I don't think its the hijab, Its because in Islamic Countries its obvious that women are treated as lesser than men. I refer to cases were a married woman who was raped, and she received worst punishment than her attacker.
Now that's not exclusively to do with Islam, the Catholic Church doesn't allow women to be priests.
because it's NOT really a personal choice, it's something that has been forced upon you but you happen to like it or at least tolerate it. Choose to take it off and your parents/grandparents/imam/etc will be quite unhappy. Choose to remove it in certain countries and you'll DIE.
Probably because if you go to certain Muslim countries without a covering very bad things will happen to you. And it's very ironic the left wants to defend Islamists when they have more in common with the Christian right.
See the thing is, We are too ignorant to learn anything, all these comments are just showing their perception they got from movies and news. Islam is beautiful religion. It gave you set of rules. Hijab is one of them. Hijab is mandatory in Islam but girls are not force to take hijab at least not in my country in average.
It is all about fashion industry, nothing to do with religion rather something to do culture. But now is just a fashion on head. Personally I know some female as soon they leave their location become liberal take off everything wearing shorts cropped tank top , mini skirt so on, drinking and dancing too.
Forgot all about the Burka and the stoning of women who get raped. Their Choice is much like someone choosing not to kill themselves one day. The Social consequences of not wearing a head covering is extremely dire. @doopayo Why do you bring up the same talking points white liberals bring up 5 years after the fact?
@ChrisMaster69 Turkey doesn't fucking matter. Turkey is just Greece with more rugs. Fuckwits like you need to back the fuck off and take your shitty ginger prince out of my fucking country. And who the fuck voluntarily goes to the fucking sand box?
@ChrisMaster69 You're a cargo cult fucking retard if you think Democrats would type this out. Do you have any context of what American Politics are? Of course you don't, Fucking Limeys scarcely know shit about the world around them.
If you live in the west, then it is a choice, but believe it or not, many girls in the west are forced to wear it by their parents. In the middle east however, it is mandatory in many countries, and it historically wasn't a choice, you would have been jailed or executed for not wearing it in an islamic caliphate.
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I have ZERO issues with it as long as it's their personal choice.. And you cannot deny this, there are countries out there, where it is simply not a choice, if she chooses not to follow the religious law she can be killed for it. Thankfully I think it's a small handfull countries..
Again if it is her choice I have zero issues with it.. I have a friend of mine that wears them.
Wearing the hijab doesn’t make a woman oppressed. If she feels liberated naked she should feel liberated fully covered as well. It’s all about what the INDIVIDUAL wants to do.
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There are certainly some that are being AT LEAST pressured by family if not completely forced. However, there are also those that do it completely out of free will. It’s best not to have preconceived assumptions about anyone though as that would be like judging a book by its cover.
Depends on which country we're talking about. In my country, religious women voluntarily wear hijabs. I have never met a woman who was forced into this by her family or husband but I know there are women who are forced to do this.
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Because to those of us on the outside it looks like a rule imposed by strict religion or men, not the women themselves. Of course if they choose to then there’s nothing oppressive about it, but I’ve also heard others say they don’t want to but feel they must - that is obviously oppression.
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Actually they wear it because of two reasons First yes it's a signature that God points at in the Quran, and second it helps girls to hide the parts of their bodies that makes men and some other woman jealous and horny They liken it to how a shell protects its pearls Also people think like that because those women simply can't have sex with anyone other than their husband, they think this is upsetting but it's actually their choice
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Because in some nations, it is legally required for women to wear a hijab (like Iran and Indonesia) and in many countries, there is unofficial pressure to do. So in many parts of the world, it actually isn't a personal choice, and there are serious negative consequences for not wearing one.
I don't think the Hijab itself is oppression. Afghanistan under the Taliban was extreme where they forced women to wear burkas. That being said, many of these women don't really have a "choice" in the matter. There are legal punishments in some countries for women who refuse to wear it, and they also face reprisal from other fundamentalist Muslims (or family members) who consider it mandatory for women to wear it.
I find these hijabs so hot, I would buy them for my girlfriend (if I had one) and fuck her with them on.
Aham, back to the question, it's because these hijabs are associated with Islam culture, which is pretty known to be a misogynist society, I mean come on, in one of those countries out there the woman has to ask for their husband's permission to do anything, while the opposite is not valid, and that's just wrong double standards, am I wrong?
Islam is not a culture or society, it’s a religion. Which country is that? And even if there is a country that enforces such laws- there is not country on the planet that enforces Shariah Law, to the full extent. Many Muslim countries often have aspects of Shariah within their legal systems, but none have a full Shariah legal system, consequently, none actually follow Islamic law properly.
In Islam the wife’s voice does matter, and a husband has duties and must fulfil her Islamic rights, if he doesn’t she had every right to divorce him- so yes, you are wrong.
And actually, it’s so funny how you accuse Islam of being misogynistic yet you fetishize women in hijabs and sexualize the hijab- when that’s highly disrespectful given women wear hijabs for the sake of God and modesty. That sounds like double standards to me.
@SpiderManFan2002 Islam culture I meant countries with an Islam government, a non-secular state in other words, these countries are located in the Middle East. First time I heard of this Shariah Law, and I do not have the sources of which country has that double standards I pointed out.
About my sexual fetish, I do not follow the Islam religion, so the reason one potential girlfriend of mine would even use one has nothing to do with Allah. But of course if she happens to follow this religion then I would not ask her to do something disrespectful for her own religion.
Well, Muslim majority countries also exist outside of the Middle East. Not everyone in or from a Muslim country is sexist, there’s sexist people everywhere in non-Muslim countries and in Muslim countries. Why is it that my hijab gets frowned upon and I get told I’m oppressed because I wear it for the sake of my Lord, but the same standard is not applied to say a woman who wears high heels for example? Many employers force their female employees to wear high heels because they’re more aesthetically pleasing than flats? If she doesn’t want to wear high heels, isn’t that oppression?
Anything can be oppressive if forced. But if somebody chooses to for whatever reason, then how is whatever they are choosing to wear or do oppressive?
I just gave you a general answer, it's not what I personally think (about the hijabs specifically, not the husband and wife nonsense), which is people associating them with misogynistic countries, but I am well aware that they do it for personal choice, and that's not oppression. My bad if I was unclear.
For SOME it's a personal choice. For others it's the LAW, and for others they are obligated because the radicals in those countries will harass them if they don't.
In countries like Turkey, Tunisia and Lebanon it's a choice. But in others, they wear it because they have been told they must.
So YOU are the ignorant one. Don't common on topics you know nothing about
Actually I think you’re the ignorant one here. The hijab is the law in Iran, which is wrong nobody should be forced to wear the hijab against their will, and a number of women are forced to wear the hijab by either their family members or peer pressure.
She’s not ignorant, she’s simply speaking for the women who choose to wear it because our stories hardly ever get told.
And in fact, France bans the wear of hijab in several ways. And as for the niqab there is not a single country that enforces it, yet there are 17 countries that ban the niqab, I find it interesting how you only tell one side of the story.
It’s oppressive to force somebody to wear something if they don’t want to, and it’s oppressive to force somebody to not wear something if they want to.
@SpiderManFan2002 Also, France only enforces it in government institutions, but niqab is strictly enforced and rightfully so. Morocco banned niqab for security reasons, and Turkey had banned headscarves in government institutions at one point.
And I don’t know why you’re trying to justify it being banned in France, by saying it was banned in Turkey and that the ban is in government institutions.
Just because a Muslim majority country bans the hijab doesn’t legitimize the ban of hijab in a non-Muslim country, because Muslim women are being prevented from practicing their religion, which is oppressive no matter where it is.
Secondly, why can’t a woman be free to wear the hijab in a government institution? It doesn’t matter if France isn’t a Muslim majority country they have a Muslim population that they are oppressing by preventing them from practicing their religion.
So, what you’re essentially saying is that oppression of women in Iran is essentially a “dress code” and the same goes for France? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
Women should have the choice to dress how they want to.
I’m not twisting your words. If you mean something else, and I’m misinterpreting it then tell me- I’m just saying what it sounds like to me, but if that’s not what you mean- then please correct me.
Probably because so many people have heard and read about how mistreated women are in some Muslim countries. They associate hijabs with Muslims, making the mistake, thinking that all Muslim women are mistreated.
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Because they have no understanding of the reason for wearing that clothing. There is substantial cultural and religious reasons for it. And there is nothing wrong with it. The women I know that where that is garments do so voluntarily and enjoy doing it.
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I don't think its the hijab, Its because in Islamic Countries its obvious that women are treated as lesser than men. I refer to cases were a married woman who was raped, and she received worst punishment than her attacker.
Now that's not exclusively to do with Islam, the Catholic Church doesn't allow women to be priests.
because it's NOT really a personal choice, it's something that has been forced upon you but you happen to like it or at least tolerate it. Choose to take it off and your parents/grandparents/imam/etc will be quite unhappy. Choose to remove it in certain countries and you'll DIE.
Probably because if you go to certain Muslim countries without a covering very bad things will happen to you. And it's very ironic the left wants to defend Islamists when they have more in common with the Christian right.
Because people who know nothing like to pretend to know everything.
And some like to shame people for having a different religion
See the thing is,
We are too ignorant to learn anything, all these comments are just showing their perception they got from movies and news.
Islam is beautiful religion. It gave you set of rules.
Hijab is one of them.
Hijab is mandatory in Islam but girls are not force to take hijab at least not in my country in average.
It is all about fashion industry, nothing to do with religion rather something to do culture.
But now is just a fashion on head.
Personally I know some female as soon they leave their location become liberal take off everything wearing shorts cropped tank top , mini skirt so on, drinking and dancing too.
Forgot all about the Burka and the stoning of women who get raped. Their Choice is much like someone choosing not to kill themselves one day. The Social consequences of not wearing a head covering is extremely dire. @doopayo Why do you bring up the same talking points white liberals bring up 5 years after the fact?
@Ryfyle you mean like how it was actually banned (government, civil, military, education etc) in Turkey until very recently.
How many Gulf states you been to?
@ChrisMaster69 Turkey doesn't fucking matter. Turkey is just Greece with more rugs. Fuckwits like you need to back the fuck off and take your shitty ginger prince out of my fucking country. And who the fuck voluntarily goes to the fucking sand box?
@Ryfyle like wow, you do put the R in to retard
You really do get a bit drooling and spitting there.
I guess you also put the R in to Racist, the F in to Fuckwit and the D in to Democrat
That’s the problem with you democrats.
@ChrisMaster69 You're a cargo cult fucking retard if you think Democrats would type this out. Do you have any context of what American Politics are? Of course you don't, Fucking Limeys scarcely know shit about the world around them.
@Ryfyle really no way you are a Republican?
Really, I never would have guess, I had you pegged for a Democrat there.
Sorry about that then
@ChrisMaster69 I'm nowhere near that moronic false dichotomy.
@Ryfyle I thought you would be a card carrying member.
Oh are you just pretending to be a Republican, got you.
Undercover democrat.
@ChrisMaster69 You are, Unironically, retarded.
If you live in the west, then it is a choice, but believe it or not, many girls in the west are forced to wear it by their parents. In the middle east however, it is mandatory in many countries, and it historically wasn't a choice, you would have been jailed or executed for not wearing it in an islamic caliphate.
Right on
I have ZERO issues with it as long as it's their personal choice.. And you cannot deny this, there are countries out there, where it is simply not a choice, if she chooses not to follow the religious law she can be killed for it. Thankfully I think it's a small handfull countries..
Again if it is her choice I have zero issues with it.. I have a friend of mine that wears them.
MashAllah these girls are beautiful.
Wearing the hijab doesn’t make a woman oppressed. If she feels liberated naked she should feel liberated fully covered as well. It’s all about what the INDIVIDUAL wants to do.
There are certainly some that are being AT LEAST pressured by family if not completely forced. However, there are also those that do it completely out of free will. It’s best not to have preconceived assumptions about anyone though as that would be like judging a book by its cover.
Depends on which country we're talking about. In my country, religious women voluntarily wear hijabs. I have never met a woman who was forced into this by her family or husband but I know there are women who are forced to do this.
Because to those of us on the outside it looks like a rule imposed by strict religion or men, not the women themselves. Of course if they choose to then there’s nothing oppressive about it, but I’ve also heard others say they don’t want to but feel they must - that is obviously oppression.
Actually they wear it because of two reasons
First yes it's a signature that God points at in the Quran, and second it helps girls to hide the parts of their bodies that makes men and some other woman jealous and horny
They liken it to how a shell protects its pearls
Also people think like that because those women simply can't have sex with anyone other than their husband, they think this is upsetting but it's actually their choice
Because in some nations, it is legally required for women to wear a hijab (like Iran and Indonesia) and in many countries, there is unofficial pressure to do. So in many parts of the world, it actually isn't a personal choice, and there are serious negative consequences for not wearing one.
I don't think the Hijab itself is oppression. Afghanistan under the Taliban was extreme where they forced women to wear burkas. That being said, many of these women don't really have a "choice" in the matter. There are legal punishments in some countries for women who refuse to wear it, and they also face reprisal from other fundamentalist Muslims (or family members) who consider it mandatory for women to wear it.
I find these hijabs so hot, I would buy them for my girlfriend (if I had one) and fuck her with them on.
Aham, back to the question, it's because these hijabs are associated with Islam culture, which is pretty known to be a misogynist society, I mean come on, in one of those countries out there the woman has to ask for their husband's permission to do anything, while the opposite is not valid, and that's just wrong double standards, am I wrong?
Islam is not a culture or society, it’s a religion. Which country is that? And even if there is a country that enforces such laws- there is not country on the planet that enforces Shariah Law, to the full extent. Many Muslim countries often have aspects of Shariah within their legal systems, but none have a full Shariah legal system, consequently, none actually follow Islamic law properly.
In Islam the wife’s voice does matter, and a husband has duties and must fulfil her Islamic rights, if he doesn’t she had every right to divorce him- so yes, you are wrong.
And actually, it’s so funny how you accuse Islam of being misogynistic yet you fetishize women in hijabs and sexualize the hijab- when that’s highly disrespectful given women wear hijabs for the sake of God and modesty. That sounds like double standards to me.
@SpiderManFan2002 Islam culture I meant countries with an Islam government, a non-secular state in other words, these countries are located in the Middle East. First time I heard of this Shariah Law, and I do not have the sources of which country has that double standards I pointed out.
About my sexual fetish, I do not follow the Islam religion, so the reason one potential girlfriend of mine would even use one has nothing to do with Allah. But of course if she happens to follow this religion then I would not ask her to do something disrespectful for her own religion.
Well, Muslim majority countries also exist outside of the Middle East. Not everyone in or from a Muslim country is sexist, there’s sexist people everywhere in non-Muslim countries and in Muslim countries. Why is it that my hijab gets frowned upon and I get told I’m oppressed because I wear it for the sake of my Lord, but the same standard is not applied to say a woman who wears high heels for example? Many employers force their female employees to wear high heels because they’re more aesthetically pleasing than flats? If she doesn’t want to wear high heels, isn’t that oppression?
Anything can be oppressive if forced. But if somebody chooses to for whatever reason, then how is whatever they are choosing to wear or do oppressive?
@SpiderManFan2002 Yeah, you have a point, I agree with you.
I just gave you a general answer, it's not what I personally think (about the hijabs specifically, not the husband and wife nonsense), which is people associating them with misogynistic countries, but I am well aware that they do it for personal choice, and that's not oppression. My bad if I was unclear.
For SOME it's a personal choice. For others it's the LAW, and for others they are obligated because the radicals in those countries will harass them if they don't.
In countries like Turkey, Tunisia and Lebanon it's a choice. But in others, they wear it because they have been told they must.
So YOU are the ignorant one. Don't common on topics you know nothing about
Actually I think you’re the ignorant one here. The hijab is the law in Iran, which is wrong nobody should be forced to wear the hijab against their will, and a number of women are forced to wear the hijab by either their family members or peer pressure.
She’s not ignorant, she’s simply speaking for the women who choose to wear it because our stories hardly ever get told.
And in fact, France bans the wear of hijab in several ways. And as for the niqab there is not a single country that enforces it, yet there are 17 countries that ban the niqab, I find it interesting how you only tell one side of the story.
It’s oppressive to force somebody to wear something if they don’t want to, and it’s oppressive to force somebody to not wear something if they want to.
Absolutely right.
@SpiderManFan2002 I literally said for others it's the law, so how am I wrong?
France isn't a Muslim majority country. And if Iran can have a dress code, so can France.
Yes, 17 countries ban niqab, some of them Muslim.
@SpiderManFan2002 Also, France only enforces it in government institutions, but niqab is strictly enforced and rightfully so.
Morocco banned niqab for security reasons, and Turkey had banned headscarves in government institutions at one point.
So did Assad. That's what started the whole Syrian revolution.
So why did you only bring up France, when Muslim countries have banned it too?
@Anon I don’t care whether the countries are majority Muslim or not. If they ban the niqab and women want to wear it, it is oppression- end of.
Assad reversed a hijab ban proposed in Syria, so what would be the point in bringing up where the ban has been reversed?
I also love how you ignore the fact I condemned Iran a Muslim majority country for enforcing hijab upon women.
France was just one example, given they’ve made such a huge deal about it. But there’s also Tunisia that bans it, equally as wrong and oppressive.
And I don’t know why you’re trying to justify it being banned in France, by saying it was banned in Turkey and that the ban is in government institutions.
Just because a Muslim majority country bans the hijab doesn’t legitimize the ban of hijab in a non-Muslim country, because Muslim women are being prevented from practicing their religion, which is oppressive no matter where it is.
Secondly, why can’t a woman be free to wear the hijab in a government institution? It doesn’t matter if France isn’t a Muslim majority country they have a Muslim population that they are oppressing by preventing them from practicing their religion.
So, what you’re essentially saying is that oppression of women in Iran is essentially a “dress code” and the same goes for France? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
Women should have the choice to dress how they want to.
@SpiderManFan2002 Okay. I'm done. This is pointless. You're twisting my words and making assumptions.
I’m not twisting your words. If you mean something else, and I’m misinterpreting it then tell me- I’m just saying what it sounds like to me, but if that’s not what you mean- then please correct me.
Probably because so many people have heard and read about how mistreated women are in some Muslim countries. They associate hijabs with Muslims, making the mistake, thinking that all Muslim women are mistreated.
Because they have no understanding of the reason for wearing that clothing. There is substantial cultural and religious reasons for it. And there is nothing wrong with it. The women I know that where that is garments do so voluntarily and enjoy doing it.