it definitely makes you a moron. the proof of god is to be found everywhere. you dont need to become christian just because god is real. you can do whatever you choose
And when I mean proof, it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt, as well as being verifiable with science, mathematics, history, and philosophy by experts within those fields - good luck
the opposite we feel guilty only based on what we were taught is wrong. if people call us racist even falsely we feel bad not because of a real guilt but due to nurture, learned.
Except what we inherently consider right and wrong varies between societies, religions, denominations, ideologies, experiences, and individuals; even if everyone in the world was suddenly a Caucasian heterosexual middle classed conservative Roman Catholic boomer male, they'd still each have varying degrees of morality
I think the existence of humanity is profoundly absurd, and without reason, that we are born dust and we end up dust. As Albert Camus said, the only serious question is that of suicide.
@RyanEC God decides what sin is. If there was no religion the world would be in an even worse state than it is now. When they took prayer and religion out of schools, that is when the quality of people coming out of them dropped. And you see how a lot of them are today. Arrogant, disrespectful of teachers, drugged up and dropping out.
You want religion to be mandatory look at Iran and Saudi Arabia and see how that’s going.
In the Middle Ages people like killed people who questioned your religion. Now you can’t do that and your religion is dying in the west. The younger the generation the less they are what the church says.
@yesterdayschild neither can that be said about the Catholic priests who abuse children or the Protestant preachers who scam their congregation to enrich themselves.
@RyanEC it doesn't matter anyone's religion. God wants people to believe him and do Good things. Ain't it better you believe in a God and find out He is real than deny and find out He was real and angry you denied his existence?
@RyanEC and don't think of the people. Those who are evil regardless will go to Hell. Forget those priests and preachers but at least follow the religion. I don't go to any preacher and I am at much content myself but I read and try to follow Koran
@RyanEC Another live one. You didn’t spend enough hours doing your “research”. Christianity is absorbed in US law, much like Shariah.
Everyone in the world is declining in population. The developed countries are ahead of the curve, the undeveloped ones are behind, and they are going to be in for a biiiiiiiig world of hurt. China is going to see a population bomb in the coming decade, their one child policy, worked, in the most horrible way. The consequences haven’t finished their reaping. You best believe Islamic countries will feel it too, it ain’t going to be pretty.
You have a point about Catholics. The root of their problem is priests and nuns swear a life of celibacy, trying to follow in Jesus’s footsteps to set an example. I think that doctrine should be abolished. I see no reason why they can’t engage in matrimony or bone each other for all I care.
You need to also spend some more time studying theology and get a better contemporary context for why religions were formed before tearing down all religions down to the same baser level as if all their trial and error were for naught. You’re a fool if you regard them as “the same” in terms of morality. Your ability to even complain about them is a product of their efforts, human efforts, it’s entwined.
Since you’re on child abuse, are you going to try and convince us Christian sects are as bad as Muslims where in some countries the age of consent is “marital status”? You don’t consider that abuse where it’s lawful to molest children? Let’s probe your intellectual honesty here.
@AmeerX We’ve debated this before. Islam has a high rate of conversion to atheism. They’re conditioned their whole lives to do what allah commands. After a lifetime of subjugating women, many of them don’t want to know God anymore. They don’t want to know themselves.
You say you’ve read the Quran, explain to me the context behind a wife obeying her husband and being beat if she refuses. How am I supposed the word of any Muslim when they’re taught things like Taqiyya and Apostasy, things that don’t exist in Christianity.
The Bible has garbage in the Old Testament, but Christianity is based on the New Testament where it was more turn the other cheek and less eye for an eye, it was a reformation of Judaism. Our bodies are temples of God and should be treated as such. But not all of the Old Testament was bad such as “Thou shall not kill”, you don’t have to throw the baby out with the bathwater when reforming something.
@Julie4. As long as you question and not use atheism as an excuse not to even try. I think you should entertain the possibility that it’s absurd to even assume you have the capacity to ascertain the purpose of our existence.
@Jennz6. I abstain. It gives me tons of energy. I harness my passion instead of letting it rule/burn me. I’m not ashamed of it. So if ladies did the same, this would be the product of it. So what now?
Speaking of energy, I’m doing some logging this week. Want me to carve your username initials into a log with a chain saw?
@love_conquers_lust admit that you don't like religion because you had a bad experience or perception of people based on their beliefs. Subjugating woman 🤣.
If Muslim women are so oppressed you are welcome to help them escape the Muslim world and give them asylum. They will still spit on you
@AmeerX I know those Muslim women have passion. They will fiercely defend their spouse. Until that passion defiantly turns toward their husband…and they beat the shit out her for it…then they seek asylum, wanting to swap spit with a good Christian man.
@AmeerX What? The point of this whole thread is be kind to women. So whatever religion you choose, Abrahamic or atheism or taoism, whatever, if the central goal isn’t to be kind to them, you’ve backed the wrong horse. The objective truth is the societies that raise women up raise both genders up. That’s why the Western world can stand tall and other societies have to grovel for their scraps. A society is measured by how well it treats the most vulnerable of its members. There is no one in this thread that can credibly dispute that truth.
@love_conquers_lust you slender other religions and then you go about saying Women aren't treated good.
Most vulnerable members are not just woman. It's orphans, innocents, old people too. You removed them all in one fell swoop. No one grovels to Western world because of what you are saying.
We have problems of corruption okay! And corruption and corrupt practices are conducted by woman same as man. Evil deeds have no gender
@AmeerX See, that’s the root of your problem. You don’t understand Western culture. You’re on a WESTERN website by our good graces cofounded by some perverted Middle Eastern asshole here in the US who should also be eternally grateful to the US for even recognizing his existence. You don’t impose culture, we impose it on you here because this isn’t your cultures site or your domain. I see a number of you running around here doing what Muslims do, being little imposters because that’s part of your culture. Pathological liars. To say women are just as corrupt as men in the Muslim world is bull shit unless you have some explicit evidence.
@love_conquers_lust 🤣 this is a Turkish Website. And yes women bureaucrats can be corrupt just like men bureaucrats. What is wrong with you. I do have evidence enough to believe so. I don't have to provide it to you as you won't believe it as clearly you have a bias in your mind that you are somehow superior based on your culture and wealth. You don't even know me personally neither do I and you think everyone else is wrong only you are right. Go fool someone else and waste their time
@AmeerX “This is a Turkish website.”. No it’s not, you fuck nut. Tolga Tanrıseven is FROM Turkey, but he lived here in St. Louis when he helped found this site. It is under US law and customs he is even allowed to put up such controversial content.
See, this is EXACTLY what I’m fucking talking about. Muslims will lie at any cost. You will twist truths to suit your narratives. You do the same thing with religion. It doesn’t make me Islamophobic either because I’m not afraid to confront you pricks about it.
You DON’T have evidence because you CAN’T provide it. More lies.
Here is my prayer to you. May you face same difficulty and then you have no one believe your innocent and be in jail with no trial and your friends don't believe you and your family distances from you too. You ling to life in your 60s and 70s
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Atheists have a moral compass and ethics, they just make it themselves instead of letting a religious organization do it.
but what about family sex? how would they know it is immoral? who can tell them it is bad?
@strateguy632 it actually isn't that bad unles it's multigenerational and criss generational, in terms of reproduction.
see... without bible act immoral.
it definitely makes you a moron.
the proof of god is to be found everywhere.
you dont need to become christian just because god is real.
you can do whatever you choose
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Ok then show me the proof, and if you can't, you're a fucking moron
And when I mean proof, it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt, as well as being verifiable with science, mathematics, history, and philosophy by experts within those fields - good luck
@bingbongbangbung hmm nah sounds like a homework assignment and something tells me you're too stupid to understand it anyway (no offence)
so what i will do instead is alter my initial claim just a tad to knuckle dragging drooling imbecile
No. Humans inherently know right from wrong as God gave us a conscience.
the opposite we feel guilty only based on what we were taught is wrong. if people call us racist even falsely we feel bad not because of a real guilt but due to nurture, learned.
Except what we inherently consider right and wrong varies between societies, religions, denominations, ideologies, experiences, and individuals; even if everyone in the world was suddenly a Caucasian heterosexual middle classed conservative Roman Catholic boomer male, they'd still each have varying degrees of morality
No, but it doesn’t help you get to Heaven
I don't care about heaven
I’m sorry you feel that way
I think the existence of humanity is profoundly absurd, and without reason, that we are born dust and we end up dust. As Albert Camus said, the only serious question is that of suicide.
Please don’t do that
@Jennz6 what if your religion is the wrong one?
Some Catholics believe they are the one true church and some denominations think every other denomination is false.
@RyanEC is just what we are taught growing up
@Jennz6 what do you believe?
@RyanEC Jesus Christ died for our Salvation
What denomination are you?
Who decides what a sin is?
@RyanEC God decides what sin is. If there was no religion the world would be in an even worse state than it is now. When they took prayer and religion out of schools, that is when the quality of people coming out of them dropped. And you see how a lot of them are today. Arrogant, disrespectful of teachers, drugged up and dropping out.
Yes He did. People today just don't understand any of it.
Prayer isn’t mandatory in schools.
You want religion to be mandatory look at Iran and Saudi Arabia and see how that’s going.
In the Middle Ages people like killed people who questioned your religion.
Now you can’t do that and your religion is dying in the west.
The younger the generation the less they are what the church says.
@yesterdayschild neither can that be said about the Catholic priests who abuse children or the Protestant preachers who scam their congregation to enrich themselves.
@RyanEC it doesn't matter anyone's religion. God wants people to believe him and do Good things. Ain't it better you believe in a God and find out He is real than deny and find out He was real and angry you denied his existence?
@RyanEC and don't think of the people. Those who are evil regardless will go to Hell. Forget those priests and preachers but at least follow the religion.
I don't go to any preacher and I am at much content myself but I read and try to follow Koran
@RyanEC Don't get me started on Catholics. And some, like Joel Osteen, are definitely in it for the money.
@RyanEC I don’t belong to any particular denomination, I just believe in Jesus
@Jennz6 denominations or sects are just leading people astray. Belief in God is definitely important rest is just us trying to please someone.
@YesterdaysChild making religion a means to make money is the worst. God has a special place for those type of people
@AmeerX I just said that I don’t belong to any particular denomination
@Jennz6 I know I know
@RyanEC Another live one. You didn’t spend enough hours doing your “research”. Christianity is absorbed in US law, much like Shariah.
Everyone in the world is declining in population. The developed countries are ahead of the curve, the undeveloped ones are behind, and they are going to be in for a biiiiiiiig world of hurt. China is going to see a population bomb in the coming decade, their one child policy, worked, in the most horrible way. The consequences haven’t finished their reaping. You best believe Islamic countries will feel it too, it ain’t going to be pretty.
You have a point about Catholics. The root of their problem is priests and nuns swear a life of celibacy, trying to follow in Jesus’s footsteps to set an example. I think that doctrine should be abolished. I see no reason why they can’t engage in matrimony or bone each other for all I care.
You need to also spend some more time studying theology and get a better contemporary context for why religions were formed before tearing down all religions down to the same baser level as if all their trial and error were for naught. You’re a fool if you regard them as “the same” in terms of morality. Your ability to even complain about them is a product of their efforts, human efforts, it’s entwined.
Since you’re on child abuse, are you going to try and convince us Christian sects are as bad as Muslims where in some countries the age of consent is “marital status”? You don’t consider that abuse where it’s lawful to molest children? Let’s probe your intellectual honesty here.
@AmeerX We’ve debated this before. Islam has a high rate of conversion to atheism. They’re conditioned their whole lives to do what allah commands. After a lifetime of subjugating women, many of them don’t want to know God anymore. They don’t want to know themselves.
You say you’ve read the Quran, explain to me the context behind a wife obeying her husband and being beat if she refuses. How am I supposed the word of any Muslim when they’re taught things like Taqiyya and Apostasy, things that don’t exist in Christianity.
The Bible has garbage in the Old Testament, but Christianity is based on the New Testament where it was more turn the other cheek and less eye for an eye, it was a reformation of Judaism. Our bodies are temples of God and should be treated as such. But not all of the Old Testament was bad such as “Thou shall not kill”, you don’t have to throw the baby out with the bathwater when reforming something.
* supposed to believe
@Julie4. As long as you question and not use atheism as an excuse not to even try. I think you should entertain the possibility that it’s absurd to even assume you have the capacity to ascertain the purpose of our existence.
@Julie4. Which, undermines pretty much every religion out there. Which, I criticized @RyanEC for.
@love_conquers_lust 19 replies? I guess bc it’s about religion
@Jennz6. I abstain. It gives me tons of energy. I harness my passion instead of letting it rule/burn me. I’m not ashamed of it. So if ladies did the same, this would be the product of it. So what now?
Speaking of energy, I’m doing some logging this week. Want me to carve your username initials into a log with a chain saw?
You know your name is a GenZ homophone?
@love_conquers_lust no, maybe Jennifer would be nice
@Jennz6. I can post a picture in this thread or PM, whichever you prefer. Stay tuned…
@love_conquers_lust admit that you don't like religion because you had a bad experience or perception of people based on their beliefs. Subjugating woman 🤣.
If Muslim women are so oppressed you are welcome to help them escape the Muslim world and give them asylum. They will still spit on you
@love_conquers_lust and Taqqiya is not in Islam. It's used by a sect not all Muslims
@AmeerX I know those Muslim women have passion. They will fiercely defend their spouse. Until that passion defiantly turns toward their husband…and they beat the shit out her for it…then they seek asylum, wanting to swap spit with a good Christian man.
@love_conquers_lust may be in your dreams 🤣. You really live in a fantasy
@AmeerX Tell that to my jailbird, methhead cousin and his Middle Eastern girlfriend who has a big grin on her face in every photo I see them in.
Or my other female cousin who called of her marriage to an Egyptian “Christian” for undisclosed reasons.
What does one do when fantasy becomes reality?
called off*
@love_conquers_lust I could say same about Muslim women based on my bad experience too but why should I do it except to gain sympathies? Is that it?
@AmeerX I am not
@AmeerX What? The point of this whole thread is be kind to women. So whatever religion you choose, Abrahamic or atheism or taoism, whatever, if the central goal isn’t to be kind to them, you’ve backed the wrong horse. The objective truth is the societies that raise women up raise both genders up. That’s why the Western world can stand tall and other societies have to grovel for their scraps. A society is measured by how well it treats the most vulnerable of its members. There is no one in this thread that can credibly dispute that truth.
@love_conquers_lust you slender other religions and then you go about saying Women aren't treated good.
Most vulnerable members are not just woman. It's orphans, innocents, old people too. You removed them all in one fell swoop.
No one grovels to Western world because of what you are saying.
We have problems of corruption okay! And corruption and corrupt practices are conducted by woman same as man. Evil deeds have no gender
@AmeerX wows, you tell em 💯💃
@AmeerX When did I ever say the elderly, children, or the infirmed weren’t vulnerable?
How is it slandering a religion to say if they treat women like dirt, they aren’t a good one to follow? IF.
The Islamic world doesn’t run shit, even in their own backyards when it comes to their own natural resources.
If you have corruption, then root it out instead of listening to them tell you men are so great by default, because they’re not.
@love_conquers_lust I’m not sure if you did?
@love_conquers_lust 🤣 you are crazy
@AmeerX See, that’s the root of your problem. You don’t understand Western culture. You’re on a WESTERN website by our good graces cofounded by some perverted Middle Eastern asshole here in the US who should also be eternally grateful to the US for even recognizing his existence. You don’t impose culture, we impose it on you here because this isn’t your cultures site or your domain. I see a number of you running around here doing what Muslims do, being little imposters because that’s part of your culture. Pathological liars. To say women are just as corrupt as men in the Muslim world is bull shit unless you have some explicit evidence.
@love_conquers_lust 🤣 this is a Turkish Website. And yes women bureaucrats can be corrupt just like men bureaucrats. What is wrong with you. I do have evidence enough to believe so. I don't have to provide it to you as you won't believe it as clearly you have a bias in your mind that you are somehow superior based on your culture and wealth. You don't even know me personally neither do I and you think everyone else is wrong only you are right. Go fool someone else and waste their time
@AmeerX “This is a Turkish website.”. No it’s not, you fuck nut. Tolga Tanrıseven is FROM Turkey, but he lived here in St. Louis when he helped found this site. It is under US law and customs he is even allowed to put up such controversial content.
See, this is EXACTLY what I’m fucking talking about. Muslims will lie at any cost. You will twist truths to suit your narratives. You do the same thing with religion. It doesn’t make me Islamophobic either because I’m not afraid to confront you pricks about it.
You DON’T have evidence because you CAN’T provide it. More lies.
Here is my prayer to you. May you face same difficulty and then you have no one believe your innocent and be in jail with no trial and your friends don't believe you and your family distances from you too. You ling to life in your 60s and 70s
@AmeerX What is “ling” to life?
No, I have common sense.
No fo course not.
but how would you know the sin in romans chapter 1 is immoral?
No I don't.
NEVER GAVE IT MUCH THOUGHT
Nope
Nope.
Nope.
Nope ofcourse
Yes.