I'd say a wet market is the most likely explanation. Lately the NIH admitted to funding gain of function research at the WIV so everyone is jumping on the lab leak bandwagon. The NIH published a statement that the coronavirus couldn't be from the pathogens studied do to the genetic dissimilarity between the viruses studied and COVID-19. Rand Paul responded by saying "well they just didn't publish the one that gave rise to COVID-19".
Well there are 2 problems with this argument:
First, in order to get funding for any kind of scientific study, you need to submit a proposal to the funding agency which in this case would include a list of virus you plan on studying so the WIV would have submitted a list of viruses they were going to study before the gain of function research began. So it's not like the list of viruses to be studied in the gain of function research was only released after the fact.
And the second problem is that while the virus is mostly of bat origin, it is part pangolin coronavirus as well. This is a major hurtle for proponents of the lab leak because not only is there no record of pangolin coronaviruses being used in gain of function research in the WIV, there is no record of pangolin coronaviruses being studied in any lab experiments anywhere for any reason. So the notion that the WIV was secretly using them in gain of function research is "far fetched" to say the least.
But is it a coincidence that gain of function research was being done where the virus came from? FUCK NO!!! Did you forget what happened in 2003? If people are doing stuff conducive to the genesis of new diseases (keeping animals that are known disease reservoirs in such close proximity that they piss, shit, spit and bleed all over each other) of course scientific institutions that study diseases are going to study how zoonotic diseases jump to humans. And in November 2019, their fears were realized. #IsThisNatural
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Another problem with the gain of function notion: even if there were viruses not on the official list that were being studied, the coronavirus that gave rise to COVID hadn't been cataloged anywhere before the initial outbreak. So how could they have done gain of function research with a virus that hadn't even been sampled yet? I mean sure there is a case to be made for them wanting to keep gain of function research secret but not cataloging viruses that occur in bat and pangolin populations.
Where do you think the coronavirus pandemic originated from?
There are many theories of the origination of corona. The most popular one are the it originated from rat fat which was used for some missile launch experiment and started from the men working on it and the one you said from wet market. The animals suffering from corona (yes this virus affected to animals also before us) were put in market for sale and the buyers got the virus. Other theory which is less likely true is that US paid China to create a deadly virus in lab and spread it to all the world so that they can like rule over the world (to be honest this reason seems like a sci-fi movie to me and I'm sure it is a rumor). I believe it should do something involving animals because this virus is there for thousands of years and it affected to animals that time and now humans are also involved. I don't believe in the theory that it was made in lab to rule the whole world because this idea seems extremely stupid and I think people made it for their time pass or didn't knew that this virus was there before.
"WIV would have submitted a list of viruses they were going to study before the gain of function research began"
Do you seriously believe that they're incapable of violating the rules? Hell, Fauci broke the rules by funding gain-of-function research, and then lied to Congress about it, and he funded this work in China because he knew oversight there would be very limited, compared to the US or Europe (where such work is actually banned).
"And the second problem is that while the virus is mostly of bat origin, it is part pangolin coronavirus as well."
This isn't a fact - it's a supposition. But, again, no one said that the WIV followed the rules, and pangolins are readily available to them, so this really means very little.
Fauci and his supporters are trying to push this "wet market" theory to deflect from the WIV, because then Fauci would be off the hook, but that's clearly a manipulation. The virus is EXACTLY the kind of thing that would result from gain-of-function research, and the fact that the virus came from the same place on the planet as the lab that was doing exactly that work is WAAAAAY too much of a coincidence to be happenstance. The WIV had also been sited by a number of US and European researchers as having very poor containment practices and security, and they'd been making those concerns known since 2013. The release of something like COVID-19 was precisely what they were worried about.
Basically what Rand Paul has been eluding to this whole time. Being that the Pauls have medical backgrounds and are so suspicious and so condescending it's clear they know and smell the BS from miles away
So they new to keep the gain of function research about the strain that gave rise to COVID-19 a secret because they new it was going to leak before hand?
Are you serious?
" The virus is EXACTLY the kind of thing that would result from gain-of-function research, and the fact that the virus came from the same place on the planet as the lab that was doing exactly that work is WAAAAAY too much of a coincidence to be happenstance. "
Of course it's not a coincidence, wet markets in that area gave rise to the 2003 SARS outbreak so of course scientists will investigate how bat coronaviruses jump to humans in a place where you know people are engaging in activity conducive to the genesis of new emerging infectious diseases and in 2019, their fears were realized.
But contrary to popular claims, the wet market origin doesn't absolve the CCP of all responsibility because the reason bats and pangolins were kept in wet markets was because in 2016 the CCP amended their endangered species act so endangered animals could be kept in wet markets.
Hmm, loosening restrictions on the exploitation of wildlife caused a catastrophe? Oh I know why the American right hates that narrative.
I'm thinking it has something to do with the New World Order and they're agenda to depopulate the world, I'm also thinking it hasn't gotten as bad as it was supposed to and it will probably get worse before all of said and done. I'm not sure exactly how they will do it but supposedly the goal is to have the world population down to around five hundred million by 2050. I know that if you google the illuminati it will tell you that secret societies were banned in 1776 and that is when the illuminati disbanded because if they had been caught the sentence was death... well I don't know if google knows this but the freemasons was a secret society that had been banned a couple of times through out the years and that didn't seem to really have much of an effect considering they are still around... you see I believe the illuminati just went underground for awhile and came back up with a different name or more secretive I don't know but I definitely believe they still exist, look up the Georgia guidestones, look up bioengineering instead of chem-trails, look up skull and bones secret societies.
Your picture is of a Pangolin and it was once stated that this animal being bush-meat was ground zero for covid. I do not believe that it is solely this animal but a laundry list of wild bush-meats that are sold on the black markets that are the cause. The sad thing is that many 3rd world countries' residents struggle to feed themselves so they have to rely on eating anything that moves as a food source.
There were cases of people dying having "breathing issues" in the USA a few months before the official Covid outbreak in the USA. The claim this was due to "vaping" and was seen as dubious at best.
But it's possible this may be linked to samples, and why funding was given over to the Chinese research labs.
Either way, we know the Wuhan lab at the centre of this was in the pay of big customers linked to USA firms. Wouldn't be the first time the USA has covered it's ass by putting another country in front of it's created problem...
I'd say it's a combination of several key players. I think it first struck athletes at the military games in Oct 2019. Deliberate by China. Their propaganda through December and Jan that somehow got last the CCP media control into the western world of wuhan residents dropping dead mid stride said it all to me. NO respiratory virus does that. China only let's the west see what they want us to see.
Origins of virus, bioweapon research, in part funded in secrecy by Fauci's agency, and I'm sure some input from a Gates subsidiary.
Deadliest element of virus - mass hysteria thanks to governments and the media orchestrating the biggest scam the world has seen since religion was established. And, probably the vaccines as a contender.
Initially, I took the wet market theory at face value. That was for 5 minutes until it became abundantly clear the CCP & US health officials were lying about everything. When the lab theory came out, I didn't accept it, as I thought evidence was needed, but it did seem extremely plausible to me, so my bets were on the lab theory. I now believe this to be the real origin.
Even if it did truly come from a wet market, the Chinese government did try to cover it up. In addition, the woke crowd in the West took the CCP at its word and bashed skepticism of China's official line as anti-China hate. Yep, such rhetoric does not make me believe officials in any way.
Quite sure it's the lab. Explains the initial cover up in China, as well as Fauci being thanked for covering up the origin, in his emails.
He's a loose cannon, but I think Styx may be right: China had a demographics issue from their old 1-child policy and engineered a virus to kill old people and "leaked" it. A democidal tool.
I think it was a natural virus being worked on for gain of function research in the lab and then accidentally leaked through sale of test specimens to the wet market (because they were caught doing that before). So it’s probably a bit of both. Not that it matters at the end or the day, it’s out there now and can infect humans.
Interesting investigating journalism by reporters in Australia have discovered a lot of evidence that, shortly before the world became aware of the virus, the lab in Wuhan China did some unusual things: changing security, buying new equipment, for example. A leak from the lab is very likely, possibly to the Wuhan wet market where the pandemic really got going.
When it comes to mutations and jumping species barriers corona is premier league. I've read predictions of this in farming and veterinary books written years ago. It was always going to happen.
i agree and this is why the az vaccine was ready to go so quick... it was developed 3 years before covid 19 because a sars variant pandemic was expected at some point
The timing was too perfect tbh. All of them saying it was going to happen very soon then it happens. I think it was a Social Experiment tbh. To see about a contingency Incase of biological warfare with China or some other country.
It was 100% a lab leak. If it was an accident or on purpose is the question that needs to be answered. But if China had a virus going around from the very beginning, they themselves should have closed their own borders, in and out, for the sake of the world. But the communist Chinese government don't care about people.
They were being hush hush about it from the beginning but that doesn't mean it was a lab leak. The US was all hush hush about the Spanish flu but I doubt that leaked from a lab.
I don't exactly expect China to be straight with us at any point and forever it'll be "wet market" according to them but from what I could tell from the emails is that they were pretty damning...
I think there's no coronavirus. Rich people just wanted a dip in stock market so they just brought by recession. By exaggerating a normal flue as pandemic.
I work on wallstreet trust me, I know these people.
"It amuses me after the constant lies from our government and the Chinese government that you just take that report at face value"
No I didn't...
"And the second problem is that while the virus is mostly of bat origin, it is part pangolin coronavirus as well. This is a major hurtle for proponents of the lab leak because not only is there no record of pangolin coronaviruses being used in gain of function research in the WIV, there is no record of pangolin coronaviruses being studied in any lab experiments anywhere for any reason. So the notion that the WIV was secretly using them in gain of function research is "far fetched" to say the least."
If you're going to argue that the identity of the lab virus that gave rise to COVID wasn't published in the 2021 report released by the NIH, if you want to make a case for the lab leak, you need to demonstrate that at least one of the virus identified in the linked report which the viruses involved in the gain of function research was selected from could have given rise to COVID-19.
Actually the progenitor of coronavirus had never been documented. The virus it was most closely related to infects a bat that wasn't present at the wet market but that would just mean that the ancestor of the two viruses jumped from one species of bat to another.
I have to admit, dropping it out of China was the greatest idea they ever had, no one would question it, they would simply assume it's a result of the wet markets and this question is proof.
Nature/wet market whatever. I think that a lab leak wouldn’t be as successfully covered up. If anyone could it’d be the Chinese govt. So not ruling out lab leak.
