I am raising my son as a decent human being. I don't push one thing or another into his face and I don't disapprove of things he finds interest in that others might think are for another gender or whatever.
I don't care if he's straight or gay or prefers action and adventure over whatever. He likes Ninjago, Minecraft, Skyrim, likes watching me play Fallout 4 and does Karate... And when he was younger he used to watch Frozen, Sofia the whatever Disney Princess she was, and that Sheriff Cat Cowgirl show with the talking cactus that was next to useless.
He likes what he likes just as I did growing up. I am not going to go and fk with his head by telling him he has to do this or that in order to become "A Man." and I sure as hell ain't going to mess him up by suddenly treating him in a stereotypical manner like he's a girl from yesteryear.
Wtf is that going to accomplish
What specific advantages would that provide over my parents raising me in the 80s and 90s providing everyone with respect and treating others as I would want to be treated?
I'm not some wife beater, or child molester, nor am I some rapist, cheater or completely insensitive jackass. I don't treat women any differently than the next guy.
Would I have magically become more enlightened and even more of a better person if my parents decided to treat me as a female to somehow be more "Gender Neutral?"
It doesn't frigging work that way anymore than sending your gay son off to Bible Camp and expecting it to magically turn them straight.
What the hell is wrong with having a defined gender? I got a dick and that person down the road has a vagina. I'm a male and there isn't anything frigging wrong with that.
You want gender neutrality?
Lop your penises off, lop your breasts off and stitch up your vaginas. There ya go... No more genders.
Have fun with that. I'll be over here with the rest of us "Normal" human beings who don't have an issue with being who we are and respecting other people's differences.
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No, that's retarded. People who think that this is a good thing want to pretend that we're the same, that there's no biological difference between boys and girls/men and women when there obviously are. They think that if we just raise them in a gender neutral way that we can achieve gender equality, and they falsely believe that gender is entirely learned rather than being innate.
In reality all this does is cause confusion for the kids, and as a result a lot of these kids have an identity crisis which leads to all kinds of mental illnesses, particularly depression. Liberals claim that the reason so many young men today commit suicide is because of traditional gender roles, but actually young boys have increasingly been encouraged to act like girls as masculinity has become increasingly demonised. They've either been emasculated or encouraged to feel shame about their natural inclinations. Also because of this demonisation of masculinity many feel like they no longer have a place in the world.
Your responses to those who support this shows this to be true. You, just like them, have that mindset that masculinity is something to be corrected. Really, masculinity is completely natural. You keep saying "yea no more boys will be boys excuses". The solution to this isn't to raise them like they're girls - to raise them to be something they're not, in a way that is completely against their nature - instead it's simply to raise them not to be assholes.
No strong society in our entire history has raised it's sons to be effeminate - that's usually the sign of a degenerate culture on the path towards collapse. Men have and always will be the protectors of any culture, of the women and children. In order to do this they need to be raised to be strong, not to become passive weaklings. Teaching positive masculinity - strength with responsibility, with respect for women, is much better than the former.
I think that's a terrible idea. I'm really hoping this gender neutral thing is just a fad. Males and females both have their strengths and weaknesses. ie Males are typically physically strong, can make decisive decisions without letting their emotions cloud their judgement and usually are gifted in skills that are good at manual jobs. However they usually lack patience, empathy and the ability to express themselves emotionally.
Females typically are the opposite, so the scale balances.
You see gender specific roles all the time in nature. Lionesses hunt and provide food, while the Males protect the family. With Gorillas the Male stays vigilant, always on guard duty protecting the family while the females and children all eat, sleep, play and live their lives. Female Elephants lead their packs. They decide where to go and what to do and when and the rest of the family follows their lead.
Why did humans decide that it's best to go against their nature?
No, we should raise our children to become decent human beings. I’m tired of this gender neutrality bs. Im not going to yellow everything to be “considerate” I like pink for my girls and buy them barbies and blue for my boys and buy them baseballs. However, I’m ok if my son wants to wear a pink and my daughter wants to play hockey but I’m not going to purposely push on each child what I think they should like or dislike. I’m going to Raise them as their gender they are visually physically born with until they voice their own likes and dislikes. Once they hit puberty let them figure their own sexuality out if the boys want to wear heels and girls want to chance their heads. I’m going to try my best not to confuse my kids.
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The world is not gender neutral. Biology is not gender neutral. One man couples with one woman and they produce children. Their boy children will couple with other girls and their girl children will couple with other boys. It is two distinct genders that keep our species alive. Only a small minority will not follow that pattern.
Raising boys to act like girls, and girls to act like boys, is not doing great favors for anyone. Eh. They’re kids it’s pretty easy to raise them all the same way. My family’s been doing it for years. If I were to sit down and pinpoint when kids in my family start to pick up a real gender identity it’s usually when they go to school and start interacting with other kids. I played with legos and so did my female cousins. I played with action figures just like my female cousins played with dolls. And yes my action figures mostly went on adventures but I still had female action figures and they had relationships just like girls had with their dolls. I’m really convinced that the gender divide really only exist in families that force it. If you let your kid drift to whatever they’re interested in there’s really no harm done. My entire life I think the phrase “that’s for girls” was spoken to me by an adult maybe a handful of times. I watched shows with female protagonist without any hesitation and so did my friends. My girl cousins played contact sports with my guy cousins if they wanted. There really wasn’t any gender discussion. It was very clear that kids were just kids and would be kids. So yeah I think kids should be raised gender neutral but I really don’t think you need to force it. A girl who wants a toy truck will want a toy truck just let her have it. There’s no need to MAKE your little boy wear a dress for the sake of gender neutrality. People keep pushing this narrative that girls don’t do STEM because the toys are geared towards boys but toys aren’t just created and shipped out. They’re tested on children and usually reflect what kids want. When do we step back and admit that maybe just maybe gender specific behavior isn’t 100% socially constructed. Maybe just maybe some of it is the result of biology even if that biological driver is just social cohesion. I’ve taught engineering to little girls some like it some just are not interested in it. And there’s noting gender specific about the educational tools we offer. It’s just stuff. There’s no color signaling. No tailoring towards interest. There’s just nothing gendered about building a clock or watching insects. But there’s still a gender divide and maybe that’s not societies fault. We know we feel emotions differently why is it such a stretch to believe that maybe our interests are also influenced by our Internal hormonal environment. People only make a big deal out of gender neutrality in childhood because in adulthood the most high paying job fields are occupied by men and it’s a scapegoat.
No, we shouldn't. But I think you should raise children the same. Meaning don't tell them that certain things are only for girls or boys.
If your daughter likes monster trucks, that's up to her.
If your son likes Disney princess movies, let him watch what he wants.
I'm not saying if you buy your daughter a tutu, you should put your son in one too (unless he wants to, because children don't think like adults do, it isn't a gender or sexuality thing until you make it one, that's taught, it's just fabric to them, if your child wants to dress up and play pretend, it may simply be just fun for a child, don't shame them for that) but don't dictate so much what your children take interest in.
If you wanna sign your kids up for something, let them pick. Rather than putting your daughter in ballet by default and your son in football. Don't tell them, ballet is for girls. Football is for boys.
I think that can cause things like masculinity issues, and being afraid of looking even remotely feminine for a half of a second. Or being afraid of not being the epitome of feminity every second of the day.
Stop limiting your kids and pushing things on them, it's weird.You may want to raise your daughter more like a son. In fact there was a song from a Broadway show, "Why can't a woman be more like a man?" It generally meant that women were too sensitive and didn't enjoy the things men like to do. But for gosh sakes don't raise your daughter to be like a man. Half of them are already there. What used to be a normal compliment is taken as "sexist." If you hold the door for a girl, some of the more radical ones take it as an insult. We're in the Deep South and tried to strike a balance. My wife saw that our one daughter took ballet and social dance growing up, and I bought her a 22 shot rifle when she was 10 and took her out to the range Saturday afternoons. We sent her to a fancy, private girls' college in Virginia, from which she graduated Valedictorian, Summa Cum Laude, Phi Beta Kappa. After she blew through medical school and residency she served as a Major in the Army in 2004 in Iraq, and yet is as feminine as can be. But don't raise your sons to be feminine. There's enough of those snowflakes around already. They have "cry rooms" at some left wing colleges now. Where I went to college, you had to take ROTC for at least two years, the next two for a commission. Then we all took a class trip to Vietnam.
Firstly, you need to reword that.
Secondly, I believe children should be raised more gender neutrally. Don't shame your sons for playing with dolls, doing so helps them develop parenting skills. Don't teach them to repress their emotions, that'll lead to obvious emotional issues.
Teach your daughters to use/maintain cars and other things, for obvious reasons.
These are examples of life/learning skills that benefit everyone, the only reason people think they're gender-specific seems to be because everyone's too sensitive about males v females to realize that they're... Multi-purpose/gender, for lack of better words.No. I think we should teach our children to be open minded and accepting, thinking of others and themselves. Raising one as another doesn't solve any gender issues, it seems to me like the best option is to raise them with both daughters and sons on your mind. Gender neutrality isn't the problem. The problem has to do with stereotypes and stigmas. In order to provide insight, we should inform people about our views and discuss the topic in depth, not shove it in their faces and make them deal with it.
To raise our sons like girls and our daughters like boys is not gender neutral, is swapping roles.
Gender neutral would be to teach both my son and my daughter how to cook, to sew a button, to use a wrench, to fix a broken wire. Teaching both to be curious, ambicious, empathy and how to express themselves. I don't want empathetic girls and strong boys, neither strong girls and empathetic boys. I want both boys and girls to develop their strength and empathy. I want people to be able to take care of themselves and to be the most complete human beings.... that's not what that quote means at all. Gloria Steinem isn't advocating forcing the kids into the opposite gender roles; she's saying we shouldn't limit our sons' choices.
Because as things are now, girls have more choices. Parents tell their daughters they can be anything they want to be... an astronaut and a mother, a tomboy and a girly-girl... but the sons don't get the same privilege. A girl can display a lot of traditionally "masculine" interests and traits, and get praised for it... but a boy displaying a lot of traditionally "feminine" interests and traits is more likely to get discouraged or mocked for it.
The idea is to raise children to be who they're most comfortable being, regardless of gender roles... and if that means that the odd boy likes to play with dolls or has pink as his favourite colour, he should be allowed to.That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Men and women are different and no amount of "social conditioning" will alter that, the only thing your going to do is at best ruin their lives, at worse ruin them so badly they ruin other peoples lives. We are different, this has been proven so many times the fact that ANY ONE could suggest otherwise is just mind boggling, from studies on infant behaviors to other primates to every day interactions we know beyond a doubt that men and women are different and they need different things, we are not interchangeable. Gloria Steinem is also insanely sexist so not a good person to quote (but then again, all feminist by their nature are sexist).
I do think on certain issues, boys and girls have to be treated the same but I’d be foolish to say that boys and girls respond exactly the same to all parenting techniques and all situations. There are specific things unique to raising girls that aren’t present when talking about raising boys, and vice versa. Biologically speaking, boys and girls are different, which can account for a lot of the differences in interest, physicality, psychology, and how one parents raise each one. I believe a more tailored approach to each girl and boy, understanding the psychology and differences between the two genders, is the way to go.
I’m gonna raise my children (if I decide to have any) the way I know how to.
If I raise my son like a man then one day he says he identifies as a girl then that’s his choice and I’ll support his decision and still love him because he’s still my child at the end of the day and do whatever I can to help him in life because that’s my job as a parent till the day I die.
Same thing for my daughter.
I support that people are welcome to be whoever they believe they are born to be but I’m not gonna try to do anything differently because then I wouldn’t be myself, more of a template than an individual.People seem to misunderstand the difference between genders and interests these days. There are boys who feel like boys but like playing with barbies. His interests don't make him a girl. There are girls who like being girls but like watching action movies and playing with cars once again her interests do not define her gender. Kids should be raised the same way as they always have the one thing that you should not do in order to be "gender neutral" is not to say about anything like "don't do that, that's for boys/girls"
If you try to raise your boy like he would be a girl will only make him grow up in confusion about his own gender.
Also if a kid grows up with a matching gender and sex they will have much much less difficulties in life and finding their place in the world.Well if I m guessing right ya mean raising girls and boys with same moral, sensitive and caring to people around them, there's nothing wrong raising. A girl being more strong hearted, standing up for herself, and people around them similarly raising a boy to be respectful to girls, having honour, dignity and conscience is absolutely fine by me. If what I assumed you say I truly agree with what you said. Eventually we are all humans with just a gender differences and making a small change in raising your kid will be bringing a change to the world which may be a little but still will affect and inspire people who are connected to their lives.
Why would anybody do such a thing on their children? It’ll only confuse and ostracize them from their peers.
This is a completely terrible idea. I just don't understand why people are so hellbent on destroying gender norms. What evidence is there that shows society would be better off with these changes?
The greatest civilizations in the world were founded by the Patriarchy and traditional gender roles. Have you ever heard the phrase, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it?". Certainly there were some broken aspects of the Patriarchy that needed fixing, like getting equality for women. But how are traditional gender roles broken? How is this weird alternative better?I’m going to raise my children to be helicopters that exclusively mate with sexually adolescent hedgehogs. They will live off a diet of frozen tofu and baby polar bear and only wear clothes made from the skin of direct relatives of Viking royalty.
I want to make sure my children are as “unique” as possible.Raise them to be reasonable credible compassionate respectful courageous fair minded people... Yup , I agree it’s a complete trap saying test them as some or as daughter bc then people end up half sorrows whichever way they get raised
The problem is children are raised too narrow not too broadly
Kids need a wide range of skill and insight not lops side strong or intelligent or graceful or courageous.
Raise renaissance children 👶To ignore the fact that men and women are different is stupid. You are what you are, you can not change that. If you want your son to grow up strong and a true gentleman, then raise him as one.
in my opinion yes. Emotional suppression of men is shit and hurts boths genders, the whole "man up, dont cry, dont be a woman, etc.". No wonder men are 4 times more likely to commit suicide and are much more likely to become alcohol/drug abusers. I can't see emotional suppression like this as healthy, I even think it creates a lot of the mental illnesses men experience today.
Raise them like children. Nothing wrong with a boy liking trucks, but if he wants to play with dolls there is no harm in that. Encourage all children to be curious and adventurous but also teach them to be kind and empathetic. We should be taking the best of both and putting them together.
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