Do you think women who refuse to sign prenups are gold diggers?

Question

If the partner wants it as a condition before marriage and the woman doesn't want to agree to prenuptial agreement.

OlderAndWiser · Accepted Answer

Many guys think they "know" what happens in divorce court because they read some horror stories spread by the MGTOW crowd, but their fears are grossly exaggerated. Unless you enter a relationship already owning substantial assets, there is probably no need for a prenuptial agreement. To many people, suggesting a prenuptial agreement implies that you are planning for your marriage to fail instead of succeed and they interpret that as a horrible sign of your level of commitment.

Divorce court in my state (Florida) is extremely fair to guys today. Alimony is rarely an issue unless you have been married 15+ years. Assets and debts acquired during the marriage are divided equally. If you want to know about the law on a subject, don't rely on G@G users for info (unless they are an attorney) and don't rely on horror stories that you read about in magazines or newspapers.

bedroomdweller · Accepted Answer

I'm not marrying, ever.

But lets say I propose (considering she spoke about marriage at some point), she says yes, and eventually I ask her to sign a prenup... If she refuses because I would be "expecting divorce", not because I am trying to be safe and protect my assets (even though logically, I wouldn't marry in the first place...), then I would tell her the marriage is off because women marry you to lock you in, for you to supposedly "show your commitment".

If a woman refuses just tell her well, by that logic then you don't trust my love either, so there shouldn't be any marriage whatsoever.

Wonderer89 · Accepted Answer

I don't think it's as simple as "if you don't sign your a gold digger".
Money and assets can complicate things. On one hand if you love and trust the person why sign something for when your relationship finishes. On the other if you love and trust the one asking you should have no problem signing.
It depends on the person and where their insecurities lay. Personally I asked my husband for one as I had put up all of my money for property. We had conditions set that if he met the value of my investments the prenup will be dissolved, but in Australia even de facto relationships mean assets are pooled and split in the event of a seperation so marriage wasn't the deciding factor, just another document I asked him to sign and luckily he understood

samhradh_leannan · Accepted Answer

I don't know. Pre-nups are an awkward thing. They are important in some situations, but also, they are very unromantic and kind of depressing. So I understand the aversion to them 100%, but at the same time, I think they are a good thing and I might even ask for one when I get married.

JulieXO · Accepted Answer

Not necessarily, maybe she just doesn't agree with some of the terms. Or maybe if they plan for her to be a stay at home mom, she doesn't wanna be left with nothing if her husband dies.

likitb4istickit · Answer

Only an idiot would agree to get married in the first place since they are not required for a relationship. Prenups are not ironclad. Other than that f you need a 2nd contract to amend the shitty default terms of the first contract it's best to simply not sign the first to begin with.

ThisDudeHere · Answer

Not necessarily but in general yes. Of course one can assume that the thought of gold digging doesn't even occur to some women who are naturally kindhearted, so understandably they may assume that signing a prenup is equivalent to a man not trusting her.

But they must understand that marriage is a game with the odds stacked against the man in this day and age.

FemWorship · Answer

Agreed many are in the covert prostitution business
but others grew up in Disneyland and such would burst that love bubble.

I think both partners need to consider love on the rocks and what happens to them, cares for them should life's storms wreck a beautiful voyage; i. e. both should provide security to each other in that event IF love is really THE bond.

TheLuckyPizzaDog · Answer

Or just ill-informed or supremely naive. It's not a matter of trust, it's pragmatic. Protect your fucking assets. And because you literally never know what someone is like til after 10yrs of marriage.

blustar · Answer

Maybe they are.

you never know, the person you're marrying right now might say they want nothing from you now but later on they might switch up that tone.

there's nothing worse than a woman's scorn

i wouldn't trust any woman not willing to sign a prenup

Anonymous · Answer

It's better to never ask to get married than to ask for a prenup. It's like saying you don't trust them or you don't believe it will really last. Either way, it seems like they should break up if it is asked for.
Just don't get married in the first place. It is more financially beneficial to stay legally single. You can still have a ceremony and legally change her last name and exchange rings. you don't need it to be legal in the government's view for it to mean something special.

genericname85 · Answer

well i´d definitely want to do that, cause you can love a person all you want, if you lose the feelings, people change and they might end up fucking you over.. so this is not a sign of how much you love each other it´s a fundamental part of securing your own financial futur. if she doesn´t want to sign, she clearly has no interest in your wellbeing and is therefore not a good partner.

Tdieseler · Answer

wouldn't call it gold digging but women screw men over all the time and its worse because the justice/legal system supports it. A prenup is one way of a man protecting himself... lets call it a marriage condom.

Anonymous · Answer

Possibly, but not absolutely. But if a guy have any second thoughts about the lady he's with being adamantly against ever signing prenups, then he can always just cancel their wedding plans altogether and split. Otherwise, he can take his chances and find out and learn it the hard way later on after they are married on whether if the lady he's with is a gold digger for real or not.

Lithium65 · Answer

The way I see it is, that if someone wants their spouse to sign a prenup it means their not 100% committed and are already thinking about if it doesn't work out.
It's the mentality that is appalling to me. Bc divorce shouldn't even be considered an option.

WalterRadio · Answer

Then the woman is in it for the money. He should run. I know men who would have saved a lot of money by hiring escorts every week instead of getting married.

Chief16 · Answer

In my opinion, yes. My wealth is mine, her wealth is hers. No matter what the circumstances with the exception that she's been with me since the beginning.
If she's so confident about love, she will sign the prenup. Not be a leech.

stanhope5 · Answer

Women will never admit to being lazy sob losers that don't want to work because they feel they're too pretty. Them cunts will not admit it because it will make them look like a gold digger and that's bad

madhatters4 · Answer

i don't think we can say that unequivocally. some women who don't want to sign one might. but same may not... we can't paint all women who don't want ot sign a pre-nup as one thing or another

Anonymous · Answer

Yes. Let's face it, today marriage is an arrangement that is rigged against men in favor of women, and women are increasingly taking full advantage of that fact. Any man brave enough to enter into marriage should also be wise enough to insist on a prenup.

Any any woman who is not honest enough to understand why a man would require a prenup today is not marriage material. Period!

writing_essays · Answer

Let a guy abandon me to raise 3 kids after he leaves me for a younger woman who provides him with better sex than me? Any guy who wants me to sign up a prenup will get dumped by me.

Cosytoasty · Answer

Pre-nups have no legal standing in a lot of countries, they're worthless.

MargaritaPeach · Answer

I would sign a pre-nup as long as it included an infidelity clause. ;)

admles · Answer

If she's not in it for my money, and doesn't plan on leaving me, she has no reason not to sign the prenup.

Unit1 · Answer

If they do not sign it, then they really have a plan for divorcing.
Also then it's not all about "us" anymore.
So it's nearly inevitable.

Downvotes incoming at internet o clock *puts on tactical helmet and armor*

Anonymous · Answer

No but the man is really selfish, prenup in my country is generally use when a man marry a second time (he doesn't want his wife to have money, the house, etc... because he want to give it to his child) if it's first marriage he's just selfish.

AleDeEurope · Answer

Obviously. There's no reason not to sign a prenup unless you expect to take their shit.

Djaaaay · Answer

Pre-nups... hardly hold water in court. But I know of something I'm doing that is solid as concrete. In 97 , it worked 100% in my favor.. during divorce. So yes you wouldn't be asked to sign anything

Anonymous · Answer

I don't think they are gold diggers, they just don't understand why one would ask for it. Probably because asking for a prenup makes her think you don't trust her. which she probably thinks defeats the purpose of marriage.

Dred1614returns · Answer

My plan is to ask my fiancé to sign one, and I'm expecting a fight.  When she signs it, I'll tear it up.

Anonymous · Answer

I think that some women see it as a man's way of saying that he doesn't trust her or that he thinks she's a gold digger, which is hurtful.

Anonymous · Answer

Yeah I don't see why she wouldn't want money to go back to the way things were before marriage unless she wanted to take some of it

Anonymous · Answer

I wouldn't be quick to judge but I would take it as a yes. If she feels entitled to my stuff then that's not a good sign. You keep your stuff, I keep mine too. No need for a fuss.

Luv2run · Answer

Is it even marriage if your partner who you love with all your heart makes you sign a prenup?

Anonymous · Answer

No... it is an insurance policy., counting on a failed marriage. It is also a sign of distrust. If you have to sign a prenup, it is a sign he or she doesn't trust you... why get married then?

datgirl · Answer

Nope. I don't want to sign a pre-nup and I'm nothing close to being a gold digger.

Anonymous · Answer

Yes I do think that. Any woman who cares about you wouldn't want to see you lose all your stuff in case of a divorce.

peachblossomluck · Answer

I'd make a man sign a pre-nup.

DougTheDingo · Answer

Fuck marriage go MGTOW. ✌

NajemEddine · Answer

ofc if the preenup is fair

chrisbigman · Answer

They would tend to be, yes.

ColinHarvey · Answer

I think men who refuse to sign prenups are dumb.

disgustingweebtrash · Answer

Yeah, because there is no reason not to sign it.

HitGirl_4680 · Answer

What about men?

Anonymous · Answer

Not really

Anonymous · Answer

It's a good bet

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