Who is the real villain, Luigi Mangione OR the CEO of healthcare?

[foxsquirrell]

The CEO of insurance healthcare

Luigi Mangione

[OneViewpoint]

The CEO of United Healthcare by a long shot (pun intended). Mangione killed one guy. The CEO of United Healthcare systematically killed thousands of people year after year. People who had paid their insurance premiums. He killed them by refusing their claims and waiting for them to die in a cold calculated attempt to defraud them out of coverage they had paid for to increase his own wealth. That is Hitler level Sociopathy and greed. One guy refused to be shit on and left to die by the rich and powerful. Sorry he's not a criminal. It was self defense.

[foxsquirrell]

At least someone has my view. Its amazing how many people still side with the CEO and sympathise with him becuase he was a father and a husband. Smh. The majority of people are sheep. Low IQ scum.

[Friendlybro79]

It's not about siding with anyone. It's wrong for someone to shoot someone in cold blood and it's also wrong for insurance companies to take advantage and do whatever they can do to deny people coverage that could possibly let someone die.. That said there's a reason the CEO was never convicted of murder. He didn't murder anyone directly.

This is not the same as first degree murder. The CEO didn't physically murder anyone. With your line of thought you'd have to kill everyone that works for the insurance company just because they're guilty by association. ( which is not ok at all)

Luigi is a bad guy because bad people murder people in cold blood. He wasn't defending his own life. Also, healthcare companies are just purely terrible and don't care about letting people die. That isn't the same as popping random people off in the street

[OneViewpoint]

@Friendlybro79 ,

ROFL, you are the frog who would sit there slowly boiling to death in a pot of water being heated on a stove.

So making a conscious decision to kill someone by denying them health insurance after they've paid for it because you think you can wait them out and they'll die before they can sue you is not murder.

That sounds like a problem with our laws, not some moral dilemma. Because that is fucking murder in my book. What If I threw you in a hole and didn't feed you so I didn't have to repay a loan you gave me? Would that be murder? What if I put you in a box and cut off your air supply so I could rob your house? Would that be murder? So how is it different when a CEO directs a thousand employees to deny claims for healthcare coverage for the express purpose of raising profits by waiting those people out because he knows they will often die before any court case will ever be decided? I'll tell you how it's different... Luigi Mangione killed the man who was trying to kill him. The CEO of United Healthcare was killing thousands of strangers for money. That's a fucking sociopath.

Most normal people can see that as a moral issue the same as walking up and putting a gun to someone's head or slitting their throat with a knife. The problem is not one of morality. The problem is that our laws protect white collar crime and corporations when they kill people. This is directly connected to the wealth inequality problem. This is a result of the 1% having complete control over our laws and our courts.

[foxsquirrell]

Well said buddy!! A rare reply which hits the nail on its head. My hat goes off to you. At least I know that I am not alone against these idiots.

[Friendlybro79]

I agree with so much of what you're saying but you're mentally warped. What's stopping you from being like Luigi then? I hate healthcare companies and how they operate and agree with how white collar criminals are protected. The difference is the morality.. that's where we disagree. If you get denied a future healthcare claim are you going to kill someone over it, or ask your son to do it for you, or hope he does?

Also does the CEO, regardless of running the org, actually deny people? Should the person that pushes the button be murdered too since they're guilty by association and an accessory before the fact. They know people will die too. Where's your line?

[Friendlybro79]

Idiot? I don't want violence and I don't want these claims denied. You're like yay murder a guy because he deserves it.. violent animals like you can't use your big boy brain

[OneViewpoint]

@Friendlybro79 ,

Both killed.

One killed using a gun because the other guy was trying to kill him.

The other killed thousands of people for money using corporate policy and a trash legal system.

And you're focused on the first guy and while being an apologist for the second guy. You are part of the problem. What are people supposed to do when corporations and billionaires have bought the people who write the laws and the judges who interpret the law? You would just sit there and die like an obedient sheep. Why? How does that help society?

What's stopping me from being like Luigi? Nothing at the moment. Not a fucking thing. But if there were consequences for the executives at companies like United Healthcare people would have no reason to take matters into their own hands. And by consequences I don't mean some piddling meaningless fine. I mean putting them out of business and substantial jail time. Dissolve the company. Investors lose everything. They are culpable too. They didn't care the stock price was rising because of systematic murder. They won't care tomorrow either unless there are tangible consequences. This is yet another example of the failure of Capitalism.

Best solution for this industry... put them all out of business. Adopt a National Healthcare System with one payer in a Not For Profit model. People's lives and miseries shouldn't be a For Profit casino where billionaires are making the judgement calls.

[Friendlybro79]

I'm not apologizing or being an apologist for the CEO at all. I'm saying murder is bad you're saying it's good since he did it first. I agree with your solution in the last paragraph.

So what would you do if you were in the position to be told denied to a claim that is necessary to survive? You're not one of the sheep. So what do you do?

[Friendlybro79]

Killing the CEO did nothing.. they're still denying claims.

[foxsquirrell]

Again my friend well said. We are on the same page. 👍

[foxsquirrell]

My positiove comments in this threat are directed to OneViewpoint. Just to be clear, because I am pressing reply on his comments and I'm not seeing @OneViewpoint at the beginning of the fucken reply.

[Friendlybro79]

We get it @foxsquirrell. You think it's positive for someone to kill someone else in the street because the other guy makes decisions that kills others. I'm trying to engage @OneViewpoint since you @foxsquirrell just piggy back off his comments.

[Friendlybro79]

Regardless. I think it's pointless to argue at this moment. Both of you have a great day.

[OneViewpoint]

@Friendlybro79 ,

I get it. You're a coward who will sit quietly and die in submissive compliance to the people killing you. Or your wife. Or your kid. Because you're a Friendly Bro. You need people to like you. I don't suffer from that weakness. My only problem with Luigi is that he thought too small.

You on the other hand will make an excellent economic slave for life. Along with your wife and children no doubt. "Serve the 1% well and die quietly at the lowest possible cost" is the epitaph should be carved on your tombstone.

[Friendlybro79]

LOL. You're one scared little boy aren't you? Internet tough guy who can't even answer a simple question. I see your standpoint but I want to see how alpha you really are... Big man here barking, talking like he knows everything. What would you do if you were faced with a similar situation? I want to hear how the tough guy that is so easily able to applaud other vigilante murderers for taking matters into their own hands... I wouldn't die quietly and I wouldn't murder anyone over it either. What is your personal solution if this happens to you? Be a man for once and answer? Big wimp.

[OneViewpoint]

@Friendlybro79 ,

ROFL, what would a kneeling simp of a slave like you know of manhood? Yes, you will die with a whimper and be quickly forgotten by your own family. You should consider going trans. You don't need to worry about having your balls cut off.

[Friendlybro79]

Stop deflecting. Be a man and answer the question. Your words are weak and quite telling about you.

[foxsquirrell]

@Friendlybro79 I am not personally arguing with you anymore, because I realize it is useless. But yes I totally agree with the other guy. I don't need to repeat what he said using different words.

[OneViewpoint]

@Friendlybro79 ,

Have you scheduled your trans surgery yet? Hope your insurance covers that ya FriendlyGirl.

[Friendlybro79]

@OneViewpoint hahahaha. That's actually funny.

I knew you weren't going to answer because you're clearly impotent. All bark no bite. I figured.

You can go back to staring at your Luigi posters on your wall.

[JesseP1nk]

Luigi Mangione killed him. He is a killer. CEO of healthcare dont care about who dies because his actions. Just like YOU probaby dont care that people in Congo die to mine cobalt for your phone, your laptop for your electric vehicle etc. Thats how life works.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/CIWvk3gJ_7E

[foxsquirrell]

Yes you are right. I don't really care about people in Congo. It does not mean that I don't care about other people though! If that is how life works, expect more. What kind of argument is that. Saying to me this is how life works. More specifically how greedy people work!!! And Mangione had the balls to do something about it. Not that I recommend it, because look now he is alone fighting the law, and people like you don't even support him.
The Congo people of they want they can stop working and go hunt or something. Here we are talking of a completley different situation. Clients paying there dues, a lot of dues, and then typical bastards they try to find all the excuses in the world to deny and to delay your treatment. Not saying that every claim should be granted because people can be unreasonable too, but I'm sure that the situation is leaning heavy on the side of healthcare for denying and delaying more claims then it should. I heard that they made a jump in profits since the slain CEO took office! How? People stopped needing medical attention all of a sudden? OR healthcare got greedy?

[Friendlybro79]

Who gets to decide who gets claims granted then to decide when you get to murder the person who denies it?

[Anonymous]

1. When someone who has no medical expertise, has never been to med school, and has never spent a single second with you to understand your issues, and has the ability to make life and death decisions about you or your family members, that is a HUGE problem.

2. When someone decides that its okay to kill someone dead on the streets in the name of justice, that is a HUGE problem.

Both things can be true, both can be the villains.

[foxsquirrell]

But Mangione only killed one person, and he killed the person who was killing a lot of people indirectly plus causing a lot of pain and suffering to countless other people.

[blackeagle007]

2 wrongs don’t make 1 right

[foxsquirrell]

@blackeagle007 2 wrongs dont make 1 right does not fit in this case.

[blackeagle007]

Luigi is charged and has no bond. He still committed murder. I don’t like Brian Thompson at all, he’s total scum but Luigi had no right to do what he did

[foxsquirrell]

@blackeagle007 poor guy this Mangione. Even people who dislike or even hate that swine brian thopson are not even offering their support! Even though it was revealed that Mangione first thought to kill the ceo with a bomb, but then opted out of that option because he was worried that innocent people might get hurt or killed, and so he targeted him with surgical precision. I can't believe it.

[msmissydc]

Both kinda!
The ceo was the villain. Luigi was the vengeful avenger.
That being said, both brought death and killed or let people die.
You could argue that Luigi saved people but in reality someone else will take the CEO place and continue to do it. So nothing changed except an additional person died.
You can't change the system with violence.

[foxsquirrell]

I dont quite agree. Because they might be more caring and less profitable now, out of fear that this will happen again. Also Luigi killed a killer. The CEO and his friends did not kill one person, but many persons. Plus the additional pain and suffering they caused. You do not steal millions from people and expect it to go down well. Sooner or later someone will have enough and take the law in his own hands since the law is inaccessibly to most people due to its high legal cost, and even if you afford it I'm sure the healthcare will afford a better lawyers with the money of its own victims, and that's the irony. Those who sympathise with the CEO say he was a father and a husband. And what about the healthcare insurance clients who were denied medicare? Weren't they fathers, mothers, husbands, and wives? If they want to talk with numbers then the numbers are disproportionately loaded against the CEO and his friends in the healthcare system.
I think his assassination was justified. The problem Mangione has is not a moral one, the problem he has is that now he is practically alone facing the law. And I hope the CEO rots in hell for eternity.

[McLlovin]

I dont like the CEO at all, and i admit after hearing the stories of the people he hurt i felt like he deserved it. But After Charlie Kirks death and seeing so many people celebrating Charlie Kirks death, i finally understood how the family of the CEO felt despite himself being a terrible man. We can't stoop to being a people of violence that supports murder. No matter who it is or how much we dislike them. We shouldn’t normalize murder.

[Hussar]

Brian Thompson was ultimately a cog in the machine. Nothing will change as a result of his assassination. Luigi Mangione is a vigilante with no restraint who arguably put resistance against cruel industries like health insurance into a more difficult position.

We need strong leaders who will wield their power justly to bring industries like health insurance to heel, not so e guy who wants to play hero for 15 minutes.

[AviatorTom]

Mangione committed cold blooded murder.

Interesting how this question doesn't even mention the man he murdered. His name is Brian Thompson, who was married with two young sons when he died.

[Sabretooth]

who'll be pretty well off.

[Phoenix98]

They both were as they were both murderer's. A murderer killing another murderer is still murder still killing someone in cold blood.

[foxsquirrell]

It is murder if you cause the death of someone for no justified reason. If you kill someone in self defense it is not murder. We can argue that Mangione killed to defend the thousands of people from that monster. From that greedy son of a bitch. What else can you do in front of this ongoing injustice on such a large scale. Take him to court so that he gets better lawyers and win the case?

[Phoenix98]

It wasn't self defense though the CEO wasn't actively and physically attacking him. It was Murder you can argue about it all you want but it doesn't change that fact.

[foxsquirrell]

I know the term self refers to oneself, but it can be used as a defense to save the life of someone else. Did you not know that?

[DryGermanGuy]

How about, they are both villains in different fields of criminality?

[blackeagle007]

Please no death penalty for Luigi. It’ll make him be a martyr to some peoples eyes. Lock him up for good. World is better off without Brian Thompson as ceo of united care but still you can’t commit murder.

[AddictedToWomen]

Luigi is a hero he's basically one of our few modern day people that could be compared to assassin's in Assassin's Creed games, along with that of Charlie Kirk.

[Sabretooth]

greed is a risky business.