Is there any proof of the crucifixion outside the Bible?

[Goku1001]

Outside the Bible means, in
1. Hindu Scriptures
2. Buddhist Scriptures
3. Taoist Scriptures
4. Islamic Scriptures
5. Sikh Scriptures

[DJB72]

"Outside the Bible means, in
1. Hindu Scriptures
2. Buddhist Scriptures
3. Taoist Scriptures
4. Islamic Scriptures
5. Sikh Scriptures"

1] Hindu scripture was written up to around 800BC
2] Buddhism was originated around 6000BC
3] Taoist philosophy began around 400BC
4] The Quran wasn't written by Mohammad because he was illiterate. It wasn't written down until after he'd been dead. It mentions Jesus in heretical context as a prophet but not the crucifixion - probably because it directly contradicts the central tenets of Mohammad's heresy.
5] Sikhism was founded around 1500BC

Historical records mentioning the existence, death and reported resurrection of Jesus, called Christ, contemporary to the time of his life are more plentiful than records for the existence of any Roman emperor, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Cicero, Pythagoras, Plato, or literally any other ancient figure whose existence you - or any genuine ancient historian - wouldn't dare question. And the records are not exclusive to the followers of Christ. Pliny's account is a Roman source. Josephus was Jewish - hardly a group celebrating Jesus's claims, but still recording his existence as an historic fact.

So, in other religious documents written centuries before Jesus was born by the actual founders of the religions and the one religious text from a system founded 600 years after Christ that couldn't exactly record the Resurrection because it contradicted everything the man with the 6 year old wife's religion stood for, the Crucifixion and the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is not recorded.

Can you provide me with independent evidence of anything you did 17 years ago on the Third Tuesday of April? No? Does that mean you ceased to exist for that day?

Then your argument that the Sikhs, Taoists, Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims don't mention the central Truth of Christianity in their religious documents - which were not historical accounts - is intellectually dishonest of you at best.

[DrPepper12]

No. None.

[strateguy632]

but can you expect budha before crucifixion by six hundred years to record it? or hindu veda before crucifixion. the list is absurd.

[jennifer_bloom]

I personally do not care if there is historical evidence for the crucifixion cause my relationship to the Christian part of the bible is based on personal experience and personal change. I believe what changes me and helps me grow and what happened in history does not affect me.

[purplepoppy]

There's plenty of references to it by roman writers. But what we don't have is much physical evidence. We've found thousands of skeletons from that period but only one with crucifixion damage.

[RebelinSteel]

Sort of yes, as with anything that happened back in history, it’s working through various writers, historians back in the dim and distant past.

https://medium.com/backyard-theology/beyond-the-gospels-historical-evidence-of-jesus-crucifixion-38c24565c25a

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✅ Lucian of Samosata (c. 125–180 AD): In his work “The Passing of Peregrinus,” Lucian, a Greek satirist, mentions Jesus’ crucifixion. He mocks Christians for worshiping a crucified man, thereby indirectly confirming the event.

✅ Tacitus (c. 56–120 AD): The Roman historian Tacitus discussed Jesus’ crucifixion in his book “Annals,” which chronicles Rome’s history from 14 to 68 AD. During the rule of Emperor Tiberius, Tacitus recalls Pontius Pilate beheading Jesus.

Although Tacitus did not live during the lifetime of Jesus, his narrative is nonetheless valued since he was a trustworthy historian with access to Roman archives.

The fact that these sources come from both Roman and Jewish backgrounds, and some are even hostile to Christianity, lends credibility to their accounts and supports the historicity of Jesus’ crucifixion.

[OfDeath]

Both were long after the fact and never cited a a source. Tacitus also didn’t explicitly state that Jesus himself was crucified. And he didn’t say he was beheaded either. Not sure where you got that from…

[RebelinSteel]

@OfDeath from the link 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[OfDeath]

Well the link is wrong if you didn’t understand. You can read the actual passage yourself where Tacitus wrote about Christians. There is no mention of beheadings at all and nothing about Jesus himself being crucified. en.m.wikisource.org/.../Book_15#44

[RebelinSteel]

@OfDeath I really don’t care, it’s a question about someone that may or may not have existed. I give even less thought about Christianity.

[OfDeath]

Yeah but it is a point of relevance to the question asked: “Is there any proof of the crucifixion outside the Bible?” And the answer is no. But you managed to find some kind of weird false information and cared enough to post that. Just saying.

[RebelinSteel]

@OfDeath There is limited proof about most historical events, who says it’s false?
Link to the translations
www.perseus.tufts.edu/.../text

Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus

Now go and Troll some place else, Sundays and fucking idiots 🤦‍♂️

[NamerOfStars]

Of course- in the Apocrypha. But assuming you mean "outside of scripture" (Hindu, Taoist, and Buddhist texts predate Christianity, so of course they're not going to mention it), then yes- witness the largest religion in human history, based on the idea since its inception. The incredible similarity of the stories told and accounts given, even in places like Ethiopia and India, that Christianized from direct work of the Apostles, is very strong evidence of the same origin.

If you want text, specifically, then you're STILL in luck- just look at Tacitus or Flavius Josephus. The Roman officials might have kept records of basic executions of common (though capital) criminals, but they probably wouldn't've survived even without the Judean revolt, to say nothing of the centuries that followed it (Israel hasn't exactly been a calm, peaceful place, historically speaking).

[Goku1001]

The story of Noah is mentioned in the Hindu Scriptures as well... If crucifixion is so important why isn't it prophesized in the much older religions?

[NamerOfStars]

The story of Noah isn't mentioned in the Hindu scripture; you're thinking of Manu. And I'll toss in the Deucalion and Gun-Yu, as well. Those aren't the same story, just a story of the same thing: a great natural destruction that devastated the population and created a genetic bottleneck.

Contrast this with, say, Job, whose story WAS directly copied from his Persian counterpart, which is why the language is so weird.

The point of the story of Jesus is Jesus, not His crucifixion.

[Goku1001]

I'm talking about matsya purana not manu

[NamerOfStars]

No, you're talking about Manu. Silly people can't even TROLL correctly anymore.

[strateguy632]

so you expect the competition to tell the truth?
EVEN historian flavius corroborated: jesus killed by romans.

coming from a historian... the anti christian responded with denial "most (though not all) scholars assume that Josephus’ originally brief notice on Jesus has been partially rewritten by later Christian scribes." pathetic!

dad: grandma died.

kid: NO!
still indirectly islamic scripture quran said that the new testament is "good and light" therefore the content story of gospel is true confirming the new testament story..

[jshm2]

There isn't even proof of crucifixion and resurrection WITHIN the bible.

Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
On the cross (Mark 15:23)
In Pilate's court (John 19:14)

The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves
mock Jesus?
Yes (Mark 15:32)
No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)

... and so on.

The accounts of Jesus are third hand at best. Nowhere will you find accounts written by Jesus himself (the alleged central character of the bible) nor does he have his own gospel.

Also, no one dies from crucifixion, they die from haemorrhage when taken down from crucifixion. Their legs are smashed with a sledge hammer - this was done to the two thieves, but Jesus was "lanced to the side".

[andreasderjuengere]

From the sources that you mention in your question: not that I ever heard of such.

However, there are other texts that refer to Jesus' execution. Google them, or ask your trusted AI :)

Where the details as described in the Bible may be subject to some freedom of the (writing) artist, but essentially they are backed by non-Christian reporters.

[OfDeath]

No there isn’t. The Bible was the first written account of the alleged event. According to the Quran, Jesus of Nazareth wasn’t crucified but was saved by god and it was only “made to appear to them” that he was put on the cross but actually was not.

However, the truth is that none of these accounts contain any credible sources. You believe whichever one you’re convinced by for your own reasons or none of them.

Make of that what you will.

[Goku1001]

🤣🤣🤣

[OfDeath]

@rebelinsteel So you are deleting my reply from your thread? Such class.

I guess I will just have to post my reply here so you can’t delete it. This is to your last reply to me on your thread: I rest my case that there was no mention made about beheadings or a specific reference to Christ himself being crucified as evident in the passage you posted which I had already linked in a previous reply.

I don’t respect you after the way you have tried to avoid being called out for being wrong. What’s wrong with just admitting error?

[b_lova]

How does citing the Quran disprove anything? It was written 600 years after Jesus was crucified. Can you cite proof that historical sources outside the Bible are not credible?

[OfDeath]

@b_lova The asker specifically asked about the Islamic scriptures and I knew the answer to that from the top of my head hence the citing of the Quran. The proof for the lack of credibility on sources from outside the bible lies in the fact that as you mentioned they are all accounts from well after the fact which do not provide valid sources.

[DarkLegacy]

Even scientists accepted it happened. Crucifixion was the Roman punishment t for treason, it still takes place in some places. One person was executed using this method in the UK and it happened when our country was under Roman rule.

[NotTacocaT6969]

Only books written by primitive humans who thought that slaughtering babies could change the weather.

[hotake]

They still do that. But they believe slaughtering kids could bring them wealth.

[NotTacocaT6969]

Indeed.

[Anonymous]

I believe crucifixion is referring to the death of one's conditioning and the rising of something to replace it. I believe the Bible is entirely about the mind and the law of attraction.

[Goku1001]

Yeah right!

[slatyb]

No, there isn't. There's no proof that Jesus existed, no contemporaneous accounts, no mention by the Roman historians of the time.

[strateguy632]

hilarious everyone can see rebel reply with tacitus n sources a day BEFORE you bluff blindly.

[slatyb]

@strateguy632 Tacitus writing came over a century after Jesus supposed death.

[AngryCarl]

Scriptures aren't proof. It's just stuff people wrote.

[strateguy632]

would you say that about court records? aren't proof. It's just stuff people wrote?

[AngryCarl]

@strateguy632 Arguably, yes. But there's at least an expectation that court records are accurate.

[Anonymous]

The Koran implicates it.

[boobliker]

I not seen any!