What would you think if your girlfriend wanted a break and gave you a hall pass?

[Anonymous]

My relationship with my boyfriend of 4 years is good. It's just that I think we should take a short break. In the meantime, I'll inform him anytime today or tomorrow that he can have a hall pass if he wants to. It doesn't have to be exclusive during the break. Also, I have a week vacation. I would like to use that to travel and do some hiking and other activities. After the break, then it resumes back to exclusive again.

I don't want a break-up, just a break. What would you think if your girlfriend wanted a break and gave you a hall pass?

[SarahS98]

Ok this is probably the most stupidest thing I've ever heard. If my husband ever suggested that, it would be grounds for divorce. That's literally asking permission to cheat. I would give them credit for at least telling it directly in my face so I don't have to waste my time anymore with someone trashy.

There are so many things wrong here:

- You want a hall pass to screw another man

- You want to cheat but not feel bad about it

- Neither of you should even be discussing sex topics

- Your friend is an incel with issues

- You don't even have any attraction towards your friend

I think if there is one thing that everyone failed to mentioned is what if your friend is one of those guys that becomes obsessed with you? You've mentioned he liked you before and asked you out but he rejected him in HS. What if after that stupidity is done, he won't leave you alone nor take no for an answer. Then you've lost a good, stable relationship and gained a possible stalker. I've heard of a couple cases like that on the ID channel. You're risking something great for something trashy that can turn dangerous.

[SarahS98]

I really have a very bad feeling about what the OP is about to do. I can only think negative consequences are going to result from that stupidity of hers.

[kylee2437]

I’d flip it and honestly be super curious as to why the person I’m dating wants this sort of type of thing. Very suspicious. I’d suspect that she’s going to be cheating that weekend away and wants to give that privilege to her boyfriend so she doesn’t feel as guilty. Honestly something like this can only turn out the correct way if two people are into open relationships to begin with.

[Asker]

Thought it wouldn't be cheating if I'm giving him the hall pass and tell him that we don't have to be exclusive during the break.

[kylee2437]

@asker yes but in order for that to be a thing, he would have to have the same mindset as you, which clearly looking at these comments the vast majority of people do not agree with your way of thinking. Your way of thinking constitutes “ I only think this way because it benefits me” attitude.

[OfMiceandMen]

To be honest, if I was the guy, I would think where is this coming from and what did I do wrong?

And, even if you did explain it to me, I would be like - is this normal?

The only picture I would have in my mind, is my girlfriend getting boned by some random stranger.

My suggestion to you is, if you're having these kinds of thoughts/feelings where you need to get out of the relationship and have sex with some random person on your vacation, then there are some serious problems with your existing relationship.

Whether you've been together for a long period and haven't had many partners and you need to sew your oats, then just do what you have to do, but don't drag your guy through something messy and give him the opportunity to do the same to clear your conscience.

You're just going to hurt him more in the end. You're welcome to try and see if he's open to it, he may very well be, but just remember once you open up the can of worms it will be impossible to put the lid back on again.

[Asker]

Well it's not a random stranger. It's for an old HS friend that lives in another city and he's been having issues with still being a virgin. He's been wanting to get rid of his v-card ever since he was 17 and I would like to help him. It would be like a favor for him.

[OfMiceandMen]

Did you ever date this HS friend before, were you romantically involved?

[Asker]

No I wasn't. I knew he liked me at the time though but explained we can only be friends. I feel bad for his situation. He's depressed about it.

[OfMiceandMen]

I realize you're just trying to be a good friend and I respect your morals about the whole situation (no dubious intentions), I'm just worried about how your boyfriend will take it. It's going to be a really difficult thing to convey so it doesn't hurt his feelings.

[Asker]

That's the thing. It's going to hurt him either way. I'll be honest about it and see how it goes. The issue would be if he doesn't agree and takes it as a break-up. I guess if it doesn't work, the one thing I can be happy about is at least I didn't cheat.

[OfMiceandMen]

I was thinking the same thing regarding the cheating part. As I said, your heart and intentions are in the right place, it's just whether he can see the forest for the trees.

Good luck when you speak to him and just be sure it does not come off argumentative... you are just inquiring. Keep it honest and appeal to the side - if he were in your friend's shoes.

[msc545]

@asker Fucking you a few times (or even many) will not help his depression, since he will know its a Mercy Fuck. I f anything, it will make him more depressed.

[SarahS98]

@msc545
Or maybe that depressed virgin can become an obsessive stalker that won't leave her alone afterwards. On her other responses the OP mentioned he liked her before and asked her out on a date, which she rejected him. Who knows what mentality, a man like that would have years later, since he's that depressed and likely has personal issues.

[SarahS98]

I hope the OP doesn't proceed with that stupidity. My hunch is telling me, there might be consequences afterwards, possibly bad ones.

[OfMiceandMen]

@SarahS98 For sure, the Asker should be careful not to lead someone on, that has depression.

[razelove]

I would think that she wants to cheat, but remove the guilt by saying "but you could have fucked around too baby!". She had time to plan out that break-up, besides being a woman which lends a much higher advantage in spontaneous fucks.
More than likely when that gets tossed my way, I'm getting really suspicious and starting an exit plan. Cheating isn't something to tolerate, especially if accompanied by flimsy excuses like "I'll tell you about it later".
If you started your relationship as monogamous, and your partner doesn't agree, don't try to push it into something it isn't if both of you don't agree there. Same goes for if he's pushing to mess around with multiple women but you're uncomfortable with it.
If both of you would be fine with an open relationship, then do that. Using the idea of a "break" is only going to incite jealousy and discontent with both of you.
Maybe you both like arguing a lot though...

[Asker]

It's a different case though. It's not spontaneous fucks nor a random stranger. It's regarding my old HS friend that's depressed. He's been wanting to lost his v-card since he was a 17. He never even been kissed. I feel if I can help him, I would do him a favor for once.

[serious_miss419]

U wanna give ur man a hall pass so another guy can have his way for 7.8 seconds?

[Asker]

@serious_miss419
Well if my break would be for a week, then I would be teaching him more so he can lean the basics and have some skills.

[Asker]

**so he can learn

[OlderAndWiser]

If there is something he needs to learn. . . you should be the teacher.

[DextroShade]

This is a terrible idea, you are basically destroying your relationship so you can pity fuck some incel.

[Asker]

@OlderAndWiser
I don't mind being his teacher on it. I've never been with a virgin man before. Now I'm getting more curious about it.

[razelove]

That actually makes it worse, rather than a ONS it sounds more like you're test driving another relationship. I wouldn't give a damn if some woman, old friend or not, told me she was a virgin (or just horny) and it was tough unless I was already interested in her.

If you put some effort into it, man or woman, you can find someone to sleep with, though a relationship is more difficult. You're putting yours on the line to sleep with someone else. Just be honest with yourself and your partner that you don't place much importance on it anymore. Whether it's your partner, respecting them, or the premise of monogamy that your relationship was founded on.

If someone is still a virgin at your age it's because of principles, even if they're autistic or ugly they could have bought a hooker or had something casual.

[OlderAndWiser]

Actually, I had not read the complete post when I responded. I thought you were saying you wanted your boyfriend to go get a lesson from someone else.

If it’s okay for you to go fuck some other guy, and your boyfriend to go fuck some other girl, why not just agree that you don’t need to be monogamous or exclusive any more?

[Asker]

Does it make it worse that don't even feel any attraction towards my virgin friend? If I were having sex with him, it would just be to get it done and over with for his sake, to give him some basic while feeling no romantic feelings for him, still viewing him as a platonic friend. I don't mean to sound harsh but he reminds me of the Jon Arbuckle guy from Garfield and Friends cartoon.

[OlderAndWiser]

Having sex shouldn’t be a social work project. The fact that you would consider doing this makes me wonder if you are really that dedicated to your boyfriend. Maybe you need to contemplate that question.

[WanderingLoveWizard]

@OlderAndWiser It's completely fucked is what it is

[msc545]

@DextroShade Exactly right. Good description.

[Miristheiss]

So, you are already cheating emotionally by having these close heart to hearts with this other guy and discussing sex with him. So being a good girlfriend (which you are not you are the girlfriend from hell and you are nasty and disloyal beyond all imagination) means going off to F-K some guy to help his depression and do sex favors.
You are basically a wh**e.

[Asker]

@Miristheiss
I don't discuss my sex nor relationship life with him. He was briefly saying about his sadness over not having what other people have whenever he goes out to the park or anywhere. I must really suck to be a real incel that can't get a girl. I feel for him (not romantically... but pity), for his situation.

[SoCk3t_PoCk3tZ]

Oh my god you are putting a break on your stable relationship of 4 years to spend it having sex with some depressed loser.

The depressed guy will get over it, it really isn't a big deal to still be a virgin even though many guys say otherwise - it's all an ego thing for them.

Your sense of morale is warped if you think this will all just be OK, that it's the right thing to do.

Tell the depressed guy to get over it, his time will just have to wait for the right person.

[SoCk3t_PoCk3tZ]

Don't do it. It's not worth cheating on the guy just because you justify it to being a "break," justifying it to being OK without guilt and consequence. This is so wrong, why are you even talking to this other guy? I hope your boyfriend of 4 years finds out and leaves you for someone more mature and deserving of his time and attention.

[SoCk3t_PoCk3tZ]

This is the most stupidest thing I've heard someone is about to do, in quite some time.

[God_of_Thunder]

I'd dump her, and tell her to have fun.

The fact that she would even suggest such a thing would tell me she's not the girl for me, and that the relationship is doomed.

[Asker]

I'll try telling him in a nicer manner. The thing is even thought a relationship can be so good, it's been 4 years and at some point, I'm sure there comes a time one wants a small break and well it wouldn't be that bad if he did a bit of exploration.

[God_of_Thunder]

I disagree, but you do you.

If a relationship is actually good, there shouldn't be a need/desire to explore with other people. Either the relationship isn't actually good, or you're not relationship material.

Sorry if that's rude/offensive, but that's how I see it.

[Twalli]

I'm approaching 5 years with my girlfriend, never had that urge.

[Miristheiss]

Basically you are just saying you want to go FU** some other guys but then you want to come back to this chump after so that you can have the "stability" and "title" of a relationship and access to his finances.

If my girl brought this up to me that she wants to go F some other guys on a vacation without me and is "OK" that I go F some random girl then I'd tell her to go to hell, we are done, never contact me again and she is free to go whore around all she wants. I'd give her all her stuff, say good riddance, block her and I'd start dating some new women immediately. I would think "whew, did I dodge a bullet with that nasty skank. She's a whore so go be a whore.

[Asker]

It would be just one and it's for my old HS friend; a 26 year-old virgin. I was willing to do a favor for him, to help him get rid of his v-card. It's killing him that he can't get a date, can't get a girl ever. He's been struggling with that since he was 17. I've seen him getting rejected over and over. I'm putting myself in his shoes and that must be a sad situation for a real incel. I'm not even attracted to him though, never was. I was thinking of doing that out of compassion for him.

[Miristheiss]

You say that is if it matters in any way. As if "OH, because it is a high school friend and he is down on his luck then it is ok to betray you man. It is a betrayal. You are saying you are going to have sexual intercourse with another man. You are going to kiss him, get naked and let him see you nude, you are going to let him touch you everywhere, you are going to feel that, regardless of whether it is "a favor", you are going to touch his penis, let him touch your vag, your clit, your breasts and nipples, caress you everywhere, sexually penetrate you, orgasm in you... etc.
Unless your man is into swinging or he is a big cuck... the vast majority of men are going to see this as an affair. Screw the hall pass, another man is going to F his girl, that is an extinction level event for most relationships.

To be honest, this is so "out there" that you are probably trolling us.
Regardless, you act like because it is a "favor" to this guy, your boyfriend should be 100% fine with it and it is no big deal. It is a huge deal.
To be honest, you even speaking with this guy like this is a breach of healthy relationship boundaries. You should break all contact with this guy and forget you ever had this thought at all. A loyal woman puts her man first, not some guy she used to know in school. Your relationship with this one is 100% inappropriate.
What makes you think your boyfriend will entertain this at all? What leads you to believe you won't just dump you?
Why are you even willing to risk this?
You should break off all contact with this guy immediately and go be a faithful, loyal girl to your guy. If you push ahead with this then there is a huge chance your relationship will be over.
If he has any strength, backbone, morals and self respect he will dump you immediately and have nothing to do with you again and he'll go marry and have a family with a loyal, faithful, respectful girl and leave you to your gutter life.

[SarahS98]

I wonder if the OP realizes she's risking too much. Who knows what that depressed guy with likely personal issues must be thinking. I just had a real bad feeling reading her post, as if something bad is going to happen.
If the boyfriend doesn't agree to it (what sane person would be ok with it; I'm a woman and I would go ballistic if my husband suggested a hall pass), they break up but she does her virgin friend; well what if that incel gets attached to her since he liked her before, won't take no for answer and becomes one of those obsessive stalkers. Then she lost a good boyfriend, a great relationship over a man with issues and gained a stalker.

Or in the unlikely case that her boyfriend accepts that deal. Then she comes back to her relationship but the incel won't take no for an answer, gets obsessed with her and stalks her. Then in that case, she put both her and my boyfriend at risk.

[DextroShade]

It sounds like you just want to cheat and giving him a "hall pass" is just a weak justification. It's hard for most men to find get sex from women, so your hall pass likely won't do him much good. Honestly you shouldn't even be traveling without him unless it's with family, because by "other activities" you mean having sex with dudes. You clearly aren't relationship material so just do the right thing and break up with him if you want to get back on the cock carousel.

[Asker]

This case is different. It isn't about random sex with strange men. It would be a one time favor I'll be doing for my old HS friend during that week. He's been dateless, can't attract a woman and has been wanting to do it since he was 17. He's now 26, my age. He liked me since HS but I would keep him as a friend because I never saw him in a romantic manner.
Though I'm willing to help him get rid of his v-card so he can be happy.

[DextroShade]

So you are going to cheat on your boyfriend and probably blow up the relationship just to give pity sex to some incel? This is why I tell dudes that their woman should not have male friends. This is a terrible idea, and the incel would still be miserable after you left.

[DizzyDesii]

The hall pass is the dumbest thing people can offer. If they ever get cheated on after that hall pass is up, I wouldn't even feel sorry for em. Once its allowed, it just is what it is at that point. Emotional affairs or sneaking around will likely startup/continue

[DizzyDesii]

And you offering him one will probably make him paranoid that you’ll be doing the same while off on vacay.

[DizzyDesii]

Oh nvm just saw you say you wanna bang some virgin friend. Lmao risking your relationship for this 🤣

[Jamie05rhs]

@DizzyDesii Wow. All of these other "virgins" are making me look bad. I really want to beat their ass. That guy is a sorry excuse for a human being. I don't care how much you want sex. You don't f some other dude's girl.

[DizzyDesii]

@Jamie05rhs He might not even know she's taken. she's the bad guy here. She couldnt be honest and tell her dude she wants to fck around so she takes a minor break to do someone else out of pity. What even is that 🤣 Help him get a girlfirend. Dont help by screwing him

[Asker]

yes he does know I'm taken.

[DizzyDesii]

Oh then you’re both horrible. You probably haven't been around this guy since HS. Whose to even say he's truly a virgin? He could be using tactics and manipulation. Either way, dont assume he's clean because he's a virgin. He still needs to be tested. But just know, if you do this, your relationship will never be the same. Your boyfriend deserves better. Just set him free. If he was truly okay with the terms of this break, he’d be some cuck askng to watch you two fck

[Asker]

When I was in HS, I witnessed when he was getting rejected whenever he asked a girl out. He couldn't understand what he failed in. Or other times, if the girl said yes, within a couple weeks he would come with the bad news of getting dumped or girl giving excuses, never progressing to boyfriend and girlfriend, never progressing to even a kiss. He once tried asking me out and liked me but I kept him as a friend. I just never felt any chemistry between and wasn't the type the you would go crazy about. Nope. He's not bad looking though, he's tall and ok but it's a meh, whatever. Then one time (we were in our junior year of college by then; 20-21 year-olds) I overhead him arguing with his parents about how he never had a girlfriend, ranting about how he'll likely still be a virgin at 30.

[Asker]

In regards to manipulation, well I doubt it. I've heard the way he talks (and his topics) and I think it would likely make someone fall asleep. If I were to have sex with him, I would just treat it as a favor. I don't even feel any attraction towards him. He reminds me of a Jon Arbuckle type from Garfield and Friends cartoon, dull, meh in appearance, kind of boring topics and would likely fail so badly at trying to manipulate someone.

[DizzyDesii]

Jon Arbuckle was hot in my opinion. But either way, its not your job to play captain save a hoe. Give him tips and pointers and send him on his way. But I still think you should set your boyfriend free because you're not in love with him

[Jamie05rhs]

@Asker Boo Hoo. None of that shit is your problem. That's HIS problem. Not yours.

And if you actually cared, then you would have gone out with him back then. But you didn't. So let the past stay in the past. #LetItGo

[Jamie05rhs]

And @DizzyDesii Everything you said is absolutely 100% correct.

[msc545]

@asker You are clearly NOT "taken".

[BrookeAZ90]

What's the point of the break? Those kinds of things don't help much I don't think. If things are going as such that you want a break then you likely just want a breakup. And if things are going "good" then you shouldn't want a break and neither of you should want anyone else during the break. If my boyfriend told me this, I'd probably just end it right there before it inevitably ended later.

[Asker]

That's the thing. I don't want him assuming that I'm calling it quits. I'm not. It's just a short vacation, a break from each other but not an ''it's over for good''. I'll trying to explain him in a nicer way.
It's just that when things are going good, at some point someone needs a short break and it might not be that bad to give him that hall pass.

[Miristheiss]

Oh, so he is supposed to just be fine with you getting butt naked and giving the most intimate parts of yourself to some other guy, let some guy ravage you and touch you from head to toe, be inside you, kiss you, give you orgasms and violate you in the most intimate personal way and then still ever want you again? What weak pathetic man would ever even be able to look at you again? If this boyfriend doesn't immediately dump you then he is the weakest, most simp loser on the planet.

[Miristheiss]

Being devoted and loyal is what of the best things a girl can be to her man. There is no loyalty in you. You're willing to lose everything over some guy you used to know because he is a virgin? Wow, the human race never fails to disgust me by how many vile, corrupt, putrid things people are capable of.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Miristheiss IKR?

[smashleyy]

Taking a break is never good. No one just gives their partner a hall pass unless they have hidden motives and it seems like you just want to be single during your vacation incase a opportunity arises. I mean you do you but don’t act like you’re doing him a favour

[nitsuj86]

I'd think there is some guy she wants to fuck that is not me.

If the relationship is good, why would you take a break? For a vacation?

Also, If you DO go on a break he can do whatever the fuck he wants. I would fuck as many women as possible if I was him, and then not get back together with you lol.

I'd break up with you for even asking the question seriously.

Probably a troll though, too stupid to be a real question.

[provokeesmokee]

You mean, like, just live your own life for a week?

That isn't a break, even, that's just... Normal life. You don't need to give him a hall pass to go travel for a week. He's not your employee or viceversa or anything.

If that's considered a break, maybe your relationship is more codependent than you realise.

Or are you explicitly wanting to fuck someone other than him/have him fuck someone else?

[EricSummer]

I would think she already found a guy she wants to fuck or she actually already did it, and the hall pass is meant to calm her conscience as I can get even.

A week is not enough for me to get a sex partner, except commercially. Plus, once I do get one I might want to explore things further with her. It would be a mess.

Time to quit I suppose.

[Adam1978]

That it's time to dump her. A relationship that are good doesn't need breaks and if it's bad she isn't even willing to work on it. So she doesn't value it anymore so cut her lose for good.

[Asker]

Ok understandable. I'm going to see what way I can tell him, in a way he won't get that offended. The plan is that after that break, there won't be anymore breaks. If he doesn't agree with it though, then I'll cancel my vacation immediately.

[Adam1978]

You don't get it. You can't ask for a break period. Doesn't matter how you word it. The act itself is exposing you.

[Twalli]

Say you need some time for yourself. Unless you want to fuck another guy, you don't need to ask for a break. If you want to fuck another guy then you should break up.

[catiecatie]

Shit technically I’m still on a break with my ex. It’s been a little over 3 years and he found someone. Does he look happy? Not at all compared to when he was with me. But I wanted a break. It seemed like we were more friends then actual boyfriend, girlfriend.

[RavVid]

I'd think she wanted a break in exclusivity which means there is some other guy she wants to fuck.

The next thought would be I don't want this girl in my life.

I would give credit that she is doing it openly and not behind my back as most people do.

[qwert1234]

I do not believe in a "break". It's either we're exclusive or we're not.

If we are exclusive, I don't fuck someone else. If we are not exclusive, I get to fuck someone else. I do not need a hallpass to do it.

Don't play games in a relationship.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

In life everyone needs a break & sometimes relationships do too. Although I’m not currently in a relationship if I were & my girlfriend wanted a break I would respect that & honor that as well. If she gave me a hall pass, let the fun begin!

[MysteriousDarkness]

I see the reason for wanting a break and giving him a hall pass is to try to get him to give you a hall pass so you can have sex with someone you went to high school with without felling guilty. What would you do if he declines the hall pass and doesn't give you one? What if he questions the reason for tge break amd the hall pass? Are you going to lie to him or tell him the truth you want to have sex with an old high school friend?

[Asker]

It's to help him lose his virginity. He's been sad about it since he was 17. I knew he liked me before but kept him as a friend; I just didn't like him as a romantic friend, just platonic friend.
I plan on telling my boyfriend the truth about my the hall pass and my intention. The issue is there's a chance he'll proceed with a break-up. But oh well, at least I tried and that's better than being a coward and cheating.

[MysteriousDarkness]

I read the reason for wanting to have sex with the old high school friend in a reply to someone else. The reason does not matter because you made up your mind already about having sex outside of your relationship. You obviously don't care about your relationship or you wouldn't want to have sex outside of it let alone not care if your boyfriend breaks up with you.

[MysteriousDarkness]

It just dawned on me that a break in a relationship where yhe two are not considered exclusive is a break up meaning the end of the relationship.

[msc545]

@asker if your boyfriend has any brains he will break up with you right after you tell him.

[ConfessionTime]

I'd dump you instantly. You telling him that he can babe a free pass, shows he isn't the guy for him. What you didn't say was that you want the break not for him, not for the relationship, but for you and you alone. You want to go wild during that time and likely already know who you going to ride an hour after the break starts.

Has takimg a break ever been for anything else?

[Asker]

It's actually a favor I was thinking of doing to an old HS my age. He's a 26 year-old virgin and depressed about it. He's been wanting to do it since he was 17. I feel like I can help someone in need.

[e232bm]

Personally I think it is a bit selfish… wanting to take a break from someone for what reason? But also if you are fine with them having a hall pass maybe they are not the one for you. Everyone and every relationship is different but this is not something I would be okay with.

[bolverk]

I'd be wondering what the hells going on, why does she want a break, and why would she offer a 'hall pass'. I'd start looking back to see if there are any 'Red Flags' and she's been having an emotional/physical affair.

If you offer a hall pass you are saying you've cheated/going to cheat, or you do not trust your boyfriend not to cheat, either of those can end a relationship.

[Asker]

No I never cheated ever. It's just that I have an old HS friend (he lives in another city) that's been a virgin forever and he's depressed about it. He can't get a girlfriend nor have experience. He sees other people in relationship, others having even a FBW, others men his age already having experience without having to rely on paying hookers, all having experience but him. He's 26 (my age), still a virgin and he's sad about it. As a friend (even though I was never attracted to him and still not), I would be willing to take his v-card.

[SnowedIn]

I think this is dangerous... what do you mean by a hall pass? Does he get to go have sex with others? I'm dead serious: if, after your "break" he's had relations with several women, how are you going to feel?

[Asker]

It means we don't have to be exclusive at that moment and he can do a bit of exploration if he wants to, as long as he uses protection.

[SnowedIn]

I think you will regret this immensely.

This isn't a judgement thing. This is that if he goes out, has sex, comes back you will start to wonder about it. And doubt. Let's say you ask him how it was and he says "amazing" -- how do you feel.

I think if you do this break you set yourself up to not have the relationship survive when you come back from it.

[Asker]

Then I wouldn't ask him how it was. I'll just ask if he used protection.

[SnowedIn]

Got it. I understand: you've clearly made up your mind.

I hope this works out for you but I think you'll both end up regretting this decision.

[Miristheiss]

Why the hell would you want this to work out for her?
I hope her boyfriend dumps her, despises her and never speaks with her again. Why would you hope she can go off and F some loser and betray her guy and even WANT to do this at all and even THINK about this at all?
I hope it doesn't work out at all.

[SnowedIn]

I didn't say I agree with what she's doing.

I think it's a dumb idea and I think it's going to fail.

BUT... she made up her mind before she asked the question. You can see that in every one of her responses. She's going to do it regardless.

So, with that in mind, I said that I hope it works out -- because she's going to try it anyway. Just because it's a dumb idea doesn't mean I have to wish her ill.