So why is this setup still viewed as a downgrade for men?
Do you see househusbands as less masculine?
So why is this setup still viewed as a downgrade for men?
Men handle most of the domestic load regardless if they have a job outside of the house or not. All the fixing and physical manual labor to maintain a home/property is always the responsibility of the man. Women never know how to do any of that stuff or they lack the physical ability to do it efficiently. If men and women truly swapped positions just because a woman had a salaried position, then all men would have to do is sit around and play video games all day until they complained to their wife that they had to do a bunch of hard work when they get home from their job.
It would be entertaining to watch you go work a 10 hour day and then come home after comuting an hour through grid lock only for your husband to complain that the garbage bag is too heavy, can you take it out to the can, and when you're done with that can you mow the law it's getting kind of high, and my car is making some funny sounds can you fix it, and if you get a chance can you move the sofa so I can sweep under it, when you are done dinner will be on the table wife.
Honestly I don't think I could keep a straight face saying things like that to a woman. I'd be laughing too hard, it's way too much trolling, but some how most women are serious when they say shit like that to their husbands day in and day out. Then they get miffed when they have to wait days for shit to get done.
You might want to check the actual data before making bold claims like that. Men often take on tasks like yardwork and home repairs, that’s just a fraction of the total domestic labor. The bulk of daily, time-consuming tasks, laundry, cooking, cleaning, child care, still overwhelmingly falls on women, even when both partners work full time.
According to Gallup, women do 58% of the laundry, 51% of cooking, and 51% of cleaning, while men dominate in yardwork and car maintenance. So sure, mowing the lawn counts, but let’s not pretend that’s the same kind of mental and physical load as managing a household day in and day out.
Source: news.gallup.com/.../...e-main-household-tasks.aspx
Laundry machines, clothing driers, mechanical dish washers, etc. which are generally maintained by men do 9% of your "work" for you. You don't live in the 1600 lady...
*99%
Appliances make tasks faster, not the burden lighter. A dishwasher doesn’t load itself. A laundry machine doesn’t sort, fold, or put clothes away. A vacuum doesn’t decide when the floors are dirty. And last I checked, no smart fridge has taken over the meal planning, grocery shopping, or remembering your kid’s science project is due tomorrow.
And let’s not even get started on the mental load… keeping track of bills, appointments, clutter, meal rotations, seasonal clothing, school events, and everything else that makes a household run like an actual home and not just four walls with utilities.
You think maintaining the occasional appliance offsets the daily grind of running a home? That’s cute. Even with tech, women are still doing the majority of domestic labor, both physical and invisible.
The data is there to back it up.
You're irrational. You just claimed putting dishes in a dishwasher for 3 minutes isn't less of a load than hand washing dishes and putting clothing in a washing machine in like 30 seconds isn't any less demanding than washing clothes manually on a wash board in a bucket. Quiet frankly you are insaine.
@contentious
women work 8-10 hours a day, to come home to do 90% of the cleaning, washing dishes, laundry, childcare. This includes bathing the kids, feeding the kids, teaching the kids, making sure homework is done, making sure the house is tidy, making the next day's lunch boxes, grocery shop, take the kids to the doctor appointment this weekend, remember to talk to the teacher at school, find a tutor because your son is failing at school, help her husband pay the plumbing bill since he didn't know how to fix it.
All you had to do after work is come home , watch sports on tv, drink a beer and scream at your wife to see if dinner is ready yet. On weekends, your wife takes the kids to the doctor appointments while you go out fishing with your friends. Then after you come home from fishing, your wife continues to cook and clean while you watch tv.
@nastyb The funniest part about your entire rant, is that drains back up because you failed to clean them in the first place. All you had to do is unscrew the p-trap every once in a while and clean it. Guess what blocks them 99 out of 100 times? Long women's hair, pet hair, and slime molds because they were not cleaned.
this is what I have learned from my experience. Men and women are not designed to think the same way.
Men have evolutionized to be providers. Unless there is a necessary reason or medical reason why he should no longer work, no man (who cares for his woman) will ever be truly happy being a house husband.
The only time where a man will willingly choose to be a house-husband is when he is with a woman that he is looking to take advantage of. This is a woman he does not really care about.
If a man loves you and wants to care for you, he will want to work to provide for you or try to share the bills TO MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER.
American society seems to think that there are no differences between men and women. They think that men are women. Women are men. You are sooo mistaken.
I've never heard this term before. Did you just swap out "wife" for "husband"? The title is antiquated and sounds too much like "housemaid" or "servant"... or "slave." Very odd.
A homemaker can be male or female, doesn't matter, but if there are kids involved it's important to show balanced chores, management and respect. Anything else is secondary.
Yeah, I gotta admit that while intellectually I get it. It's valid and valuable work, especially if there are kids. And it shouldn't matter if it makes economic sense / she can earn more than he can. It goes against my societal conditioning. Somewhere in the back of my mind I'm penalizing the guy for making the intelligent choice and having the balls to shrug off what society thinks of a househusband.
And I think a lot of women are going to be politically correct and support the idea of a househusband. But I also think a lot of those women are lying to others and themselves. They see a househusband as a less masculine man and less desirable.
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Probably because men are labeled as being the protector and provider of an household and family in most cases , a man is supposed to be raised to lead his family and be the masculine dominant one that his wife and kids look up to , that they respect. So when a guy is a stay at home house husband , he is automatically labeled as being a less masculine dominant man, by accepting the fact that his wife or girlfriend is the breadwinner and supporting him and taking care of him. I am not saying this type of relationship cannot work , but it’s less likely it will, unless they both agree upon this 100 percent. If not that relationship probably won’t survive. A majority of females’ want to be with a man she can look up to, that she can feel safe and secure with , knowing she has a man that she can look up to and depend on I witnessed a few of these relationships and eventually they all ended , because the girl didn’t feel safe and secure in her relationship, she felt all the weight and stress was put on her , and she eventually ended up feeling like she didn’t have an equal partner , she felt like she was raising another child to be honest , so she ended up falling for a guy that she felt was more masculine and dominant then her partner was , unfortunately this type of shit happens in a lot in relationships because most people want what they don’t have. Me personally will only date a girl that wants to be my team partner , that wants to work with me and not against me . If a girl expects me to support her financially , when she barely lifts a finger at all? Out the door she goes. I don’t mind being the breadwinner in a relationship , but I do mind if she is sitting around and not keeping up her end of the bargain and just pissing away money like it grows on trees. I don’t mind if she wants to be a stay at home partner , as long as she isn’t just sitting around doing nothing and eating bon bons all day lol , But if I come home and the house is clean and dinner is ready , I wouldn’t bitch or complain about anything. I will even tackle things in the house that she couldn’t do or get to before I plop my ass down to show my love and appreciation to her.
No I think people who see people as less masculine or less feminine are people trying to fill a void in themselves a lot of times it’s projection. This relationship is certainly not for everyone don’t get me wrong not all men or women want this. But looking down on a couple whose genuinely happy is a major sign that someone’s unhappy in their own personal lives and relationships
Well, it’s up for the couple to decide this themselves, but it wouldn’t be for me. But I already do lots around the house, including cooking, cleaning, taking care of the outside, getting food, etc.
No, they are simply doing their fair share to help their partner with the household chores.
I have been househusband for more than 12 years. I have agoraphobia so I dont leave the house much , but when I do. I do it for the household. I am very masculine still. I live in america as well. Is being a house husband degrading? No i do not feel degraded. Actually I think its too boring to be a at-home-spouse. Beside doing all the household chores and maintenance, I also do car maintenance and handle are financial well being as a family. I even invest and follow stocks and investments. I'm not perfect but all I let her do is go to work. She comes home to a clean house 5 kids doing homework and a warm home cooked meals. This has been my norm for many years. I think men shouldn't be in this role , because there isn't a challenge to it and it get mundane really fast. I do miss working with my hands as a tree faller for the forestry department. Finding things to keep are mind sharp and active is the really hard part about being a househusband. which can make men seem less masculine and make them feel downgraded. Knowing how to stay active and exercise is a big important thing for househusband.
Every self respecting man would do these sorts of things living himself , and in my view no woman should be with a man that can’t or won’t do these basic tasks and more besides
So anyone pointing at it being somehow less “manly” or “masculine” to choose to do it as a househusband needs to up their meds.
Yes , couples can choose to be traditional or not and if the best decision for a time or permanently is for the male to be at home for whatever reason as long as the decision is reached by them and for them then that’s fair play. It’s not a “downgrade” , it’s not beneath any sex or gender to fill this role regardless of what anyone says , 1960 gender roles are dead and buried.
Whatever works for your family unit. The Idea that the man is the boss died long ago. Your family may be structured that way. If that is what works best for you then more power to you. The idea that a male has to be the bread winner and supporter started losing strength after WW2. Women had to flex their concept of who they were and what they were capable of doing. Soon wives were working alongside their husbands. So what do you do if you wife would be more productive if you kept the fort. It would be absolutely foolish in this economy to not support her and allow her to be as efficient as possible.
Yes, less masculine for sure.
I have a cousin who's like a brother to me. We grew up together and I love him to the core.
He was a lawyer but he quit the profession when he was around 40 and stayed home raising the kids while his wife worked. I couldn't help thinking that he was less of a man for doing that. That's just the way it is. Men are supposed to provide and protect for the family. That's their job. A woman's job is to bear and take the main responsibility in raising the children. And that by its nature also means making the house a home.
I think that's what creates a successful and strong family. And I think it's the natural roles that nature clearly designed men and women to do differently.
The reason it’s seen as a downgrade is because most women don’t respect men in that role. They say they’re fine with it until they actually have to live with it—and then suddenly he’s lazy, boring, or not ambitious enough. Society still associates masculinity with provision, and women, even subconsciously, still measure men by that standard. The double standard is real—and pretending it’s not is just dishonest.” – Eva ❤️
It's not viewed as a downgrade, it's not less masculine, but it's model that even most women don't even want.. While there's nothing wrong with couples who agree to that, that's just not the nature of things.. Men are naturally the pursuers, go getters and risk takers, which is the opposite of "homemakers".. It doesn't make a man less masculine, but it's definitely not exactly a masculine endeavor.
I was a house husband for over a year while I finished grad school. I took care of the kids and most of the domestic chores. It was challenging and between school and taking care of the household i had no time for video games. Still I felt like needed to go back to being the breadwinner again.
Why would you think that?
Single men have to take care of their own house — cooking, cleaning, grocery runs, handling appointments, keeping the place running day to day, the only difference is taking care of the kids (unless they are like me and have taken care of their nieces & nephews for extended periods) and you don't think that they are 'less masculine'.
Nah not at all, Why would i? Its not for me, i gotta be doing something other than house related stuff, But there is nothing wrong with those that choose that path. Just like there is nothing wrong with choosing to be a housewife, contrary to what a lot of feminists say.
Men have always been thought of as the providers for the family, so a lot of people may think it's not manly. My friend's wife makes a shitload of money and he became the house husband after their sun was born. He seems to be pretty happy. I don't know how happy he's going to be in a couple years when he plans to go back to work haha
Some of those things sound boring.
But
If you have kids, you love your kids and are able to spend a lot of time with them while they grow up.
I'd consider you lucky regardless of man or woman.
No. I don't. And my vote counts as 3. I'm a masaganist (and a bad speller) if a dude can admit his girl makes more money and his value is at home doing domestic shit, then he has bigger balls than me ( I stand all day at a desk job because I can't sit on my balls)
I've served several women in this manner, but I'm not satisfied with that role alone; I find it much more appealing to serve her as a pay pig, as well.
@MzAsh yes and the additional toll a lack of multiple income streams from only one partner working to support either the whole family growing or to even keep an couples expenses lol 😆 afloat
Men don't share universal opinions. The negative opinions of stay at home parents comes from bad/lazy parents and ignorant people that don't understand the context of being a stay at home parent. I am a stay at home dad who also homeschools.
It’s an ick for me. While I appreciate my partner giving me a hand from time to time I don’t think he should be the one doing it.
Whole thing is kind of weird, male female relationships are declining in general. Modern life puts some men in that position.
Not before I became one and not after. The idea that work has to be paid to be valuable & contributory to SOCIETY instead of the household is insane & this myth has to die.
It is to me, because it's simply a woman's role!
There's a reason why a man is a man and a woman is a woman!
A step up would be how many women would find a man who was open about being one of them and thus date, marry and support him?
Women these days hate men so much, especially after men rightfully and purposefully voted for Trump, why would any woman in today’s modern world want to support a stay at home dad? The answer is simple, none would.
@SolitarySolace That's just ONE aspect of the stay at home thing, I say stay at home HUSBAND not just father because the notion men have been told women are now accelerated through occupations like water through a pipe because we were told "men were oppressing us for hundreds of years" when I know of no man in my parents of grandparents generation who actively denied their wife the opportunity to NOT stay at home. Most didn't because money.
Not really but the househusbands I do know are hardly a representative sample like one is a bodybuilder.
I wish to be a house husband. Imagine getting to play videogames all day whilst someone else foots the bill.
Nope.
Nope. I don't care if a guy's a himbo
Well i like dominant men
Every single guy does those things.
Yes for me
No he can be hot too
I dont think they would be
No. Why should I?
Not at all
No I don't
yes.
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