College Frat Initiation? over thinking it?

[Anonymous]

I'm a 20 year old guy and I'm thinking of joining a frat in college this fall. However this frat is well known for their one main initiation. They do what they refer to as 'art night', a night where our frat 'teams up' with a sorority...they set up an art studio where the sorority sisters draw and sketch the new guys. Essentially the new guys must act as 'life models' for our sorority sisters...in other words, we must model fully nude, in front of our sorority sisters.

The official idea being that we must respect our sisters and must not keep any secrets or hide anything from them. But in reality I think the idea is to somewhat humiliate the new guys by having them stand, fully nude, while a bunch of girls stare intently and draw you. Unfortunately, only the new frat members pose nude for the sorority sisters...the sisters never do anything like that as part of their initiation...so although they get to see us nude, we never get to see them.

I have a friend that is in the sorority, so I'm a bit worried about being nude in front of her. From what I understand, obviously there is a bit of giggling from the girls and whatnot and it seems a bit unfair that they get to see us, but we never get to see them.

I guess I don't mind being nude in front of a female friend that much and I know she will find it comical, but it kind of bums me out that I won't get to see her nude like she'll be seeing me. Am I over thinking this? Like it annoys me that she and the other girls will see everything I have, but I don't get to see any of them. Maybe I should just stop worrying and we'll just join and hopefully everything goes okay?

[Anonymous]

Alright sign me up! Id'e be to worried about getting a boner in front of them though, it's bound to happen someone will get one.

No I don't think your over reacting and it is a big unfair but, you have to realize girls aren't like us men, they are more sensitive about their bodies and the men would definitely oggle and objectify the women if they were nude and it's just sexist to me.

They would be worried about being considered unattractive or someone would call her fat, or ugly YOU NEVER CALL A GIRL FAT EVEN IF YOUR PLAYING! IT WILL REALLY HURT THEM.

They take it way more personal, and I'm sure the guys aren't complaining about getting naked in front of chicks.

But I can see some funny things happening man... Like the women drawing the penises extra small and making fun of some of the guys or something lol.

[Asker]

lol Thanks. I guess your right...girls usually do need more privacy/modesty, so I guess it's good their keeping their clothing on. So you don't really think of it as unfair because guys usually aren't private right? And yeah, I can see the girls drawing all the guys with extra small penises! lol So you wouldn't have any trouble participating? Do you mind me asking how old you are? lol

[Opinion Owner]

I'm 20, and shy so no I wouldn't do it or don't think I would. I was dared to get on the balconey when I was about 11 or 12 and scream bloody marry 3 times but am shyer now than when I was a kid, weird how that worked out.

[Asker]

Alright. But overall you don't think it's too unfair? And you think I should just go for it?

[Opinion Owner]

go for it.

[wpmason]

Oh no! A girl might see my tinkle.

Seriously? Frats are absolutely stupid and I love to see them all shut down, but this is just stupid.

[pickledxtofu]

Initiation =/= pledging

Initiation is private and it's done ONLY among members because you recite/sing any chants/songs/tunes/whistles, do secret handshakes/gestures and say your pledge.

And initiation is secret.

You're talking about pledging and even then, it sounds like you're going off of tent talk.

That sounds a bit ridiculous as they'd get in trouble with their hq's if it was that well known.

[Enideqa]

Not saying I am right but perhaps in some instances drawing guys nude will lead to giggles and drawing when there is a chance for guys drawing girls nude it would be seen as more sexual and not as playful. I could be way off, but anyways I say you may be over thinking things a little, if it is something that you don't agree with or feel comfortable with then don't do it. It doesn't seem so bad to me.

[Asker]

Thanks. So overall you think I am over-thinking it when I was saying it seems unfair? I agree that girls are usually more modest about their bodies, so I guess it is good they are staying clothed. Overall you personally would be fine participating?

[Enideqa]

I think overall I would be OK with, on either side. To me my body is my body, flesh, muscle, bone etc. as long as I didn't get some dude trying to harass me and I felt safe, it would all be good.

[Asker]

Thanks. So overall you are saying you would be fine with either sketching or modeling?

[Enideqa]

Yep

[523206720]

Girls won't take it personally seeing you nude cause they see all the guys nude at the same time. It's up to you whether or not you want to join the frat. I think this weeds out all the decent and moral guys that you would actually want in your fraternity.

[Asker]

Thanks. So if you were a girl in the sorority, how would you feel about doing the sketches? You don't think it is a good initiation I take it?

[523206720]

I wouldn't be ashamed if I saw a guy naked at a frat party but I'm must saying that decent guys will not want to participate in that. Think about it - do you want a guy that's modest, humble, respectful, and keeps his distance from others - or do you want a guy who thinks it's okay to see random woman naked?

[Asker]

Not sure what you mean? I mean it's part of the initiation...all of the sorority girls are fully clothed for it...it's just the new frat guys are required to 'model' fully nude...so essentially the clothed girls sketch the nude guys...I mean you wouldn't feel comfortable with it? Or you just think it's ridiculous?

[523206720]

I think it's a shameful thing to do.

[Asker]

So as a girl would you refuse to sketch the guys then? Or you would participate since you are clothed?

[aMuse]

If you're hung, you'll get laid, if not, welp... lol

[Jdunnnn]

Go for it bro. Being a frat gets you hella good connections so initiation is worth it. If you don’t want to join that frat I’d recommend PIKE.