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I would date and have sex with a transgender woman. I have no issue with people being who they really are.
I do feel a little guilty however that I would realistically probably only date a 'passing' transgender woman.
In terms of sex, a penis on a woman is less of a hindrance and more of an attraction for me to be honest. Although again I'd feel guilty for potentially reducing this person to a fetish.
With 50+% of population being women why in the hell would I go for a trans. No thanks surgery or not I think I'll stick to actually women.
i don't see myself myself dating a trans-though i have seen some that are hot as hell. even though i'm straight-i prefer this-i've seen seen and heard enough about the results-both instances-the dick is still there-just one is inside out... it's not pretty. i didn't go looking for it-but i do spend a lot of time online.
in fact-i stumbled across a vid of Blair talking about the surgery.
Guess its hard to change millions of years of evolution embedded in my genes.
I'll only be attracted to biological woman.
If I find out she's trans, I will lose all form of attraction.
You're not wrong
To be a man or a woman is a bit more than just having specific genitals. To me there is no 'trans' but only 'imitation'. I am not a social worker for the emotionally disturbed, and so will stick to originals only.
So, you're arguing against science?
Not. I am arguing PRO common sense and PRO choice. MY choice in this case. Interested: which branch of science, and which theory do you refer to?
Transgender women tend to have brain structures that resemble cisgender women, rather than cisgender men. Two sexually dimorphic (differing between men and women) areas of the brain are often compared between men and women. The bed nucleus of the stria terminalus (BSTc) and sexually dimorphic nucleus of transgender women are more similar to those of cisgender woman than to those of cisgender men, suggesting that the general brain structure of these women is in keeping with their gender identity.
In 1995 and 2000, two independent teams of researchers decided to examine a region of the brain called the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) in trans- and cisgender men and women (Figure 2). The BSTc functions in anxiety, but is, on average, twice as large and twice as densely populated with cells in men compared to women. This sexual dimorphism is pretty robust, and though scientists don’t know why it exists, it appears to be a good marker of a “male” vs. “female” brain. Thus, these two studies sought to examine the brains of transgender individuals to figure out if their brains better resembled their assigned or chosen sex.
Interestingly, both teams discovered that male-to-female transgender women had a BSTc more closely resembling that of cisgender women than men in both size and cell density, and that female-to-male transgender men had BSTcs resembling cisgender men. These differences remained even after the scientists took into account the fact that many transgender men and women in their study were taking estrogen and testosterone during their transition by including cisgender men and women who were also on hormones not corresponding to their assigned biological sex (for a variety of medical reasons). These findings have since been confirmed and corroborated in other studies and other regions of the brain, including a region of the brain called the sexually dimorphic nucleus (Figure 2) that is believed to affect sexual behavior in animals.
It has been conclusively shown that hormone treatment can vastly affect the structure and composition of the brain; thus, several teams sought to characterize the brains of transgender men and women who had not yet undergone hormone treatment. Several studies confirmed previous findings, showing once more that transgender people appear to be born with brains more similar to gender with which they identify, rather than the one to which they were assigned.
nterestingly, while the hormone treatments may have caused issues in the previous studies, they also gave scientists clues as to how these differences in brain anatomy may have arisen. Brain development is heavily influenced by the prenatal environment – what hormones the fetus is exposed to in its mother’s uterus. Some scientists believe that female-to-male transgender men, for instance, may have been exposed to inadequate levels of estrogen during development (Figure 3). This phenomenon could have two causes: 1) not enough estrogen in the fetus’s immediate environment, or 2) enough estrogen in the environment, but poor sensitivity in the fetus. Think of it like a cell phone tower controlling remote calls – the tower may not be producing enough signal (scenario 1), or the receiving phone may be unable to process the message (scenario 2). In either case, the call doesn’t make it through.
Possible scenarios underlying insufficient feminization. During normal feminization, sufficient estrogen is present in the fetal environment. The estrogen is recognized by fetal cells and triggers the development of a female fetus. In Scenario 1, very little estrogen is present in the fetal environment. Even though the fetal cells are capable of sensing estrogen, very little enters the fetal environment and the fetus is insufficiently feminized. In Scenario 2, there is enough estrogen in the fetal environment, but fetal cells are effectively “deaf” to the estrogen and the fetus is insufficiently feminized.
The amount of estrogen in the fetal environment is a little tough to measure – but there appears to be some evidence for transgender individuals having poor hormonal sensitivity in the womb. A team of researchers found that the receptor for estrogen (that is, the cell phone receiving the signal) seems to be a little worse at receiving signal in female-to-male transgender men – think a 2001 flip phone trying to process photos from Instagram. Thus, the signal doesn’t come through as clearly, and the externally “female” fetus ends up more masculinized.
For many years, psychologists characterized transgender identity as a psychological disorder. Some, for instance, believed it was a coping mechanism to “rectify” latent feelings of homosexuality, or the result of environmental trauma or “poor” parenting. No studies have been able to demonstrate this, however, and these “findings” are considered outdated and have been highly criticized for their discriminatory implications. Other psychologists have attempted to differentiate groups of transsexuals based on factors such as IQ and ethnicity; similarly, these theories have been overwhelmingly rejected due to poor study design and issues with ethics.
And so, while the list of causes for transgender identity continues to grow, it has become quite clear that it is not a conscious choice – similar to what has been described for the “reasons” behind sexual orientation. Still, at least 63% of transgender individuals experience debilitating acts of discrimination on a regular basis, including incarceration, homelessness, and physical assault. When about 1.7% of the population is in some way affected by cases of ambiguous genitalia at birth, these findings seem staggering.
So, where do we stand on transgender issues? Science tells us that gender is certainly not binary; it may not even be a linear spectrum. Like many other facets of identity, it can operate on a broad range of levels and operate outside of many definitions. And it also appears that gender may not be as static as we assume. At the forefront of this, transgender identity is complex – it’s unlikely we’ll ever be able to attribute it to one neat, contained set of causes, and there is still much to be learned. But we know now that several of those causes are biological. These individuals are not suffering a mental illness, or capriciously “choosing” a different identity. The transgender identity is multi-dimensional – but it deserves no less recognition or respect than any other facet of humankind.
That was interesting to read. I'll reconsider my reasoning; but still this will not change my own position of not being willing to be with a trans as a partner. I guess that this is my right.
I have absolutely nothing against that, everyone is entitled to their choices and their preferences.
👍...
Definitely not. Also, most transgenders still have masculine features so I can generally spot them relatively easily, so even without the dick I wouldn't. The dick just makes it more disgusting in my head.
You just think they have masculine features and you can spot them easily because you assume all the passing trans people aren’t trans.
No... it's in their facial structure. They have a bigger jaw, cheekbones are shaped differently, then legs and butt are shaped different as well. Ribcages are generally larger and more noticeable. Even their hands look bigger and more square-ish. You sound pretty ignorant to others opinions.
It’s not an opinion that you have. I’m telling you right now with 100% certainty that you have seen a multitude of trans women who you had no idea were trans. Good to know you’re really inspecting them, though.
I analyze everyone I come across... not just women. You're beyond help lol
I mean, sure, bud. I’m not the one creeping on people.
Lol you're a joke. Everyone analyzes others. It's a human nature. Enough wasting my time on someone that just wants to insult others that disagree with them.
Okay. I didn’t insult you at all. If I wanted to insult you, I’d call you fragile.
No I wouldn't be able to, I'd lose attraction once I find out they're trans. Not in a phobic way obviously, because I don't mind people who are trans. I just personally wouldn't be able to
Sure why not, but can't say for sure till it happens. Things happen to change when it's in front of your face.
I may run or embrace it. You just don't know. Unless your in that situation
Blair is decent person. I have nothing against her. I however, wouldn't date a trans girl who did somehow manage to get a surgically installed pussy. Gross.
Yep, I'm bi anyway so I'm fine with either genitals
Thats sexy
They're under 18... It's a bit weird to say that
Them being bi is sexy. Not speaking regards to them specifically. They are anonymous after all.
It's still weird 😬😬
You weird bringing ugly thought like that.
Not really
I am motivating LGBT youth community who most times have hard time being accepted.
What are is your motive?
I agree with @neesa your really suspicious @DaMack999
Uhhh I'm sorry but no one under the age of 18 wants a 30 year old to even say the word sexy around them. That's just creepy... and see I'm not the only one who thinks what you said is extremely off-putting
So no over 30 told you, you're sexy maybe u need to lose weight or fix what's giving you low self esteem. Instead of judging people's intentions on internet post. You got bigger problems.
Lmaoooooo I've been called sexy by guys over 30 you idiot, it's just uncomfortable
I'm over 18 but no one and I mean no one under 18 should ever be called sexy by a 30 year old man
I doubt that. You wouldn't be so defensive.
Ok groomer
Lose weight ugly
Not listening to a pedo lol
Ur the lesbian so offended. Sorry men don't Look at u. Look at the mirror. Ewww
Ok pedo
Yes I would but I wouldn't be in a relationship with them. I would mainly do it because I was curious about how they look and act like.
I think if their an outgoing person sure, everyone deserves a chance. Maybe keep the twig and berries away from the Netflix.
I'm just not interested in them romantically. I only like cisgenders. If I was a man, though, I'd try everything.
I wouldn’t date a transgender person period if I knew they were! I go by what you are born with, not what you turn into, identify with or have mechanically changed. And i say that in the nicest way I can! I prefer a mature female women!
I've been with a trans guy before. (Female to male) he was better than most cis guys.
I’d never date another biological male no matter how convincing his ability to look female is. He’s still a male.
I have nothing against them but I would not date them
I've spoken to and met transwomen. I can and have been attracted to them, but only post-op ones. I'm heterosexual only.
I do have some reservations, not because they are transgendered, but because they can frequently be mentally unstable.
I'm interested to know what information you are basing that last bit on? I am aware that in the media there are a lot of issues with this but we always see the 'dramas' not the boring normal stuff, and even then the drama is sensationalised. Perhaps this isn't an accurate representation?
Or is there more science or information that would indicate this actually is the case? I'm genuinely interested to know if any research or work has been done in this area, I just wasn't aware of any.
I wouldn't but don't mean I'll be disrespectful. I've been hit on by trans,. And gay men. I'll talk to them and when they cross the line I just remind them not interested. I really started seeing how women feel lol. Good learning experience.
I'm transgender and for what its worth, you sound like a nice person. It's nice you can see people and accept them for who they are.
We are all human that's what need to be remembered
Exactly. :)
I like to think that I'm socially progressive. However, I don't think I could date someone who used to be male. Especially if they still had masculine aspects such as a masculine voice, facial hair, etc