For Atheist People? What you think where your loved one has gone after death? What you feel/think about Death?

[Hinaaaaa]

[genericname85]

"you" as in the thing that you refer to as "i", otherwise "the ego" stops existing when you die. ego is a cognitive pattern that can be compared with the operating system or a software that runs on a computer and the brain is the computer it runs on. so if that brain decomposes (which is what death is), the software on it stops running. meaning there is no such thing as afterlife, cause that very thing that is providing your ego the platform to exist on is decomposed it's like trying to start windows from a shattered hard disk. won't work.

but there is such a thing as the "circle of life" meaning bugs, fungi and bakteria will transform the body into new and other things. eventually even to new life. but nothing of that will have anything to do with that ego that once existed. that's gone forever.

[Hinaaaaa]

Soo a human came from nowhere... gone to nowhere... the whole life a person lived was just hanging in the air... your example doesn't makes sense... energy never vanishes it just changes it's form... the life cycle is a whole system...

[genericname85]

no. i came from my mom and dad. just like you probably did and we go where we choose to according to our possibilities during that wild ride that we call life, creating the next generation in the process. so the building instructions that made you will be mixed with the bilding instructions that made another person to create a whole new person. that's what evolution is. that forces ones perspective on the "here and now" instead of an imaginary "some day" that may never actually be a thing.

[genericname85]

it makes perfect sense. what you should have said that it doesn't include a fuzzy warm fantasy that makes you feel better. it's perfectly logical and makes sense. you just don't like it, which i can definitely understand.

[Hinaaaaa]

🙂so you meant to say you came from your mom & dad & they came from their mom & dad... so we all came from our mom & dad but don't you think there was someone who created a man & a woman then they become mom & dad... lol even to create a pic you need a camera... there will be someone who'll create it then you can make lots of pictures using it...

[Hinaaaaa]

It's nothing about liking or disliking though I have a clear concept of it myself I just wanted to hear thoughts of people who don't follow any religion but their own logic...
🙂Well thank you for stating your comment!

[genericname85]

no, there was no sudden creation of specific individual life forms. neither humans nor any other complex multi cellular organism like us was just suddenly there. it's all pretty well understood today. all life that we know today comes from simple single cell organisms and those come from simple chemical processes (spherical arrangement of lipids that are basically made up of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, which are the most plenty materials around on this particular planet), fueled by solar radiation.

just like you are ever so slightly different from your parents, your parents are ever so slightly different from their parents. minor changes across almost unimaginable ammounts of time make HUGE differences. and that's again evolution. so yeah. the idea that "one day there was suddenly the first 2 people" is just objectively wrong. and that's not a "faith" based idea. it's a "knowled" based fact.

[Hinaaaaa]

So you meant to say all those things came in to existence on their own... ok if we think like that so there must be somethings that should have been taken care of... like temperature pressure... who maintained them to the point of perfectionism that there is not even a single mistake how you me & other living things are made up... you meant to say if I put all ingredients in my kitchen but I need to bake a cake I have to do work on it only ingredients are not enough for a cake to be made on it's own self... even nowadays if you want to create something in a laboratory you need someone 24/7 looking after it otherwise the thing you are making will get destroyed on its own if you stop checking...

[genericname85]

no i have not said those things came in to existence "on their own". i specifically explained the process. have you not read or have you not understood what i said?

you're thinking backwards. what you did here is known as the "fine tuning argument". you're saying "everything is just so perfectly made just for us to exist, there must be intention behind it". the answer to that is: no that's wrong. the universe is NOT perfectly made just for us to exist. in fact we can not exist in 99.99% of the universe. this planet is a lucky fluke for life and for us. and it's not at all like "there is not even a single mistake". there have been many great extinction events. even in evolution there's mutations that create deformities and species that eventually die cause they aren't well enough adapted to the surrounding.

so the correct view is "we exist despite all the facts and circumstances that oppose our existence in the universe". the universe is not at all "made just exactly right for us to exist".

[genericname85]

we as a life form have gotten to the point where we can thrive in this surrounding world by billions of years of natural "trial and error", which is another way you can describe evolution. we are a results of an unimaginary long chain of events. of species that died, cause they couldn't survive and eventually in another billion of years, we could prove as another one of the species that couldn't survive. we are not at all completed "perfection". we're very much still in this "trial and error" process. it's just that from the perspective of a human life, not much seems to change now. cause an entire human is way less to "the existence of the planet earth" than a blink of an eye is to an entire human life.

[Hinaaaaa]

Well that is not an answer the question I asked... you said a thing I said a thing... no one is debating here... so you think there will be a day when humans will vanish as well in the result of natural selection?
Ahh ok ok seems like I'm the one debating here...& I have read everything you have write...

[genericname85]

well some things are subjective opinions and some things are objective facts that are neither dependend on nor determined by subjective opinions. everyone would be better off, learning the difference and understanding to differentiate.

[slatyb]

Gone? They haven't gone anywhere. They no longer exist. We're just software running on an unreliable computer with no backup. Suppose you create a document on your computer. Then you delete it. Where is it now? Where does a building go when it is demolished?

[Hinaaaaa]

Well when we delete it it goes in trash bin 🙂...& Even a building is demolished there are still traces of it... nothing can be completely removed

[slatyb]

Yes and the atoms that compose our bodies will remain, but we are a particular arrangement of those atoms and that arrangement has been destroyed never to be recreated.

[strateguy632]

according to doubters, the life/personality needs the body and relied on it, so when body died , the life ends. like a candle flame ends by the wax remains. it goes to grave etc.

[OfDeath]

They went nowhere, they are dead. I miss those who die but I accept death as an inevitable finality.

[AngryCarl2]

My loved one has spent their life force by returning to the planet in the form of ash. Their person lives on in my memory.