The bat viruses used in those experiments were too distantly related to COVID-19 to be its' progenitor.
*But, but, but they're keeping it a secret to cover their ass.
The list of viruses used in that experiment was published in 2017.
*But they could have been using other viruses.
In order to select a virus to be used in a lab experiment, it had to be cataloged in the first place.
*But they could have cataloged the virus in secret.
They couldn't have known that the virus that they were cataloging in wild bats had the potential to cause pandemics until they studied them in a lab setting so they wouldn't have had a reason to keep those kinds of findings secret.
You have to remember at the beginning, China's own scientists from the Wuhan lab said it was them and it was a man made virus they were working on. This was the lead scientist of the lab. He later died from the virus. That is what China said. Before he died he was arrested. China scrubbed the internet to remove his videos. Everyone seems to have forgotten about him and his warning to the world.
Hey first off I apologize for being a dick. I should've especially when the reason most are here is to ask and find out more. You didn't do anything wrong or out of line to warrant me being a smart ass. My apologies
It’s pretty simple. They know SARS came out of a lab in Beijing. No one is disputing that. Now all of a sudden there’s a huge virology lab right there in Wuhan, the epicenter, and no one seems to think it came from there?
That’s really stupid and anyone who believes otherwise is probably not bright.
This is probably a shocker for you but lots of technical jargon and scientific sounding stuff is often used as subterfuge.
I don’t give a rats ass about the science as first of all I don’t trust the people putting that info out there. Secondly I have common sense. This happened once before with a very similar illness in China. There is a massive virology lab there in Wuhan. That’s all I need to know. If you wanna trust China and Fauci that’s your business. I don’t and I I do not believe anything either of them say as both have been caught in lies regarding Covid already.
Those are all credible and not fringe sources. It came from a lab.
Now you know it’s fact that SARS came from a lab in Beijing. I ask you, does it seem unlikely it came from the lab In Wuhan?
What your saying is about the same logic as someone building a house near an active volcano and the volcano erupting and then someone wants to try to tell me the lava in the living room didn’t come from the nearby volcano but rather West Virginia and they have lots of fancy graphs and charts and scientific data to prove it.
Those sources didn't say that SARS Cov-1 originated from a lab, they said that it had escaped from a lab after it had been cataloged following the initial outbreak.
You are not correct. The first SARS case was 11/02. The lab in Beijing had more than one leak that was reported. One in 03 and one in 04. That’s 2 China reported that we know of. How many occurred that we don’t know of?
China is not known for truthfulness to its people or anyone else. We already know about their lack of truthfulness concerning Covid. It’s a totalitarian state. They control everything and tailor everything to fit their narrative.
Your claim was that "SARS came out of a lab in Beijing". When asked about it you show three sources talking about leaks of the SARS virus from after the end of the pandemic. That pandemic did not come from a lab leak.
It's possible the current pandemic came from a lab leak where they were studying local viruses, but the virus wasn't from the NIH sub-contractor's gain of function research, it wasn't released intentionally, and it certainly wasn't a biological weapon.
Yes, China doesn't like to admit mistakes, but they're hardly alone in that, are they? Russia had weeks of the same number of deaths, looking suspiciously like someone in power decided that higher numbers were not acceptable. The Spanish Flu was only so called because neither side in WWI was willing to admit to how many of their people were deadly sick (Spain was neutral). Not to mention that Trump told someone in early February 2020 that he knew this virus was airborne, months before it was made public.
First case of SARS 11/02 - 2003 first lab leak reported - Chinese government gave the same story about the SARS origin as Covid. That it came from a wet market. With SARS the virus first emerged in southern China, which is not where Beijing is. However, 5 months later a Beijing doctor exposed what was going on. That there were many more cases then just the ones in southern China. The Chinese government lied about the number of cases, that it was under control and it wasn’t. Then in O3 and 04 there were reported lab leaks from the lab in Beijing. By then the Chinese government was under a lot of heat. My point is I don’t believe 03 was the first leak of SARS and the Chinese government lied. That’s the exact same story the told with Covid and we know there have been lies already.
I showed you 3 links that verify that at least at some point in time the Chinese government was willing to admit that it was leaked from a lab. Yes, they are not admitting it was leaked initially, but are admitting times it was leaked mid pandemic. Why should they be believed there or with Covid?
I’m not saying either time it was leaked intentionally with either pandemic. I’m saying that there is a strong likelihood it was leaked twice and at the start of both pandemics. The pandemic for SARS began 2002 and lasted until 2004 with confirmed lab leaks in 03 and 04. The exact same story we got with Covid we got with SARS. That it came from a wet market and everything was under control. Neither stories were true. China is a communist totalitarian government more concerned with protecting its reputation than with truth. I believe neither of their stories. Since with SARS they admitted leaked in 03 and 04, after they were under a lot of scrutiny I see no reason to believe it wasn’t leaked in 02. I can find no info on the super spreader guy from O2 who was the original case, where he traveled if he lived or was in the Bejing area prior etc etc. So all of it is highly suspect to me.
Again, I’m not saying any of the release of either virus was intentional. Things are poorly regulated in China and I’m shocked this hasn’t happen more often with other viruses or Nukes or something else that’s highly dangerous and requires lots of responsibility.
No, China doesn’t like to admit mistakes along with Russia who for example was saying there was not one case of Covid there months into the pandemic.
In regards to Trumps statements…. don’t forget. We do have spies. I’m sure precise knowledge as to the disease wasn’t relayed as no one knew anything about it but I’m sure whatever was know they knew it was spread airborne and I’d have guessed that myself as many viruses are. Not that are government doesn’t have a list of shady things they’ve done too.
So to me the bottom line is we basically saw the same pattern with China as with Covid. Both times they said it came from a wet market, both times they said it was under control. Both times there are issues with a virology lab that are suspect. History has repeated itself as I see it. Again, all kinds of graphs and scientific data can be used a subterfuge or as propaganda. Nazis did this with Jews. Measuring certain physical characteristics with rulers to show science that they are subhuman…and people believed that crap.
I can admit it’s possible I’m wrong here…but I think that possibility is very slim.
"First case of SARS 11/02 - 2003 first lab leak reported" Exactly! Specifically in Singapore, in *September* 2003. There's no indication that the original virus came from a lab.
"On 5 July [2003], WHO declared the SARS outbreak contained and removed Taiwan from the list of affected areas. Taiwan's removal from the list signified the end of the outbreak."
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Rand Paul is a grifter. a shame to his fathers legacy.
bats. someone ate a bat, and that's how it was transitioned
Perhaps this is an alternative version of the incredibly massive tides that cleansed the world
Personally I think it is a government thing and that it isn't real. However if it is real I believe it is man made.
All people having different opinions. Dont really know.
Wuhan Lab. xx
You're still trying to figure that out?
Lord Fauci has already admitted to having funded it! So, OBVIOUSLY, it was already a known factor by thenn!
The bat viruses used in those experiments were too distantly related to COVID-19 to be its' progenitor.
*But, but, but they're keeping it a secret to cover their ass.
The list of viruses used in that experiment was published in 2017.
*But they could have been using other viruses.
In order to select a virus to be used in a lab experiment, it had to be cataloged in the first place.
*But they could have cataloged the virus in secret.
They couldn't have known that the virus that they were cataloging in wild bats had the potential to cause pandemics until they studied them in a lab setting so they wouldn't have had a reason to keep those kinds of findings secret.
B that was doing studies for D snd E
Why do you think it was B?
You have to remember at the beginning, China's own scientists from the Wuhan lab said it was them and it was a man made virus they were working on. This was the lead scientist of the lab. He later died from the virus. That is what China said. Before he died he was arrested. China scrubbed the internet to remove his videos. Everyone seems to have forgotten about him and his warning to the world.
Source?
My own eyes and ears. I seen the video and heard it.
Here's one of many articles on it just Google it.
www.politico.com/.../li-wenliang-the-covid-whistleblower-446417
He worked at a hospital, not the WIV and he silenced for warning people about the virus AFTER the outbreak began.
There you go, you have it all figured out. Why you asking questions? You just trying to start shit
Well I didn't know about the doctor you mentioned so try doing something other than pouting when your claim gets debunked.
Hey first off I apologize for being a dick. I should've especially when the reason most are here is to ask and find out more. You didn't do anything wrong or out of line to warrant me being a smart ass. My apologies
I think it was developed in the lab.
Some USA blackops lab 😜🤪🤣
It's that damm Corona beer!
Can we start calling it the "piss virus" to shorten it then?
I know where , Wuhan lab in China
Wuhan Lab. in China
The lab in Wuhan.
The viruses studied there weren't closely related enough to COVID to be the progenitor.
*But, but but are you going to believe that report?
The list of viruses that the gain of function research was selected from was published back in 2017.
It’s pretty simple. They know SARS came out of a lab in Beijing. No one is disputing that. Now all of a sudden there’s a huge virology lab right there in Wuhan, the epicenter, and no one seems to think it came from there?
That’s really stupid and anyone who believes otherwise is probably not bright.
This is probably a shocker for you but lots of technical jargon and scientific sounding stuff is often used as subterfuge.
I don’t give a rats ass about the science as first of all I don’t trust the people putting that info out there. Secondly I have common sense. This happened once before with a very similar illness in China. There is a massive virology lab there in Wuhan. That’s all I need to know. If you wanna trust China and Fauci that’s your business. I don’t and I I do not believe anything either of them say as both have been caught in lies regarding Covid already.
It came out of a wet market before.
It came out of a lab in Beijing.
https://www.cdc.gov/sars/media/2004-05-19.html
www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/82/6/news.pdf?ua=1
nationalpost.com/.../
Those are all credible and not fringe sources. It came from a lab.
Now you know it’s fact that SARS came from a lab in Beijing. I ask you, does it seem unlikely it came from the lab In Wuhan?
What your saying is about the same logic as someone building a house near an active volcano and the volcano erupting and then someone wants to try to tell me the lava in the living room didn’t come from the nearby volcano but rather West Virginia and they have lots of fancy graphs and charts and scientific data to prove it.
Those sources didn't say that SARS Cov-1 originated from a lab, they said that it had escaped from a lab after it had been cataloged following the initial outbreak.
The lab leak was in 2004, the pandemic was in 2003. Are the Chinese hiding time travel technology as well?
@goaded
You are not correct. The first SARS case was 11/02. The lab in Beijing had more than one leak that was reported. One in 03 and one in 04. That’s 2 China reported that we know of. How many occurred that we don’t know of?
China is not known for truthfulness to its people or anyone else. We already know about their lack of truthfulness concerning Covid. It’s a totalitarian state. They control everything and tailor everything to fit their narrative.
Your claim was that "SARS came out of a lab in Beijing". When asked about it you show three sources talking about leaks of the SARS virus from after the end of the pandemic. That pandemic did not come from a lab leak.
It's possible the current pandemic came from a lab leak where they were studying local viruses, but the virus wasn't from the NIH sub-contractor's gain of function research, it wasn't released intentionally, and it certainly wasn't a biological weapon.
Yes, China doesn't like to admit mistakes, but they're hardly alone in that, are they? Russia had weeks of the same number of deaths, looking suspiciously like someone in power decided that higher numbers were not acceptable. The Spanish Flu was only so called because neither side in WWI was willing to admit to how many of their people were deadly sick (Spain was neutral). Not to mention that Trump told someone in early February 2020 that he knew this virus was airborne, months before it was made public.
@goaded
First case of SARS 11/02 - 2003 first lab leak reported - Chinese government gave the same story about the SARS origin as Covid. That it came from a wet market. With SARS the virus first emerged in southern China, which is not where Beijing is. However, 5 months later a Beijing doctor exposed what was going on. That there were many more cases then just the ones in southern China. The Chinese government lied about the number of cases, that it was under control and it wasn’t. Then in O3 and 04 there were reported lab leaks from the lab in Beijing. By then the Chinese government was under a lot of heat. My point is I don’t believe 03 was the first leak of SARS and the Chinese government lied. That’s the exact same story the told with Covid and we know there have been lies already.
I showed you 3 links that verify that at least at some point in time the Chinese government was willing to admit that it was leaked from a lab. Yes, they are not admitting it was leaked initially, but are admitting times it was leaked mid pandemic. Why should they be believed there or with Covid?
I’m not saying either time it was leaked intentionally with either pandemic. I’m saying that there is a strong likelihood it was leaked twice and at the start of both pandemics. The pandemic for SARS began 2002 and lasted until 2004 with confirmed lab leaks in 03 and 04. The exact same story we got with Covid we got with SARS. That it came from a wet market and everything was under control. Neither stories were true. China is a communist totalitarian government more concerned with protecting its reputation than with truth. I believe neither of their stories. Since with SARS they admitted leaked in 03 and 04, after they were under a lot of scrutiny I see no reason to believe it wasn’t leaked in 02. I can find no info on the super spreader guy from O2 who was the original case, where he traveled if he lived or was in the Bejing area prior etc etc. So all of it is highly suspect to me.
Again, I’m not saying any of the release of either virus was intentional. Things are poorly regulated in China and I’m shocked this hasn’t happen more often with other viruses or Nukes or something else that’s highly dangerous and requires lots of responsibility.
No, China doesn’t like to admit mistakes along with Russia who for example was saying there was not one case of Covid there months into the pandemic.
In regards to Trumps statements…. don’t forget. We do have spies. I’m sure precise knowledge as to the disease wasn’t relayed as no one knew anything about it but I’m sure whatever was know they knew it was spread airborne and I’d have guessed that myself as many viruses are. Not that are government doesn’t have a list of shady things they’ve done too.
So to me the bottom line is we basically saw the same pattern with China as with Covid. Both times they said it came from a wet market, both times they said it was under control. Both times there are issues with a virology lab that are suspect. History has repeated itself as I see it. Again, all kinds of graphs and scientific data can be used a subterfuge or as propaganda. Nazis did this with Jews. Measuring certain physical characteristics with rulers to show science that they are subhuman…and people believed that crap.
I can admit it’s possible I’m wrong here…but I think that possibility is very slim.
"First case of SARS 11/02 - 2003 first lab leak reported"
Exactly! Specifically in Singapore, in *September* 2003. There's no indication that the original virus came from a lab.
"On 5 July [2003], WHO declared the SARS outbreak contained and removed Taiwan from the list of affected areas. Taiwan's removal from the list signified the end of the outbreak."
Its a lab leak