As always I'm looking forward to an answer. Thank you in advance GaG.
Why do weak and pathetic men project their own insecurities onto women?
As always I'm looking forward to an answer. Thank you in advance GaG.
Wallowing in self-pity is easy. It's even easier if you can get a bunch of like minded saps to sympathise with you and throw you a pity party.
That is what many of the losers on GAG seem to want/need on a regular basis.
It's a lot harder to acknowledge that a)the problem may lie with you b) it's within your power to change it c) the reason you haven't fixed it may be something you are not ready to face yet.
I've seen more than one guy on here who cried about never getting a girl, to be followed by declarations of how maybe he should start dating guys because girls are mean... and then when the world didn't collapse in burning hellfire at the suggestion of him dating a guy, he eventually admitted he might possibly be gay. This was a guy who was always gay, and in deep deep denial about it. He had to tip toe his way towards his admission to himself and the way he did that was by blaming the women. They were too mean, too disinterested, (too fat, too thin, whatever Goldilocks) ultimately they were too female. He just couldn't admit that.
Not every loser is gay and in denial of course.
The so-called Nice Guys are the worse. Often crippled by social anxiety and fear, they live lives of quiet timidity and shyness, avoiding parties, laughs and good times as if they were biohazards. And then they expect a gorgeous girl to want to share that miserable life with them, all because he defines "nice" as "I give her compliments and don't punch her in the face"
The don't define nice by what they are - they define it by what they are not. I don't abuse girls. I don't treat them badly. I don't cheat on them... therefore I'm nice.
They literally have so little going for them that they can only define themselves by what they aren't.
I love your paragraph on so called nice guys. You said it perfectly
Because it's easier on their mind to blame someone else and play the victim. This applies in many other circumstances as well. Nobody ever honestly want's to admit that they are wrong or that they have problems. You're right, the same people often live in the self pity world but it makes sense as it goes together. They want that attention of people saying that it's not them that has the problem. Nobody goes around talking themselves down looking to be confirmed.
I'll admit that I was once there especially early high school but I feel things have changed a lot since then
Same here. I was a broken record really and when I finally just actually put myself out there boom success came instantly. I have tried to help guys on here but when I tell them my story they act like it's a fairytale. It's just how the world works and people need to accept it sooner or later
- It is much easier and more emotionally satisfying to paint yourself as a victim rather than the problem. I've noticed that this has become a popular fad, everyone seems to think they have the market cornered on human suffering these days. Perspective is a good medicine for that. Without any effort, it's easy to find someone who's had a worse time of things.
- It's also much easier to blame others for one's own shortcomings. "It's not me, it's them." I think everyone does this, to some extent.
- And lastly, entitlement. Some people actually think they're owed love, owed sex, owed a relationship. They think they should just be able to have all of that without actually working for it and compromising.
My thoughts - People don't owe you love and sex and a relationship simply because you're a decent human being, it just doesn't work that way. People have to work at relationships, they have to compromise and think of what's good for BOTH involved instead of just looking out for themselves all the time.
Oh you're still crazy, just not about this :-P
Thanks :-)
It's easier to blame someone else than to reflect and take personal responsibility for ones weaknesses and faults.
I also want to add, in the nice guy situation:
Do funny people have to tell people they're funny?
Do smart people have to tell people they're smart?
Do well-cultured people have to tell people they're well cultured?
So why do nice guys feel the need to tell people they're "nice?"
If you have to tell people, then you're a fake and phony and there lies your problem
Its easier to blame your shortcomings on other people. They misdirect their failure into hatred for the opposite gender.
Simply spoiled people who believe that they are entitled to the bodies and minds of other living things, simply because they said so.
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I don't see how that's 'projecting', but anyway...
Well, look, a lot of men feel they've been tricked. They feel like they've been tricked by the media, by the academia, by their own parents, and by girls. They feel that they have been tricked into believing that being nice, friendly, gender-neutral and politically correct will get them girls. Can you really say that society sends the message to boys growing up that it's GOOD to be masculine? I feel like I was given the opposite message. It was only through my own experience that I found out that it's actually masculinity that women find attractive. Luckily, I was able to de-program myself. But then I've always been a very determined person.
I agree with you that many men are weak and pathetic. But everything has a cause. These men didn't raise themselves.
At some point, we're going to have to decide whether we want a gendered society or a genderless society. Actually, I think we've already made that choice. In fact, a girl on GAG posted a New York Times article recently about feminist Sweden. It's a left-wing newspaper, and the article was of course a mostly praising one written by a woman, and yet it admitted what many feminists in the Anglo world refuse to admit, namely that feminism has some bad effects: "In this new world of the sexes, some women complain that Swedish men are too politically correct even to flirt in a bar." link That sentence should send chils down the spines of women who expect men to be the ones making the first move (in other words, almost all heterosexual women, even the so-called 'feminists'). Because, as all girls will admit if they're being honest, this politically correct nightmare is already the case in the English-speaking world.
What I mean by projecting is that they will pretend like all of their own personal issues are the fault of a woman. Let me say that of course there are women who have issues when it comes to dating and their own personal problems too. I don't usually see them in complete denial at what is going on within themselves though. I talked to quite a few guys on here who think if they're nice and not ugly that's all they need for a relationship. They think it should fall into their laps. It's kind ofsad
Projecting is when person A says to person B, "You're so racist", when in fact it's A who has the racist thoughts. But, yeah, I know what you mean. I don't see people in complete denial though. That said, I don't see how one could be considered in denial about something that is subjective. I don't think that even the bitter guys here think that relationships will fall into their laps: I think they all accept that they have to make the first move; it's the rejections that make them bitter.
To be honest, I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. If many men are like this, and many answerers here seem to agree with you (and I agree with you), then something has gone wrong with society. As I said, men don't raise themselves, any more than women do. I agree with the New York Times on what the cause of this is, which makes all the weirder that the NYT and others don't follow that analysis to its logical conclusion.
And I agree with the Anon who said, "A lot of women do it, too. But women tend to become more sad and depressed and angry at themselves for failing and men tend to lash out at others with rage and hatred." That Anon understands men in a way that few women do ( because a woman doesn't need to understand men in order to be successful). Add to that the fact that women rarely get rejected (because they rarely make the first move), and you can udnerstand why the sexes react differently.
Why does it mean something has gone wrong with society? Why can't people adapt to a new environment? To be honest I would never want a traditional style relationship or anything like that. I know I'm in the minority when it comes to men I've talked to. If society is changing though isn't it in our nature to change with it? Why not change our methods if we aren't successful with women? It doesn't seem like a huge predicament besides fear of change.
It's the women who are saying they want masculine, traditional men. It's the men who are changing (if indeed your and many women's complaint is true). You should be asking women why THEY can't adapt to the new environment.
Don't you think something has gone with society, if more and more boys are becoming the kind of men that women don't find attractive? As I keep saying, these boys don't raise themselves.
But, what 'senses' are those? One would think, if women knew what they wanted, they wouldn't raise so many of their sons to be so unattractive. Well, apparently, it is a huge deal. You have a problem with many men, and I agree with you. Many women here have a problem with many men. The NYT article says that many women in Sweden have a problem with many men and actually admits what the cause is. It's not enough that SOME guys aren't raised to be unattractive.
Instead of trying to cure the problem after it arises, why not prevent the problem? Or why not at least wonder what is causing the problem? You, I and many women agree that there is a problem with today's men. But, unfortunately, very few women are as honest as the writer of the NTY piece in identifying the cause of the problem.
I think most all people like to wallow in self pity man or not, people just have trouble overcoming life's obstacles. I don't know why you're saying their insecurities onto women, I can't really think of any... like maybe if theyre afraid the girl will cheat because he has no game or something
sounds right.
well that's because nobody wants to take blame for anything, or responsibility I guess you could say, nobody in this day and age wants to take responsibility... this is the reason there is so much bankruptcy, foreclosures, even social programs where people don't have to be responsible for themselves damn it affects every facet of life and pisses me off
Yeah I only agree with social programs for those who absolutely need it. Like the people who work 2 jobs and still can't get by on their own and have nowhere else to go. I've met people like this and it sucks that they can't even go to school to better themselves because education costs so damn much. Society definitely creates vicious cycles unfortunately.
Low self esteem can be a real problem for all of us , not just for men. I don't understand why you think guys think they are being nice when they make themselves look pitiful.I do not think anyone wants to be in a position like that. Getting a hand from other people is OK. Getting a rid of predicament sometimes takes other people's help on this.It is justified to ask for help , ask for a companion who might share the same feelings. :(
I agree with the part where you say we should not project our own issues onto the opposite gender.That is even more pathetic than the real pathetic problems themselves. So you are right about that. But showing the weaknesses are not always bad thing.
i agree with you in the sense that men like girls to do eerything for them, they think girls don't like unattractive or average men but most of them don't even care about ugly girls and they also complain about making the first move, it is as if they want the girl they like to suddenly like them and do everything to get with him
Entitlement
I want something without having to make an effort
I have no possible flaws, if someone doesn't want me, something is wrong with them.
It somehow empowers me and I fell less weak and pathetic. But the relief is quite temporal and thus requires a great deal of repetition.
A lot of women do it, too. But women tend to become more sad and depressed and angry at themselves for failing and men tend to lash out at others with rage and hatred.
I find it silly how so many guys blame feminism for all their problems. Feminism has nothing to do with:
Why you can't get laid
Why you can't get a date
Why girls like bad boys
Whatever else you bitch about
So yeah I totally agree with you QA
Same here. I'm not a traditional
aw thanks! I hate when they are slefrightous and stubborn. they think they are great but those things are what make them prject their insecurities rather than see they need to change.
Ikr. Very rarely a woman will do that. She will usually work on herself. A dude will pity himself and expect people to join his pathetic pity party.
Yep. I've noticed the same bs. > :-|
yea you'll find a lot of guys like this online, I hope they really don't think this way in real life... they must be miserable people. There is more to life than getting a girl. ugh..
so they odnt have to fele like they need to do something about it,
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