Do you think men are becoming less masculine?

[pink1980]

If so why?

Yes they are

No haven’t changed

No opinion

[Kevin32v]

What you are observing is the oppression of the Masculine energy ( life form ). Certain members of our society have decided that the Masculine form is dangerous and unnecessary in our present day world. I know that feminism is purely political, an attempt to create chaos, that's all, and it is doing so quite well. You see, it takes two unique energies to sustain life, and those two prime energies are the Masculine and Feminine energies, life cannot sustain without them and oppressing either will lead to the demise of both, and consequently the demise of life, period.
Schools have long ago begun denying the freedom of expression of this Masculine energy, so boy's being denied the freedom to express, refine, and practice their Masculine energy, has led to boy's in general giving up on '' life '' and their great potentials. But how can you judge them, since they were never allowed to discover their own nature. Every characteristic of Masculinity is being attacked, weather that's strength, competitiveness, assertiveness, passion, confidence, ambition, logic, Independence, all these traits are cruelly scrutinized by teachers, parents, politicians and lot's of women ( Feminists )
I can't say what the future holds for us, but i know that every structure ever build that tried to oppress men has been destroyed by real man who accept no less than freedom, and no empire, no movements, no kings, no presidents, not even religion was able to hold men down, eventually men won every battle ever fought, that's why today even women have rights, and are afforded the freedom to live a peaceful life, and today these same women are aiding in the destruction of their own salvation.
The wise men of our past have observed that whenever a characteristic of our humanity was being suppressed, it would reappear in a later time in a magnitude like never before, it acquires a presents undefeatable. And since Masculinity is the present day victim of oppression, it will most likely only be a matter of time before things change forever.
I hope my answer is to your specifications.

[Kevin32v]

Man and Woman are supposed to be a team, not enemies.

[pink1980]

Excellent answer. Thank you. I do have one question. In what way are boys taught to deny the freedom of masculine energy?

[Kevin32v]

Hi Pink1980
There is no easy explanation to this subject, but give me a little time and i'll do my best to give you a satisfactory explanation. My hands are full at the moment.
Have a great day.

[Kevin32v]

Hi again pink1980
I'm really sorry for keeping you waiting for so long, i'm just very busy but i'll get to it as soon as i can. I already started writing something up but it's not complete yet.

Just a reminder that i haven't forgotten you.

And thanks for voting my answer as the most helpful, i'm glad it helped you.

Kind regards,
Kevin. V

[Nyx_85]

"Every characteristic of Masculinity is being attacked, weather that's strength, competitiveness, assertiveness, passion, confidence, ambition, logic, Independence, all these traits are cruelly scrutinized by teachers, parents, politicians and lot's of women ( Feminists )"

Actually those seems to be traits that are pushed more in women these days. Though I don't believe they are strictly masculine because a woman can naturally have any of those traits just as a man can naturally have any traits that may be seen as 'feminine'. We all have a mix of all these sorts of traits, however one sex generally leans more to one side of the scale than the other.

[ImMackFreeze]

The feminization of men is tricky because I think it happened over time. I think the PC culture, Sexual Revolution, and several other things. However it doesn't effect everyone of course, you see more people in general becoming softer as a result of political correctness. We can't say certain things anymore, be as rough with each other, and the classroom design isn't meant for boys/teens. Boys are more energetic and have to get their energy out, however doing so now results in punishment. More people becoming less active, video game addiction, drug addiction, alcohol, sex, all these things don't encourage boys to work for anything because instant gratification is everywhere. "You are fine as you are" which has some truth to it, however it is important to realize when we have issues because no one is truly perfect of course. Back to addictions, stimulation is everywhere and social media only helps it too. Anxiety from social media, also seeking validation from others resulting in following the crowd be drugs, sex, etc. That Is where the sexual revolution comes into play. Since women are also sleeping around that means men no longer have to raise their standards to get a woman. If women were to raise their standards I. E. waiting longer for sex preferably marriage, then the men would have to follow the woman! Also it goes without saying that the things you work for are the things you cherish! If you have everything given to you, you don't care about it, but if you have to work for something then it becomes so much more valuable! If women give everything away so soon, then why would there be any reason for a man to work for her affection?

In short, Pressure creates growth, there is no pressure on anyone now. So, they embrace self pleasure since there is no reason not to. Social programs will catch them if they fall at the deficit of those who actually work to get where they are. When there is more pressure, people will arise into the occasion. That is why it is crucial to better yourself everyday and not fall to addiction of substances.

[lumos]

No. But instead of some men trying to be something they don't want to be (traditionally masculine), they're now expressing themselves in ways that they feel are most comfortable. These people have always existed. They've just been hiding behind a mask of masculinity because their true personalities have not been acceptable in the eyes of society up until very recently. The real masculine men will always be masculine. The ones who never were now have the freedom to be themselves.

[WTFliberals]

Its because the mainstream culture encouraging some men to be pussies ! and that's not good at all.

[lumos]

@WTFliberals uhh no it’s encouraging people to be whoever they want to be. That’s better than people faking who they are just to please society and fit into some ”perfect” mold.

[WTFliberals]

Its not to please the society. its biological nature to act this way.
thats why so many failed relationships, marriages and depressed people cause it is not natural.
its making the people to engage in gender war rather than being understandable.

[lumos]

@WTFliberals nothing is understandable about not letting people be who they want to be... also it’s very much in human nature to be different

[pink1980]

@lumos Men are naturally born dominate leaders. All through history men have proven this. Are you saying men have been “faking”? Why? What data do you have to support your theory?

[englisc]

I think that sometimes the opposite is true - that many are encouraged not to be their true selves. For example, I'm not sure if you've ever heard of her but a feminist named Christina Hoff Sommers wrote a book "The War On Boys" where she talked about the way natural male behaviour is pathologized in schools. In many schools they're banned from playing the kinds of things that to me were just normal games that all the guys played - cops and robbers, war games, wrestling etc. In some cases simple games like tag. There have been kids for example who've been suspended for taking a stick and pretending that it's a gun, or even that kid who got suspended for biting a pop tart into the shape of a gun. They've taken away all risk and competition, and all of the things that most young boys like to play, because many of these feminist minded teachers think that the boys should act more like the girls, and they want to stamp out normal behaviour which is what they call "toxic masculinity".

[pink1980]

@englisc I completely agree with you. I think feminists are trying to take away what comes naturally to males.

[Nerdking]

@englisc well said mate

[lumos]

Not all men, just some. It’s proven by the fact that these men exist? If all men were ”meant” to be traditionally masculine, then why do these other men exist who don’t fit that mold? Why would they want to be like that when people like you sit behind a screen and judge them, while telling them that the way they behave is ”unnatural”? I’m pretty sure that they’re just being themselves, otherwise there would be no reason for them to not be traditionally masculine.

@englisc both are true, there are different kinds of roles that are getting forced onto people all the time.

[WTFliberals]

Because of FEMINISM !

They encouraged single motherhood, that causes the boy to be raised only by her. where in fact, you need both parents to raise a healthy boy.

Another thing is, shaming the man masculinity and tell him its OK to be soft, so that they can achieve some equality by lowering the standards of men.

That's why a lot of women wonders what happens to men just as what happens to women in general.

[pink1980]

@lumos Were you born a female?

[englisc]

I think that many (not all) of those men who aren't masculine become that way because they're prevented from acting in that way from an early age and because they're discouraged from acting that way growing up. I have two sons myself, and I notice that most of my girlfriend's friends who also have boys do this, and even though they're young you can see a difference in the way they behave. They think we let them get away with murder but really we just allow them to play like boys like to play. My Mum did the same, I probably would have ended up the same way had it not been for my Dad allowing me to do these things that she wouldn't allow me to do. While we talk about putting them into wrestling, martial arts, football, rugby etc. They talk about putting their sons into dancing, ballet. While we buy ours car, motorbikes, swords, guns etc. They buy theirs prams, dolls, vacuum cleaners. All the things I enjoyed growing up are often seen as being bad, but typical girl toys are seen as good.

[lumos]

@WTFliberals you know why male suicide rates are so much higher than female suicide rates? Well, one factor is that men's suicide attempts tend to be more violent. But another factor is because men are more likely to have a meltdown due to always hiding their thoughts and feelings, because they want to keep this masculine facade.

@pink1980 yes, but how is that at all relevant?

"Many researchers have attempted to find explanations for why gender is such a significant indicator for suicide. In 1981, suicide of men was 1.9 times higher than in women in the UK. In 2012, the male suicide rate increased to over three times higher than the female suicide rate.[17] A common explanation relies on the social constructions of hegemonic masculinity and femininity. According to literature on gender and suicide, male suicide rates are explained in terms of traditional gender roles. Male gender roles tend to emphasize greater levels of strength, independence, and risk-taking behavior.[18]"

[lumos]

"Reinforcement of this gender role often prevents males from seeking help for suicidal feelings and depression.[19]"

Y'all can glorify masculinity all you want but there are plenty of facets of masculinity that are just downright harmful to men, to the point where they might be driven to suicide. Not being allowed to open up and feeling like they need to tough things out on their own is clearly harmful.

@WTFliberals @pink1980 @englisc

[englisc]

I don't think it's true that men commit suicide more because they bottle up their feelings because of traditional masculinity, I think that the opposite is true. The male suicide rate has almost doubled since the 70s. Since the rise of modern feminism, which encourages men to be more sensitive rather than to be more stoic. In doing so they're more likely to see themselves as victims and feel more sorry for themselves, something which they wouldn't have done back when suicide rates were lower.

[lumos]

@englisc feel free to read this study then that proves otherwise. www.sciencedirect.com/.../S1875686708000146

[englisc]

I've read the studies, and still don't 100% agree. Having suffered with depression myself to the point where I became suicidal, I understand how some of that can be true. However, I also think that men naturally deal with things differently to women, preferring more practical solutions and working through things themselves rather than talking about feelings which many see as a waste of time, which I did. Again here I think it's a case of women projecting their way of thinking onto men. So while I think it's partly true, I also don't think that it's the cause. If it was true we'd see less suicide now that men can be more open about this stuff, but instead we see almost twice as much. I think what gets them to the point of being suicidal in the first place is this victimhood mentality, feeling sorry for ourselves, being overly sensitive.

[WTFliberals]

Men suicide rates in the western countries are 400% more than females.
And mostly are white middle aged men !!!
Why?
Because of being bombarded by the sjw are feminists that " white men should check their privilege " and the many false rape accusations that ruins a man's life.
Unfortunately they choose to commit suicide because of the society pressures on them.
And you can see the link :
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/14315-2/

[lumos]

@englisc the majority of men still feel like they can't talk about what they're going through (since less than half had had any contact with a mental health professional), hence the high suicide rates. Only in recent years has it become *slightly* more acceptable. Take a look at China, for instance.
"In most countries, the majority of committed suicides are made by men but, in China, women are more likely to commit suicide.[38] In 2015 China's ratio was around 8 males for every 10 females.[39] Traditional gender roles in China hold women responsible for keeping the family happy and intact. Suicide for women in China is shown in literature to be an acceptable way to avoid disgrace that may be brought to themselves or their families."

Again, traditional gender roles seem to be the leading cause for suicide in Chinese women. I'm not saying that everyone should go soft or become feminine or whatever. I'm just saying that there are many aspects of traditional gender roles that are harmful.

[lumos]

@WTFliberals maybe cite an actual scientific study and not some random biased article as your source?

[WTFliberals]

There are many cases like that.
you can open YouTube and see for yourself ma'am !

[lumos]

@WTFliberals lol burden of proof fallacy. Either you cite a scientific study or I don't care about what you have to say about this. If I can't cite buzzfeed then you can't cite whatever garbage that was that you just posted, or youtube.

[WTFliberals]

@lumos Whatever makes you sleep at night darling !

[englisc]

I saw a doctor a few times, after pressure from my family to do so once they realised that I was depressed. I always saw it as a waste of time, but I went along with it. They basically just told me to take anti-depressants, which made me feel like shit. Then when I mentioned that they'd put me on something else. And then something else. None of it really helped, in fact some that I took made it worse, and I think it's a lazy approach to depression. "Here just take these tablets". They told me that I had a chemical imbalance and that these tablets help to balance things back out, but what most people don't realise is that there's no such thing, and there's no proof of this at all. There's no way to measure it. And these are the supposed experts. Really what helped me was more exercise, better food, better sleep, more social interaction, better ways to cope when I did get low again, and it still happens - I'm just much better at recognising it, dealing with it and getting on with life.

[englisc]

As for traditional gender roles, again I don't think it adds up when there's been an increase despite our society becoming much less traditional. In fact even in women the rate of depression and suicide has risen, and now more than ever are on anti-depressants than before. If traditional gender roles were really the cause the opposite would be true.

[lumos]

@englisc lol whaddaya want me to say, I'm sorry that mental health professionals in the UK are shit? I also went to a therapist for my issues and I'm fine now, and they didn't even suggest any meds. Whether you think it's true or not doesn't really matter because this is what scientific studies show. Despite the fact that we've taken a step towards more freedom of choice, it doesn't automatically mean that the pressures of society have changed, especially in countries like China where traditional roles are very much still an oppressive thing.

[englisc]

What I mean is that I don't trust these so-called experts. If what they were saying is true the suicide rate would have halved since then, not doubled. Those pressure would have been a lot more heavy back then, so f they're the cause there should have been more suicide, but there wasn't.

[lumos]

@englisc yes but I think people back then didn’t want to bring the shame to the family.

[kaylaS91]

No.
To me, 'masculinity' isn't synonymous with being an emotionless brute so if anything, men are discovering a less self-destructive form of masculinity. One where they don't have to spend 90% of their lives at work to feel like their life has any purpose but are instead able to enjoy more time with their families and friends in addition to working a full-time job with more manageable hours.

[LeoLionEye]

As a man I completely disagree with what you are saying. I hate what is happening to masculinity. It's like it is slowly being forcefully removed from society. I wish it would turn back around and return to how it was. As for "they don't have to spend 90% of their lives at work to feel like their life has any purpose" I think that is complete bull. I honestly feel like society is trying to take away any sense of purpose men have period. On top of still having to spending 90% of our lives working.

[kaylaS91]

@LeoLionEye so. you'd prefer to be forced to be the only one working while your wife sits at home, cooks and cleans? You'd prefer to be treated like you have no emotions and like your sole purpose in life is to fuck your wife and make money?

Maybe you should consider moving to the middle east, in that case.

[LeoLionEye]

@kaylaS91 That isn't what I said at all. First off I don't have a wife. But if I did I would want her to work. We can split cooking and cleaning. I just want meaning in my life. I mean most men feel like they have a purpose in life if they are providing for their family and protecting them. That purpose is being ripped from men. Either by the wife taking on more of a provider role or the man not having access to his family. It makes us feel worthless and honestly like what the fuck are we even doing with a family if they don't even really need us.

As for being treated like I have no emotions, yes that is how I want to be treated. Why? Because it's nobodies business how I feel besides for me. It's private and don't need to be known. But apparently that is "toxic". So there is something wrong with me because I don't want to share. Stop trying to dictate how men should act, that is for men to decide.

You are right in that fucking and making money are 2 of most men's want in life tho.

[kaylaS91]

@LeoLionEye
'That purpose is being ripped from men. Either by the wife taking on more of a provider role or the man not having access to his family. It makes us feel worthless and honestly like what the fuck are we even doing with a family if they don't even really need us. '

Okay,. Fair point. Times are changing and women are starting to be treated like human brings rather than creatures who were put on earth to cook, clean, and fuck their husbands.
Which makes you feel like you're being treated unfairly? Really now?

[LeoLionEye]

It has nothing to do with women getting more rights or being treated better. It's about men no longer having a known purpose anymore. Women are stepping up and taking on the same roles as men, and in doing so taking away men's sense of purpose. I mean if she can cook, clean, raise kids, and make a household income; literally what is left to make men feel like they have a purpose in a family? I don't want to be a stay at home dad, that would make me lose my mind from boredom. Men need to be needed, it's slowly becoming so that we aren't. Fuck, you even have women saying they don't need men.

Why would a man seek out and wish to have a wife or a family if they aren't needed and their needs aren't being met? They don't really or at least don't put a fair effort into it. Probably why you see more men not interested in relationship and being ok with lower end jobs. Seriously you're not seeing the effort put in because the rewards are not the same anymore.

[Nyx_85]

They've actually done studies to show that men (and women) are getting too much estrogen. It's in our food (hormone treated meat and dairy and also vegan alternatives like soy), pesticides, cleaning products, body care products, plastic water bottles and a bunch of other stuff. It's even in the air.

[PrincessPie]

Women are becoming more masculine and in some cases men are also becoming more feminine.

[ChronicThinker]

Yeah, because people are shaming it and calling it sexist and toxic.

[Hal2002]

Hell Yes, they are less masculine. In physical condition as well as mental attitude, the males of today are less masculine.

I had a 20 year old working as truckers mate with me today, all day I had to deal with him moaning about his hands hurting from pulling a pellet jack and bitching about his cloths getting a bit of dust and dirt on them.

We delivered to a place where one of his boys worked, I than was subjected to a 30 minute conversation between the 2 about clothes and what outfits they would be wearing over the weekend.

I had enough and ask them if they were sure they were guys, because the last time I heard a conversation like they where having it was between women.

When I was their age me and my boys, talked about sports cars bikes. We talked about females, we did not bitch about getting dirt on our work cloths and we sure as hell did not talk about fashion and what outfits we would be wearing over the weekends.

You can really tell the males that have been raised by female's without a masculine influence, and the males that have been raised with a masculine male influence.

[pink1980]

Wow! 😂😂 He sounds worse then a girl. At 20 I wasn’t talking about my weekend outfits with friends.

[BobMonster]

Western popular culture portrays mascuinity as something bad, add to it a plague of single motherhood which is fault of both men (disappearing after the child is born) and women (they let the rabid feminism create a situation when taking a child from the father is really easy) and you will get an environment that is bad for developing masculine behaviours. Also men are getting different opinions about themselves (once women say that men need to express their feelings, and when they do feminists talk about fragile masculinity or some other bs), they are expected to abondon part of their identity and leave only the side that is appealing to some people (feminists one time talk about how generalization is bad and other time they talk how society should punish all men for stupidity of a few). There is no breeding ground for masculinity in these times, western men resemble a beaten dog which is just covering up.

[Volvagia]

"men are getting different opinions"
lmao no shit, thats because these opinions are coming from two different types of groups for the most part and even then people associated with one group (like feminism) will also have differing opinions on things to some varying degree. How about these men that are getting "differing opinions" as you say, should just do what they want.
I receive differing opinions as a female all the time from different areas of society (ex: "be more feminine!" "be a strong career focused woman!" "be a strong career focused woman but also have tons of kids!", etc.)
You gotta realize that no one person will ever be able to please everyone so might as well just stop giving a fuck and do you.

[BobMonster]

These opinions are often coming from the same group and that's the main problem. Women nowadays can have support, are not afraid to have support because that's how they are raised, men on the other side are raise to sh*t up and just "do what boys do", there is no hug when you are crying, no forgiveness when you do something wrong, no special treatment; cognitive dissonance created by how later memories are conflicted with that is probably making men depressed and not appreciated enough - while they can't ask for help because they don't want to be seen as weak, they prefer to not appeal anyone and just back off. This is sad because it really resembles a beaten dog. Not everything in life is about logic, western culture broke up men emotionally, it told them that everything they are is wrong, and they finally believed it; to reclaim good men west will have to hire an army of psychiatrists, not an army of feminists.

[Volvagia]

while I agree that men in general have been raised to be stoic & phlegmatic since they've been taught that showing emotions is weak which im against as I don't think it's healthy. I don't think holding feminists completely responsible i justified, not denying they haven't played a part but it's that this archaic notion has been established for so long that it's still prevalent by societies' expectations towards men (and women to some extent) in which, everyone has contributed. If you haven't noticed, not just several women but many men uphold this standard of masculinity (I'd actually argue men uphold this more strongly) and if you don't follow that - you're perceived to be less of a man according to them ie: a man getting called a sissy, pussy, faggot, weak etc. for crying over a breakup. I mean, look at most of the opinions from the dudes on this question responding with "how men are less manly"... simply cuz they dont fit the mold of what a man should be in their opinion.

[Levin]

I think so. People tend towards extremes. So there's a paucity of male role models that aren't just boorish and over-male. Which isn't really a credible role model for someone with half a brain. Hence, men decide to look towards female energy instead.

[pink1980]

Very good point.

[theharlequin]

In my observation, it's a generational thing. GenX and older guys (currently my age and older) are typically masculine. Millennials (currently 21-39) are typically immature and less masculine. GenZ guys (currently 20 and younger) are reverting back to more masculine ways. Girls are following a similar trend with femininity. Fortunately.

[Kkaos]

Agree, apart from the GenZ thing. If millennials are less masculine because they're immature, I can't see how the younger GenZs are more masculine, because by that logic, they'd be more mature than their older counterparts and I've seen no evidence of that.

[theharlequin]

@Kkaos
My observations are largely confined to the south-central US, so it may be a regional thing. But on the university campus where I work, the culture shift since GenZ guys and girls have arrived a year or so ago has been amazing. They're not confined by social stigmas, pressures, and indoctrinations that dictated how the Millennials grew up. They're much more free-thinking and less inclined to believe something just because their parents, teachers, or the Internet told them to believe it. The biggest problem I've seen with GenZ individuals is that they're trying to revert without any references from the older generation. In a sense, they're having to reinvent gender roles, which is frustrating to them.

They lack in experience but are greatly motivated. They make a lot of mistakes, but they're much more proactive in learning and confronting the challenge, which sets them vastly apart from the Millennials.

[Kkaos]

Ah right. I see what you're saying, interesting.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

That's a very intelligent way to put it.

[LeoLionEye]

As a Millennial I disagree with most of your observation. I see most of GenX as being mostly masculine, but it also seems to have the small group of men who are the least masculine. No in between you're either masculine or feminine as hell. Millennials I think are the most masculine next to GenX, with most of us being masculine but with some exceptions. As for GenZ I think they are the farthest from being masculine. It's like the majority have no idea how to be masculine. Most just like to whine and complain and they never really had much of a struggle in their lives. This also makes them super immature and feel entitled. You're probably right Millennials are a bit immature though since if I heard someone in GenX say they were masculine and I was less masculine and immature my first thought would be pop this dummy in the face and prove who is more masculine.

[YHL6965]

Feminists, libtard and all this PC bullshit society are turning men into wimps, scared to be labelled as "racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobis" and other bullshits. Libtards are destroying our society by breaking down key values that made our strength.

[misslucky]

Not sure, I think that so many feminists vouch for feminism and equality - when given it, so many are like "men are becoming less masculine!". Isn't that their entire campaign, being 'just as strong as men'. I mean, we're not Neanderthals living in the stone age - hunting for our dinner, I don't see the need for excess masculinity?

[DrJo3]

Most definitely. Personally I think it's part of the elites plans. Feminize/pussify the men, strip us of rights and take away guns. Who will revolt after our rights have been stripped if we have no guns and men are afraid to fight? Empowered feminists? lol

[TheJellyFrogLives]

I've had gender dysphoria for as long as I can remember, but that's rare! There is some worry about artificially high levels of oestrogen in foods, especially milk and scarily high levels can be measured down-river in large cities.
Add in the fact there are less labour intensive jobs and humanity now has the free time to be vain...
And of course there's also good old social evolution.

[Anonymous]

I don't think men really changed but more so the world around them did. I mean women are becoming more like men everyday, it isn't good. On top of that as a man you can't say or do shit most the time without someone being offended or some how ruining your character. More so I just don't think men really care anymore. I mean it seems like we are considered the problem most of the time, we can't do anything right, and we keep getting told that we aren't needed. So we kind of gave up, fuck putting an effort in. I'll just sit her happily playing my video games, drinking my beer and enjoying my porn until it all changes back to how it was. If it doesn't what do I care, we pretty much went from having the most responsibility to having next to no responsibility. Fuck pretty much living the dream.

[narusasuyaoixoxo]

If you want your easy answer, here's your "yes".

If you actually want to understand, it's important to realise that we are in a time where people don't feel like they have to put up a shiny front and prove stuff to people as much. For all you know, people were always repressed about their true feelings, to which led one to believe it wasn't always like this.

People are simply less afraid to be themselves. "Man" a role, a social experiment. You can definitely be one, it's just heavily misunderstood as to what it means to be one.

[Volvagia]

No and tbh I don't really give a fuck about these notions of masculinity and femininity, people take it so goddamn seriously lmao
I just think people in general - including men - have more freedom to express themselves and I dont see this as a negative

[NateIsTheBombYo]

I'm not politicizing this but I've seen a lot of demonizing men as a whole. And usually I'd be fine, but with the suicide rate for men as high as it is, I am somewhat pissed off about lumping in all men with assholes. I don't have a problem with feminine men but demonizing all masculinity as toxic because of individuals is just as bad as people dismissing feminism because of specific examples of feminazis. I just don't think this is the right way to go about things.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

I was sitting in the nail salon the other day sipping a smoothie and I saw some guy help an old lady across the street in the rain. I was like "geez lady, call the fire department". I mean, I'm all for helping others but I don't wanna get my skinny jeans wet.

[gobsmacked3]

' masculine' is an ambiguous term

A lot deem me as masculine for I am old style hard. As in upholding the ethos of 'boys do not cry'. I think this is a blinkered view for I deem it as being true to yourself. In regards to being in tune with all of you. Part of this is being emotionally able. In all regards from not just being strong but also knowing when to be 'weak'

Mufasa from the lion king is the basyion of 'masculinity'

[freakyzeaky]

It is the increase of single mothers trying to raise men and father's being absent that are causing men to seek approval from women and to put their needs first.

[freakyzeaky]

I see I got a downvote, but the reality is, men need good male role models. The reason many men become "too nice", lose their masculine edge or not have /it/ to begin with, is because they lacked healthy relationships with men in their childhood.

Just look at the schools. Male teachers are 1 in 20. Many men are brought up to believe that they have to be accepted by women and so they seek women's approval rather than just being themselves and putting themselves first.

Many women report that as soon as their SO or date starts to put themselves first, have quality time and build healthy relationships with other men, voice their feelings as soon as they feel them rather than hold them in fear of not being accepted for them, they grow to become more attracted to their partner.

That isn't to say men should be uncompromising. But being motivated by self-interest rather than placating to others is the foundation of healthy self-esteem and self-love.

[Nerdking]

Well said

[AlphaMale1]

Our culture is doing this to us. We no longer are involved, as a whole, in physical activity. Now we distance ourselves with gadgets like cell phones, computers, TVs with hundreds of channels, etc. We simply do not socialize as we used to. And this is not a good thing. I miss how much personal contact people use to have just going through their normal day.

[sean1234]

Yes, where are the male role models? Guys see bodybuilders all right, but most famous ones are on steroids no on in their right mind will ever take. So it makes them think that they can't get muscles normally.

[HamAndCheese]

It's because masculinity and its traits are being, hmmm, what's the word... discouraged. Men are told things like, "a real man isn't afraid to cry" and, "pink is a manly color too." At the end of the day I think it really just boils down to society lowering standards for men.

[WTFliberals]

Yes. the mainstream culture affects a lot of them and that's not good at all.
That's why we should embrace the traditional roles and be more acceptable to each others instead of engaging in gender war.

[Dxk007]

Yeah, men are becoming more girlish these days and, women seem to be liking it.

[pink1980]

I’m not one of those girls. I want a guy to catch me if I fall.

[PinkishPink]

Me too!

[Dxk007]

Yeah, we all need someone to support us when, we need them to.

[Italianlady]

i dont like it

[Dxk007]

Not all, but, quite a few.

[JSmuve]

Depends.

How does one measure masculinity?
From what time period are we comparing current masculinity to?
Do we have sufficient data to make any comparisons?
Or is this all based on how we feel compared to some romanticized version of the past?

[NearlyNapping]

Yep. Men and women are both becoming wimpy. Victims of first world problems.

[Anonymous]

No, because "masculine" and "feminine" are just social constructs.

[winterfox10]

They are absolutely getting less masculine, and I think the reason is because women are taking on more dominate roles in society and their relationships.

[HiBye101]

It’s hollywood and femenists they are at a all out war with it.

[Patmedley26]

I think it's more tolerance based if anything. What i mean is that more feminine characteristics are becoming more tolerable in males, which would naturally lead to more men seeming less masculine. It really depends on how you look at it.

[Tony_1693]

Definitely. They don't know how to act anymore and it's all evident if you simply go outside.

[raspberry0416]

No, men are still men. It's the culture that's changing.

[Unit1]

I wouldn't say so. I believe masculinity and femininity is a made up social construct, that probably doesn't even exist.

[Greaver]

Some men are being born with respect towards women and not thinking with their dicks instead of their mind and heart

[Wwwyzzerdd]

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[RidingForever2]

Yes due to loss of our traditional practices which stimulate masculinity in men and femininity in women. And due to modernist sedentary lifestyle.

[MikeHanel]

they need to eat more steak and stop putting so much product in their beards and man buns lol... pussies

[Anonymous]

feminism mainly. its been telling them that being a 'man' is pretty much wrong.

[vjedi]

Just look at the majority of those who are anti-Trump that should explain it.

[injustihs]

Depends how you look at it. The number of guys who act masculine might have gone down, but the guys who are actually masculine haven't changed

[bigbang101]

Your question is good. But it all depends on your definition of masculinity.

[Kiran04]

Yes, definitely. There are more betas running around than ever.

[cupidkisses]

And women are becoming less feminine

[TheStaleMarshmellow]

It's women becoming more masculine. Men are the same. So there's no contrast anymore.

[Kkaos]

You sure about that?

www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...0gK_6EfZT336f62EI5U.jpg

I think the rise of social media has developed self absorbed, narcissistic males who are obsessed with taking selfies and trying to attract the attention of women by acting like women.

[TheStaleMarshmellow]

Maybe it's flipped then. Cause in return. Women tend to be more masculine. Makes the last few of masculine guys feel irrelevant.

[Meeshhh]

True. even though I'm a complete tomboy and even my mentality is more masculine and logical , I have to agree with you. Women who become masculine expect men to like them that way , I may be this way , but I don't expect a guy try and change to like something that he doesn't find attractive or instinctualy right. it just defies nature.

[TruthHurt]

It's the culture as well as feminism and all the feminized bullshit going on. Women have manipulated our society and contributed to making men weaker.

[scooogy]

Oh please, you're in your 30's. Statistically, you crave for sex more than ever, and men around your age can't keep up with you. That's it.

[pink1980]

What the fuck are you talking about? What does sex have to do with my question? Plus I didn’t give my opinion in the question.

[scooogy]

Then why else do you think that men would've become less masculine, if not sexually?

[pink1980]

Sex doesn’t rule my world. Sorry guy. I’m asking in general.

[scooogy]

and you don't answer my question

[pink1980]

No. I’m not going to answer. You’ve already missed the point.

[That2kKid21]

I'd say most men are. But humans are getting softer in general, so yeah.

[SelfIsolated17]

Yeah, males showing masculinity is considered 'problematic' by society now.

[Leo3572]

yes they are. Muscles aren´t anymore need so much for work in those days. It´s mostly just for beauty and that not worth it for everybody.

[Iloveapplepies34]

Well men are not getting bigger or stronger wemen are getting , taller , fatter stronger and smarter , so it just looks like men are getting weaker

[Prima_Dana]

Yes, some men are becoming less masculine.

[AlwaysBelieving]

I think we first have to define what "less masculine" means in your terms.

[Dimmu]

Yea a lot of men now tolerate women shit
Men now can marry sluts

[austindarling]

I think men same as they ever where

[xZoeyx]

Some. Can't say all or most

[Calix]

Masculine guys are dropping like flies

[FýrdracaDócincel]

It's pretty evident, yeah.

[Anonymous]

Ah, here we go again, people putting a solid definition on what a man is supposed to be.

[pink1980]

I haven’t noticed. Will you share?

[Opinion Owner]

The very question you asked and stereotype of masculinity.

[pink1980]

Well yes, that’s a given. You did answer a vague question referring to masculinity. No value was placed on being masculine in my question. How did you conclude a solid definition based on such little information?

[Opinion Owner]

everyone on this entire question line is pretty much stating that men are becoming girly, who are they to decide what defines a man?

[WTFliberals]

@pink1980 And this is one of the examples ! lol

[Opinion Owner]

@WTFliberals
Am I? You have seen only a small insignificant portion of who i am and you are already judging me. Get off your high horse

[WTFliberals]

Opinion Owner.. What is the the definition of a "masculine man' to you?

[WTFliberals]

Aha !!! i thought so..

[englisc]

Girly-men hate masculinity.

[Opinion Owner]

@englisc
1. Real men make decisions for themselves
2. They must be self reliant
3. They have their own mission and purpose
4. They must motivate themselves
5. They do not have to conform, they originate their own ideas and self worth
6. They must be capable of protecting themselves and their loved ones
7. Real men want knowledge
8. Real men help others to succeed
9. Real men are not control freaks,
10. Real men don’t need to impress anyone
So both of you need to cram it up your ass and to the left as i don't have to prove anything to you.

[WTFliberals]

Then why you felt threatened by the post?
even though what you said is true.

[englisc]

So you're complaining about people defining what a man is, while you just defined what a man is...

[Opinion Owner]

@englisc
you asked so i did. i just don't think that someone should be conformed as to what their emotions are.

[Opinion Owner]

and i don't feel threatened, i just hate when people accuse me of something i am not

[englisc]

"conformed as to what their emotions are"

What does that even mean? If a man isn't strong, courageous, competent, honourable - do you think he's still a masculine man? Or are you saying that masculinity doesn't mean anything at all?

[Opinion Owner]

@englisc I mean that when a man happens to cry over death of a loved one or something else. I think it means something. strong, courageous, competent and honorable- all of that still means something.

[Opinion Owner]

else like it

[pink1980]

Opinion Owner The only emotion you’ve expressed is anger.

[Opinion Owner]

Am i just supposed to take being ridiculed without responding? I have not insulted any of you at all but you have insulted me, if anything you are the ones that expressed anger.

[Opinion Owner]

I've said my piece. This discussion is over

[WTFliberals]

" everyone on this entire question line is pretty much stating that men are becoming girly, who are they to decide what defines a man? "
That was your comment that caught my attention...

U DO care what others thinks of you obviously !

[pink1980]

@WTFliberals He does care. I don't know how he managed to change his question to anonymous. Yesterday it wasn’t. he's a special user. Lol

[WTFliberals]

@pink1980 I think he is very pissed now... lol

[pink1980]

@WTFliberals Oh yes. Very pissed. Lol He called all women from the West porn stars and prostitutes on another post yesterday. So he’s quite the ladies man. Lol.

[WTFliberals]

@pink1980 Wait a sec. ! that dude from turkey ( a muslim virgin lol ) who talk about how great the muslims and the westerners are whores? lol

[pink1980]

Yep. I’m almost positive that him. He’s crude.

[rgb008]

Yes.

[Cornchipuniverse]

Pretty obvious reasons

[Nahid1234]

Erm.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Yes they are

[cancan73]

Nope