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Because people are ignorant AF and love to act like they're experts on something that they're just judging by it's bad reputations, people just love to go by association, whether it's by race, gender, sexuality, etc.
Yeah, I get it, in some Islamic countries women don't get much rights and are forced to wear that and even the Niqab sometimes, but not everyone is.
My own family are Muslim and my sister and Mum wear it due to their own choice, no one is forcing them to do anything.
I get that some interpretations of religion view it as mandatory, but doesn't Christianity view sex before marriage as a sin and yet how many Christians does that stop - to what extent a person follows their own religion is their own choice and not all interpretations say the hijab is mandatory e. g. many Quranists don't and I went from a Sunni Muslim, to a Quranist, before leaving and becoming an agnostic, which I still currently am.
Whilst I do myself come from a Muslim family, I openly left the religion about half through 2017 and I'm pretty sure I'm not dead, I didn't get disowned and I still live with my family and they don't treat me any differently than anyone else.
Due to the above, people may think why did I leave Islam then - well if you want my explanation, I went all out in my answer over here:
What made you lose your faith?
Due to being raised a Muslim, I can definitely say that Islam does depend on how one interprets it, so not everyone believes in this violent BS, oppressing women, etc, at least not to the extent that some think and based on what I've read in the Quran (supposed to be the primary source of Islam), back when I were a Quranist, I found killing apostates to be against the Quran, stoning to death is only mentioned as something prophets were threatened with, fighting is only during wars, which only apply in self defense and the Quran tells you not to 'sit with such evil people, until they change the subject', as in people who commit blasphemy.
The Hadiths are the main issue TBH, I mean people tend to attack Muhammed when they think Islam is bad, as Muslims are supposed to follow his example and the Hadiths are where it tells you to stone adulterers to death, kill apostates, etc.
However, the Quran is supposed to be the primary source of TRADITIONAL Islam, whilst the Hadiths are the secondary sources, so I don't see how the secondary sources can contradict the primary source, at least in topics the Quran already covers, especially when not all the secondary sources are considered authentic, with some even contradicting each other, so if you reject the bad ones, deeming them to be unauthentic, then that's at least no where near as bad as the 'radical thugs'.
People can question whether or not the peaceful Muslims are following the religion properly, but don't forget, there's not different Muslim sects for nothing and everyone thinks they're right, with some traditional ones thinking, the none-traditional ones, aren't true believers, etc.
Omggg who is this beautiful woman on the first pic and 2nd pic? They blew my mind awaaaayyyyyy. I wanna propose xD!!! Those eyes literally kill me. Thats my type. Those eyes are my type.
To answer your question. I am a Muslim (fully believing and practicing, but i ain't nothing close to a saint just saying) and lived in United Arab Emirates, Syria, and a little bit in Lebanon and Jordan for a total of 18yrs. Most women will wear hijab as a choice. However, there are also a minority of them that did NOT choose to wear hijab. Some rather strict parents (usually the father) will habituate the baby daughter to wear Hijab at young age like 5 yr old or so. And so the daughter grows up having gotten used to wearing Hijab. Now... people are different and some will grow up and be religious in their heart and some will not. That being said, there will be a lot of non-religious Muslim girls who wear the Hijab just cause they got used to it and most importantly cause they fear taking it off because of what people will say (friends and people who know her will look badly at her if she decides to take it off and some people will scold her especially her parents). So. Especially here in Canada, I've seen a bunch of "Hijabi" girls who once they leave the house will take the Hijab off. And when they are about to return home will put it back ON. I also saw Hijabi girls who will literally drink and have SEX outside and they dont care that they are wearing Hijab (i was seeing a girl who was like that). And this whole thing disturbs me to many degrees. Non-religious girls should NOT wear Hijab if they are going to do bad things outside as they will give bad name and bad examples to what they "represent".
Anyway so yeah. Most girls are not forced. But some of them kinda are cause of strict parents doing it wrong.
Now most importantly... who is that woman? I wanna propose to her 🙃🙃
Even if a hijab has oppressive meaning, a woman still can wear it by choice although it depends on the country. I dont care if a person want to be oppressed by choice. My problem with it is that many muslim women in iran and other islamic countries are forced to wear it or many of them are pressured to wear it including me. Only lucky muslim women with modern/open minded family in western countries where their rights are protected can really choose. I know many muslim women who says that they wear by choice but as soon as they take it off they get so much hate by their muslim community. You can search any muslim girl's youtube video about taking hijab off and can see the dislike/like ratio and hate comments. By the way if you live in countries such as austria, germany etc you have to understand thst such countries ban nazi sympols, ultra nationalistic symbols of foreign countries, racist, sexist symbols etc. So if hijap has opressive sympol it may be banned in such countries but it would not make sense and it would be hypocritical to ban hijab in america since there is a unlimited freedom of speech and i dont know any symbols that is forbidden in america. I personally think kids should not be forced/pressured to follow any religion/political idealogy/life styles such as veganism etc.
I believe it's Kind of a requirement.
: Quran 24:31 And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.
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Most don't. I think everyone knows this is an issue of choice. In some Muslim societies, women are forced to wear the hijab. They are denied the right of deciding if they want to or not. In Western societies, the claim is made that forbidding the hijab is about freeing women. But it isn't. It is about control. They want control over what Muslim women can choose to do. Because again, Muslim women are denied the choice.
It reminds me of when Halle Berry played in Monster's Ball and did that graphic sex scene. Many in the "Black" community were upset that she would do that scene with Billy Bob Thornton, a "White" man. Halle Berry made the point, it was her body and her choice. That the struggle for "Black" women in America has always been about whether or not they could choose to be sexy, wear sexy clothes or not. "Black" women simply wanted the same choice that other women had. The choice over whom they choose to have sex with. That choice was taken away in slavery, Jim Crow, etc.
And she did the movie because she wanted to show herself and everyone else that she could choose.
But racism isn't all that deep.
I have zero problems with it, the most hassle Iāve seen about is within the Muslim community.
here in the UK itās very mixed, you will have
burkha
hijab (separating out scarf)
Hijab (with niqab)
I think even Chador
We also have shayla.
then you have the simple head scarf not quite a full Hijab but simple head scarf.
the vast majority of people do not care what others wear (I donāt like the burkha as I do see that as too controlling, but thatās me)
now the biggest group that comment on these codes are actually Muslims themselves, as depending on where they are from, personal history etc, they all have different views, which are valid as I am simply outside looking in.
Some Islamic countries are also more diverse and ācontrollingā.
for example Turkey and itās view on head scarves over last 100 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headscarf_rights_in_Turkey
https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/columns/turkish-politics-and-discussions-on-islamic-headscarf
So if you went back 10 years in Turkey, then yes women were oppressed for wearing head coverings as they could not hold civil positions, education, military etc.
perhaps, i would date a girl that wore a Hijab often.
i personally haven't met one as a friend type of way, where i live here in England.
i haven't met one that seemed interested in wanting to spend time with, who was attracted in me and who was interested in me romantically.
i would think she was a good person and a good Muslim girl if she wore a hijab.
i wouldn't judge her because she wore a Hijab.
She could be cute, haha.
''Do i Look at her clothes?'' can you explain that question? i don't mind what a girl wears as long as she is good and comfortable in wearing her clothes.
i don't approach girls.
i don't approach girls often because they seem busy, they seem not interested in wanting to talk to me in public, haha.
i seriously think young people Lose interests in others easily.
if i met a girl that was patience with me, where she enjoys being around me, if she told me, she enjoys being around me, that would be good thing and it could help me and the girl spend more time together.
time is a good way of getting to know someone.
many things would be better, having similar music taste, having a good understanding, communicating good between me and the girl. they would help things to be good.
Hey, Iām a Muslim girl who wears the hijab- so hopefully Iāll be able to give you and anyone reading this, an insight into the hijab. So Islamically is wearing the hijab a choice for women? It depends what you mean by āchoice.ā Choice could mean something that Islamically isnāt mandatory but itās good if you do, or āchoiceā could mean does she decide to wear the hijab herself or is she forced by another person to wear it? Wearing the hijab in Islam, is not optional- itās a religious obligation. As Muslims we have obligatory acts such as praying 5 times a day, not drinking alcohol, fasting in Ramadan, and much more, and then we have optional acts- these arenāt mandatory but itās good if a Muslim does them, like extra prayers after the obligatory prayers, fasting on Mondays and Thursdays, praying Tahajjud (the night prayer). And wearing the hijab is something that is an obligatory act, after a girl has hit puberty.
That said, is it okay Islamically to force a girl/woman to wear the hijab? No, it isnāt. One can advise someone to wear the hijab, but they cannot force her against her will. Yes, itās an obligatory act- but nobody should be forced to anything against their will. Because if one is forced, then she is not wearing the hijab for the right reason, the right reason being for the sake of Allah (God)- she is wearing it because she is forced, which is wrong. (Iāll cite you a source explaining this at the end).
Now, I wear the hijab. I started wearing it recently just before the start of Ramadan 2021, so almost for two months now. No family members pressured me into wearing it or anything like some might believe, in fact, I remember I didnāt even tell my dad I was going to start wearing the hijab I just put it on before I left the house for college that day, and he didnāt even say anything. I remember when I started secondary school my parents did advise me to wear it, but I said no because I didnāt feel comfortable. And even after I hit puberty, I didnāt understand that it was a religious obligation- I just thought it was optional, because I was ignorant about my own religion when I was younger. But last year I actually began to learn more about my religion and thatās when I discovered that the hijab was actually mandatory- but even then, I didnāt put it on straight away. Truthfully I was really insecure about the way I looked in it, I was also worried about what others might say, but I knew it was mandatory so even though I didnāt wear it right away, I accepted that while I wasnāt wearing it I was sinning, but I made the intention to wear it, and I did start dressing more modestly, then I remember I stopped wearing my hair down in public, then I started wearing my hair in a low bun, then I started wearing a hat- that was all like progress, little steps you could say to finally putting the hijab on, and then I put it on.
My initial plan was to just put it on once I started university because nobody would know me there, so I wouldnāt get asked any questions by anyone- that was another thing holding me back, I just didnāt want to deal with questions from my friends and acquaintances and stuff because religion is quite personal to me, so it would have been awkward. What pushed me to start wearing it sooner though was the fact that the French Senate wanted to ban wearing the hijab for girls under 18. Iām friends with a French girl who converted to Islam, and she has faced so much hardship with wearing the hijab, negative judgement from her family, her school- she has to wear a hoodie at school because wearing the hijab is not allowed at schools in France. I knew I was ready to start wearing the hijab, Iād gotten over the insecurities and other fears and stuff- but the one thing holding me back was āpeople are going to ask too much questionsā yet at that point I was just stalling. There was my friend in France struggling to wear the hijab because she is being oppressed by the French government, then you had me- who was just stalling, so I finally decided to stop taking my right to wear the hijab for granted, and the next time I left the house it would be with the hijab on.
Allah is why I wanted to start wearing the hijab, and why I wear the hijab today. But what acted as a catalyst for me putting the hijab on, was hearing the experiences of my friend in France, and I just didnāt want to take my right for granted anymore.
As for why people think Muslim hijabi girls are oppressed, is because of the media. They often push the narrative that the Muslim hijabi girl is oppressed, and what liberates her is taking off the hijab and conforming to Western culture. You see this in movies such as āHalaā and Netflixās āEliteā. Not to mention cases of forcing girls to wear the hijab and oppressing them by doing so do exist, but there are also many cases where women arenāt forced to wear the hijab- but unfortunately only one narrative gets pushed, and I donāt think that women who are forced should be silenced, their voices should be heard, but the problem is often itās only their voices that are heard- and that stigmatizes the rest of us, even girls who arenāt forced by anybody to wear it. I say we tell everybodyās stories, not just one.
And as for the source on forcing hijab I said I was going to cite here it is: www.dar-alifta.org/Foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=7272
And if you want to learn more about the hijab here are some videos I really recommend watching:
https://youtu.be/ikIjHa5yQKY
https://youtu.be/tyincrBwwK8
https://youtu.be/dV4rCx1qw8Y
Also sorry I wrote so much I just have so much to say on this topicš
@doopayo If you have any questions about hijab or Islam feel free to ask me either here or you can also message meāŗļø
Oh here are the other videos for some reason only one link pasted:
https://youtu.be/tyincrBwwK8
https://youtu.be/dV4rCx1qw8Y
Tagging to read later :)
@Still-alive Aha okay and Iāll also respond to your message later lol
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Because they don't know any Muslim woman in real life yet they love talking in our names and think we're children in need of a white knight to save us.
And no offense to white men and western men more generally but I feel like they like using "muslim men" as an example to deflect their own issues with their women. Like the "you say white man bad but look at Muslim men" trope. Whataboutism. Seriosuly pathetic.
It's frankly annoying. They should Stop speaking in our behalf 😒.
I could honestly be wrong about this but a friend told me the concept of wearing loose clothing and hijabs came after a lot of women were sexually assaulted at night when they went to do their business outside. Basically, by dressing the same, no one would be able to figure out who was a slave and who was a free women or a women of nobility making it equal for anyone to testify against the one that caused them harm.
Muslim women have always been granted opportunity to inherit wealth, seek education, find suitable mates, and own property LONG before modern age. Being oppressed and refused to do basic thing is a cultural practice rather than a religious one.
You are pretty much on point
Some are by choice mostly in western countries it is a choice thing. But in the east not so much. There it can be forced. Girls have legit been killed for no wearing them so...
Also the idea behind it is sexist ideology in the first place, even if a woman wants to wear one fair enough but the ideology of women only wear these and men don't is a double standard that is clearly sexist.
If i said my wife must wear I don't know a top hat silly example i know, otherwise she is immoral and not devoted to my god. But i don't have to cause men just don't have to wear top hats. According to my God. It's 100% a sexist thing. whether it's my belief or not. That very concept is sexist. No matter if the girl agree's.
Honestly we don't care anymore at this point, let them think whatever they want, hijab will always be a sign of modesty for girls, a command from God, and personally when I see a girl showing cleavage, forget about decency, I find that it is stupid that she is ok and willing to show any man her body like that, instead of treasuring it for her one and only man, and what about guys and their imagination when seeing girls wearing tight clothes.. True hijab DOES protect the girl from such thoughts of men around her. Men are not dumb, and let's not be dumb either. Let each gender do his job to protect society (from imdecency and immoralities, for example hijab discourage cheating), but also men are responsible to control themselves..
Its western culture clashing wirh middle eastern culture
Western culture encourages women to show off their hair. Women take their hair very seriously and want to show it off in western culture. So it's extremely strange to westerners to see someone choose to conceal their hair. We can't rationalize it. The only way we can rationalize it is "huh I guess someone made her wear it cuz we know she wants to show off her hairstyles"
When in middle eastern culture its a religious thing and hijabs are fashion statements the way hair is a fashion statement here. It's just two different perspectives that either side has trouble understanding.
Were you AWARE the custom of 'circumcision' was IMPOSED upon the ancient Hebrews to identify them as 'slaves'? Later, it was adopted not as a sign of animate 'chattel' but instead a mark of 'belonging' in the ritual of 'Bris'.
If your compelled by religious 'police' through censure and physical beatings to observe a custom of dress intended to not 'tempt' Muslim males to lusting thoughts (in many places in the world) THAT is NOT 'free will'.
Any more than the Hollywood's visual embellishment of Princess Leia's MANDATORY harem dress attire in the Court of Jabba the Hut was 'voluntary'.
IMAGINE THAT unseen discussion of the Princess's observance of 'voluntary' dress code!
HOW MANY burly 'handmaidens' did THAT clothing change require?~
Because it is. Religion is all man made nonsense. In the case of Islam, it was obviously a group of selfish and manipulative men that decided they didn't want anyone outside of their cult to see their womens beauty. How can you condemn peoples birthday suit? We came into the world naked and clothes are man made. How can anyone believe it's immoral to show your beauty? That belief stems from serious indoctrination. And they use fear to keep people from leaving the religion. Saying if you remove the hijab or burqa or whatever, you go to hell. In the east, many muslim communities have serious consquences for apostasy.
On that note, I can't believe that there are so many delusional people that are religious on the world.
Ignorance mostly. It's a matter of choice, and to wear religious attire in the face of prejudice can be an admirable act.
However, there is tendency for some to think that because most women in the middle east want to wear it, that somehow there's no political repression for Muslim women in the middle east. There definitely still is. If you ask a woman if she wants to wear it in Saudi Arabia, she will certainly say yes. But what about the women who choose not to, or would like to remove it? We must judge oppression by the desires of the minority, not the majority.
Because people fear what they donāt understand. Here in the UK itās mainly old white people who hate Muslims and want them gone. They make excuses, calling it threatening and scary. Sorry, werenāt you the same people educated by Nuns at school? Hmmm.
Exactly and some in the US think that hijabs are terrorist symbols? One time on google if you searched up hijab the first things that would come up is terrorist.
I feel like the smallest things turn Americans into xenophobes. For example with 9/11 and Muslims, Ebola and African Americans, and most recently now with the covid 19 and hate crimes against Asians. Itās a never ending disgusting cycle of hate
I canāt really speak for the US as an outsider but yep people will find any excuse to hate
It may be a personal choice but what is another reason why a muslim woman would wear a hijab other than the dogma?
It is also a personal choice to do anything what the religion tells you to because you're afraid to go to hell. Anyone can lie to others but they cannot lie to themselves.
It is also a personal choice to listen to the core of government just so that you can keep your job or so you wouldn't be demoted.
We can respect their decisions but what lies in their true motives to make such decisions is just something that manipulated them.
If you think they are oppressed so what? It would actually be nice if they just appreciate that we are actually concerned. Not everyone who believes their oppressed forces them to stop wearing hijab.
I watched a video from ages ago debating an EU law that allowed employers to prevent workers from carrying religious symbols including a hijab
one of the muslim women that was included (and did wear a hijab) she said that if her employer told her she couldnt wear it she'd quit
if they felt oppressed surely they would pounce at the opportunity to not wear it and be forgived by Alla (I think the god's name is, IM really sorry if I got it wrong or mixed it up I dont know too much about Islam) but they dont
I dont know why I said any of that it doesn't answer your question
people probably think they're oppressed because the religion is telling them to cover up when they might not want to
It just comes down to ignorance. And for those who are commenting "BuT In THe MIdDle eAST..." You do know that those governments are predominantly controlled by men who are sexist and extreme in their own right and are in fact committing an Islam sin by forcing women to wear a hijab right?
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It's not that people think the hijab is oppressive - compared to a burqa that's a laugh-till-you-think-your-sides-will-split joke - as more it represents their religion. Just as how wearing a cross in some areas or a kippah in other areas results in negative viewpoints.
Nothing more, nothing less. People who say a hijab is "oppressive" are idiots.
There was a time when it was true, people were forced to wear earlier whether they like it or not.
Women used to feel suffocated and didn't want to wear it.
In those days there was no choice if you rebel you would be beaten.
Now things have changed by Will or Law so it's a choice now
Probably because of what happens when they take them off.



"wearing hijabs is a personal choice for Muslim women"
For some, sure.
But for many it's not. It's not a 'choice' when you risk ostracisation or worse for refusing to obey. Islams reputation as a very authoritarian and cruel religion doesn't come from nowhere.
I don't think its the hijab, Its because in Islamic Countries its obvious that women are treated as lesser than men. I refer to cases were a married woman who was raped, and she received worst punishment than her attacker.
Now that's not exclusively to do with Islam, the Catholic Church doesn't allow women to be priests.
because it's NOT really a personal choice, it's something that has been forced upon you but you happen to like it or at least tolerate it. Choose to take it off and your parents/grandparents/imam/etc will be quite unhappy. Choose to remove it in certain countries and you'll DIE.
Probably because if you go to certain Muslim countries without a covering very bad things will happen to you. And it's very ironic the left wants to defend Islamists when they have more in common with the Christian right.
Because people who know nothing like to pretend to know everything.
And some like to shame people for having a different religion
See the thing is,
We are too ignorant to learn anything, all these comments are just showing their perception they got from movies and news.
Islam is beautiful religion. It gave you set of rules.
Hijab is one of them.
Hijab is mandatory in Islam but girls are not force to take hijab at least not in my country in average.
It is all about fashion industry, nothing to do with religion rather something to do culture.
But now is just a fashion on head.
Personally I know some female as soon they leave their location become liberal take off everything wearing shorts cropped tank top , mini skirt so on, drinking and dancing too.
Forgot all about the Burka and the stoning of women who get raped. Their Choice is much like someone choosing not to kill themselves one day. The Social consequences of not wearing a head covering is extremely dire. @doopayo Why do you bring up the same talking points white liberals bring up 5 years after the fact?
If you live in the west, then it is a choice, but believe it or not, many girls in the west are forced to wear it by their parents. In the middle east however, it is mandatory in many countries, and it historically wasn't a choice, you would have been jailed or executed for not wearing it in an islamic caliphate.
I have ZERO issues with it as long as it's their personal choice.. And you cannot deny this, there are countries out there, where it is simply not a choice, if she chooses not to follow the religious law she can be killed for it. Thankfully I think it's a small handfull countries..
Again if it is her choice I have zero issues with it.. I have a friend of mine that wears them.
MashAllah these girls are beautiful.
Wearing the hijab doesnāt make a woman oppressed. If she feels liberated naked she should feel liberated fully covered as well. Itās all about what the INDIVIDUAL wants to do.
There are certainly some that are being AT LEAST pressured by family if not completely forced. However, there are also those that do it completely out of free will. Itās best not to have preconceived assumptions about anyone though as that would be like judging a book by its cover.
Depends on which country we're talking about. In my country, religious women voluntarily wear hijabs. I have never met a woman who was forced into this by her family or husband but I know there are women who are forced to do this.
Because to those of us on the outside it looks like a rule imposed by strict religion or men, not the women themselves. Of course if they choose to then thereās nothing oppressive about it, but Iāve also heard others say they donāt want to but feel they must - that is obviously oppression.
For SOME it's a personal choice. For others it's the LAW, and for others they are obligated because the radicals in those countries will harass them if they don't.
In countries like Turkey, Tunisia and Lebanon it's a choice. But in others, they wear it because they have been told they must.
So YOU are the ignorant one. Don't common on topics you know nothing about
Actually I think youāre the ignorant one here. The hijab is the law in Iran, which is wrong nobody should be forced to wear the hijab against their will, and a number of women are forced to wear the hijab by either their family members or peer pressure.
Sheās not ignorant, sheās simply speaking for the women who choose to wear it because our stories hardly ever get told.
And in fact, France bans the wear of hijab in several ways. And as for the niqab there is not a single country that enforces it, yet there are 17 countries that ban the niqab, I find it interesting how you only tell one side of the story.
Itās oppressive to force somebody to wear something if they donāt want to, and itās oppressive to force somebody to not wear something if they want to.
@SpiderManFan2002 I literally said for others it's the law, so how am I wrong?
France isn't a Muslim majority country. And if Iran can have a dress code, so can France.
Yes, 17 countries ban niqab, some of them Muslim.
@SpiderManFan2002 Also, France only enforces it in government institutions, but niqab is strictly enforced and rightfully so.
Morocco banned niqab for security reasons, and Turkey had banned headscarves in government institutions at one point.
So did Assad. That's what started the whole Syrian revolution.
So why did you only bring up France, when Muslim countries have banned it too?
@Anon I donāt care whether the countries are majority Muslim or not. If they ban the niqab and women want to wear it, it is oppression- end of.
Assad reversed a hijab ban proposed in Syria, so what would be the point in bringing up where the ban has been reversed?
I also love how you ignore the fact I condemned Iran a Muslim majority country for enforcing hijab upon women.
France was just one example, given theyāve made such a huge deal about it. But thereās also Tunisia that bans it, equally as wrong and oppressive.
And I donāt know why youāre trying to justify it being banned in France, by saying it was banned in Turkey and that the ban is in government institutions.
Just because a Muslim majority country bans the hijab doesnāt legitimize the ban of hijab in a non-Muslim country, because Muslim women are being prevented from practicing their religion, which is oppressive no matter where it is.
Secondly, why canāt a woman be free to wear the hijab in a government institution? It doesnāt matter if France isnāt a Muslim majority country they have a Muslim population that they are oppressing by preventing them from practicing their religion.
So, what youāre essentially saying is that oppression of women in Iran is essentially a ādress codeā and the same goes for France? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
Women should have the choice to dress how they want to.
@SpiderManFan2002 Okay. I'm done. This is pointless. You're twisting my words and making assumptions.
Iām not twisting your words. If you mean something else, and Iām misinterpreting it then tell me- Iām just saying what it sounds like to me, but if thatās not what you mean- then please correct me.
Actually they wear it because of two reasons
First yes it's a signature that God points at in the Quran, and second it helps girls to hide the parts of their bodies that makes men and some other woman jealous and horny
They liken it to how a shell protects its pearls
Also people think like that because those women simply can't have sex with anyone other than their husband, they think this is upsetting but it's actually their choice
Because in some nations, it is legally required for women to wear a hijab (like Iran and Indonesia) and in many countries, there is unofficial pressure to do. So in many parts of the world, it actually isn't a personal choice, and there are serious negative consequences for not wearing one.
I don't think the Hijab itself is oppression. Afghanistan under the Taliban was extreme where they forced women to wear burkas. That being said, many of these women don't really have a "choice" in the matter. There are legal punishments in some countries for women who refuse to wear it, and they also face reprisal from other fundamentalist Muslims (or family members) who consider it mandatory for women to wear it.
I find these hijabs so hot, I would buy them for my girlfriend (if I had one) and fuck her with them on.
Aham, back to the question, it's because these hijabs are associated with Islam culture, which is pretty known to be a misogynist society, I mean come on, in one of those countries out there the woman has to ask for their husband's permission to do anything, while the opposite is not valid, and that's just wrong double standards, am I wrong?
Islam is not a culture or society, itās a religion. Which country is that? And even if there is a country that enforces such laws- there is not country on the planet that enforces Shariah Law, to the full extent. Many Muslim countries often have aspects of Shariah within their legal systems, but none have a full Shariah legal system, consequently, none actually follow Islamic law properly.
In Islam the wifeās voice does matter, and a husband has duties and must fulfil her Islamic rights, if he doesnāt she had every right to divorce him- so yes, you are wrong.
And actually, itās so funny how you accuse Islam of being misogynistic yet you fetishize women in hijabs and sexualize the hijab- when thatās highly disrespectful given women wear hijabs for the sake of God and modesty. That sounds like double standards to me.
@SpiderManFan2002 Islam culture I meant countries with an Islam government, a non-secular state in other words, these countries are located in the Middle East. First time I heard of this Shariah Law, and I do not have the sources of which country has that double standards I pointed out.
About my sexual fetish, I do not follow the Islam religion, so the reason one potential girlfriend of mine would even use one has nothing to do with Allah. But of course if she happens to follow this religion then I would not ask her to do something disrespectful for her own religion.
Well, Muslim majority countries also exist outside of the Middle East. Not everyone in or from a Muslim country is sexist, thereās sexist people everywhere in non-Muslim countries and in Muslim countries. Why is it that my hijab gets frowned upon and I get told Iām oppressed because I wear it for the sake of my Lord, but the same standard is not applied to say a woman who wears high heels for example? Many employers force their female employees to wear high heels because theyāre more aesthetically pleasing than flats? If she doesnāt want to wear high heels, isnāt that oppression?
Anything can be oppressive if forced. But if somebody chooses to for whatever reason, then how is whatever they are choosing to wear or do oppressive?
@SpiderManFan2002 Yeah, you have a point, I agree with you.
I just gave you a general answer, it's not what I personally think (about the hijabs specifically, not the husband and wife nonsense), which is people associating them with misogynistic countries, but I am well aware that they do it for personal choice, and that's not oppression. My bad if I was unclear.
Probably because so many people have heard and read about how mistreated women are in some Muslim countries. They associate hijabs with Muslims, making the mistake, thinking that all Muslim women are mistreated.
Because they have no understanding of the reason for wearing that clothing. There is substantial cultural and religious reasons for it. And there is nothing wrong with it. The women I know that where that is garments do so voluntarily and enjoy doing it.
Some of us can recognize propaganda when we read it. Just a few years ago, girls were beaten and driven back into a burning school in the Middle East because they had tried to escape the burning building without wearing abayas. Therefore, claiming that the Muslim garb is a "personal choice" is obviously propaganda.
According to Islam, women have to cover their whole body when they go out from home, so that men cannot see their bodies and think about sex with them but instead of covering whole body, Muslim women had a mended it and use only Hijab. You see Arab and Iranian, and Afghani women in Burqa
I don't think so at all, however, many families DO enforce hijab on their daughters even if it's supposed to be a personal choice. It's not the religion's fault, it's the culture people live in
that first girl is so dark. i don't know how she got light skinned in that picture?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLDU9DtAykq/
So you are. It even muslim and are asking this. I am curious as to why.
I donāt care if women chose to cover their heads. Thatās their rights in their country. But when you leave your country because you want to better your self or your family then why continue. My issue is when people come to a country and then try to make that country like their own. No no doesnāt work that way
If they are forced to by the theocratic laws of their country then yes I would say that they are being oppressed but not if they do so of their own accord.
I don't. I actually think I would ask every single one of those girls out. Plus, religion is a choice.
No literally hijabis are so cuteš„ŗ
@Chrissydamusicgirl So were the little Stars the Jews wore in the 1930's.
Hajab for Muslim women is not choice but is order from Allah, in Quran it is clearly mentioned, order from Allah to Prophet Muhammad (Swlm) :O Muhammad! tell you women to hide their bodies when they go out, so that evil eyes don't chase them:in pictures, the face is open which is not allowed. MAY ALLAH GUIDE ALL MUSLIMS
"wearing hijabs is a personal choice for Muslim women"
It's not a personal choice in all Muslim countries. In some of them it is compulsory.
And that's why many people believe it is oppressive.
I personally see it as powerful when it's worn by choice. However, if it's forced? That's when it becomes a symbol of control.
Fully agreed
Hijab is a religion order... Not a man order.
Even if a man told his wife or any woman to remove it , she shouldn't obey him. Thats why muslim women still wear it even in the west...
Usually Western people, you mean.
They tend to think only we have the "right" freedoms and the other hemisphere is "wrong".
Well it shows you think your race and religion is supreme to western culture.
Its a choice in western countries but not in third countries and many islam based countries just look at how oppressed women are there lol, even in saudi arabia which is a developed one.
Please don't speak on our behalf, we're not children.
Kindly , a muslim woman.
I didn't really know they do that's too bad to even think that I can tell you this that girl is absolutely beautiful absolutely happy
Blame it on the stupid media creating great images in some sheeps minds and stupid people that canāt respect other religions and beliefs and keep hating on it like idiots just like that just because media said so.😂
I think the things that gives many that impression is that in some Muslim societies, women don't habe three option to remove it. Wearing it isn't oppressive if it's voluntary, but it isn't always voluntary.
Auto correct jacked that up pretty good lol
I feel like it's mostly Christians who think this. They obviously haven't read their own bible as it also tells women to wear a head covering.
@Aimée__LJ exactly and if people actually travelled, they would find this to be the case in some Christian & Jewish communities.
A lot is more historical than simply religious
Uhmmm are you aware of how many muslim women have gotten beaten and threatened for choosing not to wear it? In some places IT IS even official law
But that's because you have religious extremists and sexist men controlling the government of those countries. I mean, if you did a bit more research before commenting, you'd know that in it self is forbidden in the Islamic religion.
@Commander_Red Well that doesnāt take away from what is fact.
Been a Muslim woman for 25+ years, lived in 2 muslim countries, never seen that. Which means it's not the standard.
Not any more than white men killing their wives and murdering their girlfriends.
So stop speaking in our name, thanks.
@NorthAfrican Wowwwwww youāve lived in only two other countries! You definitely speak for all muslim women.
Yet you, a white non muslim man , can speak in our namešš¤ are you hearing yourself dude.
@NorthAfrican That doesnāt mean Iām not in a position to learn about and study the culture
You're still less legitimate to talk about it as if it's your lived experience.
Which fact though? Because the question is why do you think Muslim women who wear hijab are oppressed, majority of Muslims don't actually live in those countries that you're thinking of. The largest Muslim population is actually in Asia. Women who live under terrorist or extremist tyranny, sure, but majority of the Muslim women population live rather normal lives. Right now in China, the president is putting Muslims in basically concentration camps but no one is talking about whether or no China is oppressive or not because China isn't a Muslim country š
Also, sorry, but you're also trying to discuss against two women, one who spent a long time with the Muslim community and an actual Muslim who's travelled outside her own country and has life experience in two actually Muslim governed countries, and you apparently think your "fact" is somehow more valid. You DO have the right to study and learn the culture, but that actually involves listening to people to who have actual experience with it.
@Commander_Red And you think I havenāt done all that to? Iāve come to my own conclusions
Many Muslim women are oppressed. Not every woman who wears a hijab is forced to wear it, though I do find myself wondering why that is.
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