To all those who like philosophy; do you think that every change has a cause?

[behnam1999]

Well, at least, this is what it looks like. When there's a change, we're automatically looking for the cause of that change. That's basically how we have managed to make scientific and technological advances. We observed the nature and the changes that took place and tried to discover the laws and principles behind these changes!!!

[HawkPerception]

I definitely do. If you think of it in the sense of the cause being the action and the change being the reaction, then it proves that for every action there's a reaction.

An avalanche can't start if snow sits still

Water can't make waves without a force affecting it

DNA cannot change without mutations or environmental factors like radiation or chemicals

Someone can't feel emotions without a reason, whether that reason is physical or mental

There is a reason behind every change.

[behnam1999]

So, can we use this to prove our way back to the first cause of the chain of all changes and thus prove God? 🤔

[HawkPerception]

I don't believe so. The concept of creation is not currently comprehensible to humans. It could have been that time has existed for eternity and everything just runs its own course. We can come up with whatever theories we want, but it's all just conjecture. Unless a God comes down and shows us the truth themselves, there won't be any proof of a God. Maybe a god did come to our small planet out of the billions to trillions of galaxies in the universe at some point, but we don't have any solid proof of that. People can argue the Bible is the proof, but it's illogical to believe everything that's written in a book that was written thousands of years ago just because it was written. If I wrote a book 1000 years ago and said I met God, would that make it true?

[behnam1999]

Regardless of the problem of God's existence, what do we need to prove anything? Not just God, I mean anything. When can we say that something is sure to be true?

[behnam1999]

Of course you can't prove the existence of God with the Bible, this is too evident to be questioned.

[HawkPerception]

Can you feel the heat of fire when you put your hands in front of it?

Do you feel strongly about your loved ones to the point you feel you could do anything for them?

Does a ball move when you kick it?

These are all truths. They're not just made up in your head.

[behnam1999]

That's right. We hold these things to be true, because we have experienced it. So, we know that something is true when we can feel it with our five senses?

[HawkPerception]

Yes. Atoms and matter are real. It's not all just figments of our imagination. They all act in a way to let us perceive everything around us. We exist.

[behnam1999]

But, don't you think that there's more to our five senses and that we have also other tools to reach general truths without even physically experiencing them? For example, one could find out that the sum of all the internal angles of a triangle is always 180 degrees, and then move on to prove the sum of the angles inside a four-sided geometric shape (like a square or a rectangle) by dividing the space inside into two triangles and reach the number 360 degrees. Soon after that, he/she realizes that there is a pattern, and using this pattern he/she can easily say the sums of the angles inside shapes with more than 4 sides, without even having to draw them and working on them physically. Well, it's all happening in his/her mind, but it's true; and of course much of mathematics works the same and is just inside our minds, and yet they are applicable to outside world. Scientists have used mathematics extensively to understand the world around us and discover the laws of physics and using all that knowledge to advance technology.

I think math is pure logic. And this logic is applicable to the outside world. We can use logic to understand the world better and we can rely on it and if we question the tool of mental rationalization (which is actually the basis for all the natural sciences), we are actually questioning the validity of everything we have achieved so far in the fields of physics, chemistry and all other natural sciences.

[behnam1999]

I mean, proving things depend on that thing. Some things need to be physically observed to prove their existence, like atoms, but others don't.