Is song "it's raining men" patriarchal, heteronormative and sexist?

[Schrodingerscat]

It assumes that all girls want men. All girls don't want men.- patriarchal and sexist

It also assumes that only women want men. What about gay and bi guys?
What about genderfluid pansexuals who are into men? - heteronormative

Yes, this is a offensive song

I'm already triggered

Not offensive

42 is the answer

[hellionthesagereborn]

How do you get that? If men ogle and so called "objectify" women, its because men are sexist pigs. IF women ogle and so called "objectify" men, its because men are sexist pigs. That's kind of bullshit. If anything its matriarchal as it objectifies men as men have been objectified through out our culture and history as we have been seen as a utility rather then people (hence forced conscription). I personally don't ascribe to the notion of objectification but you have a better argument for this being yet another incident of women objectifying men then it some how being sexist towards women. Even your view of this some how being sexist towards women shows how little you/society cares about men. Also heteronormative isn't a thing, heterosexuality IS the norm so its not some kind of false normal, its just normal. Now to be fair, I am guessing this is a joke on your part, however I cannot assume that because, well so many out their think like this. Its quite mind boggling.

[BigAl1982]

To understand feminist doctrine, you must understand the core belief is that all women are helpless children/subordinates and only men can be actors/superiors. That's the only way men can be blamed for all that is wrong with the world while simultaneously being given none of the credit for any of the good. Otherwise, the wheels fall off the misandrist bandwagon and feminist theory crumbles.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@BigAl1982 Oh I am well acquainted with feminist doctrine, not a big fan. And yes that's about how it works.

[brennanhuff]

Since gay men are more visual than straight women and "guy" crazy than straight women, I believe the song better relates to gay men than straight women. Women love men, but how many women wished it was really "raining men"? Ever see women go to a bar or place full of men? or where's there more men than women? Straight men will be at such place in a hurry if more women than men. And if it wasn't for homophobia, more gay men would be at places full of men or more men than women. I just watched that music video, the dudes are in speedos lol and many women don't even find men in speedos sexy let alone like that. Gay men more often to be aroused by men in skimpy stuff lik that or sexualized. There's a flamboyance to it that I think can relate to gay men. It's sang be straight women, but I wouldn;t surprised if this song gets played more than one thinks at gay bars or gay male strip clubs, etc

[Prettygurl12]

Oh my dear Jesus, really?

Is Chocolate Rain then also offensive to people who prefer vanilla? That's the same logic in my mind.

It's just a song.

[Volvagia]

no the weather gurls were just giving the daily forecast

[Bananaman177]

This is why Trump won.

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[dano65]

Does it really matter? I thought that gay men have hijacked that song in a good way. Personally, I find that to be hilarious. Why not do the same
and make it fun and/or make sport of it? Take the song Yankee Doodle. It was written by a British Army doctor from England. The purpose of it was to belittle British colonists living in America in the 18th Century. We had American Revolution and the British tried to use it again to make fun of the colonists/Americans. The Americans turned it around and adopted it. When the British surrender at Yorktown, Gen. Marquis de Lafayette ordered the army band to play that song as the Brits surrendered their arms. BURN!! Note that I have no hostility whatsoever toward England.
I have English ancestors including a pilgrim and another who transformed into an American as an officer in the Continental Army. I just love that story though.

[BeHappy1985]

You have cat to be kitten me right miaw... The song is from 1982 where people were less crazy about political correctness.. I can give you a really long list of songs that make this song seem like a walk in a park.. Starting with:
Eminem - Superman

https://youtu.be/6zwRLOMEJTw

Sir Mix A Lot - Baby Got Back (Official Video)

https://youtu.be/_JphDdGV2TU

and the list goes on and on but I think you get the point...

[WhiteKite]

"It assumes that all girls want men"
No, it doesn't.

"It also assumes that only women want men"
No, it doesn't.

Fact of the matter is that this song was well received within the gay community. One of the two songwriters, Paul Jabara, was very popular in the gay community.

[foreveralone22]

Yeah, like in “Scary Movie” the scene where the gay character blasted it on the aux cord. I hate modern day feminists and SJWs they take the fun out of everything and get offended over everything.

[cavmanier]

Yeah it objectifies men (guys with their shirts off and in underwear).

It assumes women want men (not very inclusive lol).

It wasn't inclusive with the genderfluids, pansexuals, heteronormatives, or the other genders.

It's a cool song though so ehh

How about this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zYh7Yc8kuM

[GoodManDave]

It both is and isn’t until it’s actually observed... ::yes, that’s a joke about Schrodinger’s cat::

Though it’d be more about WHO’s viewing the video or listening to the song...

I’m more offended by the shoddy work in this video, as opposed to the lyrics or anything. 😉

[madhatters4]

it's just a pretty lame pop song. there is real political statement regarding relationships. just a bunch of women saying that at a certain time of night it is going to rain men (presumably) when they hit a club or something.

do you think there is any issue?

[genericname85]

what's wrong with being heteronormative? i mean it is the norm. what's the point in living outside of reality? not everyone has the strong urge to be nonbinary. even most of those that have, have it cause it seems cool these days, not cause it's naturally in them.

it is how it is. all girls want men. all men want women. except you're gay or whatever minority but really everybody wants companionship and that's the point.

[ManwithaConran]

Yikes... analysing a song from 1983 based on current parameters? Sacrilege!!! That song at the school disco used to get the girls all "girl-powery"... cue party time. Is nothing sacred? 😥

[Schrodingerscat]

I like your t shirt tho.

[Decentguy]

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[Schrodingerscat]

😂 lol

[abc3643]

OMFG, is this really a question?
WTF are we doing to our kids?
I am a liberal, but this is liberalism run amok and is the sort of bullshit that led normal people to say "Enough is enough!" and vote for Trump.

[Goochbreaker]

this song is FUCKING AMAZING idgaf how gay it makes me to like this song, keep your dicks away from my ass as I BALL OUT TO THIS FUCKING MASTERPIECE!!!

[dandee55]

I'll add another term: sacrilegious. It uses the words "Hallelujah" and "Amen" over and over. I hate it when songs like this use (or misuse) biblical/Christian terms. I think the reason was that the song has a gospel music sound.

[standardguy]

The text "it's raining men" is not at all patriachal, just the opposite. It is written from the point of view of a woman and the man raining are like things.

[FatherJack]

I'm sure this became a gay anthem... the irony !! A lot of women certainly do not like men , you are correct there.

[Dan_Theman]

Hahaha... Your generation is so fucked... Go ask that question in a mosque and tell us about the answer

[BeHappy1985]

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[zagor]

It only assumes those girls want men, not all girls.

[peachblossomluck]

Maybe there's a men draught?

[AlyssaHannahD]

It's catchy, that's what it is

[brennanhuff]

Ironically, even though it's sang by women and original poster says it's heteronormative. The "raining men", the flamboyance of the music, I just have a strong inclination this song is more of a gay theme song than straight woman song. It's like how playgirl was supposed to be made for straight women, but very few women looked at it and the majority were gay men. I think the song actually relates more to gay men, because it seems like gay men are more interested in it "raining men" than straight women. If anything a lot of women don't like when places are lopsided with men compared to women whereas straight guys love that and if not for homophobia, gay guys I think love that. Plus the video with the dudes in speedos, most women don't seem to find men sexy in that attire or skimpy like that and gay men seem more visual and like dudes sexualized or more in skimpy clothes like that

[AlyssaHannahD]

Just like "I'm so excited" by The Pointer Sisters. Like yes okay the song actually is about sex but still it's quite famous in the gay culture, as is YMCA. But tbh as long as a song is good enough to dance to and sing along to that's all I'm asking for

[brennanhuff]

True. But the question asker says how it's made for women and straight culture just because it's sang by women. When the reality seems it's made actually more for gay culture, so her point actually doesn't work. But yes it should only be noticed about how catchy the song is, not who it's made for. Though I believe it's actually more a gay culure/gay themed song, thus more homo-normative, than heteronomative or straight woman themed.

[AlyssaHannahD]

Fun fact though, the song actually is written by Paul Jabara and Paul Shaffer

Diana Ross, Donna Summer, Cher and Barbra Streisand all refused to perform it for some reason whereas the Weather Girls were just like eh fuck it we'll do it. Plus tbh I love the duet of Wash and RuPaul, which is considered one of gay culture's icons. It's more homonormative indeed probably, but it might remain a mystery unless proven otherwise

[brennanhuff]

This might also have influenced me thinking it has a gay male perspective, when the song used to go to this skit. Yes the male comedians are straight. Oh my god these skits were hilarious though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4ojGuA33X4

[brennanhuff]

straight in real life, but playing gay men on the skit

[jimyee]

Yea it's sexist, sexist against men.