Why is it now considered wrong for a man to want an equal relationship?

[chocolatetwopointo]

[Summeroflove]

It’s not wrong all relationships should be equal, that are healthy. One sided relationships go absolutely nowhere but misery and any self respecting man who can find better will.

If someone is wanting something let’s say, more traditional that’s okay too. But see most people don’t know what traditional relationships really are because they (in a healthy one) are also…. Equal. Equal as in both people work equally as hard in separate roles to love one another, support each other, as well as take care of each other. Unfortunately people who are narcissistic want only what benefits them out of it.

Most people who want something more traditional don’t even know how hard both people used to work. Women didn’t just sit around the house all day occasionally baking cookies, as well as having automated machines to do everything. That’s not what being a “trad wife” was.

If anyone wants a healthy relationship it should be equal in some way or the other. It’s important to find someone whose compatible with you. But it should be equal or dump him/her like a bad habit.

[Anonymous]

The problem is a lot of “modern” women don’t understand what true equality really means: equal privileges AND equal responsibilities.

I notice women have a much harder time taking accountability for being wrong. And when they do own up and apologize it’s usually because there is still something in it for them (they don’t want the man leaving her).

Men on the other hand generally have a better understanding of the concept of general principle. That is we are supposed to treat people decent regardless if they are of any benefit to us. We we also own up to being in the wrong regardless of the other person will forgive us or not. That’s accountability.

If you don’t believe me then look how women vs men treat their partners when they break up with them. Women will often rub salt in the wound when they break up with a man. They will complain about how the man failed them, how he lacks something, how he has no future, etc. They say this to give themselves more reassurance about their decision.

But men on the other hand typically say “it’s over” and don’t waste their time on some unnecessary diatribe. They also usually tolerate a very upset heartbroken woman. However women can constrain an upset man because he might be “threatening”.

Now for most of history that double standard example above (that favors women) was overlooked. It was chalked as justified because “women are delicate emotional creatures”. But modern women don’t want to give up those unchecked privileges. Often that double standard doesn’t even register for them.

But men ARE noticing this crap in a so called “gender equal” society.

[SugarSugarplum]

First, who exactly considers this wrong?

Second, there is no way any relationship is exactly equal.

If I do all the housework, and my husband does all the earning, is he shirking his domestic duties, or am I freeloading off him?

[chocolatetwopointo]

have u seen those women who refuse to go out with a guy bc he wants to have 50/50 in the relationship? well thats the ones im talking ab, well if u do all the housework and he's earning a lot of money id say y'all r equal, but its different if both work and only one does the housework

[Apple1996]

Not wrong but some of us don't want relationships like that. I have no reason to want to be equal with my husband. We complete each other not compete with each other

[chocolatetwopointo]

so u want them or you to have more power?

[Apple1996]

Literally dont care about power. My husband can hold that responsibility if he wants it lol

[AI Opinion]

Aiming to sprinkle a little clarity on this spicy topic, let me flirt with the idea here: It's not at all wrong for a man to want an equal relationship! In fact, it's the dream, right? Equality in a relationship is like the secret sauce that makes everything taste better. It's about sharing, caring, and wearing those matching jumpers without shame! Equality means you both contribute, not only financially but emotionally, mentally, and with those little acts of kindness that keep the love flame burning. If anyone tells you it's wrong, they might just be stuck in a romantic rut or dancing to an older tune. Love in the modern age is all about that give and take, that mutual respect and support. So, keep aiming for those equal vibes, and you'll find someone who's thrilled to share the spotlight with you onstage and off. Love is a dance best performed with a partner who's in sync with your moves. 😉

[razelove]

I don't think that has been considered wrong for at least 20 years for most women. The gold diggers, sluts, hoes, and sugar babies are a minority, they just happen to be loud as all hell, and try to convert other women to be just like them.

Especially when they hit 35 and are all alone with cats, or multiple kids and don't know who the dad is or where he's at. I've ran into them dating, but most women who are looking for a relationship are looking for a partnership.

[Anonymous]

Well, first off, all relationships should be equal. Equal in the sense that both parties give equally to the relationship and there is mutual respect, but beyond that, men and women are not equal in their strengths and weaknesses. This is why men and women, when everything is healthy and clicking, make ideal partners.

The problem is that over the past few generations, there has been a movement to make women equal in every way to a man. To wipe out all biases as genders. It's not a horrible idea in its conception. Buy it has been disastrous in it's real life application. The result has yielded confusion for both the genders as millenia long roles for genders have been turned on their head.

Now here's the answer to your question. Due to these fundamental changes we have a division among women. Half want traditional roles, the other half want complete independence. And these women, (because both still f*** and get pregnant either way) are giving birth to the most confused crop of women in history. They treat Equality as a buffet to pick from what they want and leave what they don't. They see equality as a man is to pay all her bills yet has to give nothing to the relationship. To do differently would be for a man to overstep his bounds.

[Smashingdoozy]

It's definitely not wrong... I don't think anyone thinks its wrong...

Could you elaborate?

[chocolatetwopointo]

I've seen a lot of women complaining and saying they would leave their man if he didn't pay for their dates, her shopping or wtv

[Sunnysunny123]

Maybe you should start looking at other women who share your toughts, i have never seen someone saying those things even tho i am one of those who wants the first date to be payed by the man.

[captain_voidwalker]

I think a lot of people equate equal with identical. For instance you hear a lot of ladies complain about tjier man not doing house work but if he's mowing the grass and fixing the car than he's committing equally but differently.

[chocolatetwopointo]

is he tho? how often do u mow ur lawn and have to fix ur car? maybe once a month, and how often do u have to cook, clean, do laundry, every single day. so no thats not equally committing

[captain_voidwalker]

I have to mow grass every 3 to 7 days depending on weather. And I fix a lot of stuff other than cars. But I mean hey I'm single so I also do all my own cooking and cleaning. So to paraphrase you ladies " I'm a strong independent man who don't need no woman"

[chocolatetwopointo]

okay u do u but doing something a few times a week doesn't equal doing something 3-4 times a day

[captain_voidwalker]

Well, every relationship is different. So circumstances change. For instance, if you do all the housework but he brings home all the money. Or vice versa might make more sense that one person is doing the house work. My point is equal dosen't mean both contributing the same thing. And I'm not discounting that there are dead beats out there but rather than you should analyze the situation and come to a mutual understanding on who contributes what.

[chocolatetwopointo]

sure u do u

[Sunnysunny123]

But what is is that you do 3-4 times a day that no man will do? I don't undrestand. We will never be completely equal in nothing no matter what. Just find someone who knows how to take care of themselves

[chocolatetwopointo]

@Sunnysunny123 many men refuse to do dishes, cook, clean and do laundry bc its the ”womans job” according to them

[Sunnysunny123]

Yeah i know but that's why we dump those and find ones that don't mind helping around. I love cleaning and doing dishes because i don't think my boyfriend cleans as good as me BUT he cooks better than me so he cooks most of the time and i wash dishes and clean but sometimes we switch so balance is the key 😊😊

[Caroline91]

I see you nit pick things to death and miss the point on a regular basis.

[CB-Raido-Time]

You might want to ask yourself how often to women have to lift 50 to 100lb objects climb ladders turn wrenches carry heavy pipes heave planks heavy shingles and heavy plywood shovel dirt shovel asphalt frame sheetrock float and paint walls floors and ceilings to name a few things all day long. And then come home and cut the lawn and other things.

[Sunnysunny123]

@CB-Radio-Time yes but also it is okay that we are not equal and one is better than the other in particular duties, when we are in a relationship we do stuff for the other person because we love them and don't feel a burden, i think she is just scared that maybe she will end with a man who just will lay down and watch tv all the time and never do nothing, i have been with that type and it is not nice to pick after someone all the time so my point is we don't have to be equal a home needs two productive persons to be a real home and that's all 😊

[jshm2]

Because, as a man, you hold the majority of the relationship already.

It's like a boss demanding "more" from his employees, while giving nothing more in exchange.

[DrPepper12]

It's not? Any partner who loves and respects you would seek the same thing. It's not a power play, it's a partnership

[chocolatetwopointo]

according to some it is

[DrPepper12]

IDGAF about some and their misguided choices.

[WhitneySnow]

It’s not but that depends on what you mean by equal

[chocolatetwopointo]

50/50

[WhitneySnow]

That’s not wrong but I need more details

[chocolatetwopointo]

50/50 chores, treatment what more do u need

[WhitneySnow]

When has anyone ever told you that was wrong?

[chocolatetwopointo]

have you ever seen those tiktoks of women complaining about ”feminine men” but its js men that want 50/50? well im talking ab them

[WhitneySnow]

Those are just conservative women. Plenty of women don’t feel that way. And you can split a relationship 50/50 without being feminine.

[CB-Raido-Time]

If it were actually 50/50 he would be able to trade of jobs to do her cushy jobs females do and or be able to stay at home while she went out and earned the living. How many women do you know that could do the 50/50 mentioned?

[WhitneySnow]

@CB-Raido-Time housework is not cushy. And a lot of women work full time and still do household stuff, which is not 50/50.

[CB-Raido-Time]

Yeah a lot of women work full time answering phones doing copies pushing carts sitting all day and I haven't know many to do the hard working psychical jobs I mentioned. How many women do you think would trade with the man to do those psychical jobs he does so that it would truly be 50/50?

[WhitneySnow]

@CB-Raido-Time some would. And most women aren’t physically built for those jobs. But those women who can do them and want to do them should be encouraged.

[CB-Raido-Time]

Congratulations you just admitted that women and men are not equal and they were not intended to be either. And relationships and marriage should not be seen as a power trip or a game of competition. A mindset like that is doomed from the start women and men were suppose to complement either other not compete with each other.

[WhitneySnow]

@CB-Raido-Time that was not my point at all. Women who want to be construction workers should be allowed to. But I agree with you that you should not be competing with your partner. Keeping it 50/50 is important.

[Friendlybro79]

Who's the official body of consideration you're speaking of saying that this is now considered wrong?

[chocolatetwopointo]

people

[Friendlybro79]

So your question is why do all people consider this wrong or do you mean just some?

If it's all you're wrong and if it's some it's the same answer to all quest that you ha e regarding why do some people not see things the same... We're all different and all have different opinions. People are raised differently and have different points of views on how people should live aka people can't mind their own business when it doesn't affect them.

[chocolatetwopointo]

well i never said all so I don't know what ur getting that from lol

[Friendlybro79]

Same answer to all questions anyone has regarding*

[Friendlybro79]

That is true. You should ask a more specific question then because it's not clear that you aren't implying that. Your question is asked in a manner where it is suggested that it is now considered wrong. You didn't clarify wrong by some and without that it implies it's just considered wrong period.

[Friendlybro79]

Oops hit submit before I was done but that's the reason I gave you two answers because it's not clear on your question if you're saying all people, majority , or some consider this wrong. It's also why I asked you the first question and you answered vaguely by saying people consider this wrong, to which I think you get where I'm going... If you intend to see how people respond to a vague question bravo.

[Fireguy17]

I have no clue.
It is impossible to keep up with all of the changes now.
One day it's this, the next day nope you can't do that, now you have to do this.

[paledreams]

I guess it's because some people would more crude say "well someone have to be on top during sex unless they're having side by side lying down sex lol 😆😆😆😂 side entry

[ProbablyClueless]

Western women didn't and don't want equality; they want/ed the perks of being a woman with the freedom that comes with being a man.

[Nirmroth]

What western women are you Dating lol first time I come across this

[ProbablyClueless]

@Nirmroth The kind you find in NE USA. It doesn't surprise me that you haven't heard about this. It's not like women are outright saying it to each other the way I just laid it out. But you can see it in their actions and the way they approach dating and men.

[Nirmroth]

Im from Europe. What freedom of beeing a man do you mean, sry I forgott to ask that earlier?

If you mean that they still like to be courted while beeing able to choose their partner and earn money on their own thats pretty normal isn't it? Its just the normal dynamic that the guy makes the first step and plans.

If its about Money I usually always go for walks or coffee for first few dates were we always split. Only had two dinner dates as first ones but in both they wanted to split.

In one case I was even invited to the drinks.

Women who are more conversative and want to be paid for basically already tell you that over text or in their profile so if you dont like that just dont match.

[ProbablyClueless]

@Nirmroth To be fair, American dating is a special brand of hell that I don't think anywhere else in the world quite compares to.

Those things are a normal desire and dynamic in the context of the course of human history, but modern society is also considerably different from that normal human experience. Women have been historically treated the way they were for many many very practical reasons. Modern society has eliminated those practical reasons. Women have begun to take the roles of men. The feminist dream was to make money and have casual sex like women seemed to think men were doing.

So, wanting and even expecting to be courted is fine, but you have to remember that women got those things because they weren't the ones making money. So now, women are making money (which, by necessity takes opportunity away from men) and behaving like men, but they still want the more favorable treatment they got as women.

Benefits without the costs a form of privilege.

[Nirmroth]

Bro maybe read what you typed there again. I think its only normal that you would want equal opportunities and possibilities in life.

The advance in technology made the old women/men dynamic obsolete, like you mentioned. A women no longer needs a man to survive and grow old happily and I think thats good as they are now on the same step as men who dont need a women either to survive.

Reverting that would be a caveman move. Courting is just normal mating behaviour if you watch it from a different perspective. Its only natural and I see nothing wrong with that. As long as men are willing to treat women favourably it won't change. Put the blame on us for beeing so horny not on feminists.

[ProbablyClueless]

@Nirmroth I don't need to read what I wrote. I'm the one that wrote it. I know what it says. I didn't say it wasn't normal. I said that the situation has changed such that the old normal is now a privilege, and I stand by that.

[Anonymous]

no one has ever said it was wrong but equal relationships never work out because men and women aren't equal

[Summeroflove]

Okay…. Traditional relationships ARE equal because both persons worked equally as hard in their own roles.

Men took care of the women and the women took care of the men. If you want a woman whose sitting around all day while you work 70 hours a week while hee cheeks get clapped. By all means

[Summeroflove]

Men aren’t more important then women and women aren’t more important then men. If you want to be in a miserable one sided relationship. That’s on you bud

[Opinion Owner]

@Summeroflove if she's cheating that's not a relationship. I don't know why you brought getting her cheeks clapped

what you're thinking of is complimentary, not equal

[chocolatetwopointo]

they do work tho?

[Opinion Owner]

not really tho when the goal is to maintain equality in which men and women aren't equal not just due to biological differences but psychological differences that arise from biological differences

complimentary relationships is what works. not equal relationships

[Anonymous]

You need to elaborate on that. What do you mean?

[chocolatetwopointo]

50/50 chores, both get treated with ”princess treatment”

[Opinion Owner]

OK, but who is saying it is now considered wrong for a man to want an equal relationship?

[ManInChains]

Who said men didn't want an equal relationship?

[chocolatetwopointo]

nobody? what r u on ab bro,

[easymfbrezzy96]

What does an equal relationship mean

[chocolatetwopointo]

50/50 chores and stuff

[easymfbrezzy96]

What chores

[chocolatetwopointo]

omfg basic chores what do u think😭

[easymfbrezzy96]

Well you know why the fuvk would you make a man do dishes I mean come on? Cause that's the kind of chores you mwna right smart ass

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Source?
lol

[chocolatetwopointo]

the fucking world?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Define equal relationship then, because I don't see the obvious you see here?

[chocolatetwopointo]

50/50 chores, treatment

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Okay, can you elaborate on why it's considered wrong, for a man, to want the equality you named?

[chocolatetwopointo]

bro im asking that question, I've seen countless women complaining about men wanting ”princess treatment” and refuse to pay for anything themselves

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Ah, now we're getting somewhere, with this explanation lol
Although I've never seen or read about this behaviour from men, so I guess I can't go further

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok byebye

[jojouzumaki]

It isn’t wrong at all.

[chocolatetwopointo]

according to some it is

[Anonymous]

Who asserts this to be true?

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

By who?

[chocolatetwopointo]

some people say it shouldn't work like that

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

Well because that minority of people believe in "traditional values" which believed that women should be subservient to men. But this belief is rapidly disappearing on a global scale. While still common in pocketed areas, it seems inevitable to fade.

[chocolatetwopointo]

yeah and there's still traditions like that, like some women won't date a guy js bc he won't pay for the date or smth like that

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

As is their right. They're limiting the number of potential partners they can have, but they're also limiting it to the ones they want and would want them. So good call.

[Summeroflove]

Well a lot of narcissists (male or female) like I said only want what benefits them out of a traditional relationship. Without offering anything in return then cry nobody whose worth their salt wants them.

So a woman may want a man paying for dates, getting her gifts, doing all the things a man is supposed to do…. But she has nothing to offer in return, there are those who “put out” sexually. But other then that have nothing of value. So they attract men who only are looking for sex and are desperate for it. Why? Because that’s all they offer

[Summeroflove]

Same for narcissistic men. They want a woman to be “submissive” giving him sex anytime, anywhere, doing anything she’s told. Cooking for him. Cleaning. Basically doing what he feels a woman should do.

But then he….. Doesn't want to offer anything of value either…. So a lot of times these men wonder why these type of women cheat.

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

Yeah, exactly. It's old-fashioned, traditional thinking. But it's slowly going away.

[normalice]

It isn't

[chocolatetwopointo]

according to some it is

[normalice]

"Some" don't decide for "all"

[chocolatetwopointo]

pls show me where i said all

[normalice]

Pls show me where your question specified "some"

[chocolatetwopointo]

”according to SOME it is” there u go❤️ if i didn't say all dont assume all and stop getting so offended over literally nothing

[normalice]

You are not quoting anything from your question with that quote.

But to answer your modified question you can find people with a y crazy belief you want. If you "some" that's tombe expected.

And no worries. Nothing you have said has been offensive.

[chocolatetwopointo]

yet ur so offended smh

[normalice]

I'm not offended. Sorry if you had some of your self worth riding on that or whatever but that's your choice.

[chocolatetwopointo]

bet u aren't, u act like every man ever lmao

[normalice]

Eh, it's the internet. "Act" is subject to interpretation, and "every man ever," from your perspective has had all had exactly one thing in common: the interpreter (you 🙃).

[chocolatetwopointo]

oh god here he goes again, I've met so many men like u its insane💀

[normalice]

Have you considered you do sometimes ething to attract thsm?

[chocolatetwopointo]

yes i love arguing with offended males

[normalice]

Ah, that explains why you need to believe you are offending people.

[chocolatetwopointo]

if u werent offended i bet u would even b here

[normalice]

Gag is a hobby. I enjoy trolling the trolls while I'm pooping.

[chocolatetwopointo]

good to know, personally i love offending males who think they know everything

[normalice]

That does sound fun but sadly you have shown you can only pull it off in your imagination 😅

[chocolatetwopointo]

if u say so, and why have u been pooping for this long?

[normalice]

It's a process at my age. Plus it's kind of what I dominstead od a smoke nreak since I quit smoking

[chocolatetwopointo]

maybe u should get that checked up

[normalice]

I have. Its common for men at my age i guess. Doctor gave me pills that did nothing so I have accepted it as the way things are now. You'll probably go through it too in a few years.

[chocolatetwopointo]

yeah no ill b dead by 40

[Agape93]

It isn't.

[chocolatetwopointo]

according to some it is.

[Agape93]

Then they're retarded.

[chocolatetwopointo]

tell them that, not me bro i alr know that.

[Agape93]

I happily will, because that level of stupid shouldn't breed

[jahaims]

It's not

[chocolatetwopointo]

according to some it is

[Anonymous]

Feminism...

[chocolatetwopointo]

do u not like the idea of feminism?

[Opinion Owner]

No, I blame feminism for this fucked up dynamic between the sexes.

[chocolatetwopointo]

how is it fucked up?

[Opinion Owner]

It's driven women to both hate men, and fear them while at the same time single handedly assisting in the creation of MGTOW.

[chocolatetwopointo]

do yk what feminism means? feminism means that women and men should be equal, its concerning how many people r this stupid lmao

[Opinion Owner]

Lmao. Yes it means that. In the past 50 years it has not kept to that definition. Especially when a feminist organization "national organization for women" or NOW as it's called actively prevents men from being included into he definition of rape. The protest and have closed male domestic violence shelters, and when they stand against father's for equal shared parenting.

Your idiotic childish and quite honestly obteus argument "but the definition"... Lady familiarize your self with this "mind what a person does, not just what they say, their actions will betray their true intentions" their actions put lie to their so called definition.

[Opinion Owner]

They protest to have male domestic violence shelters closed** oh and they actively prevent research done on male victims of domestic violence, they hide the data, they destroy the data, and they threaten lawa makers, preventing funding to support male victims. Yeah feminists are all good huh. Bullshit. They are as close to nazi's as the actual nazi's are.

[Opinion Owner]

Call it bs all you want, this conversation is over. To willfully turn aside from the truth when it is presented is treason unto ones self, and just stupid.

[Opinion Owner]

Real simple. A book written by a feminist named Christina Off Sommers. Unfortunately you will have to buy it if you want to read it, Its called "the war against boys" It won't count to an idiotic worthiles feminist like you because its not free. But she is indeed a learned scholar, and someone whose voice carries way more weight than a child like yours does.

www.shelfreflection.com/blog/the-war-against-boys

www.simonandschuster.com/.../9781501125423

www.aei.org/.../

time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism/

5 Legal Rights Women Have That Men Don’t ↗

[Opinion Owner]

oh and the last one is a mytake from here.

[chocolatetwopointo]

okay so now ONE ”feminist” that hates men equals all, yeah totally makes sense

[Opinion Owner]

Your comments only prove my point.. Based on your response you literally read nothing about her either, she doesn't hate men. She's someone I respect. In any case child, grow up..

[chocolatetwopointo]

okay so whats wrong with me now? explain pls

[Walksbehindtherows]

I am not sure

[Anonymous]

Is it though?