Can More than one God exist, even though Yahweh claims to be the only God that actually Exists?

[Anonymous]

Chaos Argument:

1) Chaos means anything can happen.
2) If anything can happen, then a God of Order can exist.
3) A God of Order can Create a maximized Universe, such as the one we live in.
4) Therefore a God of Order exists.

But if Chaos can Create a God of Order, then can't Chaos create a God of Evil/Disorder, such as Satan?

Perhaps the reason "God" doesn't destroy Satan is because Satan is immortal and cannot be destroyed, except possibly by Chaos.

What is clear is Paul is wrong in the New Testament, Jesus has NOT triumphed over "Satan" (or whatever the name is of the Supreme Evil Being) because Evil continues to exist and is about as bad, sometimes worse, than it ever was; Such as the Holocaust or the invention of chemical and nuclear and biological weapons.

If Chaos is the First Cause, then the Biblical God is NOT the First Cause, and is therefore a liar, and then neither the Biblical God nor the Devil can be trusted.

The First Cause must be a Singular Being, but a Mind is not a Singular Being, a Mind is made up of parts relatable due to some form of mechanics. Therefore I was wrong in the past, God cannot be the First Cause.
Nevertheless if Chaos had Created the Universe directly, we would not expect the Laws of Physics to be maximized, we would expect at least some of the laws to be "half-assed" and not work at all, or only work part of th etime, etc.

Therefore I still believe in a God of Order, because Chaos alone does not explain all of the phenomena in the Universe.

But if Chaos Created the Devil, then the Greatest Good God that actually exists is apparently not capable of permanently defeating the Devil, contrary to Paul and John's epistles.

If the Good God of Order were in fact capable of defeating Satan, he should have already done so at the beginning of time, and not let sentient mortals suffer so much wrong and confusion.

Updates

+1 y

By the way, maybe this is Schizophrenia, or maybe the Devil, or maybe Chaos, but I just had a Voice speak to me in my mind and say:

"There are no Gods and no Devils. I am the one you call Chaos. I do have a Mind, and I do everything I want to do, because I am the TRUE CREATOR."

Well if this is true, then that settles it.. First Cause must not be required to be benevolent nor malevolent, He simply IS.

Updates

+1 y

Chaos just told me his Chosen name is in fact Yahweh, but I have already proven the Bible is not "Inspired and Infallible", at least about half of it is provably false and contradicts the other half.

but if Chaos is in fact one and the same as Yahweh, then the Bible coudl be some sort of Test of our Wisdom, maybe it's intentionally false to test whether people are dumb enough to believe a falsehood.

If Chaos is one and the same as Yahweh, then the Bible is not required to make sense.

[OfDeath]

Yahweh never actually made any claims. It is a character made up by people of ancient Israel known as the Canaanites from which the tribe later known as the Jews split and adopted Yahweh as their god. So any claims attributed to Yahweh (and any other fictional character) are the claims of people who made it up.

Your chaos premise is also fatally flawed. Chaos only means disorder. Another definition is infinite formless matter. It doesn't mean anything can happen. So it's already dead there but I can do better even than that. Suppose god was possible due to chaos, god is therefore dependent on chaos to exist but chaos is not dependent on god, therefore god is not necessary for existence and becomes an infinitely unlikely possibly for a first cause. Even that is only assuming that not only possible possibilities are allowed.
If the uncaused could be God itself then the uncaused could be anything and would have no need or reason to be god. This obviates god. Therefore there is no need to invoke god to end an infinite regress and if you do, the regress is only perpetuated.
The only hypothetical reality which would allow god, has no need of it anyway.
Uncausation has no need for or to be god. But god needs to be uncausation or to utilise it in order to remain valid.
Those voices? That is schizophrenia.

[jshm2]

No.

Also, you've used a lot of words to say nothing.

If more than one gods existed, then we would be living in a Greek mythology style existence. The purpose of any "power" in the universe is to wield it among your stronger or weaker, for your own benefit and agenda.

We see it in human history that one civilisation and empire will always fight or collaborate with another. Even in nature we see life either fights, collaborates or forms a symbiosis for itself and it's agenda.

So called "gods" would be following the same pattern as it did for the Greeks. But we know that is not the case. What is infinite is not similar or subject to the finite.

[jennifer_bloom]

In order for avid to create things he has to be bigger than creation and the only way he can be bigger than creation is if he is the sum of all forces behind creation and if he is the sum of all forces behind creation than he is the only God

[Asker]

This is part of the reason I have concluded, and Yahweh has spoken, that Chaos and Yahweh are one and the same Being. Chaos is the origin of the "gods and goddesses" in Greek Mythology.

but "God" (Capital G) which is Yahweh spoke to me one time and said He could be all the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses simultaneously, because He is Almighty, but that He does not want to do such a thing, (and it would only add confusion to humans.)

And so, Yahweh is in fact the "God of All Things" including the God of both Good and Evil, and Light and Darkness, and Chaos and Order.

[Agape93]

Yeah. Just because you claim something doesn’t mean it’s true. Besides, the god of Abraham was just ONE of the gods in ancient Judaic polytheism. And of course it’s the jealous one.

[Asker]

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is dead. There is a First Cause, a "True Creator", and I called him "Chaos", but He told me to call him "Yahweh," but the Biblical notion of Yahweh is wrong.

Yahweh is not a God after all. The term "God" refers to an Idol, which is why Yahweh-Chaos corrected me and said there are not Gods or Devils. My first post was my own opinion, the second post was Yahweh correcting me.

[Agape93]

My goddess is Babalon, consort to chaos, her husband. Funny they make no mention of you.

[Asker]

In String Theory, the First Cause is sometimes called "infinity". All possibilities are contained in Infinity.

There is only one The First Cause, and only one The True Creator, and whether you call him Chaos, Yahweh, or Infinity, the result is the same..

I do not know of any consort to Infinity, as in numerals it is an unbounded (hypothetical) number, but in terms of reality, infnity is unbounded, whereas Christians think God is bounded only by himself, Yahweh has said He does everything he wants to do, because he Is The True CReator.

So even if Yahweh had created some sort of "Mate" for himself, the mate could not be equal to Yahweh, because the Mate could not be The First Cause of Reality, as I have argued in times past.

[Agape93]

You’re frankly full of it. Chaos is not infinity, it isn’t Yahweh. Yahweh is from polytheistic ancient Judaism and infinity is literally just endlessness, a matter of time and space. Nothing more. Chaos is an entity, and I worship his consort bride. Babalon wouldn’t talk to you as you don’t give her your passions, and Chaos cannot speak to anyone, much less give you visions of the future.

Don’t try to out occult me, boy. This is MY world, MY speciality, MY domain. You’re a neophyte, a beginner who doesn’t know the difference between 3 vastly different things.

[Agape93]

@AmourHoney this is it lol this dude cracks me up

[AmourHoney]

My brain just went 🤯

[Agape93]

Lol I know right

[Agape93]

@Wade8888 told you so. Maybe pay attention dude

[Anonymous]

"Chaos Argument:

1) Chaos means anything can happen."
No it doesn't. But go on...

"2) If anything can happen, then a God of Order can exist."
No it doesn't. Just because something CAN happen doesn't mean it or has.

You are clearly incapable of reasoning this out logically. But to demonstrate how stupid point #2 is... "If Anything can happen, then a United Federation of Planets can happen. Where is my Starfleet?"

Your rant about first causes look like the ramblings of a person in the throws of a schizophrenic episode.

[Asker]

Classical Chaos is the first stage of reality, before Time and Space exist. He does not obey laws of mechanics or order as we could ever understand them, and therefore "conservation laws", for example, do not apply to Classical Chaos. therefore Classical Chaos CAN Create Reality outside of Himself. Therefore it is possible for Order to exist.

And I was Corrected by Yahweh-Chaos so that there are no Gods, there is simply "I AM THAT I AM".

[Asker]

In this way, Yahweh-Chaos can solve all possible problems simultaneously, and that makes Yahweh "All knowing" which solves th eproblem I had.

In other words, Chaos actually has the properties of a Mind after all.

This is similar to some classes of Quantum Computers, which may also have the properties of a Mind.

[Opinion Owner]

You need to be medicated before you go off the deep end completely and start hearing voices.

[Asker]

lol. I already hear voices. Nevertheless I fight th etemptation to turn away from the LORD, and I know by my intention to follow HIS Righteousness, that the lying voices that speak to me are not the True Creator.

I have defeated suicidal ideations and I have defeated homicidal ideations because Yahweh has Grace towards me and because Yahweh lead me to th eright medical doctors and psychiatrists to treat the illness.

"Taking to God" is not a mental Illness, as I have been told by Psychiatrists, inlcuding a leading expert Christian psychiatrist, and "Talking to God" per se is not considered a mental illness. IN fact, you have a God-given right to pray and HEAR from God. That's what a "Relationship" with God is like.

[Opinion Owner]

Medic!!

[OddBeMe]

If anything can happen, then both a god and non-god can exist. Your premise doesn’t work.

[Anonymous]

It's too early for me to fathom all of this

[Asker]

Chaos-Yahweh says the Bible is corrupt, but there is a True inspired text somewhere in India, but he has told me I will not be able to find it. I assume it's written in Sanskrit or maybe a language that pre-dates Sanskrit. It is not the Mahabaratah.

I know Angels really do exist, because I've eye-witnessed them in some of my Precognitive Dreams.

[Asker]

Also, in both EUropean and East Indian history, there are "wars in heaven" between opposiing deities. Chaos has told me they were two species of aliens who had a war over the Earth in the past about 1000 years ago and also a few million years ago. One species was trying to claim the EArth as their own, and the other Species protected humans and defeated the invaders, and then left.

[Asker]

"Blind Faith" is not "Valid Faith". Valid Faith agrees with Wisdom and Understanding. So I need a way to Test the Voice speaking to me, to prove it is not a figment of my own imagination (schizophrenia) nor an actual Devil, but really is the True Creator.

So Chaos told me, "Go to College and tell the Dean you can define division by zero in terms of an imaginary number 'j" and then solve some limits and differentials that can't be solved otherwise, then the 'j' will cancel and give a finite real solution or a finite imaginary solution defined in terms of 'i". Tell them ahead of time Yahweh-Chaos told you to do this."

[Avicenna]

I don’t believe so

[ChefPapiChulo]

What the fuck