"All men pay for sex in one way or another" Is this true?

[Anonymous]

I've seen plenty of guys make this argument and there is some truth to it. Guys often pay for first dates and are normally expected to give great (which, in practice, means expensive) gifts on days like Christmas, Valentine's Day or birthdays. Or anniversaries. Guys are normally the 'breadwinner'.

All these things are clichés but most clichés have a grain of truth to them.

I'm starting to believe that a lot of male-female interaction is (possibly subconsciously) just a money for sex transaction.

[xxxHolicxxx]

So women are whores and men the clients?
Well, it depends on who makes more money and what the relationship is like. Married couples might have a shared account and people who just started dating and both make money might pay for their own stuff. Some couples barely go out on dates and just hang out and be together. The point is, I don't think that's the correct view of the situation, even if a guy pays for stuff like that most of the time. It just so happens that the guy makes (more) money, and/or he wants to pay. It doesn't mean he wants anything in return, he just wants to see his girl happy. As for presents, girls usually buy most of the presents. At least, most of the girls I know. It just depends on your personality and your situation. There are also plenty of girls who pay for dates. Does that make the men the whores?
My parents paid a lot of stuff for me as I grew up, or when I was in trouble, not because they want me to do chores or pay them when I'm older, but because they care about me and they happen to have the money.
This is not a logical conclusion.

[Asker]

I know what you mean.

[selfishstars]

My boyfriend and I have always shared the costs of dating. I buy him more gifts than he buys me. I make more money than he does. We split all our living expenses.

I have sex with him because I desire sex with him, not because of anything he'd bought or paid for.

[AdoringFan]

It's more like, women decide whether or not sex is gonna happen, that's just the way it is. Because of that, men would want to do something nice for her to make her decide that sex is going to happen. And those nice things often involve money, whether it's paying for dinner, movies, food she likes, whatever. So I guess men pay for sex, even though it's a bit shortsighted (is that the proper word? I have no clue).

[gray_sailor]

When I have sex with my wife, what she is getting from me is sex, same as what I give to her.

There is an element of quid pro quo in any partnership. I don't cook, she doesn't clean the litter boxes (5 cats).

But I'm never "paying" for sex. Neither is she.

[Robbey]

I make roughly three times what my boyfriend makes, maybe a bit more. I almost always pay when we go out, which is usually 2 or 3 times a week,

Am I spending money on him so he'll put out and I can get laid?

No, of course not, I spend the money because I have it, I like spending it, and I can spend it. I spend it on my boyfriend because I love him and like his company.

[Asker]

Well maybe you're the exception but I've noticed a lot of women here talk about a man's "ambition" and about how they won't let a man sponge off them but not as much talk as from men. I think most men have just accepted that they're expected to shoulder most of the financial burden unless the woman won't let him.

[Robbey]

My BF hardly lacks ambition and I wouldn't tolerate someone sponging off of me. I just happen to make more money and also I have fewer expenses (e. g. my house is paid for and my kids are out of the house).

In typical circumstances, the reason men are expected to shoulder most of the financial burden is connected with the expectation that women will shoulder most of the child-rearing responsibilities.

[mistninja314]

Have you ever heard 1 GIRL tell another GIRL this "WELL AT LEAST I AIN'T GIVING IT UP FOR FREE BABY" enough said, right? i1127.photobucket.com/.../ezgif.com-add-text_4.gif

that statement is at least 80% true if not more.

[Anonymous]

No. So if a woman paid for the date and you had sex afterwards, you would think that she paid for you to have sex with her?

It's much more common now for expenses to be shared, either in taking turns or going Dutch, what with both people working, so I don't agree that a money for sex exchange holds true. It's the 21st century after all.

Also, what the heck, we buy presents for guys too. Or any good girlfriend does at least.

[Asker]

The expectation of buying presents seems to be on guys more.

[passionforprince]

So when I pay for dinner and buy him gifts for his birthday, Christmas etc and I paying for sex as well. When I clean the house and fix his meals and shop for him am I also paying for sex. It isn't just the men who are "giving"

[kittykatbrat]

From personal observation = This is sadly true.

My question though is
"Why do men continue to open their wallets knowing this?"

[TwistedLogic]

Because life is short and sex is awesome. I used to be stubbornly against it, until I transitioned from idealism to realism.

[kittykatbrat]

Your point IS relevant but does perpetuate the cycle of "entitled bitches" on this planet.

[Klaatu51]

hahaha yeah

then they criticize me y i go with prostitutes... oh well

[Anonymous]

Mostly yeah. But this guy doesn't, all hail the messiah!

https://youtu.be/FrkktW-kNuo

[NordicInvader]

A nice little aphorism, but there is a fine line between paying with money, and paying with time/attention/money etc. Besides the goals are completely different in the grand scheme of things.

[I_am_repulsive]

Those things are not paying, those are basically because you appreciate them and love them. Not the same thing...

[BigbuttLvr]

For some, yes, but especially with the younger crowd, those women don't fall into the 1940s trap and actually want to be equal.

[Mgoods]

Haha, no man. You jumped from A to Z, in one step.

[damionrain100]

it is, we gotta pay for dinner right?

[Anonymous]

if you don't like it go try some man ass

[Asker]

I prefer p*rn instead. All the visual pleasure at great convenience. :P

[Opinion Owner]

yep i feel ya, i prefer a dildo all the pleasure no headache :)

[Asker]

I'd prefer a real woman though. Even if p*rn compares to real sex (it doesn't) nothing compares to knowing that a woman loves you. :/

[Opinion Owner]

thats better see you didn't mean that. I agree a real man is better its just hard to find a good partner

[Asker]

Agreed. I'm just really cynical about people's motives. p*rn seems safer.

[JaysunPro]

That's a broad irrationalization. Is this true?

[Despondency]

It's false.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately it's true in most relationships.