expected result under Briffaults Law, google it for further information and let people know what you think.10 Reply
+1 yI think it's because guys naturally keep a hold of everything even if it's in pieces. We keep meaning to repair it later but if it hasn't broken outright there are other things that take priority. That and women hint at problems or leave it to the man to pick up on non verbal signals. When we as men need it spelled out and ranked on importance.
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you need a ranking? lol
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@thewanderingme importance to one person does not mean the same to another. In example "Something is not right between us" could mean anything and does not clarify importance. Is it of immediate importance? Is it something that needs to be worked on gradually? Are we as men supposed to guess and hope we have a solution at the ready? There is nothing spelled out in that or similar statements. Citing specific problems is preferred with realistic goals. If the problem is "lack of communication" how are we not communicating, emotionally, physically, verbally? How can we improve that? Is there a course or video to watch? Do you know how we can go about changing that? Men need a direct course of action on how to fix the problem not vague statements that could imply many different things.
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I've attempted to directly tell guys what the issues were in the past and they just got upset.
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@thewanderingme My friends and I would honestly have welcomed the info if it had been given to us at the time. If it did upset us it would only be because no one likes to hear complaints about themselves too much but would help in the long run if we really loved the woman.
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ahh, you see! in reality you would just take it as a complaint. I always suggest a solution, but sometimes their not really wanted. men get comfortable and don't want to change anything.
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@thewanderingme So any time someone points out your flaws, you thank them for it?
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I probably don't thank them, but I take a mental note of it, if I agree.
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@thewanderingme So you see I may get grumpy but I will think on it and adapt as quick as I can to the feedback.
A theory of mine is that some women have wildly unrealistic romantic expectations about marriage (like this toxic idea of the *soulmate*) and become very dissappointed when they find out what it is really about. Marriage is just a legal contract which is very hard to break (divorce is a legal war). and on a day to day basis a married couple is just another relationship, which is simply having sex sometimes, and trying to tolerate each other each day.
10 Replyprobably cause womens always act like marriage is heaven and you see that a lot online. now it is easier to make the one who cares most about it be the victim. but like all the shit you see/hear this equals white knights, all men r jerks, girls who have lots of sex r bitches and so on. whereever you got it from try to understand me and you will see through the matrix
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yHer emotional needs aren't met, she may feel neglected. Or maybe the husband cheated on her. Maybe because of the neglect from her husband she cheated. Not saying it's right, but this is why I am not getting married. A long term partner in life would be great, but people change over time.
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+1 yThat's a good question. My sister in law recently forced my brother to set their divorce in motion. She was having mental issues, and I think still does. And a couple of my uncles have divorced/separated from their wives as well. One wasn't by his choice and the other was a mutual decision between him and his wife (I think). Otherwise, my whole family has remained married. There's no telling if there will be any in the future, but hopefully not.
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I meant there is no telling if there will be any divorces in the future.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yMen generally have more to lose with a divorce than women.
80 ReplyBecause men, would rather stay in a bad relationship, then risk being alone.
When they ask middle aged men what their biggest fear is, it's being alone10 Replymen get married three times as often as women do.. maybe the guys push the woman to divorce so they can get out fault free.
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Well the fact that men pay alimoney 80% of the time which is for life until the woman is married would suggest it is beneficial for a woman to not marry again. No such benfit exists for men.
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Huh the what you say now? Men get married 3x as often as women do?
That's statistically impossible, unless you live in some backward-ass country where the average man has 3 wives. Wha? - +1 y
How is that possible without at least as many gay marriages as hetero marriages? Can you show us your working in that equation?
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If men get married three times as often must be all marrying the same women
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Yes because men really like being taken for all their hard earned money don't they.
+1 yPop music, the view, jealous gfs on facebook messing with them, the fakeness of facebook, and dramas they watch, college takes on history and sociology, and maybe cause they came from a broken home.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yI asked a question like this way back and it's almost always the woman filing, and it's mostly she isn't happy because things just aren't going anywhere while the men are fine and complacent but the woman always needs change and something new and the fact that she dosent lose in the divorce because they know they will get half , and child support and alimony possibly , there really isn't much to deter them from going ahead with it for a new life
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+1 yBecause most women want textbooks definitions of romance and when they can't have it they leave.
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+1 yim not really sure, I haven't heard about much divorces or any in my family in general but if it were up to me I'd work it out unless he would keep doing the same thing over and over
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yProbably because they marry guys that are financially stable and someone they can tolerate. They don't truly like the guy and just went with him because he's a stable choice that has money to raise the kid. Then after the kid has grown up or they can't stand the guy anymore they file for divorce. Divorce isn't as much as a hindrance when they generally marry up so they get financially compensated for it.
00 ReplyI would say women are often too quick to want to get married, because they are extremely scared of dying alone. Men don't have these feelings as much so when they get married they have their hearts set more.
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I've read men are actually more likely to settle on a woman they consider "good enough" while not actually being in love much more than women do.
+1 yBecause in Western countries, the law is biased in favour of women, and they alway's get a divorce settlement, half of what the man earns. They clearly divorce for the pay out. Yet is normally the woman who is too blame.
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