What traits do you think are common with Christians?

[jennifer_bloom]

I would say generosity is common among Christians. I’ve never met a person who believed in heaven and hell who was stingy. Even guys who don’t have money for food will donate to charity and refuse charity from friends when they believe in God.

[PositiveNote]

The same traits as most other people... Only difference is that the true Christian does it out of love for one another.

[najekim]

Belief in the supernatural.

[Loveisgirthy]

I've not met many like that honestly. I've mostly seen the negative types. And grew up with the ones who wrap their whole life around what they believe God wants them doing. I've met plenty who seem more insane about God than a balanced mind, body, soul and spirit. I've been around some who are extremely controlling and I still worry about him and his wife at home. And these types I see most often. But the few who do seem to have a good head on their shoulders are great and caring people. They've helped pay for my drink just cuz I left my wallet at home and that kind of thing. But like I've also been surprised to find out that same type of person was an atheist. Christianity and it's idea of family law can build great character but that character can be found in anyone who chooses to have that character. But for the most common trait of all I'd say is a lack of emotional understanding of themselves and others honestly. And at the root of the church that is what I feel is breaking it. There is a spiritual reality and then what is in front of you and what you are feeling. I don't believe you are to only give it to God, but to learn and grow with it. Both realities need the same nurturing and efforts as is in a marriage for the people in the church.

[Crafteroon]

Being a Christian. That's about it.

Now, people who call themselves Christians like to be in groups where they know everyone else (who also happen to be Christians). They like to appear as kind and generous to pump up their own status and agenda. They are intolerant of anyone voicing an opinion that is different than their own, and will ostracize such people.

This is true in all belief groups that places importance to their own belief, and will taint the reputation of those that are truly generous and kind, the people who do it without expecting acknowledgement.

[ManOnFire]

I am a Christian and I have to disagree with that. A lot of Christians, especially evangelical are stingy and don't believe in helping the poor, rather they judge them. The evangelical community is the worst Christian group in the world in my opinion. They absolutely disgust me.

[KostasKouvalis]

Generosity I can give you, but a lot of the Christians I met were very hypocritical. They would lie, cheat or use their religion to get weekends off at work, even if they haven't attended mass in years.

I also noticed that a lot of them thing God is in control of their lives and even the bad stuff that happens is God's will. They think you're a bad person if you don't think like them, and a lot of them are so stupid and genuinely believe the earth is only 6000 years. There was one at my work who claimed to be a microbiologist and believed that Noah had dinosaurs on his ark.

They showed one on TV who was raised Polish Catholic and said he was raised not to believe in ghosts. Yet, he was taught to believe in heaven. I'm Polish Catholic too and there's nothing taboo about ghosts.
These people are so fucking stupid. They can't even agree on the correct interpretation, and just blindly believe whatever the Church tells them, no matter how illogical it is.

[normalice]

I've never seen a Christian that wasn't stingy, myself. Indeed I've been ostracized by most of the Christians I know for suggesting tax money be used to help the poor. Seemed like the obvious solution to most of the problems a benevolent and loving Christian would have with the world, but there are almost no christians that agree in real life.

[Ryfyle]

Oh yes, Helping the "poor". Nothing helps the "poor" like stuffing a government contractors bank account with tax dollars.

[normalice]

Exactly. That's what Christians almost unanimously seem to prefer to do instead of things like taxes to nonprofit hospitals or a universal basic income.

[Ryfyle]

@normalice How the fuck do you live this long while being this Naive?

[normalice]

Dafuq. Thought we were in agreement? You actually want the bank accounts of government contractors stuffed with our tax dollars?🤡

[Ryfyle]

Considering that most non-profits are merely cash sinks and a significant sum of tax money already goes to social services, the real problem is the decadence of society as a whole. We need fire in the skies and blood in the streets.

[On_cloud_wine]

@Ryfyle Aw you two met.. ❤️

[normalice]

@Ryfyle We need neither of those things. That is monkey talk to give up on civility and resort to hitting things until they do what you want. Is it necissary to defend oneself? Sure. But to claim to "need" violence makes you the aggressor, at best looking for anything that would serve as a situation where you can claim you "feared for your life." This is the mentality of someone who has been lied to on an embarrassing scale.

The fact is most people can be trusted to some extent. Indeed, those who are the least trustworthy usually turn out to be the ones who convince others not to trust anyone else, who apparently seem to have gotten all of their hooks in you. Decadence isn't a problem, really, as it usually ends up self-correcting the overly self indulgent by consigning their bloodline to wither from addiction, diabetes, and other symptoms of self indulgence. But its the whole point of civilization to work together to make things easier for all of is such that we can face more interesting challenges. If you prefer to hunt for your meals over being able to push a button and have one brought to you, there are caves all over the world no one check. You could live your whole life there and none of the decadence would ever reach you. But, enjoy one thing in civilization - walk on a single sidewalk to feel the decadence of a smooth pathway - and you have not lived up to the standard you want to cause violence over others not living up to. Which means someone is lying to you and you should be mad at them.

[Ryfyle]

Way to miss the point entirely. How long have you been stuck in this 90's thinking? Things aren't going to get miraculously better. Things are going to get way fucking worse and the bodies are going to start stacking.

[normalice]

So get to it. Stop whining and start your little revolution already. Or grow up and realize life is more complicated than "that's 90s thinking!" No one said anything about a miracle, except you. I fully acknowledge it will take work - just as mass murder would - but it is slow constructive work intead of that instant gratification shit our right wing media has brainwashed millions into expecting.

[Ryfyle]

So you miss construe a perspective so you can live in your fairy tale wonderland, then get so asshurt you bring up the specter of early 2000's fox news. Go back to watching your dvd box set of Friends, it will hurt less for your 90's sensibilities.

[normalice]

I am no longer convinced we are both having the same conversation 🙃

[Ryfyle]

Wow, you do still live in the 90's. The real world is far more complicated than a rerun of Friends would have you believe. A simple time where a simple populace could be mesmerized by President that plays the saxophone. Simple people that forgot that he signed a bunch of bills that gutted domestic production (NAFTA) and unraveled banking regulations leading to the recession of 2008. Gullible and Naive, just like the Christian sheep.

[Ryfyle]

No, we are having the same discussion. Your under the delusion that society is worth salvaging, that their is good worth saving. The reality is that Violence is the only answer and human lives are cheap. The people that tell you that "Violence isn't the answer" are the ones with a monopoly on violence. The price of change is the small sum of a few million lives.

[normalice]

I'm the one who informed you the world is more complicated than "anyone who says I can't murder people is living in the 90s." Times were never simple - not even in the 90s. I don't know why you're so desperate to put everyone who disagrees with your whiny bloodlust as "90s durrrrr" box, but I'm sure it's some obscure right-wing infotainment that's ultimately responsible. That "kill everyone who disagrees with me until I feel better" mentality is also a 90s mentality - except the 1590s.

The idea that "cooperation doesn't work if I refuse to cooperate" isn't new. You're not original or enlightened. You're just part of the problem. The more desperate you are for instant magical solutions to problems you don't even try to understand beyond a few narratives that make you feel validated, the more susceptible you are to violence. That's just always been the case. The "it's okay to kill them because they are savages who can't be reasoned with" thing has been the narrative behind every battle for millions of years. It is this specific wrong assumption that civilizations seeks to correct. No one is suggesting some "everyone hold hands and sing" solution, like the far right fake news tells people we seek. It's simply a task of teaching. I think my generation is probably a lost cause. Yours too, if you're any indication. But all it takes is a critical mass to acknowledge that no contribution is insignificant and then we start moving in the right direction as a species. It's just that no one is going to acknowledge that without being taught it.

In any case, it seems to me your frustration with decadence isn't because of people getting what they want. Instead it's because on some level you realize that decadence is a symptom of nonviolent solutions to the problems you complain about actually coming to fruition, and you staked too much of how you value yourself on your eagerness for a violent solution. No one likes being obsolete but everyone becomes so.

[Ryfyle]

Fucking shit out a mediocre essay, deny historical precedent, and miss the point all in one go.
The real problem with decadence is that it stems from apathy, greed, hedonism, and stagnation. Your fetish for labeling anything you don't like as "Right Wing" blinds you to any other perspectives.

[normalice]

I don't label "anything I don't like" as right wing. I label the anti-civilization brainwashing of people who are not, in fact, living in the wild as right wing. Such fakeness fits that box too perfectly to question Occam's razor just to protect your feelings. We could explore the possibility that your unreasoning and conclusions precisely mirror far right misinformation's unreasoning and conclusions for some reason other than because far right misinformation is leaking out of every pore the media has to offer, but what's the point? I'm not going to abruptly get you to understand the value of society just by understanding some other mechanism that tricked you into turning against it.

[Ryfyle]

There you go again with your sexual fixation on labeling things "Right Wing". And where have I said anything anti-civilization? Do you even have a definition of "Right Wing" Other than shit you don't like? Is sudden rain while your at the park "Right Wing", a messed up pizza order a "Right Wing conspiracy"? Does Fox news make spooky right wing noises in your house at night?

[normalice]

I just gave you my definition of right wing. If you're not even going to try to understand what I'm saying this is a one way conversation.

And violence is anti-civilization. The entire point of civilization is to minimize violence. Your thirst for it is thus anti civilization.

[Ryfyle]

"I just gave you my definition of right wing. If you're not even going to try to understand what I'm saying this is a one way conversation."
Your definition was everything you dislike.

"And violence is anti-civilization. The entire point of civilization is to minimize violence. Your thirst for it is thus anti civilization. "
What is War for tree fiddy, Alex?
Stick to watching sitcoms and crying into your Ovaltine.

[Ryfyle]

@normalice You have still to actually define what "Right Wing" is.

[normalice]

I gave you my definition. To summarize, right wing is anyone who earnestly claims to have given up on civilization but has not, themselves, moved to a cave or whatever. There are other parts of the elephant but this is the part relevant to this discussion.

And war is uncivilized. If you're trying to claim it is noble or something, no. It is always just some rich guy wanting more money and whipping paranoid or gullible poor people up into a frenzy to bully someone else into giving it to them. There is nobility in defending oneself, sure, but that's rarely what happens in a war.

[Ryfyle]

What does right mean?

"The word right, in contrast, refers to people or groups that have conservative views. That generally means they are disposed to preserving existing conditions and institutions. Or, they want to restore traditional ones and limit change."
https://www.dictionary.com/e/leftright/

You just maxxed out on the Dunning Kruger scale. You are the special sort of moron that has equated Anarcho-primitivism with the right. You would be laughed out of any Political science class. Your pretty boy pass ends at making up your own nonsensical definitions. Words have distinct meaning and definition.

[normalice]

You asked if I have a definition of right wing. Why ask if you meant the dictionary definition that you could look up for yourself? I assumed you were asking my personal definition.

Indeed, I would even question the dictionary definition, as it has become outdated, or at least incomplete. Establishment conservatives are happy to label far right hate groups, like the proud boys and the three percenters, as far right. But "far" is just a distance. The right of center and the far right are both aiming in that same direction.

Now, the trillion dollar question is why does moderate Republican policy fall in the same direction as the goals of groups who want to bring a violent end to civilization? The answer is sadly too simple for anyone to believe: because no one wants the moderate goals of republicans so they have to lie. And once those in power have resolved to telling lies, that's a direction; the distance covered should no longer be the thing that surprises anyone. Yet it consistently does because no one want to believe the direction. And the ultimate lie in civilization is the lie that civilization can't work, so of course once the right decided to depend on lies, at all, it was inevitable that the right would get to ending civilization evetually, and so it has.

[Ryfyle]

Like a Straight up summed up your time sink of a response with Anarcho-Primativism, which is an inherently left wing position. You don't know what your talking about and you make that clearly obvious, and You have provided no sources to back up your claims. This is basic High School shit.

[normalice]

No, I don't know what >you're< talking about. You only just now started asking for sources but didn't state what information you require references for. Your responses have been meandering and, frankly, ooze of a paranoid and angry person who has been tricked into believing the solution is to just kill everyone that is too complicated to fit in a 2d box until the world makes sense again. I don't even know what you're disagreeing with let alone what your disagreement is. I get the impression even you don't understand why you're so mad and scared, but under no circumstances will allow allow anyone to suggest that the hyperaddictive far right misinformation you fill your head with has anything to do with it, as per the nature of addiction. Forget high school, this has been like talking to a full grown adult that demands the world treat him like a genius toddler. We'd all like a reset on our time on this earth. But that's just not reality.

[Ryfyle]

One block of text to deflect why you can't prove you claims that anything right of CNN is anti-civilization. You can't do that.

[normalice]

I didn't make that claim. Indeed, I didn't even mention CNN.

But I can put a few line breaks in the text if it helps.

[Ryfyle]

Nah, you did.

[normalice]

I don't see any line breaks, but if you say so.

[Ryfyle]

You really did get through life merely looking like off brand Brad Pitt.

[normalice]

Let's not pretend you have any measure of the depths I've crawled from 😅

[Ryfyle]

You went through this whole farce dodging the question, not providing evidence to your claim, all while looking vaguely like Brad Pitt.

[normalice]

What question? I stopped taking this conversation seriously several days ago. But don't recall anything resembling a question before that. Just you dumping your purse all over the place whining about how whatever the far right fake news told you to be scared about makes you feel scared.

[Ryfyle]

There you go again, using terms you don't understand, making claims you can't back up. Don't you have a modeling gig to attend to?

[normalice]

Stop describing yourself at me. You just typed up a whole response without bothering to check if its meaning made any sense in the conversation (it doesn't).

[Ryfyle]

Painfully obvious projection. Secondly, I've been known to look like a High-T Tom Cruise.

[normalice]

I already said you were describing yourself at me. Now you gotta say I'm projecting. Don't copy me 🤡

[Ryfyle]

Blah blah blah. Hit the showers, pretty boy, you got a photo shoot in 1400

[normalice]

I guess that's insulting? I've never dealt with a guy blubbering over my looks before 🙃

[Ryfyle]

It really is. an absolute shame.

[normalice]

But thats your opinion, and since you also seem to think an apocalyse is the only way for you to cope with other people disagreeing with you, I'm going to have to pass 😅

[Ryfyle]

Did the Bubonic Plague help spark the Renaissance?

[dragoblack]

Judgmental, doesn't research to have an understanding of any other religion, falsly believes paganism is satanic worship, superiority complex, nitpicks parts of the bible to use against people but ignores all of the horrible parts, doesn't research anything about their own religion historically, uses bible for all thinking so they dont have to think for themselves

[Kkstarzz96]

Christians sugarcoat what they feel by projecting it back to the Bible but it's okay to not favor something and be blunt about it and say it's because thats how I feel, not what you believe. But they're not bad people

[boo007]

not all Christian are like that lol im a bisexual Christian

[Ryfyle]

@boo007 You're a fucking heathen and a sodomite.

[Kkstarzz96]

@Ryfyle I don't know what that means

[Ryfyle]

@kkstarzz96 Thats because your education is fucking lacking.

[Kkstarzz96]

@Ryfyle you really made me look up sodomite ugh

[Ryfyle]

@kkstarzz96 Congrats, you learned a thing. Be aware that my response was not aimed at you.

[dowser19]

Depends on where. Are we talking Bible Belt Christians, or Christians around the world? I've lived around both. Bible Belt ones I'd say rigidity, judgmental and hypocritical... ones around the world I'd say the opposite for the most part... though I know an older lady from Israel who told me flat to my face, and I quote, "I don't agree with what my people have done to the Palestinians." Hmmm...😗

[slatyb]

White Evangelicals In the US? Entitlement and fear of anyone unlike themselves, coupled with general ignorance.

[purplepoppy]

Are we sure?

[bean2k21]

Well to be fair, it was a Unity Church in Canada that did this, not a Southern Baptist in America.

[KostasKouvalis]

That actually doesn't surprise me. Very little of the donation money they get actually goes towards helping poor people

[collie22]

i'm guessing we make our bed and we have a to do list :)

[Cathy7734]

If there is a disagreement with a Christian, I see a lot of them hold up their crucifix or let you know they are a Christian and God is backing them.

[SnakeBoop]

My experience has been craziness, rudeness and entitlement

[Ryfyle]

Being absolute slaves to any authority, desperate to be seen as a "good person", and merely doing good out of fear of punishment. That what strikes me a "christian", nothing more than slaves to Zionists.

[European4Ever]

I have to agree that is what many modern Christians, especially in the United States, have turned into. Any "Christian" that's a Zionist isn't a real Christian because the philosophies are inherently incompatible.

[Ryfyle]

@European4Ever If you Agree, then why comment?

[BCRanger10]

Which Christians are you talking about? There are 40,000 different brands.

And counting.

[mobiusforniner]

Close minded, everyone who is different according to their values, needs to conform or be avoided.

[DevinAM]

I have no clue, different people who claim to be Christian have different beliefs, some of which say they don't believe in God.

[joshctlee]

Well I’m dating I’ve noticed Christian woman have incredibly high standards

[Better_off_here]

the belief of remaining a virgin until you fin the right one.

[thistle4]

Believing Jesus is the son of God