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Raised Catholic and believe in God and his teachings, but I don't let everything the church teaches shape my opinion of others. I keep them in mind, but I do everything in my power to be civil and not discriminate against anybody. If they have views that go against the church and the teachings, I don't hate them and I don't try to change their minds and act like a fanatical zealot to those who oppose my beliefs.
I feel that what the church teaches with the bible should be used as a foundation of morality and guiding compass to those it reaches. You have free will to act as you do and accept responsibility to pay for sinful actions and behavior in the end.
So let's use examples here. Gay marriage and abortion. I have no issues with gay marriage despite the sanctity of marriage being between man and woman being taught. I hate abortion and don't feel children should pay the price because of something they had no control over, however, I can make certain exceptions to it be it that the child is one of rape or incest or being a direct threat to the mother while carrying it. In my extreme view I see abortion as murder and convenience for most people because a child is an inconvenience to them and their lifestyle, but does that make them terrible people? No. They just made a decision I personally didn't like and disagreed with. Which is not a good measure to one's whole character. It is a begrudging thing I have to deal with because it is a choice.
However, the best way to keep myself grounded is to have the agree to disagree mindset if differences arise. Something a lot of people can't seem to do because it seems everyone is focused on winning an argument or determined to demean or hurt the other. Not worth the energy or time at the end of the day. No one will agree on everything because we are human and this falls back to free will and choice.10
I feel like a true Christian would treat people kindly whether or not they agree with that person’s beliefs or lack thereof.
The concept of “discrimination” complicates things though because it implies that all things should be accepted.
If something is spoken against in the bible and a Christian follows the words of the bible, then there will be things that people do, which the Christian doesn’t agree with, approve of, or accept.
Whether that’s considered to be discrimination or not is up to interpretation. It really depends on how “discrimination” is being defined.31
As a religious person, especially one of an Abrahamic religion, they generally believe that God is the judge, jury and executioner, plus there’s more emphasis on caring for people than judging and hurting them (I’m assuming, I’ve never read the bible or any religious book but it’s a fair enough assumption that religion is something nice) - there’s just no point in discrimination, even if the bible says that only Christians will get to heaven or encourages evangelism, because every religion believes themselves to be the right one anyways11
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Eh don't agree nor disagree. Religion to me is something that was created with a solo purpose to discriminate anyone that did not line up with such views, therefore a person truly following a religion would do so.
In the bible the Judaic God himself discriminates against anyone who does not worship him to points of pure dictatorship. Which then one would say well yeah he created us all so he can dictate our lives how he see's fit which I just say yeah sure lol.
But for the argument sake of how one may want to join a religion because they thinks it spreads peace which is funny but alas some think it. Then yes there religious ways should stick to that to truly be correct to what they want to follow. Therefore a true religious person if they see that as "morally good" should lack in discrimination if wanting to be a good person.
Also No-True-Scotsman Fallacy it's funny how many people use this wrong. They don't see how something can be both correct but a generalisation, compared to Scotsman which is purely just in the wrong.
It's like you could say a real bear will attack a human in the wild. Now there is reasoning for it won't but one is not gonna sit there and go that's a Fallacy because it's a generalisation or rule that is kinda true it's pointless to argue ageist it.
How this one relates to religion and saying No true Christian. I think I will just let other's try figure that one out, I could say but honestly it would be one big long winded answer and this already all is. Safe to say a lot of people are using this Fallacy wrong tho.10
Nobody has the right to define somebody else's faith or what's in their heart. We can use discernment, but we cannot be partial or discriminate. Only god is the judge of that. Also- If a Christian discriminates, then that doesn't mean he/she isn't true to his/her faith. It means that they are struggling with sin. All Christians do. I can be quite arrogant at times. I watch porn at times. That doesn't mean I'm not a true christian. It means I'm struggling, and trying to be better.
Romans 7:14-17 Describes this struggle well...
So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin. I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
Romans 2:1-2 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.10
That's a good question. My first instinct is to agree, but reading some of the other responses I'd have to say it depends what you mean by a "true Christian." And also how you intend to use the word "discriminate".
"Definition of discriminate
1a: to mark or perceive the distinguishing or peculiar features of
Depth perception may be defined as the ability to appreciate or discriminate the third dimension …
— H. G. Armstrong
b: DISTINGUISH, DIFFERENTIATE
discriminate hundreds of colors
2: to distinguish by discerning or exposing differences : to recognize or identify as separate and distinct
discriminate right from wrong
especially : to distinguish from another like object
discriminate the individual voices in the choir
1a: to make a distinction
discriminate among historical sources
discriminates between literary fiction and popular fiction
b: to use good judgment
2: to make a difference in treatment or favor on a basis other than individual merit
discriminate in favor of your friends
discriminate against a certain nationality"
- courtesy of Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discriminate22
As a Christian I disagree. We discriminate in who we date and marry as per the scriptures. However it doesn't say we can't be courteous to our fellow man. But there are verses that say you can't be married to someone who is not also Christian for instance. It says to not take a promiscuous person as your spouse as well. It also says no same sex relations. by the way lets not confuse this into meaning you are called to hate gay people because thats not the case. Simply not partaking in homosexual sex, etc. It is also in scripture that life starts at conception so abortion is off the table. Therefore we are also barred from dating people who are pro choice. Common misconceptions are that you cannot marry outside your race but this is not true at all and never mentioned in the bible. Its all about the person's faith and belief.41
Yep miss cherry i agree and i already answered her question and made lots of comments there...
A true christian would no discriminate others but still have his/her opinion without hurting the others...
If jesus gaves us the freedom of choice than who are we to judge and discriminate others but we are humans and we aren't perfect, sometimes we make mistakes and we repent and we always try our best to become better people...
It's not only about christians cause people from all religions and cults makes mistakes and might become discriminative, so it's all up to us and the way we think and act towards the others!13
I think people have problems distinguishing between being a Christian and being Christ-Like.
A Christian is a person who has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Being Christ-Like is emulating the life of Christ. Jesus forgave the people who beat Him with a whip. He forgave those who made Him wear a crown of thorns and pelted Him with stones and rocks. He forgave those who nailed Him to the cross and tortured Him for hours.
It is hard to follow the path of Christ. And while we all know what Christ would do in the face of discrimination, I think it is wrong to talk about being a true Christian beyond being a Believer. Too many of us, including myself, make the wrong decision. But we are still Christians.10
Well I would think that you would be right but that's not the case anymore it doesn't matter which denomination that you're under it seems like those people do it the worst and they were Hypocrites when they do it because a lot of them do bad things in their private life and go to church for one reason and one reason only and that is to get forgiveness for what they do each and every day or week in their private life it seems like more and more church people are becoming hypocrites and it's really sad thing to witness.
I let people be who they want to be as long as it's not hurting anybody that I know or myself they are who they are and I just look at them as if they don't know any better or maybe they do but they're trying to fool everybody I just let them stay the fool they are10
Even though we disagree with somethings in society, it doesn’t give us a right to treat people badly or harshly.
Mark 12:31 says…
“The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.”
John 15:12 says something similar..
“My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.”
No matter how different someone is, we should not discriminate (colour, race etc.) We are should show people the love Jesus showed. 💜💜💜20
I guess. It depends on what you mean.
It is too vague.
They should love all people.
It would probably fall under what people mean by "discriminate" and all of the endless scenarios someone may say that is "discrimination".
It says for believers to "not be unequally yoked with unbelievers" basically... do not marry an unbeliever. The couple should be "united" and "one" and they should be teaching their kids the same thing... not differing at a core level and teaching their kids opposing views.
Someone may say that is "discrimination"
Overall I'd agree with your statement.10
Being a Christian does not make a person perfect, and ALL Christians are flawed human beings. It seems to be quite popular to laugh at Christians because they sometime fail in large and obvious ways, but real Christians are not better, nor do they pretend to be better, than anyone else.
My church is filled with sinners, including the guy in the pulpit.51
That's a No-True-Scotsman Fallacy.
The defining characteristic of a 'christian' is that they accept the claim that christianity is true. What parts specifically they obey, ignore or deny are irrelevant. You or a christian who you happen to not like, are no more of an authority on which of you is a christian than the other one. You can't just change the definition of 'christian' to suit you.
Plus, I would argue that discriminating christians are following the bible better than those who do not. The bible is not a tolerant book.26
A true Christian MUST discriminate against people. Numerous examples exist where it states you must treat people different depending on whether they are Christian or not.
1. Only marry a fellow Christian. Meaning being discriminating in your romantic relationships.
2. Christ has come to bring the sword amongst family. So you should discriminate even your own family if they are wicked.
Just two examples but there's a lot of explicit verses about how we are to judge other people which leaves us to discriminate against certain people at certain times.
This is a good article about it as well: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.christianpost.com/amp/5-ways-christians-should-judge-others.html38
Many confuse discrimination with separating ourselves from the world. We are instructed to love others as God loved us, by sending Jesus to die for our sins. We also are instructed to hate the things that God hates and are made clear in the pages of the scriptures. So the way some live life and the actions they take are to be avoided, but we love everyone because it is not the person we hate, and God wishes all to be saved. This is why Jesus said to go forth and teach others. Our lives depend on it.10
As an Ex-Christian/Former Christian... whatever. I completely agree. This is one of the reasons I am no longer Christian. The bible states many times that you should act as such, but the followers act completely opposite. (The ones I've come across.) Didn't make sense to me, so it gave me another reason out of hundreds to convert to omnism.23
No. The ideal Christian wouldn't discriminate but we can see in the scripture examples of very holy men, prophets who were prejudiced. God tried to change their view but the fact they were that way didn't make them not be the other stuff.24
Though I agree I'd argue that a Christian should meet everybody with love he can still disagree with other people on certain topics.
Just because I'm a Christian I don't need to love any lifestyle on this planet.
For me tolerating that other people have a different mindset and a different way of living doesn't that I have to support that.
For me there's no contradiction in meeting with love besides that.24
There are many people calling themselves Christians who discriminate.
And when religious people turn to us to alter our perceptions instead of turning to those who discriminate to alter their behavior it shows a complete lack of faith in the effectiveness of their faith - as though they are fully aware there's no reason anyone should actually be taking all of this seriously and are further fully aware that their religion's authenticity relies entirely on the perception of authenticity.10
i completely disagree with this statement.
as a true Christian, you would be against same sex marriage, homosexual acts, other religions (only Christians go to haven so how discriminatory is that?), you are taught that there is only one god and all the others are wrong? etc etc etc.
to be honest i do find it a bit wrong. its one thing to say follow me, but another to say if you dont you will go to hell. what about all the good people in other religions?10
I have never meet a religious person that hasn't discriminated people. It's in their blood. We are better then them, we believe the right thing, they are sinners, the Bible is full of judgements and whoever that doesn't follow that alignment is looked down on. How is that not discrimination?10
I agree, but... Christians are the same as other people - sinners, and therefore, imperfect. The difference is we've accepted the forgiveness of Jesus.
There are a LOT of Christians who may show signs of discrimination, and MANY other sinful habits, regardless of their race. In general, though, you're correct. Christians, for the most part, won't discriminate.10
Define discriminate please.
Scripture is replete with warnings about false prophets and to examine those claiming to be of God.
““Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.”
Matthew 7:6 ESV
Here scripture tells us not to discuss the Holy things of God with unbelievers. Notice Jesus calls them pigs.
““Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.”
Matthew 7:15-20 ESV
In the above Jesus warns about false prophets.
“Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”
Matthew 3:8-10 ESV
Here John the Baptist preaches about repentance and stats that all trees that don’t bear good fruit are cast into the fire, trees being a metaphor for people and fire a metaphor for hell.
What do these have in common? Discrimination. We are called to inspect fruit (evidence that one is born again). How can one do so without discriminating at a some point?
Now is the time to cry out to the Lord and repent and believe in him as your savior and obey him as your Lord and repent of your sins: for those reading this who have not done so and desire the forgiveness of their sins and eternal life.