Is it possible for a Christian to lose faith due to constant disappointments?

[Skyros]

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. The Christian life isn't based on things working out for you or not.

I've been disappointed plenty of times in my life but I still believe the Bible 100% and love Jesus Christ with all my heart because I truly believe in the gospel unto salvation.

Good or bad things happening to me doesn't account or hold weight for my faith.

[FilmGuy93]

Of course. That's a common trope in movies and tv shows. The Bible actually does a really interesting (and in my opinion; good) job of addressing the healthy evolution of people's beliefs throughout life within the context of their relationship with God. It's done in 3 books that transition from youthful, child-like faith, to the skeptic, to that wise older, mature faith that kind of sits in a gray-area.

[RolandCuthbert]

Stop putting your faith in people. Put your faith in Christ. People will lie to you about what is in the Bible to get their way or to get something they want. Christ never lies.

[AndrésC64]

Wrong. God lies too.

[RolandCuthbert]

@AndrésC64 Satan is a liar dude.

[RosieMelts]

😊 love the answer and reply

[AndrésC64]

@RolandCuthbert * Citation Needed

[RolandCuthbert]

@AndrésC64 “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies”

John 8:44

Do you even own a Bible?

[AndrésC64]

And God is a liar too. Do you own a Bible?

[RolandCuthbert]

@AndrésC64 Of course. I own a Bible.

Where does it tell you God lied?

[RosieMelts]

@RolandCuthbert yeah literally andres trusts in humans too much. What human knows anything for themselves? He believes cited sources from any scientist who is a human and yet he will reject the cited source from the Bible- written and translated by other HUMANS. He just chooses one human over the other. Did andres see the big bang himself? Did he also see Jesus hang on a cross himself? NO, but andres wants to believe the human he chooses. Leave him be. 🤷‍♀️.

[AndrésC64]

@RolandCuthbert And yet another Christian who doesn't know his Bible.

Ask, and ye shall receive.

"Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee."
1 Kings 22:23

"Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets."
2 Chronicles 18:22

[RolandCuthbert]

@AndrésC64 That doesn't say that God lied. Ahab refused to believe the Lord. So the Lord used a lying spirit to tell him what he wanted to hear.

Did you read the story of Ahab? Or are you doing google searches?

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 lol interesting but the disciples who walked with Jesus documented what they heard him say. God also gave the Ten Commandments to Moses after speaking with him directly on Mount Sinai. Those men were trustworthy as they had direct instruction from God and allowed to write it down. Everyone else you can consider as trustworthy or not. You can even discredit Moses and the disciples. I won’t defend them or take your choice from you. Entirely up to you. 🤙

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts You don't think humans know anything? I'd ask how you think virtually everything around you came about if not for human hands and human knowledge. Did the people who made those things not know anything?

Guess what? You aren't psychic. Don't tell me what/who I believe. Unless you really are psychic. In that case please give me the lottery numbers for this week.

Yes, you are right. I don't trust the Bible because it was written by humans and no one knows the source.

No, I didn't see the Big bang. No one did. What does that have to do with anything?

Did you see Jesus on a cross? No. But you believe it. Why?

[RosieMelts]

Good point 🤔

[RolandCuthbert]

@RosieMelts I think he is a guy who grew up around folks who used religion as a weapon. But he doesn't hold them accountable for what they did, he blames Christianity instead.

[RolandCuthbert]

@AndrésC64 We all believe sir. It is just a matter of what we believe in. You don't share my beliefs. That's fine. Why do you feel the need to lie about beliefs if that is the case? If you believe in the Big Bang, the Salamander King, or whatever. . . that is on you.

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 lmao bro because they’re all human. I wasn’t there for the Big Bang nor Jesus on the cross I can admit that. You sound like my one religious friend who said trump was favored by god and he’s just imperfect as any human and meanwhile he bashed Biden making him seem like a criminal. I told him you can’t give special credit to one guy because both trump and Biden are imperfect. You glorify the men of scientists as all the world acknowledges their accomplishments in invention but you fail to consider or at least respect the accomplishments of religious people. You have no interaction with them at all yet in speaking or debating really what is true or not. I simply said you can choose to believe which human you want the scientist or the disciple, but don’t call one folly over the other. Actually I can’t put words in your mouth either so if you want to call them folly be my guest. Me personally I can benefit from both the scholar and the disciple. You? You’re responsible for yourself.

[AndrésC64]

@RolandCuthbert A lie, is a lie, is a lie. Now you're making excuses.

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 you have to decide what life is for yourself. Peter and Moses won’t walk next to you. Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton won’t walk next to you. You have what they wrote. Study it. Observe life. Benefit from the resources made available to you today, and decide what life is for YOU. They already lived their lives. 🤙

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts Wrong. No one has any idea who wrote any of the Bible. All of the names ascribed to the Bible we're simply added by others. The authors didn't sign it.

How do you know God gave the ten commandments to Moses?

How do you know that they had direct instruction from God?

[RolandCuthbert]

@AndrésC64 No, actually I am not. The Bible is quite clear.

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 yeah and you think you know the truth? You believe what your teachers told you, what the government tells you. Do you have a mind for yourself? Or you just believe what you’re told? I think you believe what you’re told. You couldn’t use science to tell me how a person grew back a limb. Some laws in science were even adapted and had to be changed because the hypothesis was wrong. Human kind makes mistakes. You believe what you want and I have no further interest discussing it. You’re right a lie is a lie but only smart people can pick up what’s a lie and what is truth.

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts I don't glorify anyone. Again, don't tell me what I believe unless you can also tell me the winning lottery numbers for this week.

Accomplishments by religious people, such as?

[RolandCuthbert]

@AndrésC64 I don't understand that logic at all. You are looking for factual proof to have faith.

[AndrésC64]

Proof would be great, I'll settle for evidence. Do you have any?

[RolandCuthbert]

@AndrésC64 There isn't a religion in existence that provides proof. If it did, we would call it science.

Do you know the difference between religion and science?

[AndrésC64]

Do you know how to read? I wasn't asking for proof, as I just stated. Do you have any evidence at least?

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 healing the sick. Raising the dead. Blessing people nowadays with their own home because of the moral compass they have, that can be attributed to religious- taught compassion, also getting food to kids who live starving in other countries. Has any scientist done that? Does Steve Jobs have a charity for the less fortunate peoples of other countries? No he just accomplished a device to bring revenue for himself. Not a bad accomplishment.. but I like the ones where we ALL succeed. I couldn’t go making big money and walk by a homeless person or sick person dying on the street everyday. If I can accomplish a solution for them, just as much as my own, I surely will take that course of action.

[RolandCuthbert]

@AndrésC64 So evidence isn't proof?

There is no evidence for my faith, sir. I believe based on faith. That is the very definition of religion.

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 your proof is in the text by the human you believe in. Religious proof is in the Bible and testimonials of people who have experienced supernatural change and those close to them who were witnesses. Even news anchors and lawyers gather testimonials. Surely that is proof to them, I don’t see why it wouldn’t be good enough for someone like you who seems to know ALL. @RolandCuthbert don’t say the Bible isn’t proof. It is as well as Homer’s documents can be accounted for. All the words of these ancient men are considered evidence worth taking into consideration. Is it faulty? That’s up to you both to decide. I’m honestly done in this conversation. I have no goal in it I already made my claims. The best days ahead to you two. I wish nothing but the best favor and outcomes and hard work and luck and all that to you both.

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts Your first examples have absolutely no evidence for them.

You don't need to be religious to be a nice person.

Steve Jobs does give it to charity He's given tens of millions of dollars. And even if he personally hadn't given one penny, that would still be irrelevant. He's one person.

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts Wrong on both counts. My evidence is backed by science which is a repeatable verifiable process. If you don't believe it, you can do it yourself and test it. The evidence is also in the products that is produced via the results of science.

What people say about supernatural events is not evidence. If I tell you that I once saw a dragon, is that evidence?

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 oh I was like why am I going this far into conversation with this dude in debate? Over beliefs too it’s the silliest thing. I looked up and realized you commented your belief on @RolandCuthbert ‘s comment. That was silly because you’re a 58 atheist and want to unravel all your years of your personal belief with me a 19 yo open minded truth seeker. It’s not gonna work buddy? I may be 19 and can thank my youthful stubbornness for that or something else, but what I believe is my truth and what you believe is your truth. Did you really think you’d change my mind in this? Did I think I would change yours? Nope lol it’s a waste of time. I’m not trying to change your mind. I just spoke up because you felt the need to slap your belief on his comment. It’s kind of rude. Yeah freedom of speech but people can’t argue with everyone about their beliefs. Leave him be? Or are you blood thirsty. You’re not his mento either? So leave him be and leave me be, and I’ll leave you and him be. You’re and atheist- congratulations. He’s a religious person- congratulations. Glad we all came to that understanding. Peace ✌️

[AndrésC64]

Age has absolutely zero to do with it. I didn't even know your age until you just told me. And if you want to stop arguing, stop.

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 that much you’re right on- age has nothing for you. You obviously can’t follow my train of thought and why I mentioned it. Glad you can understand this was arguing and not even a willingness to speculate both sides. If you keep on talking I’ll just know you love to argue maybe even with religious people the most. Feel free to confirm that for me, thanks. Or you can wish me a nice day as well as a polite atheist person? Thanks ✌️😊

[AndrésC64]

If you keep on talking I'll just know you love to argue maybe even with atheist the most. Feel free to confirm for me, okay.

[AndrésC64]

Because I already told you if you wanted to stop, all you had to do was stop. You continued.

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 😆🤣😃😘😘😘

[AndrésC64]

👍👍

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 👏.🤝👍🤜🤛🤝🤝

[RolandCuthbert]

@AndrésC64 You don't have youthful stubbornness. You have youthful anger. I am sorry that someone who claimed to be a Christian wronged you. But taking your pain our on Rosie won't fix it.

You are not open-minded. How can your mind be open when it is closed to certain forms of knowledge or belief?

I don't know you from yesterday. I responded to the thread author, and you are here whining about your free speech.

That isn't remotely logical or rational.

[AndrésC64]

You are the arrogant and closed-minded one. I am perfectly 100% willing to admit that I could be wrong and there could be a god somewhere. Are you willing to admit the same? Are you willing to admit that you could be wrong and there may not be any such thing as a god? And as you just said yourself, you don't know me, and yet you feel fine with telling me what's going on inside my head and why I am that way. 🤪 WTF are you babbling about, again? Free speech? Who the f said anything about free speech?

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 lol I casually read this and was like- he’s willing to admit he could be wrong.. in believing in science? Then you just destroyed your whole argument. That’s all I noted- dw I’m going quiet again 🤪😂

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts What are you babbling about? I am 100% willing to admit that I could be wrong and that there could be a god somewhere. Are you willing to admit that you could be wrong and there might not be a god?

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 you really like the word babble- and your king texts throughout this particular post proves you’re a great role model for that 😂. You want me to say something to help you feel better, and I won’t give that satisfaction. Whether I believe or not cannot do anything for you and wherever you are going. You believe or you don’t. That’s all you bro 🤜🤛😂

[RosieMelts]

Not king texts- long* besides don’t @ me I said I’m going back into silent mode 😝

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts My "king texts"? What? And where did you get the stupid idea that I'm looking for you to say something to help me feel better?

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts And speaking of who is closed-minded, are you going to answer the question? Are you willing to admit that you could be wrong about the existence of god? Are you willing to state right here that God may not exist? I doubt it. Because you are the close-minded one.

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 .. I corrected myself but ig your fingers were flying lmao also not just me but the other guy. That’s why you want us to admit otherwise. BYE FELICIA IM GOIN MF SILENT MODE 📵 LMFAOOOO

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts Run away instead of answering a question. Makes one wonder about what your answer would be.

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 lol you’re trying so hard to make something out of nothing Andres 🤣 this conversation has been expired it reeks of bad cottage cheese. Why are you still picking at the cheese and eating it 😂 I won’t admit to anything you suggest and you trying to make my words or silence fit your own idealogies is fine. My mind remains unchanged and I’m proud of every word I shared previously. It’s midnight tbh and I just don’t have the attention span to keep this sparring with you. It gets you no closer to sanity.. 🤣

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts I'm trying to get you to admit the truth. But you won't. Just like pretty much every other Christian I've run into. They claim that atheists are closed minded, but absolutely refused to even consider the possibility that they could be wrong and that God may not exist. That's called hypocritical.

[RosieMelts]

@AndrésC64 it takes a lot for anyone to make me admit to anything. Stop generalizing me fool 😂. I never called myself a Christian. You keep your affairs elsewhere out of this one and treat me like a unique person that I am otherwise it won’t matter what you admit if you don’t have simple human decency 😌

[RolandCuthbert]

@RosieMelts I will admit to being arrogant, but closed-minded is not me. I never claimed my beliefs in God/Christ were based upon fact or "evidence". I said, I had "faith". I am not sure how that is being closed-minded. If you want to talk facts and evidence, I am pretty certain I am more open-minded than you can imagine. But having factual proof for something and simply having faith are two different things.

I can't do your cynicism. Because if I were only to live on facts and evidence, I could not even get up out of the bed in the morning. I have to have "faith" that some spirit or some intelligence is guiding things to a better place. Because reading the newspaper, getting on the net or watching news programs is depressing, robs people of hope, and using a factual evidence based analysis of these issues can only lead to one conclusion. That the human race will be extinct in a few decades.

Someone told me that is pessimistic. Well, I accept logic. Logical maintains that in order to be optimistic, you must have some evidence or fact that can support your views. I can offer none.

I can only offer hope.

And I apologize. I thought you claimed your free speech was violated. I think Rosie mentioned it and I thought she was quoting you.

[AndrésC64]

@RosieMelts So you aren't a Christian? You don't believe in God/Jesus? That's a yes or no question.

[AndrésC64]

@RolandCuthbert Thank you for admitting that you are arrogant and have no evidence to support your beliefs. Okay, you claim to be open-minded. I could admit that I could be wrong about the existence of God. It's possible that God exists. Are you willing to admit that you could be wrong, will you admit that it's possible that there is no God? Now who's closed minded?

[BCRanger10]

It is possible. The more important factor is how they engage with suffering.

[TroyDT]

No. A genuine Christian is gifted faith by God and cannot lose it.

[genericname85]

sure. nothing wrong with that though. things are better without faith.

[genericname85]

or let's say better without faith in imaginary things.

[call_me_scar]

Yeah one of my friends is an atheist now because she lost a few friends and a beloved family member

[RosieMelts]

🥺🥺

[AndrésC64]

Sure, why not. Faith is allows a reason to believe something anyway.

[AndrésC64]

* a lousy way

[Ms_Facesitter]

One hundred percent.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

A weak one, yes

[RosieMelts]

🥺🥺

[Dinosaursandanime65]

@RosieMelts Hm?

[RosieMelts]

Such a sad concept

[Dinosaursandanime65]

@RosieMelts Yeah, don’t ever lose your faith

[RosieMelts]

Good words to be spoken 🤝

[Dinosaursandanime65]

@RosieMelts YOU KNOW WHO ELSE-

[RosieMelts]

Hm? I don’t understand this question

[Dinosaursandanime65]

@RosieMelts That’s a question you should ask yourself Megatron

[RosieMelts]

You must be a bot 🤔 peace bot

[Dinosaursandanime65]

@RosieMelts No, i was trolling you. I do that all the time, not the harassment kind of trolling, more like a meme version

[Dinosaursandanime65]

You fool, I’m only using one percent of my pOwEr