"universe not logical" newest atheist lie. What do you think?

[Wade12345]

The newest lies Atheists spread on the internet is that the Universe is not logical and some events are "uncaused". This is an outright lie. If anyone ever observed an "uncaused" event, that would be called a MIRACLE and would be further evidence of God intervening.

Why don't unicorns pop into existence from nowhere for no reason, if that were the case?

Just more Atheist nonsense

This is a new low for Atheists

I'm an Atheist and I agree with the Lunatic

[Snsl153]

Yes, and reading the above one particular individual immediately pops into mind. This guy.

That's Lawrence Krauss, the guy who wrote this book.

This is why I could never be an atheist, because I'd have to force myself to believe the impossible, the illogical, and the downright bizarre. I can't do it. I just can't.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

So the magical genie in the clouds is the logical hypothesis?

[Snsl153]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 No, I never said that.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@snsl153 you just said that atheism is illogical. Then by contrast you must think theism is logical. Well theism is believing in a magical immortal genie above the clouds aka God.

[Snsl153]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Yes, theism is logical and true, but your silly mischaracterisation of theism (i. e. "magical genie in the clouds") is not. What you did there is known as straw-manning, and it's only indulged in by people who are either incredibly immature, incredibly dishonest, or both.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@snsl153 by all means then tell me what is logical about God then.

[Snsl153]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 It makes far more sense to accept there is an explanation, however abstract and difficult to grasp it may be for most people, for why there is what there is, than it is to believe that we're just here due to a very long (and lucky) sequence of fortuitous "accidents" of nature.

[Snsl153]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Purposeful design is everywhere you turn. You just need to open your eyes to see it.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@snsl153 you mean it's nowhere. What kind of design gave us vestigial structures like the nerve on your forearms that around 40% of the world population doesn't even has. Monkeys have it because it's mostly used to climb. With evolution nearly half if humans doesn't have it. If there was a design we would all have it.
Another flaw, the tube we use to eat we also use to breathe. If that was a design then the architect was an idiot.
Another example, the coccyx that is literally where our tail used to be has several nerve and muscular endings just like animals with tail. Problem is since ours is vestigial those muscles and nerves still connect there. That's why hurts so much to fall on it. A much much better body structure could easily be made if we were indeed designed.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Can you give me an example of proof that there is any intelligent design by an entity? And not blind design by evolution?

[Snsl153]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Look, don't be lazy. Actually look into the philosophical arguments that clearly demonstrate that the belief that all we see around us just happened by chance cannot possibly be true. You clearly have little to no awareness of the many directions from which one can approach this issue, instead relying upon what you already think you know (which, by the looks of things, isn't much).
That last comment of mine shouldn't be taken as an insult by the way, because over the years I've come across many atheists just like you who thought they had everything clearly and neatly wrapped up, but who couldn't have been more wrong.
Keep an open mind, and don't just dismiss something because you don't understand it.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

You realize that what you are basically asking me is to believe right?
All I gave you are proven facts. Things we can see. And by your own words you asked me to keep an open mind. Open mind to what? You have nothing that can be factually proven or observable.
About those philosophical arguments, as well as others I have a link to give you. Just a second.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@snsl153 here we go.
youtube.com/playlist
Several supposed arguments "proving" intelectual design destroyed by someone that actually has facts and logic on his side.

[Snsl153]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I'm doing nothing of the kind. I'm not asking you to "believe", I'm asking you to not be so presumptuous as to think that you've already found the answer to one of life's biggest mysteries.
I'll watch your YouTube videos, but I've seen so many before. Hopefully this time these ones will actually be good.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@snsl153 I never said I know everything. No one knows everything. But I can tell you that there is no intelligent design.
If you are actually open minded I am sure you will enjoy the videos.

[Snsl153]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 "God's existence cannot be scientifically proven", he says at the 3 minute mark in the first video. Oh dear. WHEN will atheists realise that yes, theists also generally believe that God's existence cannot be "scientifically proven", because they understand that the question of God's existence isn't a scientific issue to begin with.
The scientific method is used to determine the relationships, causal effects, and values of purely physical phenomena that is subject to observation and experimentation. In other words, it's the wrong tool to use when trying to determine something like God's existence, which is a purely philosophical question.

[Snsl153]

"... physical phenomena that ARE subject..." I mean.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@snsl153 But than what way do you have to prove it?
I agree that God cannot be disproven either. Just like he says many scientists believe in God as well as evolution. Not in the biblical God, but that is another discussion.

[Wade12345]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

1) you're incorrectly assuming God is required to make all sentient life forms "perfect". One way to teach humility is to inten tionally design us less than perfect.

2) Molecular self-replicating lifes best design is not necessarily the same as what you'd construct out of metal or plastic in an assembly line. lol.

3) We are evolving into a higher life form, so it is no surprise that we are not literally perfect by some arbitrary definition of perfection.

4) The Laws of the Universe are perfect and are never deviated from. If everything was random, you'd never expect this to be the case.

[Snsl153]

Looking back on this comment, I have to say I was wrong when I said I couldn't be an atheist. Ah hell, I don't know what to believe anymore, but I'm certainly not religious. Agnostic maybe?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Wade12345 1. Excuses to justify a theory you can't prove. While evolution has a lot of proof as to why things are not perfect you have a baseless speculation.
Not only that, but that logic would apply to our personalities, not our bodies. And neither is well designed.

2. I don't know what you are trying to say here.

3. What is a higher life form? No really tell me I am curious to know your answer.

4. Yes I absolutely expect that to be the case. We are extremely luck that everything went out the way it did for us to be here.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@snsl153 just like I am.

[Nata2496]

I'm not surprised by anything they come out with anymore

[YoMan1]

You really are the most helpful female opinion!

[Deathraider]

Atheism is nothing but doubting the existence of a god, something that is unobservable. If you asked me if there was a beginning of the universe and if so how it began, I don’t know. Nobody knows yet. But that shouldn’t warrant a belief in something that can’t be verified.

[jshm2]

Don' let atheists live rent free in your head, mate.

Atheists have no qualification in religious matters. You can laugh them off as conjectures and opinion peddlers.

[Guy13]

There’s so many ways to blow that through history, science, philosophy, and archaeology that I just don’t have time and space here. My 7th graders would blow that up in their simplistic but well spoken and supported , Duh🙄…hello, 😒-duh.

[strateguy632]

a new low, singularity, a word in big bang, means exception but exceptions to nature are... miracles.

[genericname85]

why do you just assume that atheists lie all the time? would you like that people claim christians lie all the time?

[Snsl153]

Well, not ALL the time. Just most of the time.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

The universe is logical as in makes sense. But just because it makes sense doesn't mean it was created by a mythical being.

[Anonymous]

atheist are retards