What can you say about the drug "Green Amore"?

[MrMafioso]

So about 4-5 days ago a tragedy happened in our country PH wherein 5 partygoers during a concert were found unconscious. Their internal organs like blew up. Yikes!

-Known as “fly high,” “party,” or “superman” in the local party scene, the drug is a dangerous cocktail of ecstasy (3-4 methylenedioxymethamphetamine) and shabu (methamphetamine) or cialis, a drug used to treat erectile dysfunction.
-Its effects? Between 3 to 4 days of insomnia, loss of appetite, and hyper sexuality.
-“You don’t eat for 3 or 4 days and you don’t feel the hunger... You don’t sleep for an extended period of time and you’re active. According to information gathered from the field, with 'fly high' you’re very sexually activate and very sexually satisfied".

[redeyemindtricks]

Mixing Ecstasy with methamphetamine is stupid, because methamphetamine by itself already has empathogenic effects similar to Ecstasy's.
Read here:
healthland.time.com/.../
I've read the study that they cited, and that summary is pretty accurate. (Scientific studies are often significantly misrepresented in mainstream publications, probably more because the writers can't properly understand them than because of any intent to deceive.)

So... yeah.

In any case, **IF** these drugs were actually pure, then there should be no particular danger. Yes, amphetamine-family drugs can kill you -- but that would only happen if you were predisposed to cardiac issues, and/or if you took MANY times the usual recreational dosages.

Cialis, Viagra, etc. are phosphodiesterase-5 inhibitors. PDE5 inhibitors don't interact in any significant way with the action of dopamine/norepinephrine/serotonin reuptake inhibitors (like meth and Ecstasy), so, there is also no reason to think there would be any problem with adding Cialis to the mix.

In other words -- If there was a problem here, then the problem was DEFINITELY caused by whatever shit impurities were added by the dealer cutting the drugs. And/or impurities produced during the manufacture of the drugs.

If you could get pharmaceutical-grade Desoxyn and Cialis, and use them infrequently enough to avoid developing an addiction/tolerance, then, you'd be perfectly safe. And you'd probably have a pretty awesome party experience, too.

[MrMafioso]

Wow. You studied all these things?

[YoungJuice]

Definitely wasn't pure considering organs were found exploded?

[redeyemindtricks]

@YoungJuice Ya, seriously. Street drugs... smh.

Asker -- A big part of my living depends on my knowing lots of things about lots of different kinds of drugs, legal or otherwise.

[MrMafioso]

@YoungJuice Yes. Local authorities said the effect was similar to swallowing an explosive.

[MrMafioso]

Nice to hear about that. But it goes down to one thing: drug overdose.

[redeyemindtricks]

Nah. Overdoses of THESE drugs don't make "internal organs explode".

The adverse effects of overdosing on these drugs pretty much won't involve any organ other than the heart. Excess doses of methamphetamine and Ecstasy can cause an infarction (heart attack). PDE5 inhibitors cause blood to redistribute more to extremities (hands and feet, in addition to the penis), thus increasing the overall workload on the heart.

So, if this were a genuine case of overdose (on the drugs these people actually THOUGHT they were taking, lol)... you'd see heart attacks and coronary vasospasm. Not "exploding internal organs".

No one EVER uses the phrase "internal organs" to refer to the heart in particular. They would just say heart attack.

So, yeah, nope -- the cause of death here has absolutely NOTHING to do with any of the drugs that are *supposed* to be in this stuff.

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By the way -- If anyone reading this thread DOES use methamphetamine, or Ecstasy, or Viagra/Cialis/other pde5 inhibitors --

[redeyemindtricks]

-- just don't drink alcohol when you are using any of those things.

Studies have shown that the combination of alcohol + methamphetamine increases heart rate by 30 beats per minute over just methamphetamine alone... and that study used a pretty moderate amount of alcohol, too (the equivalent of a couple shots over 30 minutes, if I remember right).

Also, alcohol + pde5 inhibitors can increase the risk of coronary vasospasm (= bursting/damage to the walls of the blood vessels leading to/from the heart).

Interestingly, studies have shown that it's possible to make Cialis or Viagra more potent by consuming... grapefruit juice, of all things.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../...03E726E80E71.f01t04

LOL The more you know...

[MrMafioso]

Thanks for the info!

[redeyemindtricks]

Sure.

[redeyemindtricks]

Tx for the MH luv <3

[Anonymous]

So sad but that happens sometimes when drugs are invovled. It's something they should have expected to happen

[SunnyCaliGirl]

That sounds SO HORRIBLE!!!

[MrMafioso]

I know. People are just so good making up names.

[Azgeda]

Darwinism at work.

[MrMafioso]

I have no idea what Darwinism means.