You're Going to Hell!

[Anonymous]

When I was 15, my mother and I had a major falling out. She had rediscovered her faith and had begun going to church every Sunday and studying her bible. I had no problems with this because this is what she felt in her heart, but I was not raised in a church home by her or my father. My father was and still is an Atheist. Growing up, my mom nor dad nor I went to church except on major holidays or to funerals or weddings, and occasionally, when I slept over, I went to my best friend's church.

So during my 15th year, my mom turned on me in a big way. She wanted to quite literally force me to go to church, and I couldn't understand why. It just seemed to come out of total left field. She thought she needed to be the one to NOW save us all from the burning fires of hell. It was traumatic to me because we would have these normal teenage daughter vs. mother fights, but they would take this dark turn when she would start injecting religion into them and how I wasn't baptized or saved and that I needed God like she needed God and any and all disciplinary problems from her POV were only now because I didn't have faith. It was like someone suddenly trying to tell you, your whole life, you were walking wrong, and now here's the way to do it, or else.

This became a constant recurring theme, and I was over it. Then the breaking point finally came the day when she just screamed at me that I was going to go to hell if I didn't go to church. She called me a complete and total heathen that would burn if I didn't find God. This might as well have been a slap in the face. I mean, I found it quite hypocritical that for 15 years, she'd loved me just the way I was and there had been nothing wrong with me. She had all that time to drag me to church to try and make me believe in what she wanted, but she never went, and my dad certainly wasn't going because his religious upbringing was terrible and turned him away from religion permanently, and now here we were. I was livid and I was extremely hurt by this. I didn't understand what I had done to deserve that.

The damage was done. It shut the door for me on our communications for a long time after that. My dad was Switzerland and didn't get involved which frustrated me a lot. I was the good kid. Like nerdy angel no problems good kid that all the teachers loved. I was an office helper at school. I was never in any trouble with the law. I was a straight A honor student. I volunteered. I was dating a boy both my parents liked and approved of. I was headed towards a full scholarship down the road, and I had never given my parents any reason not to trust me or disrespected them in any sort of way, and yet somehow, my life as is, was the reason I was going to hell!?!

Ironically the person trying so desperately to turn me on to religion was the very one that officially ended up turning me away from it. If a God felt that my life was so horrible simply because I didn't believe in him, even doing well in life and not hurting a soul, that he would send me to hell, then so be it. I didn't then, and I don't now want to be in a place where good people are punished for not believing in something, but someone can kill 2 people, apologize, find faith, and all of a sudden my non-belief is worse then what he's done. I didn't buy it. My mother ended up having to work very hard to find her way back to the bond we used to have because of her religious tirade on my life.

It's years later, and to this day I still refuse outside of weddings and funerals or other family events, to attend church. Fire and brimstone are not the way. Threats to go to church and find faith are not the way. Faith is not a shield. Just because one has faith doesn't make them a good person or a better person. Talk to all the priests and other clergy that have been caught up in all these scandals over the years or all the sins those who have faith commit. They are no different in nature than those without faith, the only difference being they attend church every weekend trying to absolve themselves of their sins and supposedly learn to be better people.

End of the day, you believe what you want. I've never been one to stand in someone's way if they say they need religion to make it through their day or their life. We all need something, it's just different things for different people. For me, it's not church. I help and love people in my life because I do, and I believe that it is good and just to do so. I didn't learn that from church, I learned it from being a part of life around me, and for that I make no apologies.

[btbc92]

Your mom wasn't wrong for telling you the truth. But she definitely handled it poorly. You are entitled to what you believe, but there are things your mother cannot do: save you. You have to seek to be saved. You have to understand why you need to be saved and what you need to be saved from: sin. And the price of sin is death. It's that simple. However, love and hate is within us because of sin. You may not have learned that by being in church, but that is not going to get anybody to heaven. Nobody can force you to go to church. You have to have that desire to do so. Religion does this. But true love of God does not do what she was doing. Please understand at least that she did this out of fear of your soul. Which was valid. But again this was handled poorly. We all have free will to chose who we will serve. We do not serve ourselves. That will automatically put us on the path to hell. But again, till you truly know God, this is the kind of way of thinking anybody would have.

[myTake Owner]

There are so many flaws with Christianity. I mean if I were some native in some jungle somewhere that had never heard of your God, I'd be going to hell according to you, because I don't believe in God and haven't found your church or your specific religion? That makes no sense. How can you believe in something that you don't even know exists? There are so many flaws with this assertion that everyone must know your God and worship your God or it's a long slide on down to hell.

Truth be told, half the people of the world had never heard of and would have never known about your God or Christianity at all if not for people who moved in and tried to force God upon them.

You nor my mom need to worry about my soul because there is nothing you can do about it either way. You have zero power to make any choice which frustrates you to no end.

[btbc92]

There are no flaws with what God has spoken. We ourselves as human beings are responsible for what we decide to do and how we interpret his word. The problem with us is that we want it one way [our flesh] but what's in our spirit is another. That he has spoken about. I believe because I know he exist. I hear his voice, feel his presence, and he gives me wisdom that most people do not have at my age that takes them so long to obtain.

I do not see what you have to be so hostile and defensive over what I have to say. You don't know me, yet you want to group with your mother. I do not know how your mother raised you, accept what you told us. I do NOT agree with how she handled it. But DO NOT put all of that on me. As I just said. She handled it poorly. You have deep seated hatred for God, and your mother for that way for you to say how I don't need to worry about your soul. I will and always care about your soul because that is what God placed in me. If you want to separate yourself from

[btbc92]

that, you done so by your own choice. Not me. Or your mother. You said that you never believed, so how can you put this blame on your mom? You can't. Because God hold us ALL accountable. All of us. You are not a child anymore. You are responsible for you. No longer is this your mom's problem. She is responsible for her own salvation and you are responsible for yours, just like I am responsible for mine.

[myTake Owner]

You didn't answer any of my questions. I can't say I'm surprised. Whenever something doesn't add up, it's always deflect, deflect, deflect or just refuse to answer.

[btbc92]

You know what Asker. I did answer your questions. The problem is you don't want to accept the answer I gave you. You want the rest of the answers? Go to the Bible. He makes it very clear the wager of sin is death. It's death. When my mom had sex at 13 and lost her virginity and caught an STD that led to her getting cervical cancer. She had a similar question: why?

And I told her myself when she was alive: You may have gotten saved, accepted Jesus, turned back from the sin in your marriage and life. But, we still reap what we sowed in this life. There is always a price a pay. In the end, she died Dec of 2015. She did not make it to live. But I know she is at peace with God. So I'm telling you. Religion is of the World. God is about life. He did not say make a religion. You asked me how can I believe something that "quote on quote", I don't know exist? How do you know, a stranger, that I know who doesn't/does exist? I just told you. That I HEAR his voice. Speaking to me as I am speaking

[btbc92]

to you. You never believed, so that link has been shut. Therefore you won't hear his voice because your heart isn't open to hear. You won't know what he wants for you to do because you make it as if it's not of your concern. So you need to just be honest with yourself that you got a problem. A very big problem. In what way am I deflecting? I told you what you needed to know. Because I refuse to tell you what you want to hear.

[skeptic002]

GENESIS 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them

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your mom is right hun you are born in sin literally you break his commandments EVERYDAY and no matter what you say or how you feel

GOD MAKES THE RULES YOU DON'T
so hell or heaven hun your choice

you will be hated for his names sake

[myTake Owner]

There have been dozens of internet hoaxes over the years of actual bones of dinosaurs superimposed with those of humans to try and digitally forge photos or plain pure photoshop of so called giant humans in an attempt to prove that what Muhammad said was true, that giants once roamed the earth. All have been proven fake with side by side comparisons of the real bones, and real work sites, or were erroneously found on photo shop websites and published as truth by newspapers as hoaxes themselves or through a lack of actual fact checking. If you want to believe in the hoaxes, you're welcome to that if you need those "alternative facts," to try and convince people to believe because you cannot do so otherwise.

And where was the part in the bible that says God will hate me? That's a new one.

Look, like I said, if you want to believe in hoaxes and a vengeful hater of a God, feel free, but that's your world and what you need to convince yourself.

[skeptic002]

I know about the hoaxes 3 to 4 years of research on ancient history
now show me that picture is fake
if you are so smart it should be easy

so show me prove your case

[Iraqveteran666]

My Dad spoke of the giant skeleton his great grandad witnessed being found after ww2, the smithsoian has it now and it was never mentioned even in local newspapers. But the government has been hiding native American artifacts and covering up and destroying evidence of native American civilizations in the US for about 150 years.

[skeptic002]

@Iraqveteran666

I believe you
they call it the smithsonian cover up
the story is the bones where transferred to the underground black market and sold too the vatican and illuminate
pure occult

ugh the earth sucks

[skeptic002]

@Iraqveteran666

im pretty sure there are occultist here on GAG
they kinda give it away sometimes

[Iraqveteran666]

It's no mistake that these giants have been found everywhere around the world including in and around the holy land where they are actually mentioned in the Bible.

[skeptic002]

@Iraqveteran666 they actually had to kill the giants cause Satan and the giants setup shop there first before they got their

[Iraqveteran666]

The devil uses his servants from ball to bahomet to Orobas to so many others.

[levantine99]

thats whats bad with protestantism and religious fanaticism. they turn people away. in orthodox christianity we should lead by example not force. the human heart is created to understand only love and compassion. if it sees the Spirit of God in you, it will want to find out whats going on here. where this radiating love and serenity in your face comes from? if the person though hasn't found peace in itself yet he/she can't heal others. as Christ said remove the huge log in your eye first if you want to remove your brothers' little stick... .

[Iraqveteran666]

As a Catholic the only problem I would have with you orthodox guys is the castration part.

[levantine99]

@Iraqveteran666 we dont do that. thats an urban myth. these were some isolated cases of extremist ascetics that took initiative without the blessing of official church or a spiritual guide.

[Iraqveteran666]

Sorry I meant circumcision but every church has their skeletons

[levantine99]

@Iraqveteran666 we dont do circumsision. where did you get that from? lol. maybe you are confused with "orthodox" jews?

[Iraqveteran666]

Thought you guys did. Well I guess we should let you guys return to Rome lol

[levantine99]

@Iraqveteran666 ehhmmm. thats what they taught you in school? its rome that left the mother Church actually. every serious catholic that i know of that knows his history admits that... .

[levantine99]

darling you even thought we have circumsission. i think you have wayyyy too much studying to do before we diiscuss ecclesiastic history. and i say that with much love cause at your age, you'd like to not be misinformed and a bit embarassed maybe if you say something gooffy during a conversation like the circumsission thing for example... .

[Iraqveteran666]

Lol its alight my country and my father's country was dancing around totems around that time lol

[levantine99]

@Iraqveteran666 haha i love your humor and humility! totally surprised with the honesty of the answer.

[Iraqveteran666]

Well it's true.

[greycadillacs]

If you're a good person, and try to make the world a better place, then whatever God that might be up there will be happy with you. The main problem with religion is all the people who get caught up in all the rules. Like a person who said I was going to hell for accidentally eating meat on a Friday during lent. What kind of god is more upset about someone eating meat than someone being an asshole? I also saw so much hypocrisy when I had to go to Church as a kid. People would be jerks, truly awful humans all week long, then go to church on Sunday and think they were being great human beings.

I think this was a great take.

[myTake Owner]

Tell me about it! We have a lot of people where I live who wait in parking lots with pamphlets, and as soon as you approach your car, they jump out and want to hand you info and try and convert you or whatever. One lady, jumped out and said to me clear as day, you're going to hell, and then proceeded to hand me her info which I threw back in her face. I mean really, what is this? This is how you think people are going to then say, oh, sure, let me hear what you have to say? Really?

[greycadillacs]

You're absolutely right. Using fear tactics is insane. I'm very curious where along the way they lost sight of just being a good person to everyone around them, and turned into such close-minded , angry zealots. And to make assumptions about a person like that is awful. Reminds me of the people who use to stand down on campus and yell about how we were all going to hell since we all were having pre-marital sex.

[myTake Owner]

If you have to use fear and intimidation to get people on your side, there are major flaws in either your religion or you as a person. I mean if the point of church is to learn to be a good person and to do good deeds, and even they admit, they are not without sin and are not perfect, then what is the difference between what I am doing, and what they are doing. Nothing, but four walls. You will never convince me that volunteering and teaching and ACTUALLY loving my neighbors as opposed to only loving them if they love your God and your ways, is sinful and wrong. That's stupid and like I said, if their God is real and says that's worthy of hell, then so be it. I don't want to be in a Heaven where someone can gun down 5 people, apologize, and pray every Sunday, and they go to Heaven.

[greycadillacs]

Exactly. I'm also concerned when people say it's only wrong to kill or steal because GOD says it's wrong. As if, if God suddenly said it's okay to murder, that would then be okay. Not because you're actually causing harm to someone else! You should know right from wrong without having to learn any religion or listen to any God

[CrystalChild]

There are so many beautiful people who believe in so many different things. There are ugly atheists and ugly Christians. I will never believe in a God who sends his children for hell and demands to be glorified. I believe we glorify our Creator when we treat one another with love and respect

[mobligator]

I believe that hell is one of the many pagan beliefs that have crept into the bible just as the devil or satan and there are many other beliefs that were taken from mythological religions e. g. the Hellenistic and Egyptian religions but I believe hell would be, to be abandoned from the presence of God after death or to just remain in the grave instead of having a life after death as taught by Jesus; e. g when he raised Lazarus from the grave and when Jesus rose from the dead.

[Unit1]

Freaky fanatics.
Plot twist: Religion is a tool to make it's members do their masters bidding. No questioning allowed.

We ARE in hell! Pollution, wars, poverty, hunger, diseases, deaths, nuclear threats, thefts, overpopulation, natural disasters etc.

Am I right, @JudgmentDay?

[Iraqveteran666]

Wow it must be he'll living where you live with all that hardship

[Unit1]

@Iraqveteran666 Nah, he's in the USA and I am in one of those bloody third world cuntries.

[Iraqveteran666]

I'm sorry your country is shit.

[Unit1]

@Iraqveteran666 It's ok man. Shit happens and I deal with it._.

[Iraqveteran666]

Yeah but I feel so much white guilt for exploiting your people. It's like my hand is up your butt like your my sock puppet.

[Unit1]

@Iraqveteran666 I have no idea what you are talking about

[Iraqveteran666]

I'm sorry for how you've been treated.

[JudgmentDay]

@UNIT pretty much. I expect the worst of the worst is yet to come. Nothing can or will save us. And none of us can actually prepare for the worst of the worst, unless you have the resources, the connections, etc. And even then, it's just trying to postpone and delay the inevitable. Otherwise just take it easy one day at a time, since whatever is going to happen is completely beyond our control either way. The luckiest are those that had never arrive and come into this kind of a world; those that will never come into existence here, never conceived at all to begin with.

[Unit1]

@JudgmentDay Yep. I can feel the souls, that aren't existing thanking me for keeping them out of our realm.

[Stone_Fizzlebeef]

It's all in your interpretation. Some people use religion as a weapon to subjugate others (cough, Islam, cough) while others look at it as a guide. The problem isn't necessarily with religion, but with the people who practice it for selfish ends. That would be a lot of them. You'd be better off practicing your religion on your own.

Or not at all.

[Lucifer_666]

This is why I have no respect for Christianity. It's a religion based on fear tactics. Also, ask a preacher this question: can I burn an angel? If he says no, ask why do you have to worry about burning in hell if you can't burn a spirit

[OrionH]

That is mainly how I became an atheist

[Trestolone]

True christians do not allow this nonsense. If your mother were a true christian she would slay all saracens and reclaim the holy land of jerusalem. DEUS VULT!

[Iraqveteran666]

@Trestolone I'm all for that lol

[jacquesvol]

I have good news for you: hell exists only on Earth, when there's abuse, a war or a famine.
The bad news is that there have been many wars and there will be more wars. And abuse won't stop soon either.

[FrenchyRomain]

i'm going to hell anyways : 1 sin or 100 i'm damned either way. So why not commit a 10000 sins and come down there a legend?
all jokes aside i don't believe in this. I'm an atheist and if i'm going to hell for my beliefs then bring it on

[Goldenshark]

Telling an atheist he's going to hell is like telling an adult they wont't get any presents of santa this year

[Iraqveteran666]

Well as long as you don't intend to have a big church wedding I don't see the problem.

[myTake Owner]

Even if I was religious I wouldn't be married in the church, but rather on my Grandparents land. Much more personal and sentimental, and as for my death, I also don't want anything in a church. Just take me to the grave, roll me in there, and call it a day. Those who love me, love me dearly, and I know that. I don't need to be fake near the end to anyone or anything.

[Iraqveteran666]

That's fair enough. The gist of the Gospel is that Jesus says decide. A simple inexpensive wedding is the way to go only for my in laws paying for it I would not have parted a quarter of what they paid, the only reason I went a long with the big church wedding was because it's what my wife wanted. Graves are more for the living than the dead, I would hate to think that when I die my spirt hangs around my grave.

[samcool092]

if you do good deeds , you don't have to worry. if you do bad deeds , no amount of faith can save you from hell.

[Mzhyde19]

Ditto.

[Anonymous]

Good mytake!