So apparently Jada & Will had an open relationship so it was "completely okay" for Jada to take advantage of August, have sex with him, and throw it in Will's face. Very interesting.
Like if you want to be in an open relationship, why not be single? 🙄#wasteoftime
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Don't tell me to mind my business. Jada & Will didn't talk about their whole life on social media for me to just "mind my business". If you don't have an answer to my question then keep scrolling instead of being rude.
Because their goal is the destruction of society (even if they don't realize it). What creates a society is several things, one of which is male overproduction of goods (we through out history were more capable of producing more, this originaly meant farming and building so we literally built civilization and produced the food to maintain it because we could make more then we consumed (this holds true today, if we look at taxes women consume more in taxes then they put in, men on the other hand put more into the system then they take out, specifically men pay based upon one study done 200x more in taxes then women do. 80% of domestic spending in the US (and 70% globally) is done by women yet women only account for about 30% of earnings i. e. they spend their money and the mans money too hence male over production).
The second is marriage. Now the reason why this matters is because a man will not overproduce on his own, he has absolutely no reason to do so (and statistics show this as single women or women who never marry significantly out earn single men and men who have never married however married men out earn all other groups by a substantial margin). By him being married he now has some one who he needs to provide for, the woman, and in return she provides him exclusive reproductive rights to her womb. What this does is give the man a reason to work as hard as he does, to provide for her and the offspring, to protect both of them, and it also ties him to the society and the future since prior to that whether the society burned or not had no real impact on him as he was more then capable of surviving on his own but now with a child he has a vested interest in making sure that society survived and flourished for the benefit of his offspring.
Now what does this have to do with open relationships? Well everything. With "open relationships" what they are doing is saying to focus their efforts onto sex, onto decadence, onto self. This takes away from what the child has. That is a child is put into a less stable enviroment which negatively impacts them. It takes away from the mans need to provide and protect because now he no longer has exclusive rights to her, it removes incentives on her to provide her reproductive potential to him because obviously you cannot do that with a "open relationship". This causes the complete collapse of the family unit, again the linchpin for all of society to stand on. He has no real connection to the future because the focus isn't on producing for society and family its on personal pleasure, he has no connection to her because their is no exclusive reproductive rights, so it all falls apart.
This is why socialist push the destruction of the family unit, why they pushed for "free love" and casual sex, why every socialist group from feminists to BLM all oppose the nuclear family because its the only way to collapse a civilization and then, their goal is to rebuild the society as they think it should be built (to the detriment of all people themselves included (but zealots don't realize this and end up being the first to be taken out by the new regime).
This is why this is normalized, it destroys society, it takes parents out of the home and puts the raising of children into the care of the state allowing them to indoctrinate them (hence the push for women to work. Work has never been glamorous, long work weeks doing meanial tasks is never fun yet that is precisely what our system suggests it is. This meant that children were raised by the state (in the case of the US our educational system) rather then parents so the state was instilling the values rather then the parents and thus they could homogenize the ideological beliefs of a generation (and as we can see now they were largely sucessful in this).
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Welcome to the era of trash where people throw out morals and ethics out the window and love doesn’t exist, what a time to be alive trying to seek true love. Pft yea right.
@Oram52 if you view them as subjective then take a look at society today with the brink of war on the horizon and all for what? Territory, ideology, etc.
Rights. You are violating their rights if you commit murder and usurp their private property. Otherwise evil of Nazis would be justified. Non-aggression principle.
I don't know about this situation but open relationships aren't a free for all kind of thing, in a normal relationship you'd talk about who's going to be added if anyone. The couple will also be very secure in their relationship before embarking on this next step. It might also fill a need like I've talked to this couple before who were in an open relationship and they explained to me that she can't stand anal, and so once a week/every other week he gets his fill, he still loves her very much, she knows where he is, as in building, is not doing it behind her back and it's not like he is doing for anything else. It can also be a sense of adventure having a third partner to mix things up a little. A lot of people seem to view open relationships as a way for people to cheat when it's not normally like that, like guy comited and girl whores around vise Versa, it's normally for a very solid relationship, hell a lot of times there's watching on both sides of their partner being with another
Personally I don't think I could be in a open relationship quite like that, I have however had fantasies of being in a swinger situation mayhap in my forties, but again I would have to have been with him for years and trust him with every fibre of my being before doing something like that together.
Open relationships are for insecure lovers. They love each other but are both afraid to be cheated on. The solution? Seem more desirable to your partner and agree to both be free to sleep around. Those relationships are very short-lived though, because if you really care about each other, jealousy will take over rather quickly. To me, open relationships are strange. Either be friends with benefits (no emotional connection but sexual connection), a one night stand or true lovers. There is no in between in my opinion. True love and companionship is full and complete devotion to another person. Anything else cannot be considered a real romantic relationship.
My wife and I have been married for 20 years we have had an open marriage for the last 10 years this is possible because we completely trust each other and we can separate sex and feelings while we play with other people we both know that at the end of the day it's still gonna be the two of us together
Honestly, if that’s what works for them then that is what we should respect. The situation between her and August was never meant to be publicized, he forced her hand when he decided to spill the beans. That red table talk would never have happened otherwise. What’s being normalized is respecting what works for couples within their relationships. Who are we to judge them over a situation that was never for us to know? Open relationships aren’t your thing? Cool. It’s not for millions of others, including myself. But that should be the end of it. There are much bigger issues happening in this world.
I respect your opinion, but I do not and I will never respect someone who openly boasts about their adulterous and whorish ways. You cannot ask for respect yet you don't even respect yourself.
And if it was never for us to know, cool. Well now we know. And since they decided to put it on social media we have the right to judge. Jada talks about her whole life on the red table so she's automatically giving us the right to judge her by putting her business on social media. Open relationships aren't my thing, I still show respect to those who practice it but I hate that people are normalizing this nonsense and making excuses for cheating.
You’re entitled to your opinion and have the right to feel as you do. As I said in my initial statement, open relationships aren’t my cup of tea either. However if that is what works for them then that’s their business and we should mind ours. Why don’t you exert this energy to the situations of bigger importance happening in the world? Rather than passing judgment on celebrity gossip, all of that passion should go towards speaking out about things that really matter.
I don't spend 24/7 thinking about celebrities, all I asked was why are people normalizing open relationships? and then used Jada, Will and August as an example.
And me asking this specific question is me using my voice for something that actually matters. It might not matter to you but it matters to me. Because I care about this generation. they're trying to ruin this generation and the children in it.
At the end of the day, this site was made to ask questions, just because I'm talking about a subject doesn't mean I'm completely oblivious to other important situations going on around the world. Thank you for commenting and have a nice day 💞
I never said you spend 24/7 thinking about celebrities. Our values and “things that matter” differ greatly, but then again I’m not a 15 year old girl. You have a nice day as well love💛
Because it's the right thing to do. Some people prefer traditional, monogamous relationships, other people prefer open ones (of which there are countless varieties, every relationship is unique!). Both are entirely legitimate conceptsand people should be free to choose whatever suits them best, without having to be shamed and judged for no reason other than that they are breaking traditions. To answer your question of why not be single instead of in an open relationship - because and open relationship IS a relationship. With love, companionship, mutual plans, living your life together, and being committed (yes, commitment is more than just about sex). I've been in an open relationship before, my current one is not but it might be some time in the future. I also know plenty of people who are or have been in open relationships before, so I can tell you these things from lots of experience: 1) Open relationships are no less or more committed than non-open ones. 2) Every open relationship is different, just like every non-open relationship is different. People have a lot of assumptions and think an open relationship is one specific thing. You do not know what exactly is "open" in a given relationship. 3) Open relationships are NOT the same thing as polyamorous relationships. The latter are relationships where there's more than two partners - like a relationship between three or four people, in whatever constellation. While this is something I'd personally not want, it's also totally fine if it works for other people! Open relationships on the other hand are between two partners, the only difference is that they give each other some kind of freedom in regards to sexual and/or romantic encounters. What exactly those freedoms are, varies from open relationship to open relationship (see nr. 2). 4) An open relationship is NOT an "excuse to cheat". Here's the thing - you can still cheat in an open relationship. Cheating is doing something against what you and your partner agreed on in regards to your sexual and romantic life. Every relationship has its own set of "rules". 5) Open relationships require A LOT of communication. Every relationship does, but open ones even more so. Because you have to talk about these rules very openly and specifically. So, a functioning open relationship is probably on average the healthiest one, because it includes a lot of open communication. Traditional relationships more often than not fail at this crucial point - people just don't communicate properly with their partners.
People need to stop acting like monogamous relationships are the one and only way to go. Because the reality of things is that the vast majority of relationships don't last. People don't communicate, they're frustrated, they cheat. Alternative relationship concepts could save a lot of people's relationships. But the only thing that matters is that people should be free to choose whatever works best for them and their partner. And all of these concepts are legitimate. That's why normalizing open relationships is absolutely the right thing to do.
It's incredible how judgmental people here are. 100% projection. The only "right" way to have a relationship is how YOU prefer to do it. You people are narrow-minded pieces of shit, plain and simple. And that's the reason why most of you suck at relationships, haha. Thankfully, the real world is full of open-minded people, social people.
But hey, if any of you asshats has an actual argument against anything I said, go right ahead. But I have a feeling you're all just having purely emotional knee-jerk reactions. Like I said, 100% projection. ;)
As someone who is pretty strictly monogamous, I don't see an issue with open relationships. I don't consider them to be the same thing as being single except with a different label. Though I do respect your opinion.
There are a few different types of open relationships. The first being that you are in a more traditional relationship with one person, but are allowed to have sexual or romantic flings with others, these flings never really amounting to a proper relationship by themselves, some of these people not actually even wanting to have a second proper relationship because they only desire that with the one they're properly with. The second type is one without having romantic or sexual flings, and instead having several peoper relationships.
As you can see, in the first type, it's not like being single because you actually have that strong, traditional relationship with someone. And in the second type, you have several strong, traditional relationships. Neither of these reflect being single as being single doesn't have strong relationships, being single just has a bunch of flings and fuck buddies. Now, that's not to say there aren't people who are in "open relationships" which are practically single, but what I'm saying is there are some, if not plenty, of legitimate open relationships that in my opinion shouldn't be diluted into being regarded as an embellishment of being single.
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Because today's standards are slipping into the gutter. In many aspects. Celebrities change partners often so sheep that can't think for themselves - the same sheep who emulate clothing, etc. - follow suit. .
But I'm an attractive young woman with a successful job, good personality, etc. in my 30s. I've no interest in guys my age bracket. Older only. Most guys my age, particularly if they didn't grow up in structured households (e. g. military, country lifestyle, religious, etc.), are more like boys in adult bodies than actual grown ups. They lack responsibility in that as long as it's easy then they're fine but when the going gets tough they run away faster than a field mouse. Makes them unappealingly unreliable.
But that leads to cheating & open relationships are just another word for cheating. Only the doormat spouse / girlfriend / boyfriend tries to soften reality/the blow by making it seem like it's agreeable (an "open relationship") to them too. Makes them utterly pathetic.
This is the world we live in now, committing to someone has become a foolish thing to do. Most women are promiscuous, even if a guy wants a relationship it's usually not worth it. Women decide how the dating world looks they have the power of choice who they want to bang and men just adapt to it.
Women wanted to fuck around and now it has happened, congrats. Men have acepted that every woman has like 50 other guys in her phone ready to jump in. They've accepted it's just their turn and no woman is really committed to them so they just take the fun they can get and move on.
Exactly. Its honestly easier to have 2 or 3 sluts as girlfriends at the same time and live like hugh hefner than it is to even find one nice girl to go on a date with. Its sad because i just want one good girl and a nice family but its just not an option as far as i can tell.
Well, it didn’t seem like an option for me either. I’ve only wanted a committed relationship and have been lied to guy after guy. People trick you and we live in a world where dishonesty isn’t bad anymore. It’s difficult to find good people in general these days.
Well if you look at domestic violence for instance it takes two people to fight but men get most of the blame because we're stronger. It also takes two people to have sex but women are the ones with the power in that area. Men can make their own decisions but they're not the ones who shape the dating landscape it's women. Men just walk through it and usually take the path of least resistance or lowest risk. If anythings gonna change it's up to women but I don't think it will happen it will only get worse.
Yeah i agree. Id prefer to have just one good girl but since girls like to be sluts and divorce is allowed for no reason i am not going to marry a ho. And by nature its easier to get an easy girl so i can have two girlfriends for the least work and the least risk vs marrying a slutty girl is low reward because how can i be proud of a slut and also its high risk.
Yeah, you shouldn’t marry a person you don’t trust. I thought I’d NEVER find a guy who doesn’t lie to me and decided to give up on dating forever because let’s be honest, dating is an absolute shit show. Few good people out there.
I finally found the love of my life after I gave up on dating. It’s not impossible but you have to kinda just let go of trying so hard, otherwise you’re going to end up disappointing yourself more.
I dunno to me a relationship is more than just sex, and sex can be shared as long as you are both all about it. Sexual exclusivity is an interesting concept but being disgusted by open relationships is rooted in religious dogma. Let consenting adults be consenting adults... I hate how people say "why don't you just be single then?" Because a relationship is more than just sex, and the fact that monogamous people can't comprehend that at all is really annoying, and makes me feel like they are really unevolved, thinking a relationship is ownership over ones genitals is just wrong. I am in a great monogamous relationship but I can definitely understand open ones and I was in one for 7 years...
It is being normalized because we are becoming more understanding, more open, we are more sexually expressive, it's not considered dirty or wrong so much any more (religion did that too), and people have more freedom over their lives, women are working too so they don't need to be financially supported, having less kids so they have more time to take for themselves.
Bothered? Asking? No pal, you were the one who seemed to fail to understand why others think differently, hence my comment. If you have such issues involving this then take it elsewhere or deal with it like a mature adult, I'm not a therapist.
I think this is "rationalizing" rather than normalizing.
Cheating is cheating. It's irksome to have men strolling around asking for free hookups. Assuming that all women are easy and okay to be a side piece in other people's relationship is such a rotten attitude. No matter his wife gives permission or not, it's disrespect.
"and the fact that people can't comprehend that is really annoying" yeah I'm not the one with the problem, lol I already stated each to their own and put across the others point thta you can't understand since I can see BOTH sides regardless of whether I agree or not personally.
@el_Te_de_la_Rosa It's not cheating if you are both on board, and of course I think in such a situation the woman should also be seeing other people too...
@NorthShoreCalling I see both sides, one is just closed minded and it isn't mine, as I have stated both open and monogamous are just fine as long as that is what the people in the relationship want, I have had both types and I am open minded which is why I am ok with both, it is the monogamous people telling me how wrong I am for being open, look at @el_te_de_la_rose right up there, cannot even see how it wouldn't be cheating if you both agree to it and are both seeing other people too, and she thinks I "assume all women are easy" and even use words like "side piece" I would never use such language to describe any one.
@NorthShoreCalling Also take a look at womens top fantasy. Always involves gang bangs, multiple men, being watched... These are "monogamous" women speaking... It clearly isn't as natural as you think it is, otherwise people in relationships wouldn't cheat, or watch porn, or ever seek anyone else once their partner dies or they break up. How many people have you slept with? I know GaG has a lot of virgins but I assume most people who aren't virgins have slept with more than one person... Not monogamous.
Well, it's a man who used the word first. Before this I learned that it's called "side chick". But now women who are consent to be with someone else's husbands/bfs are seen as only sex objects. They are not a person to the men themselves. If it's okay for women to have multiple partners, acting like the male, why people over the world are against it? I don't say we are naturally mono, but we can train self-control as human should do. Don't act like you have only reptilian brain, no prefrontal cortex.
I don't mind if you call me narrow-minded because yes I'm selfish. I don't want to share my man with any other women. I expect him to be monogamous since I am monogamous. And I think you've got to learn that fantasy is just fantasy. How many straight guys watch gay porn? It doesn't mean they want it in real life. So, take time and think carefully. I don't mess with others' preference only if they're responsible of their issues. One thing I don't agree with is people who are in these open situationship becoming parents. That's confusing for the children.
@el_Te_de_la_Rosa I've only just got a notification for this, haven't read the comments because I don't when people show themselves too defensive for intelligent discussion. But from what I've read of your comment, I can see its still a problem 😂 which I could predict anyway. Bets thing you can do on hee is let their mystery eat them up, some people don't want truth because eit forces them to face reality, and some just can't deal with it. Best to just not waste your time, it's no skin off your nose, only theirs.
@el_Te_de_la_Rosa No worries, I just don't find it immoral, to each their own. I am in a happy monogamous relationship right now and don't want it any other way. I just don't think it is "sick and vile" as others do
It is not confusing to children it is confusing to adults, and they pass that feeling onto children... Just like explaining gay parents or adoption, their answers are usually just "oh ok" and you think it is a "hard conversation" but it really isn't... Anyway I have had enough of this conversation it can go on forever and neither of us will change our minds, thank you for your contribution and for not being too nasty as some of the other people here are who don't understand it at all, fear of the unknown is the driving force for hatred and repulsion here. Thanks again, have a great day :)
I think that most of them want the benefits of being in a relationship with the benefits of being able to sleep around. They think that because they can handle it intellectually, they can handle it emotionally, only to find out that humans don't work that way. That we can be more than upright chimpanzees doesn't mean that we're not animals. I, for one, say that people should be able to set the terms of the relationships they have, but you have to reap what you sow.
I also think it's unfortunate that so much media attention is being thrown on this matter; this is something they should be left alone to resolve themselves. I guess that's the price of fame, but I wouldn't want my relationship problems flung into the public eye.
I’m not against open relationships but I live in the PNW where open relationships are popular and many folks I know have tried open relationships and all they have to say is that is too much work. I believe I have also seen many couples try and give up because it’s too much work and not for them. I guess it might work if you have high energy levels and sexy drive, but why in he first place?
If you wanna fuck everything that moves, don’t enter a relationship first. I don’t know many people who are still together after that.
Because Millennials (and millennial-minded older people, like these two) are often garbage, narcissistic, and extremely entitled people. I know this isn't a very diplomatic, "open-minded" answer, but I seriously hate polyamory.
In my opinion, it's just cheating for immature selfish people who can't admit they aren't right for relationships, or grow up. And no, it isn't just "people just living their own lives however they want" when they involve others in it, and generally f*ck up the dating world for people actually looking for love and companionship, who have to deal with this trash on top of the needle-in-a-haystack of finding the right 'one'.
I agree with your opinion on the subject matter. But it's laughable that you brought up Gen-Y (Millennial) as, you are a millennial, and.. I am a millennial, I'm more traditional minded than roughly 95% of the Western population. So much so that I get seething hatred from both liberals and the other liberals (modern conservatives)
now that cheating and divorce rates in western culture. are often documented more these days. doing so could account for some of that factors. as to why the rates seem to be on the rise and more common.
however the rise of the internet, social media, online dating and portable phones. could also add to some of rise of rates with cheating and divorce.
since it is considerable easier to find someone new for a fling now. however also easier to be tracked and monitored.
because of this some people might opt for an open relationship instead. to have a small slice of happiness. rather then just being alone and miserable.
I really don't understand it. It seems like a really transactional thing. Like, having the 'relationship' for means of 'financial security', keeping that person on the hook for whatever reason, etc., while seeking out other people to "meet their needs" that aren't being fulfilled..
I don't think that behavior should be normalized. We shouldn't look at celebrity couples and think anything they do is really normal. They aren't relatable at all to us - yes they breathe and bleed like we do, but that's it... they live a completely different life than us. I believe a lot of couples in the celebrity cult do what these two are doing.
Where do people get the idea that they have an open relationship from? I think that's just an assumption people are making. If they had an open relationship why would Jada having sex with August be an issue?
Also, do people really think that she "took advantage" of August? Really? You think all of that bullshit about her "wanting to heal him" and to "heal herself" and how her jumping on his dick was a "journey" is anything more than her trying to justify having sex with him just because she wanted to?
Cause they're not commitment minded and want to keep one leg out/exit door open so if they find someone else they want to get involved with they can use the "we're in a open relationship" argument. It's basically two people wasting each others time and agreeing to cheat on each other.. which is stupid. If your're not ready for a relationship/marriage, then just stay single. It kills me when people get upset about their s. o sleeping with someone else but agreed to this kind of foolishness, you have no one to be upset with but yourself for bringing that into your relationship.
Sounds like you're a bit threatened and insecure about the fact that people will accept lifestyles that you're psychologically unable to accept for yourself. You're afraid of people doing things that you can't, because you know that if people can tolerate the downside of it, everyone will prefer it. Here's something to chew on: the men and women in my life who have been most sexually possessive have been the most primitive, shallow, naive, and backwards people I've met. If you value sex to the point that your relationship is built around it and it defines your relationship, you should rethink the value of your pussy or penis.
This is terrible tbh Open relationships are a terrible idea. They should be shunned and shamed. It's the only way to make it culturally unacceptable One partners isn't going to be ok with it. Any self respecting person woudlnt be ok with it.
It's mostly women nowadays suggesting that shit 😂 only Simps would put up with it.
Once people started normalizing premarital sex, twisting the Bible, have dealt with religious abuse, etc, everything went out the door. It will just get worse.
Open relationships are dumb af. I've always liked August and Will but i dont feel sorry for any of the 3. August knew she was married regardless of if she temporarily broke up with her husband. Like tf kinda shit... they all were in the wrong and i pity none.
Not a huge fan of cheating, but if they agreed beforehand to an open relationship, Jada technically has the upper hand and if Will knew it was an open relationship and that she cheated, he in turn should have done the same, in order to even it out. If not, well, it was an open one, meaning both at anytime can have interest in others, so both benefited from it, even if one took perhaps a bit much advantage of it. But the key is that commitment is not as mandatory so none of them would feel too much pressure to constantly make one another happy. Regardless, I think Will Smith and the rest of us should perhaps consider what he once was and what he stood for supposedly. It's a confusing situation, but all drama could have been avoided, had he kept his own words as important.
I don't know to be honest, but poly-relationships seem to become more popular nowadays. It's mainly because of hypergamy and because the people don't choose their partner based on the fact whether they want to spend the rest of their life with him/her anymore...
Welcome to the sexually liberated west intoxicated by the feminazis who are "empowering" women. People normalizing open relationships is the byproduct of failed family units and proper guidance. The more I see shit like what happened to Will Smith, the more I understand the conservative eastern world.
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