22LR Toy or tool?

[Anonymous]

My vote is that they're toys, not guns. That's not to say they aren't fun to shoot, but I see little use for them outside of shooting at the range. It's far too weak for self defense (in a study of real self defense situations, .22lr failed to stop the attacker 34% of the time regardless of shots hit and shot placement, which is tied with.25 acp for the worst round in the entire study), it's too weak for pest control and I view it as inhumane, and I don't see a use for it.

Toy

Tool

[Exterminatore]

I say both. Certainly fine for picking off pesky squirrels and woodchucks. Ammo is as cheap and plentiful as it comes. In a SHTF scenario, despite it not being powerful, it may be the best option for a rifle. You can easily backpack 1000 rounds of this and still have room for everything else in your pack. Can you do that with.223? I don’t think so. So I say tool there.

Let me say also it’s a toy. Guns, to be clear including Bebe and pellet guns are not “toys” presay. However they are fun little rifles for doing some non serious plinking with, and you can go hog wild with the ammo and it will cost what? $20.00 for a 500 round brick of 22LR?

[NearlyNapping]

Have you ever seen a butcher kill a 1200 pound bull with a 22LR? You hear the shot and see the bull drop at the same time.

It's certainly not the best round for self defense, but it's a hell of a lot better than nothing.

"22lr failed to stop the attacker 34% of the time regardless of shots hit and shot placement"

How the hell do you even test for something like this? Ask for volunteers? Regardless of shot placement? Shot placement is how you take down a 1200 pound bull in one shot. Even with a 44 mag you can't stop them if you miss.

[Asker]

The study took real world instances where people were attacked and they had to use a gun to protect themselves, a shot had to have been fired to have been accounted. When using a gun chambered in.22lr, 34% of the assailants fought through it and kept on coming regardless of how many shots the defender landed and shot placement. Compared to 9mm which had only a 13% failure rate, most defenders used ball ammo 9mm, if they'd used hollow points, that number would be even lower.

[NearlyNapping]

You can't say that shot placement didn't matter. If you hit the target right, they WILL stop.

Obviously a 9MM will have more energy and stop a person more easily than a 22. But a 22 is far from being a toy and should never be thought of as one. Just the threat of a gun will stop the large majority of crimes.

I don't know what kind of situations these were that were studied, but shots actually being fired isn't the norm. When a weapon gets drawn, the crime should stop right then. I've done it myself, and the other people had no idea what kind of weapon I had. All they saw was a weapon pointed at them and they decidec they weren't so interested in the crime any more. There were four of them and one of me, but they decided it just wasn't worth it.

[Asker]

Well, the point of the study was to get an idea as to the real world effectiveness of certain rounds and the.22lr failed that test terribly

[Dav1ss]

Aren't guns kinda toys unless they are being used entirely for self defence

[Dav1ss]

Only response mho thanks lol

[7771999]

Not toys, and not tools.

I'm not sure what they're useful for. Except for a bit of shooting practice fun. In that aspect it's like a toy.

[Reddwolf]

I had a Marlin 22 lr that I has sighted in right at 200 yards so mine was a tool

[chriscdi]

its just a bb shot with more strength lol