I mean if your buying one how would you not know?
Isn't that like buying an xbox not knowing you can play games on it.
Of course myself is English so guns are not my thing nor what i know or own. Only thing I do know is random facts like cops here use glock17s mostly, though of course most cops here are unarmed and use tasers which yes are effective at there job.
There is a lot of weird information about tasers been ineffective or the opposite end that they themselves kill people too easy? No of that don't seem to make any sense, but clearly there built and used to work. They don't get funding to make them just for the fun of it, which a lot of Americans think so and just say eh guns better.
50,000volts going through me would stop me i know that.
Typically they only don't work on rare cases of guy been super drugged up on bath salts.
well that asshole Kyle Rittenhouse is on the stand in his trial right now and he's saying he doesn't know much about the ammo of the gun he used... i highly highly doubt this
Feel like that should be even more reason to arrest him not a defence lol. "I bought a gun and some ammo not knowing what it does then shot some peeps" hmm yeah off to jail for life bye!
Compared to "I was fully aware and just felt to desperate and in need of defence i resorted to means which i did not want to. But understand my actions were drastic etc"
If you knew the facts of the case, you'd know that it wasn't his rifle. It belonged to a friend who lived in Kenosha, and the friend loaned it to him that day so he had a way of protecting himself in case he needed to. He didn't buy the rifle or the ammo, so why would he have specific details about either one?
Army infantry shoot thousands of rounds a year through their rifles, and tens of thousands through their machine guns, and most actually know very little about the weapons they use, aside from their military names and how to clean them - those things they know quite well!
Most police also don't know all that much about the handgun they carry. I know, as I've given shooting instruction to a number of them, and most people would be shocked at how little training they receive, and what the average skill level is with guns (it's low).
All that proves is people with guns just shoot guns without really knowing what they are doing "Oh yeah let's just pick up my mates gun and go ham on people and when they ask did i know what i was doing, Welp no i dunno even know what the gun does it wasn't mine either". Shrugs just making the case even worse for one self.
I'm a hetero male who knows more about guns then cars or women. does that answer any questions? To some they are just killing machines. To me they are sexy pieces of finely machined art. Like with a knife or a car you can use them for good or ill. It all has to do with the intentions of the person behind the trigger... unless they're just an idiot. And idiot shouldn't have a gun... or drivers license... or a voting registration tbh.
so i take t you own guns yourself right? do you fully know what they are capable? as far as damage goes?
actually yes, very much so. I spent a lot of time studying ballistics. I know what my.22's, .38's, and 9mm's can do. I know how far they'll penetrate through a human torso and dry wall as well as car doors. I know the approximate size and damage of the wound channels. How specific? I know a speer gold dot or federal HST opens up faster and produces less penetration then a Federal Hydrashok or Remington Golden saber for example. I know Gold dots fail miserably in heavy clothing and if you want a decent carry load for heavy clothing you should opt for a Hornaday or Fiocchi FTX bullet instead to prevent clogging. They'll give you a modest wound channel and about 13-14" of total penetration. If you want something for more barrier penetration you either opt for bonded or XTP HPs unless you are very bold and want a FMJ. If you go spoon nose they feed better but if you go flat nose they cover a bit more surface area. My.38's produce approx 230 ft lbs of energy from the muzzle and carry that energy solid to about 25 yards before the energy drops off much to notice. I know my 9mm loads hover between 349-440 ft lbs of energy. I know a 9mm penetrates more than a.40 or.45 based on the size and geometry of the bullet head. Not sure how specific you want me to go on this.
@goaded you already need a license to buy a gun. we already have background checks and vetting. Why do people still not know this? I support most of what you say. But where I live the "qualifications" are taken out of control and gotten people killed. a good example was a woman waiting for her "good and substantial reason" to be verified by courts while she had a stalker ex boyfriend which she got the gun for in the first place. Well before she was approved she was brutally raped and murdered by him. A clear example of what taking that regulation too far does. Same with red flag laws, those got people killed. If you're going to push for regulations know the situations and actually have a sit down discussion with the other side and learn to compromise.
Maybe in your state, not in many. en.wikipedia.org/.../Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
So, no licence for long guns, and magazines larger than 10 rounds only available if you step across state lines to tranfer them. Yeah, you're totally over-regulated.
en.wikipedia.org/.../Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
@goaded lmfao you didn't even scratch the surface. delve deeper, much deeper. It's highly restrictive. A "good and substantial reason" to conceal carry? gtfo.
A license and training to buy with hundreds or even a thousand dollars for the RIGHT you already had per the constitution? yeah again, gtfo.
Let me get this right. I could, if I were a native of Maryland (do I even have to be a native?) go out and buy a long gun and ammunition for it, right? That doesn't sound much like restriction to me. Concealed carry? Where was this woman attacked and killed? In the street, or at home? How many accidental or intentional deaths by firearm happened that year?
@spartan55 it does. MD blows. might as well just become apart of a new nation the way it is now
@goaded says who? dude you're a german. its a waste of time talking to you about issues that are none of your business to begin with. mind the issues in your own backyard and dont worry about sticking your euro nose in affairs that dont belong to you. Always get some euros trying to lecture americans for some such. Over here we dont care about European issues, as it should be.
@goaded omg this was like 8 years ago i dont remember. It was in a police report i read. im sure you can google maryland good and substantial reason and maryland red flag laws. both have gotten people killed. like a month after Trump passed the red flag laws 3 people were killed by trigger happy cops.
@goaded so time makes things irrelevant? You're saying it hasn't happened nor would happen ever again? I dont know if there have been more cases and frankly dont feel the need to keep up on it for the purpose of justification. A person that goes out of his home everyday unarmed is imho a fool. And a man that doesn't make sure his wife is armed is a lousy mate as he can't be around to always protect her. I'm proud to have trained 4 women on how to handle and use a pistol. I will gladly and proudly teach more in the future. Rapists, potential rapists, and pedos, should be afraid and feel like they are walking on thin ice at all times. But i wouldn't expect much from a nation of people that allowed outsiders to carve out no go zones in their own land. Not very good male protectors for women.
@goaded lol no you're deluded. We have strong law enforcement here. I assure you people still get raped and murdered here. and I know for a fact the same happens in Germany. The prepared are better off then those who are not. it's really that simple. Unless your nation is 100% free of violence and sex crimes there's always a reason to carry protection. As a survivor of 2 home invasions and a victim of sexual assault you will never convince me otherwise. Cya.
@goaded that has nothing to do with guns. You wanna know why? demographics and rates of poverty and drug trafficking. Its that simple dude. Guns are not the issue. Shitty people are. you people blame the gun. No, blame the individual. They'll stab someone to death if they can't shoot them to death. basic, common sense. Go ask Londoners sometime. Its a culture and society problem. Come to maryland, see how much gun control worked for us:
@spartan55 Mass is the worst in nation imho, followed by NJ
@spartan55 Baltimore is a real shit show. worse than philly and wilmington. And wilmington had like 3 homicides a day and is small. Yet even per capita baltimore is worse. When I appeared in court with a lawsuit for wages unpaid I had 2 bodyguards provided by the court to escort me from my Uber. And yes there were shady people all around and I didn't feel comfortable.
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I do, every firearm I purchase I do so knowing it's capabilities. I also am fully knowledgeable of the ammunition I choose to put in my weapon. If I'm ignorant about a particular weapon or ammunition, then it's not in my radar to purchase. A firearm is NOT something you purchase because "it's cool" to have one. It is a massive responsibility and you must be willing to shoulder the consequences of that piece, whatever they may be.
I am also fully skilled in every firearm I own. When I purchase a firearm I do so with the full intention of spending time at the range getting to know my weapon and developing the memory necessary to use that tool effectively and as safely as possible.
I am also fully aware of the laws in my state. What I can do with my weapon and when I can utilize my weapon.
If a gun owner is ever going to draw a firearm, it's not to "scare" someone, it's not to shoot them in the knee caps, it's to put 2 in the chest, and 1 in the brain pan. As such is paramount that as a gun owner, you understand the laws of your state and you know your weapon intimately.
Not sure about anyone else, but I can promise you that in my family we do!!
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Although I cannot BUY a gun in Florida due ti a change in the law after MSD high (parkland shooting) I can own a Rifle, and I do. I am extremely familiar with its functions and capabilities, and have sent several thousand rounds down range with it. I usually shoot about 250 rounds a month!
Nice. What kind of rifle do you have?
@ShadezMcgee I prefer not to say, but it’s a.223. That enough to understand?
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Most of them don't. That's why they put themselves in serious danger when they bring a gun around me. Because I'll grab it and shoot their johnson off before they know what hit them. Assuming they have a johnson which most don't. That said, the pen is still 100x more deadly.
1945 -Budapest, Romania. Russian KGB officers break into the home of György Lukács. One of the officers demands that Lukács surrender all his weapons. Lukács pulled out his pen and said, "Sorry, this is the only weapon I have."
Absolutely. I am a military veteran and have been around guns all my life. I know how to shoot them and give them proper maintenance and cleaning. I believe EVERYONE should be taught basic gun safety, even if they never intend to own one. Guns are such a big part of American society and I think actually mandating classes would bridge certain gaps and get rid of certain misconceptions.
I grew up with a Winchester rifle, a 30 aught 6, and a 357 magnum. All before I graduated high school. I knew how to use them effectively, how to maintain them, how to load my own shots and how to keep them safe.
When I entered the service, in boot camp they handed me a piece of shit M1 carbine. Once I sighted it in I shot marksman with it. They handed me an M 14 and I shot expert with that. I shot expert with the.45 they gave me.
I was 3 years into a 4-year stint when they looked at my record from boot camp, combined with my SAR record of saves, and decided to send me to Marine boot camp for combat training. Extended my time by 6 months and shipped myself off to Vietnam.
Of course not. You are not aware of the full capabilities of most things you buy. You only need to know what you use the gun for. It is the same with your cell phone. Most cell phones have a hundred features and apps that you can install and most you will never use. You certainly don't know the full capabilities of Microsoft Office because of many features you will never use and don't want to use. You don't even know the full capabilities of something as simple as a pen. Do you know how many words you can write before it runs out of ink? You don't know and you don't need to know because when it is empty, you will replace it.
Generally speaking I know what I am buying.
It's no different with cars. You may have an understanding of an automobile, you know how to drive and certain things about the automobile. Maybe even know how to work on one. There is a lot of information that you as a consumer do not know and will likely never know.
For instance:
I don't have a laboratory to test things the way a corporation does. Corporations have vast resources that the consumers never will. Ballistics and crash testing and many details behind the engineering is something that only the manufacturer would know.
When I was in school, I was on the competitive rifle team. I knew everything about the firearm I was using and the ammunition available for use. I learned that if I was ever going to buy a weapon and ammunition, I need to learn their capabilities and specifications first.
Yes, of course. I made very informed choices with each gun I bought. I'm that way with anything that costs "real money" - essentially if something costs $100 or more, I don't buy it until I've researched it thoroughly.
I'm also a former IDPA and 3-gun competitor, and shooting instructor, so I have quite a bit of practical experience. I used to take 2-3 high-level shooting classes every year for about a 5 year period, learning from some of the best shooters in the country.
s Yes, I know fire guns very well... and I am from Texas, whether is from hunters, military or law enforcement (friends, family and relatives)... I've known fire guns and about fire guns since a very early age... between the ages of 4 and 6 years old I already knew a lot of fire gun safety, and that was way before I even got close to any real fire gun
I even understand why a producer chose this material and that shape instead of others...
But what a gun can do depends also strong on the ammunition, which especially in the USA are produced in masses of variations... everyone made for its own purpose
But no matter what you have in your holster, you don't want to have a vector criss with man stopp ammunition in front of you...
Most of the guns I own were given to me when I was younger. I took safety courses and was in the boys scouts, everything revolves around safety. In my family guns were respected, lock up the gun and ammunition separately, it’s not a toy, the whole chabang. I don’t even really like guns anymore, but I respect them and I’m capable with them.
I don't own any firearms as its complicated in the UK, but when I lived in in US one of the things I did while there was go to the range and did practice. I also took a firearm safety course to learn about firearms correctly.
I dont have access to fire arms other than buying them first. So I had zero knowledge of the two i own till i got to use and clean em.
you don't think it might be pretty important to know?
Oh definitely! Im not advocating my choices.
Like mussel velocity, rates of fire, and how the weapon operates? Yes. I will know all that, hell I used to do that level of research when buying paintball guns… but would I know all of the different ways u could use that fire arm once u dismantle it… nah lol
I own three. Two pistols and one rifle. I am aware of their capabilities and their best suited purposes in terms of usage, defense, range and round, most importantly- HOW to handle them.
I am buying a couple of firearms and intend to be trained in the use and care of these weapons. I expect to also spend time at a range to become fairly proficient.
I don't really know anything about guns. I don't want a gun and I don't want to be around one
Every gun I own, I know how it operates and what it can do. Also have been to the range with them.
You should be, but it’s definitely not a necessity when you go to purchase one!
Yes I am, I also tend to have a few trials with it.
Yes, I've spent over a year dealing with guns almost on a daily basis. And I can say that borderline the gun user being a fucking idiot, well maintenanced firearms are excellent at what they do and completely safe.
I don't own a gun, I probably will never buy one even though sometimes I feel that I should have it.
What exactly do you mean by "full capabilities"? All of the mechanical functioning of the firearm? What all the buttons and levers do? The force of the caliber?
yes everything including what the bullets you buy them for what kind of damage they can potentially do.
There's a term in gun culture for guns that you essentially just get "for fun", called range toys. I'm sure the meaning behind the term is obvious. Specific kinds of guns that got because I like their design or the history behind them, a Colt Single Action Army replica and a 1911, for example, I got them just because I liked them. However, the guns that I intend to use for hunting or defensive situations, should the need ever arise, I took them a lot more seriously than the others. Things like how they handle, cartridge capacity, trigger pull, etc. matter a lot more in those kinds of situations, so it's a mix of both.
Aside from that, most semi-auto handguns function identically. There's very little in the way of innovation in that regard. Caliber choice varies wildly depending on what you're planning on using the gun for. As for how to actually handle the gun, again, all of the specific functions tend to be unchanged in terms of their functionality, but they might be placed slightly differently on each model, like the magazine release button, and you practice handling each model over time, preferably with non-explosive cartridges called snap caps.
Unless I am buying one just for an investment. I know what they are capable of and can dismantle them and reassemble them.
Also reload ammunition for them.
Are you talking about the bottle opener in the stock? They only do one thing.
Of course. First off guns are not cheap, especially in my country. You are first trained/schooled the basic security rules and how to operate the gun.
Trained by Army ex. sniper in Army riflemanship. I enjoy shooting targets, I don’t like to kill animals, but I would if I was hungry.
I find American gun culture distressing and responsible for the most number of gun homicides in the world.
I dont own a gun , but wish I did . I have used a gun on a shooting range and knows the power and responsibility needed as an owner.
I don’t know, maybe you should ask Alec Baldwin. 🤣
Yes of course, I’m not a gun nut that buys a gun irresponsibly and doesn’t know how it operates
I severed in the army for 8 years, i have a great respect for guns
I’ve never owned a gun and never plan to.
The BFG is the best gun.
I know what they are capable of.
I don't know much about guns
Yes, I know what a gun will do when I buy it.
A. Yes, I have taken a course on gun safety.
I'd better know. I used to shoot competitively.
Absolutely.
Of course.
i got a gun 1 smg and a standered psitol
You better.
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