Is it common to experience PTSD from the military training alone?

[DizzyDesii]

This guy hasn’t touched the battlefield but he went through airforce training and got hurt a lot when he fell from high places. Tbh, i suck at active listening so I don’t remember what all he said. I know he said he was discharged for disability within like his first 2 years or something. I feel bad for not remembering. But he’s like really jumpy from the slightest things like his phone ringing and he won't sleep for anything. he's up all night texting me while I’m trying to sleep but he briefly naps for a little while throughout the day. He says he has ptsd and had been doing physical therapy for his back/shoulder/hip after some repetitive falls. I can tell he wants me to be there for him but I already went through this with two who did see the battlefield— a navy seal who woke up screaming throughout the night from his nightmares and an army dude who i had to stop twice from committing sui because he said he felt guilty about some of his missions. But anyways, is it common to experience ptsd without touching the field? #FeelFreeToList

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Dang he definitely is discussing a past dealing with suicidal attempts so ig y'all were right. Its deeper than that. Fck

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No offense to the airforce guy above but Yay my army HS/college friend/crush/dreamlover messaged me back on Linkedin 🙌 He was like I COULD NEVER FORGET YOUUUU. I’m just going to pray he’s not going through anything traumatic as well

[ShadezMcgee]

To put it from a guy who is currently still serving, yes, it is possible to get PTSD despite not being deployed to a combat environment. This is the more common one because seeing the more upfront and worst of humanity can desensitize one and traumatize them too.

Training accidents can be triggers for it too, especially if it is something that could have been fatal or they survived. Although basic training is also structured to be strict and high pressure and intense to break you down and build you up to keep you focused and resilient. Some can't hack that though. What training did he do in Air Force that resulted in him falling and being jumpy from something like that, though? Was he trying to be Para-tescue or special forces? That training is intense and could be why.

Disability can be claimed to a certain degree depending on the damages that were considered done by a professional. Some guys get full disability, some get lower percentages.

I would strongly recommend being a more active listener. Guys like this also tend to bottle it up because they don't want to burden others and be judged or don't think anyone cares.

[DizzyDesii]

Wow great feedback. And I don't know he said they were climbing tall towers with a harness but that he still somehow fell and it cracked his helmet and his skull

[ShadezMcgee]

Rappel tower confidence course probably. Probably didn't have his break hand positioned right to keep him anchored and not fall while scaling it

[DizzyDesii]

I don't know because he said he fell twice from it. I don't know if it was the same day but he hit his head and messed up his back, shoulder and hip and had to do physical therapy when discharged

[ShadezMcgee]

Probably ended up on profile that would hinder him too much which would explain his discharge and physical therapy.

Falling twice? Really wish you knew what this obstacle was because I find it hard to believe he fell twice from the rappel tower twice when that is one they don't fuck around with when it comes to safety.

[DizzyDesii]

I said the same to him like how did you fall twice! But he said he was clumsy. I tried to not to assume he was lying somewhere in the story but others question it as well

[BoopBoopBeep]

This is really hard for me to say it passes the sniff test. Can you get injured in training? Sure. Could it give you ptsd? I guess. But the details don't feel right.

[ShadezMcgee]

@BoopBoopBeep I take these with a grain of salt as well. Training accident PTSD is one that happens amd has more credibility than other instances depending on what it is, but if one isn't combat vet then it is more understandable like I said.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@ShadezMcgee
I hear ya brother. Did 9 tours outside the wire. Yet somehow it's always the supply guy or S1 that never left the hardened HQ building that comes back the most f'ed up. What you stub your toe on the way to the bunker that time the other side of base got IDF'ed? AND you dropped your pizza hut? Man... war is hell...

Met a guy with PTSD from 6 months in Kuwait.. asked him when he was there... said "in 2011... but you just never know if another war is going to pop off". Mf with who? All the coalition troops in the one country you border? I shit you not, said it with a straight face, too.

[Finchie40]

It sounds like he has PTSD , And yes PTSD is caused by trauma experiences in life , Most military veterans suffer from PTSD and other people that suffered a traumatizing experience can suffer from PTSD as well , I don’t think there is really a cure for it , just a lot of therapy could help I guess , My ex suffered from PTSD cuz she was molested as a child , Being in a relationship with someone that suffers PTSD is a hard relationship to be in , My experiences with my ex were completely insane , It leaves you with a constant question mark over your head on whether they love you or not , when they have an episode , My ex would attack me verbally and physically over the smallest thing, it’s like being in a relationship with Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde , My advice is to not get involved , it can impact you as well without you realizing it , it sucks cuz You do feel bad for them , but it can take a huge toll on your own self and pushing yourself to get therapy as well , That was a relationship I would never want to experience again , It’s not normal

[DizzyDesii]

Great advice

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Finchie40
I'd be interested where you read that "most" military veterans suffer from PTSD. That's garbage. I've got two friends with PTSD and everybody else is just fine.

[Finchie40]

It’s not garbage there are a lot of military veterans that suffer PTSD from being on the battle grounds of experiencing war and death and knowing they could possibly be killed , knowing they might not see their families again , Google it there is so much information on PTSD from experiencing war , And there is so much information on people having PTSD from trauma events that occurred in their lives , like being molested , raped , almost murdered etc. So it’s more common then you think , Inam not saying every military veteran has it but a lot of them do , as well as other people that suffered traumatic events

[BoopBoopBeep]

Words have meaning. "A lot" is not "most." I don't discount the former. The latter has no scientific rigor attached to it.

[exitseven]

When I had basic training there was a guy in one of the other flights that hung himself during the night. I imagine the guys that found him got really freaked out. I could see how this could happen. Basic training is designed to be a high pressure situation. They give you more things to do than there is time for. There is a DI that will scream at you and we had an officer that used to lecture us on what we did wrong. Also you didn't want to let the other guys in your flight down. If you screwed up it made everyone look bad. They want to see what you do under pressure. Some people could get PTSD from something like that.

[DizzyDesii]

Wow this was extremely helpful and makes a lot of sense

[exitseven]

Basic training was tough sometimes but we had a lot of fun too.

[RavVid]

I think it is quite plausible but I have no idea how common it might be. It is quite possible that a new trauma "wakes up" past traumas and it is not so much the most recent trauma but past "woken up" traumas that cause most trouble. Perhaps quite trivial things to an adult but weren't understandable as a child and caused distress.

The theory is - it can only be theory - that there is an area of our brains that remembers our emotional response to events and the recall is the emotional response we had at the time. This guy is scared to go to sleep.

This is like what we were talking about a day or two ago in friendzoning. I think you are saying you have been the support person before and aren't up for it this time. That would be wise.

[DizzyDesii]

Yea this exactly that situation. he's such a sweet person but i know i can't give him the daily comfort he’s probably seeking

[RavVid]

Sadly it can just help people to stay where they are.

[Lynx122]

I didn't get PTSD from the training but I didn't have accidents. I feel like he might have already had a mental health disorder or so before he joined the military and that's why the training was overwhelming for him and he tried really hard to live up to the expectations but it put too much stress on him. That's my impression just from what you wrote.

[DizzyDesii]

Damn, this is deep. He does have a fascination with serial killers so maybe

[Phoenix98]

I guess it's possible I've never really heard of any actual cases of it though. But I mean boot camp by it's definition is supposed to be traumatic I mean they are turning you into a blank slate so that you can be properly trained as a soldier.

If you can't deal with stressful situations then the military is something I would advise avoiding.

But given what you've said in your statement and in the comments it sounds like the guys injuries were on him either because he wasn't listening or it didn't click for him because they show you multiple times how to do everything, how to put everything on, etc they take safety on things like rappel towers really seriously.

[DizzyDesii]

I think he was listening but may have been a nervous wreck.

[Phoenix98]

It's possible but the army is soft so there's not really any reason to be nervous they can't even really yell at you anymore.

[DJB72]

I'm diagnosed with PTSD and I'm not military. For me the trauma was my brother dying in a road accident when we were children.

As an adult it's manifested in putting myself in life threatening situations, including having a gun pulled on me, and feeling nothing. My psychiatrist describes me as "complicated" because I'm affected but can't express things about fear. I don't fit the profile of a sociopath, although I fit the psychopath profile, and yet I test as ENFP on the Myer's Briggs scale - not where I "should" classically.

PTSD is a very complicated condition. Any traumatic event can cause it, not just military service.

[DizzyDesii]

I see that now. Thank you for explaining and im sorry to hear what you have to go through

[DJB72]

It doesn't upset me to explain it any more. It used to, but I've had great psychologists over the years who've managed to help me unpack it. Now it's about repacking it so I can use it as a force for positive change.

It's funny, losing my brother is something that lets me sincerely joke about losing my leg. I know I'll be ok sooner or later, so I choose sooner.

I figure if my story can help just one person avoid the mistakes I've made then it was worth it.

[papiC21]

No I wouldn't say that is very common. He's either a total puss, he's milking it, or both. He may be one of those people that just love the attention they get from it. Along with the discharged for disability thing and the complaining about getting hurt from falls I don't know this guy is weird lol

[DizzyDesii]

Dang i hope thats not the case. He doesn't seem needy in terms of this situation because we talk about other things. But he expects me to stay up all day and night with him and i just dont have that energy anymore

[magiusX26]

bluntly put, yes. anything that can felt as traumatic can cause ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder) as its name states. it could be as simple as arguing patents, falling from a tree/window/roof/on ice, nearly drowning, car accident, victim of a crime (think rape or attempted murder) , a bad medical reaction to a med, being bullied/manipulatef/controled, catching a signifgant other cheating, or witnessing such things.

[DizzyDesii]

Oh wow didn't realize

[magiusX26]

many dont. but if you look at what the letters ptsd actually mean, it becomes self defining. key word is trauma

[magiusX26]

another cause often overlooked is the death of a loved one.

[magiusX26]

awsome news with that latest update

[DizzyDesii]

Thank you :)

[Christoff92]

I have a cousin in the US who was a US Military officer. But got injured through his eye socket. I think he now has a artificial eye replacement. But gets an army penison for life 😊

However for what I also know it can be. Never asked my cousin though.

[DizzyDesii]

Yea it seems like a sensitive topic so im always afraid to ask for deets

[Rosexøxø]

Anyone can get ptsd but that’s a little sus

for me anyways. Treat it like it’s real and decide if that’s something you want to be involved in or around.

Best to you both. 💯

[DizzyDesii]

I mean he's probably in the friendzone at this point but yea i may ask him more questions about it. I just dont want to overstep

[Rosexøxø]

Yeah that’s understandable and fair. Considerate of you, since not everyone is as mindful tbh.

Probs would have to ask him if he’s okay with sharing or answering questions. Otherwise most people feel better about sharing things that feel bothersome, and anyone who um is genuinely curious or meaning to help isn’t really overstepping.

My dad used to be an emt on ny and he ended up meeting vets who had confided in him and shared their ptsd experiences and they felt a bit better and a bit closer/United because of it. He had shared his experiences with his kind of work and thought both kinds different somewhat similar at the core, and still ptsd at the source.

Trauma is linked with fear, if you felt inspired to share with him things you have/had feared it could melt the ice a bit and maybe show him it’s alright to plea human, in this sense. That’s what we are and we gotta embrace that truth as and while moving forward.

Best to you both 💯

[Rosexøxø]

From what I know he’s in good company

[DizzyDesii]

Oh yea i did share a fear with him so maybe thats why he opened up

[ohsheeT]

Well I'm not really for sure about that
I can tell you I was never in the military.
And this happened to me.
PTSD
Pussy traumatized Steve's dick
We are talking about the same thing right.. lol

[ohsheeT]

I have a couple very good friends that have PTSD and the last thing in the world they want is to be stuck in that world one of the best things they want is to laugh they want to shake it off they want it to leave their body and the only way to do it is to not think about it and to think about it at the same time but in a different manner I don't know about anybody else that has it but I do know my friends and anytime my friends start getting into a mood they want you to make them laugh they want to do something spontaneous they want to live their life and not be stuck in that world
They hate being around people that are soft with them
They want to feel what you think but they don't want it baby coated they want you to be straight up to the point because that's what's bringing them back to life they're stuck in a world of their own and they the only way to get them out of it is to let them basically explode and hear it and feel it taste it touch it smell it but real life is again it's a battle within but they're doing it they're doing it good they take on the world now and they can laugh right along with you and they will even tell you better jokes

I apologize if I ruined your question I looked at it as if I was talking with my friends and what they would have said right after I said that LOL

[DizzyDesii]

Thanks for understanding

[ohsheeT]

I more than do my friends and I are pretty tight and will doing any thing for them I've watched them in a living hell I've watched them want to just end it right then and there I have watched them go through so much but the best thing I've watched is him to just take that pain and turn it all around

[Andres77]

He’s got something else going on.

my ex was a drill sergeant for a few years. She found numerous recruit’s bodies after they committed suicide.

thats like the only ptsd approved outside of combat.

[DizzyDesii]

Wait whats the only approved? Suic?

[Andres77]

My ex-wife was diagnosed with PTSD, because of all the soldiers that she found that had killed themselves during basic training. I don’t know if that’s the only other cause of PTSD outside of combat.. that’s the only one that I’m familiar with.

[DizzyDesii]

Ohhhh I understand now. Yea i think he's about to go into more detail with me about it

[MysticDevice]

I'm pretty sure it is possible. I guess if that life isn't for you it can be pretty jarring. But he tried it. Which is more than what most people can say.

[DizzyDesii]

I just hate how much its affecting his sleep
pattern. And its a lot of words that trigger him and make him jump so i feel like im walking on egg shells

[MysticDevice]

I couldn't even begin to tell you what the right thing to do is.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

I do believe training could cause him to develop PTSD this is sad, but I do hear that training is pretty rough on them.

[DizzyDesii]

Yea that is sad

[Anpu23]

Any trauma can trigger PTSD, I wouldn't say it was common, but certainly possible.

[DizzyDesii]

So its likely when he fell from the tower

[Anpu23]

Yes, it's possible.

[Mark987]

I know friends that were in the Military... and 100% YES.. I feel so bad for them.. you can tell they have been EXTREMELY EFFECTED

[DizzyDesii]

Dang

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Training (or hazing) in the Russian army would probably give you PTSD

https://www.youtube.com/embed/YD5n3VCsYBw

[Jamie05rhs]

Dude... the mfer FELL from the SKY. You don't think that's traumatizing?

[DizzyDesii]

He didn't fall from a plane. He fell from a tower they had to climb. He had a harnass but I don't know what happened because he literally described it as his head bouncing back and part of his skull cracking like gwen in the spiderman movie. Thats really sad

[Jamie05rhs]

@DizzyDesii Yeah, that is extremely sad. Poor bloke.

[DizzyDesii]

I just wasn't sure if the ptsd came from the fall or something else. I didn't want to overstep and ask for further details but i might

[Jamie05rhs]

@DizzyDesii I'm sure he will tell you about it when he feels comfortable.

[Jamie05rhs]

Re: Update: Whoah- that's awesome!
Good for you for not listening to my advice! LOL

[DizzyDesii]

Regarding which guy? This isn't the tower dude

[Jamie05rhs]

@DizzyDesii Regarding the LinkedIn guy. I told you not to do it because I thought it was unprofessional. Lol

[DizzyDesii]

Oh but its in dms and i messed my friend

[DizzyDesii]

*missed

[Jamie05rhs]

@DizzyDesii I know. I'm saying it's okay. I'm admitting that you were right and I was wrong. Lol

[Abdulwahh]

I believe so yes depending on the person the field training is very tough and hard.

[DizzyDesii]

I see

[SnowedIn]

Just training alone? Possible but not common.

[DizzyDesii]

He called it training. Buut he also said 2 years and something about working with computers and climbing towers. So I don't know I guess I’d have to ask him more details

[SnowedIn]

Every case is different. Accidents happen. Sometimes terrible ones. And, yeah, totally possible for PTSD to be an outcome. It's just not common from training.

[DizzyDesii]

Could falling from the tower have done it?

[SnowedIn]

Totally yes

[DizzyDesii]

Its just hard to maintain interest when he's always sleep deprived and jumpy. I don't know how to tell him that

[SnowedIn]

Oh I'm so sorry. That's a tough one. Like, yeah, you can care for him and be sympathetic but at some point your tank has to be filled too.

[DizzyDesii]

More so he's always “on” and sometimes i need sleep and not him constantly waking me because he never sleeps

[SnowedIn]

😥😭 Oh wow. I'm sorry. I get it.

[inhua]

PTSD is necessary to create strong soldiers

[4ngelic]

no not normal

[DizzyDesii]

Yea thats what i thought til i read comments beloq

[eagle1951]

sure

[DizzyDesii]

Dang

[papiC21]

This is what I was waiting for. A fuckin Vietnam veteran. I'm curious to see what you think of this, to me it sounds like he just likes to say he was a part of the military and wants the attention from saying he has PTSD. Also, to be discharged for disability after one fall training? Sounds like he was probably persistently whining about this injury that likely wasn't severe enough to get him discharged in the first place

[DizzyDesii]

@papiC21 he said he fell several times during different trainings and that one was while climbing a tower and it cracked his helmet/skull