- 27 d
Lower the temperature of gender lines.
Sexist men think all women are ultra feminists that force them into submission while sexist women think the growing pressures from society & radical controversial hot takes make them grow further towards isolation / away from men…
On both sides, dating sites make money either way you get a successful match or not and the overwhelming feeds from online presence from social media jamming marriage & happy dates & perfect couples living in a luxury house…. That really makes men and women feel more isolated as ever.
We need to lower the temperature with education, reassurance, love, appreciation, and respect from women to men & men to women. Period. We need to come together, not push apart. And if your loved one or family member is stuck in a loop of social media anxiety talk them to put down the phone & live their true life without comparing to others. Make them feel delighted to be in the moment, not stress about the future…. It is never too late to change the path you are one and self improve. You can make a difference and must. Thank you.
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Now that I am MHO, I would like to use my highest platform in this thread to say to all men & women: You are worthy of love and deserve appreciation for all that you do. Thank you, continue being the best person you can be. You’ll make your future partner extremely happy just as they’ll do for you, it will be like magic.
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I don't have a solution, but I do have a good understanding as to how this problem is going to traject. The reality is that we have too many women who are undesirable. Normal men don't want women covered in ink and have an obscene number piercings and hair color. Or women who have children from prior relationships. What we as a society need to prepare ourselves for is that there will be a growing demographic of women that will be single and undesirable. For those women, trying to reform them is a waste of time. Instead we as a society should use those women as examples to teenagers and young women as how not to be. When women become more describable, men will want to form relationships with them.
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This right here. This man gets it completely and says it like it is. Thank you for being the voice of truth, my friend.
I'd like to add to your answer further by saying that another problem we have is that the women you just mentioned also tend to have outlandish and straight up unrealistic and one-sided relationships, when they don't deserve them.
They may be unkept, obese and have half their bodies covered in tattoos and piercings, and may also have kids of their own from prior baby daddies who left them, but they'll go out of their way and say that a man needs to be at least 6ft tall, have a bank balance deep in the six digits, have a nice big mansion and he must shower her with gifts.
Of course, sensible men like you and me will obviously laugh at this and move on, but impressionable young women who have no prior experience with guys may still fall for this, became remember, women like that also tend to preach to other women how their unrealistic standards are what everyone deserves because "gurl yous a qween! Slayy!! 💅✨" - 27 d
Men with this attitude is why women go off men and find men undesirable.
Thankfully there are younger generations of men who dont see women as 2nd mothers to slave over them and provide sex like some service (andwho by the way are raised by these women - because of lousy men who shirk being a dad. They may leave the woman single but they also leade their kids). I'm seeing it in the under 25's I talk to. A reasonable mental attitude that men and women are individuals and equals whilst still having realistic views of how the genders compliment each other masculine/feminine without degrading or treating the woman inferior for still being the one to look after the children at home which is still more the way it is.
I seriously doubt that people prefer being single to being in a relationship today. I think it only seems like that because dating is very exhausting and often leads to disappointments. First of all, it's hard to meet people; online dating sucks, yet it's the easiest way to meet anyone if you don't have any friends who can accompany you to events or introduce you to someone. Then when you eventually go on a date with someone, you might realize you two don't click, they aren't what they seemed like, and then you have to start all over. If you do get along and start dating, then something might still go wrong along the way.
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Everything you just said was true, but you countered yourself there by saying people think dating is exhausting and often leads to disappointments. That's exactly why most people nowadays, especially men, prefer to me single.
And as someone who's also gen z, I will say that yes, social media is a big part to blame here and how it has ruined everyone's perceptions of what a "perfect" partner should be and how looks >>> literally everything.
I've seen perfectly attractive women who deserve to be cherished by a partner who truly loves them, have their whole personalities and mental and physical health completely destroyed by some abusive asshole who treats them like crap and is a walking red flag. All their friends and family members would disapprove of him, yet, they'll continue pining for his love, believing in the delusion that they can "fix him".
And on the flipside, there are perfectly attractive, kind men with great personalities and hearts of gold who choose to stay single and never romantically attract with any woman ever again because of that one time when they served the wrong girl their heart on a platter and gave her the world, only for her to crush them in return and leave them, which has now led them to adopt a life of celibacy and avoid anything romantic with anyone. Their friends and family members who want them to settle down and be happy will try and urge them to meet new people, but they'll reject them all, saying something like "they're not interested in dating" and that they want to "focus on themselves now"
Direct communication.
So many people waste relationships because they don't directly express their wants and needs.
Just be to the point, without taking advantage of the other.
No beating around the bush.
No setting expectations neither can meet.
No saying A doing B.
Be straightforward, be clear, be honest about it.61 Reply- 28 d
I second to her we don't need to waste people's time communication is the key
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Not a problem for me. I don't need half the planet. I only need one woman and I found her.
I think the social ineptitude of the younger generation is a direct result of living too much of your lives in the digital world and not enough IRL.
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In my circles I find the younger generation (not all) but many of the guys in their 20's are much more open to equality and empathetic to women and emotions than men in my generation that seem stuck on "broken traditions" being women's fault and turning off men due to taking their roles away. (Yet them also saying women are gold diggers who would, in a traditional role, be dependent on their wage and material providings).
a lot of men my age in dating circles are bitter from bad relationships. And unable to show emotion and communicate effectively.
Hence I struggle to find a relationship guy..
- 27 d
People have to wake up from the following which is either either stupidity, inflated ego, of following certain ideologies
- cutting off bad friends who are a bad influence
- not following social norms (ie: independent life is the most meaningful life)
- avoiding falling under the trap of politicians both right and left giving false promises where people assume this individualistic world we live in where it eliminates the idea of a family unit
- women and girls who are moderate at best have to stop thinking they are the shit
- women and girls have to stop listening to feminist extremists
- the pain you go through in life by others should shape you to be a good person, be clear with your intentions, don’t waste time on others who won’t give you that reassurance
- the toxicity of dating apps where females either use it for an ego boost or finding a 10/10 man that will pursue you— enough with the fairy tale Disney BS, if that’s the case I may as well pretend Pamela Anderson will run towards me in her 1996 form.
- listen to God’s principles on the importance of the role of the man and the the role of a woman, the importance of marriage, and sins behind dating and having sex for fun and games.00 Reply - 28 d
Countries have to make housing affordable - not an investment but a utility - so that young couple can start a family. They have to make having a family incentivized and adultery harshly punished.
Lack of values make a society degenerate and not desire supporting the other sex and in some places, enmity because young men see women as nagging feminists or OF p*rn stars and women see men as lazy deadbeats or cheaters. The solution could be implemented today and it would still take 2 generations to turn the ship around.
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I agree with you entirely
- 27 d
@Ladsin2 When there is no technology and no education, and life is short, you better procreate or there is nothing else for you.
I recommend reading Man's Search for Meaning - By Viktor Frankl and Sex and Culture by J. D. Unwin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_Culture
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The thing is a lot of people need to find out the hard way on this. Lots of “modern” young women (and some men) want to reject relationships, marriage and child bearing to purse “themselves.” Then later in life they regret their decisions.
I had a good conversion with a middle aged career woman two weeks ago about this. She said she had a bad relationship with a man, once had an abortion, then started dating women and fully embraced the leftist ideology.
Now later in life she completely regrets her past decisions especially the abortion. It’s women like her who need to speak up more. Because these “modern” young women definitely don’t want to listen to men. In fact they usually embrace the “defiance of patriarchy” by doing the opposite of what men suggest. But they later come to regret it.
10 Reply Magically convincing the selfish population to stop being selfish and the plow horse population to stop enabling them.
Honestly, this sounds extremely basic, but it all comes down to hormones. Which is a direct result of poor lifestyle which is absolutely not basic. If we can solve our physical health crisis, we'll solve a lot of the mental health crisis. Proper diet, exercise, and avoiding addictive substances would fix 90% of our society's relationship problems.20 Reply1.6K opinions shared on Relationships topic. People thought it was a good idea to tinker with eons of tradition and make individual freedom and making as much money as possible was more important than building a family. They also believed that getting rid of shaming would improve society but it hasn't at all. So the solution is easy: un-tinker.
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If you "un-tinker" you go back to the species pursuing what it always does, propagation. Alpha males spreading their seed as far and as often as possible. And all males striving to be alpha.
- 28 d
If girls would stop hooking up with guys, guys would want relationships more. But a lot of women feel like hooking up is either celebrating their sexual freedom (maybe) or it’s the best way to catch a guy (it’s not).
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@WhitneySnow Is it possible that girls like hooking up, which I'm guessing is a synonym for sex, as much as guys. They certainly are anatomically designed for it.
- 28 d
@Makeushiver some do. I’m just saying, if they stopped doing it guys would want relationships more.
- 28 d
That's probably true but no more than say the total amount of money paid to sex workwrs. I'm not trivializing your statement but I live in CA where over 50% of marriages end in divorce so something needs to be done to make long term relationships more viable. I don't think it van be leg is isolated or normalized into being. Sex has taken over the atmosphere in movies,, ads, TV. Its become a totem in a society looking for something that has meaning. I'm not going to put it all on him but you just saw an election where the winning candidate has openly bragged about " grabbing pussy" and who says his daughter is hot. That didn't seem to cost him a single vote. I think the me too movement was on to something. It may have gotten a little too much but sex has become monetized and that has been endorsed by our president.
- 28 d
@Makeushiver maybe you’re right. But if girls would stop putting out before they get in a serious relationship, guys would take relationships more seriously.
- 28 d
Guys want relationships. They also went sex. Psychology Today did a study of strength of relationships in various standards of living. Women in wealthy countries had two different answers for ideal man and ideal husband. b the ideal man it was actually ideal sexual partner, on wealthier countries was closer to the Harley riding bad boy who they roundly dislike d as an ideal husband. The ideal husband in both wealthy and less wealthy countries was more of a 9-5 accountant. In less wealthy countries both the ideal lover and ideal husband was the good guy. Only the wealthy countries showed a difference and it was a clear division. so ladies, honestly do you GWT hot for the Harley or the spreadsheet. Not what you think is right, what turns you on and if its the bad boy where is the incentive to be anything but?
- 28 d
@WhitneySnow I agree with you totally. Even tho I started putting out. And complain about non relationship guys.
But you are right. Where is the incentive for relationships? But it is sad if men only ever got into relationships for access to sex. But maybe that is hormones and evolution for you.
Maybe it's just men are slower to get emotions and love but sex comes first. And now it's too easy they don't stick around long enough for emotion to form.
Of course you got emotional based guys who are the opposite. And chase women who seem to treat them indifferent? It's crazy.
But again I agree with you but it's hard. I don't put out to guys over 30 cos I want them to be relationship guys! - 27 d
@Passerby2 yes but if girls stop hooking up guys will get desperate and get involved in a relationship just to have sex. And then they’ll kind of grow into it and grow to like her for real. It’s what happened in olden times. I’m not necessarily saying this is a good thing, but it would work.
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Well said
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But it does go both ways
- 26 d
that's not the solution. a man getting into a relationship just for sex with someone he doesn't love is just a fake relationship. Look at how historically white nations... white nations in Europe have a 1:1 ratio of women to men on dating apps looking for a partner. that's because of the cooler climate, men aren't running around fucking everything that moves, and women trust men more. Simply making men MORE desperate isn't going to lead to more love.
- 26 d
@Passerby2 that other stuff sounds racist, but I agree with your basic premise that a fake relationship is not a relationship at all. But if men could be taught that a loving sincere relationship is the only way to have sex, then men would chase that goal instead of trying to hook up with every woman they can. But the only way to do that is for women to stop hooking up with guys.
The counter argument like I said is that hooking up expresses a woman’s sexual freedom. I don’t personally believe in that, but I have plenty of very nice female friends who hook up at least occasionally, especially now that they’ve gotten to college and have more freedom to do that.
2.1K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Men stopping to spread lie about women, on YouTube / tiktok there's so many video where women are considered as slut and cheater who have tons of option and have multiple sexual partner while the reality is the total reverse. Yesterday they showed the percentage of average age and average sex partner in a life of a man and woman and men had 18 partner in their life while women only had 6, men also cheat 70 % of them cheat in relationship for only 30 % of women, first age of sex for woman 18 / 19 and for men 17 but weirdly on youtube all video make women out to be cheating money hungry slut for some reasons... If those video didn't exist and spread lie a lot more men would be more into relationship. Also the ONS culture and the saying that "girlfriend don't matter you can cheat, slap them or disrespect her it doesn't matter since you aren't gonna marry her anyway..."
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Not sure what "videos" you're talking about but I can tell you right now that whatever you just said you saw isn't true, and you're just seeing one side of the coin.
Maybe it's different where you live, but on average, there is a large majority of men all over the world who are single, either by choice or because they can't seem to find someone who likes them. I've seen and met men in their late thirties to early forties who are still virgins and have never had a single successful relationship with the women in their life. And you may not like hearing this, but most women will tell you that they have a lot more options than men do, and should they want, they can date any guy they like if they're attractive enough. Almost all my female friends have shown me the countless number of random dudes in their DMs sending them pointless romantic paragraphs and good morning messages, hoping they'll one day acknowledge their existence. THAT'S how bad it really is.
And the "men" you're referring to who encourage cheating on
their partners and call women sluts, hoes and all sorts of foul things are a very small percentage of elitist pseudo alpha men who think they're the "real deal" and what a peak man looks like. They refer to themselves as the redpill gurus and you'd be surprised to know that most sensible guys don't agree with their views or anything they have to say, because guess what? They also constantly put down other men as well, and any sensible person can see them for the lying, scamming con artists that they really are, and how they're simply projecting their own negative feelings to young impressionable men who don't know better. - 27 d
@BullShark We're not from the same countries so I'm pretty sure that's where the confusion come from because from my country and America what I say is true.
In my country there's ways more women than men.
In Pakistan there's more men no?
Men that are single at those age are usually either assholes with shitty personality so nobody can support them either too shy and thus never approach women either they have ways too high expectation for women (like expecting a childless women after 35 is stupid as majority have children so it's too much asking, same with men in their 30s who only want to date skinny 20s attractive women).
They have more option and so what? Doesn't mean they have sex with everyone of them or cheat just like the percentage I gave proof, men have 18 sexual partner in their life women only 6 ! And this is the average. Also in my mother job 80 % of the men cheat regularly on their wife...(by either going to prostitute either having sex with one of their coworker or random people they found in a bar).
In Pakistan maybe but not in my country, in my country majority of young men behave this ways. Hating on women and considering all of them as slut, men cheat on their girlfriend and ask their friend to cover for them and they do.
Again having lots of guys DM you don't mean anything yes women have more option and so what? Women unlike men doesn't jump on every person sending them attention.
Things is in my country majority of young men agree to those concept and even if they don't they get pressure from their friend to conform to it, a lot of guy just pressure their friend to cheat on their girlfriend or treat her badly if not they're considered as simp.
- 27 d
@BullShark Look up cheating test in youtube from American you'll see tons of video where it's always the woman cheating and the rude comment where they say "she was never your girlfriend it was just your turn"
Same on French TikTok where guy encourage others guy to be assholes if not they're going to get hurt while they're the only one hurting the girls and girls keep on crying all the time about it. There's even trends of guy faking being nice guy just to ghost and break up out of nowhere. - 27 d
@BullShark Look up video of this chain and look at the comment : https://www.youtube.com/@SilkyLiveYT
And there's hundred and hundred of them everywhere on YouTube and tiktok those influenced badly men and is one of the reasons why men don't want relationship anymore because they believe those fake / staged video.
- 27 d
I could write a giant message about every major gate that keeps people incompatible at different ages, but instead I'm going to write a short message about the source of the gates themselves. The modern entertainment industry and the US department of justice. Modern entertainment has shown both genders how to have unrealistic expectations while the US department of justice has caused irreparable damage in all forms of health to both genders while also evading any change of mending the total damage done, trying instead of benefit from it in a gain of power. If both of those things disappeared, there's a chance our children would at least be happy, but even the happiness of our children, let alone other people's children, isn't what people care about when they themselves are sitting there taking all society down with them.
00 Reply 791 opinions shared on Relationships topic. I think they need to stay off of these social media sites that are reprogramming people's brains.
This is totally against Mother nature and again what God designed us to do. The Bible says to be fruitful and multiply. Well, how can you do that when you can't even get close to a woman anymore?22 Reply- 27 d
You're absolutely right. Back in the early days when social media wasn't rotting everyone's brains and people had to physically go out and meet new people at bars, parks and other such public places or through references of their friends, people were not only happier, but also more successful in their relationships.
Social media, and by extension, platforms like Instagram and Snapchat, and even dating apps like Tinder and Bumble have completely ruined the dating market for everyone. If a guy can look at an attractive woman online simply scrolling, or a woman has a bunch of men constantly sending her good morning texts and long paragraphs on why they think they're the center of their world, simply for existing, why would anyone want to date anyone at all?
I don't think people have stopped desiring relationships. Its just that people no longer need each other financially which has lead to decline in marriage and also people don't want to learn how to get over obstacles in a relationship. They think grass is always greener on the other side,
30 Reply589 opinions shared on Relationships topic. I think it's a personal thing, relationships are more difficult right now but we have to overcome that. Of course it would be nice if our environment changed in a way that was more beneficial to relationships but even if that happens we'll be 60 or even older by the time there's meaningful change. So we just have to do the best with the cards we were dealt for those who want a relationship and for those who have given up and don't want one they just have to live with that too.
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There is someone out there for everybody :)
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People need the time and energy to pursue relationships instead of being so stressed & tired & working all the time. They also need a decent option of partner to pursue relationship with, since marriage is no longer necessary in many cases. How to make that happen, well who's to say? ...
00 Reply i don't really know but my personal experiences have just proven to me that just wanting a wife & kids ain't it. i'm pretty done with girls at the moment, the mind games and all the other crap like casual sex is too much for me so i give up.
if someday i come across a girl who's worth my attention i'll try but untill then i'm just gonna enjoy nature and get away from all the crap social media forces upon us.
00 ReplyBattle of the Gender to stop and overcome being hurt by both sides. So both genders can be open hearted and try believing in love again…
42 Reply457 opinions shared on Relationships topic. It sounds like it's due to feministic beliefs. True conservative ladies for the most part don't seem to fall for that crap. Although there are the exception to the rule.
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Start teaching people relationships are not about being pampered or getting laid. It's best friends with romantic benefits, which means it's a matter of taking the effort to get to know the person you are interested in, pushing passed the inconveniences & bumps, and emotionally maturing passed your insecurities.
00 Reply The solution would be to stop being self-centered assholes. Man or woman, that's the root cause of most of our issues, including this. People suck and seem to get worse as time goes on.
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People want to go up the class by marriage. In old days, people who look like the person who seducing rich men and rich women were popular like Madonna. These days rich people marry to rich people thanks to the internet. So people are frustrated. So they don’t want to get married?
00 Reply Society goes more on the left politically. i think that is a pretty good indicator why relationships does not work out.
10 ReplyI wish I knew. I see lots of people throwing blame around but not solutions.
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Excellent. point and indicative of today's world. We are. more interested in pointing out who is wrong than cooperating to findma. common solution.
- 28 d
Nothing. Seems like a lot of upsides to me!
Singles get to be selfish and really enjoy life
Consistently having less kids will help everybody once that demographic bubble works it's way out
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What are their goals and what are their ideas of aftercare look like like elderly care. Also, what is their thoughts on partnerships?
30 Reply Increased financial security. I don't mean people should work harder, I mean rich people should stop hogging so much.
00 Reply4.2K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Be less entitled. Stop thinking you deserve a certain kind of partner. Be someone that other people want to be with.
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This generation is ruined.
New generations have to come along with different values and priorities.
00 Reply 5.9K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Source? The number of people desiring children is declining. I don't know about relationships.
00 Reply353 opinions shared on Relationships topic. To try and hold on to or save something for long periods of time that's eventually is going to deteriorate and age quickly is as blatantly as stupid as it gets. once it's over , it's over and alone u are with nothing to even glance at.
00 Reply6.6K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Cease the gender war and resilience towards the bad persons and experiences instead of dwelling in a world of hurt.
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Hold on a second. That sounds too sane and we can't now having that on here.
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@Makeushiver in a clowns world? Oh wait. I am insane myself.
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There is no hope for this generation.
BUT we can raise kids to be better people!
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00 ReplyThe phrase "y'all need Jesus" comes to mind
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I don’t think that people don’t desire relationships anymore. It’s just that the process of finding someone and dating is exhausting. It’s simply not worth the risk and it’s a waste of time. I’d rather spend that time and energy on other things.
00 Reply it's hard to say. probably more men in a successful economic position and less crazy women thinking men deserve punishment
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less identity politics. that'll bring people closer.
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Thanks.
1.4K opinions shared on Relationships topic. I think most people still desire relationships. Some just can't get out of their own way.
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Put time limits on social media like 8 am to 4 pm or something like that.
Change the concepts or revamp dating apps.20 Reply- 27 d
Get the government out of interpersonal relationships.
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feminism, woke culture, social media
00 Reply 1.5K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Social Media has ruined dating and courtship...
00 ReplyMen stop pumping and dumping us like trash. They lie to get laid too
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Natural selection
00 Reply 693 opinions shared on Relationships topic. Get rid of social media
00 Reply666 opinions shared on Relationships topic. America isn't very social probably best to move
00 ReplyThat is good.
20 ReplyMake Relationships Great Again
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Nothing let them be
20 Reply 3K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Ban dating apps
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