College Campus and Sexual Assault- Why So Many Go Unreported

[miamigirl1970]

Why has there been so much debate and discussion surrounding Sexual Assault on College Campuses throughout the United States?

I will tell you why. The Colleges and Universities sit in a "Catch 22" position which nobody wants to admit or discuss. So let me share some information with you, and hopefully if this MY TAKE will only reach one person, then I will feel that I did my due diligence.

Sexual Assault, What Is It? Unwelcomed and Unwanted Sexual Acts through Force, Coercion, and/or Controlled Substance. Let me List three of the most critical MYTHS about Sexual Assault:

Myth #1- Sexual Assault committed mainly by strangers and criminals who go around jumping out of bushes.

Myth #2- Sexual Assault is a Sex Act and the person who commits it just wants sexual gratification

Myth # 3- It is Not Sexual Assault if it is a person you know, trust, or love.

I believe one of the main problems is how rape is defined. Rape/Sexual Assaults are the most unreported crimes. Approximately 63% go unreported. This is a crime where 4 of 5 victims know their assailant. On a college campus, the problem is getting the true numbers to be reported. A student has to be in an environment in which they feel safe to report. This means that the school has to make reporting acceptable. This is an idea we would all like to think happens. As a parent we trust the Universities with our young impressionable adults as they are off on their own mostly for the first time in their lives.

However, here is the problem. More transparency by the University means more recorded victims of such crimes. Then what happens? The College has a "hurt reputation" due to numbers of sexual assaults reported. The what happens? Loss of Reputation means loss of enrollment, which means in turn loss of revenue. So it appears the easiest thing for Colleges has been in the past to turn a blind eye. Or turn the victim into the perpetrator. More people have said the following:

Colleges are Good at Victim Blaming

In August of 2016 a Colorado Student who Raped a Helpless Freshman got No Prison

Federal Research on Sexual Violence on Campus is a Mess

Universities bury it, hide it, and plain and simple, don't want it!

• To make colleges accountable for finding solutions, the White House has called on them to conduct anonymous "climate surveys" to determine how many students have been victimized; Congress is considering making the surveys mandatory and the results public. Rutgers is working with the administration to pilot such a survey. And Koenick is guardedly optimistic that all the new efforts will pay off. "For the first time in 45 years" of doing this work, she says, it seems that real change is possible.

When Annie E. Clark, 26, a graduate of the University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill, sought help from the school after a 2007 assault, she says she was asked, "What could you have done differently in that situation?" Clark, who didn't know who her assailant was and didn't pursue adjudication, doesn't think the comment was ill-intentioned. "It goes to a lack of training," she says. Clark has garnered national attention by filing a Title IX complaint against the university with several other women in 2013 and by assisting students on other campuses through the organization she co-founded, End Rape on Campus.

A recent survey went out to 780,000 college students regarding sexual assault. 150,000 responded from 27 of the most prominent universities. 26% of female seniors said they had experienced it at some point during their 4 years at their University. For many years now the typical research numbers of 1 in 5 have stood strong when asked how many are actually assaulted on campus? In 2007 the Department of Justice did a Study to find that number. Is it accurate? How can it be totally accurate when recent studies have shown that 95% of these acts go unreported for various reasons.

What can you do that is most important? BE INFORMED

BASIC SAFETY GUIDELINES

Know your alcohol limits: Over half of sexual assaults committed against college students involve alcohol, according to researchers at Wayne State University. Intoxication can make you significantly more vulnerable to assaults by impairing your judgment or inhibiting your physical ability to fight off an attacker. Binge drinkers are at a particularly high-risk of suffering incapacitation, blackout or unconsciousness.
Watch your drinks: Take your drink to the restroom with you. Never drink a beverage that has been given to you by someone else or taken from a communal alcohol source (like a punch bowl).
Trust your gut: If you get a bad feeling about a location or a person, leave immediately. We often subconsciously process body language and other danger indicators without realizing it. If something feels very wrong or you feel pursued, head in the direction of the nearest crowd, lighted area or building. Start talking loudly on your phone. Many attackers are unwilling to pursue victims who are aggressive or loud, which draws attention to the crime.
Stick with your friends: Attend social gatherings with a group of friends that you trust. Look out for each other and help each other arrive home safely. If you do go out alone, always tell someone where you are going and avoid walking in unlit or low traffic parts of town or campus.

AFTER AN ASSAULT: IMMEDIATE STEPS

Get to a safe place: Get away from your assailant to a location where you can call for help. Ideally, find a secure place where you aren’t alone. This can include a campus health center, or the home of a nearby friend or family member.
Contact the authorities: Call 911 to report the incident right away. Provide the dispatcher with the time, place, and description of your assailant. Wait for the police to arrive so that they can collect your statement.
Get medical attention: Even if you do not feel like you need to, seek medical attention at a doctor’s office, urgent care clinic or a hospital as soon as possible. Doctors can help collect vital evidence and treat your injuries directly after an assault. These are some of the specialized care options to ask for:
Advocacy: RAINN suggests calling the National Sexual Assault Hotline to request hospital referrals and check for the availability of an emergency advocate, who can help you through the medical examination.
Sexual Assault Nurse / Forensic Examiner (SANE or SAFE): These professionals are trained to conduct victim examinations, document injuries, and collect DNA evidence that can prove useful in identifying an assailant. Potential evidence includes hair, skin, and bodily fluid samples.
Emergency Contraception: Victims can prevent the risk of pregnancy by taking Plan B up to 120 hours after an attack.
STD Testing: Get screened for possible infections that can be transmitted during unwanted sexual contact. Changing the College's Response to Accusations

WHERE TO GO?

Your University will have at least one of the following:

CARE ADVOCATE

WOMENS CENTER

CAMPUS POLICE

COUNSELING SERVICES

Never be Afraid to Speak Your Voice. Report such Acts, and encourage others to do so too! This is the only Way to Break The Current "Campus Culture" when it comes to Sexual Assault.

[Kiran04]

"63% go unreported".

Uhm, if it's unreported, then how the hell do you know about it? I'll answer that for you. YOU DON'T. That is an assumption based on preconceived notion. If an assault is not reported there's no way you can possibly quantify it, BECAUSE IT'S UNREPORTED. And please. Colleges are DESPERATE to crack down on sexual assault perpetrators now to the point that they will disregard all rights of the accused without any evidence being presented. Your take is short sighted and ignorant.

[miamigirl1970]

Regardless if you think it is ignorant or not, let me say this. There are absolutely no circumstances which make it acceptable to force sexual activity on another person, It doesn't matter if a woman has been drinking with someone all night, if they are engaged in petting, if they have had sex on previous occasions -- without an active, mindful 'yes' it is an assault. Self-blaming is a trap -- feelings of guilt and shame can keep a crime victim from getting assistance, as well as prevent her from moving through the stages of healing. Victims of sexual assault need to be advised to put the responsibility of this crime squarely on the perpetrator -- the thief who denied them the choice.

Individuals should know who they are dating, establish ground rules, communicate throughout the date, understand that there may not be warning signs, A person should always put themselves in a situation where they have an out. That goes for male or female!!!

[Kiran04]

That's all fine, but it has almost nothing to do with what I said.

[Prof_Don]

Surveys can be taken with men and women, asking if they have been sexually assaulted or raped without officially reporting it.

That data is able to be accumulated, you know. Stop being so dense.

[Kiran04]

@Prof_Don Ah yes, so we should just take those people at their word. Surely, if they didn't want to tell the police, you know the people in the best position to do something about it, then they'd tell some random surveyor or write it down on a piece of paper where the consequences of lying are non-existent. I'm sure the Rolling Stone thought the same thing.

[SovereignessofVamps]

Personally I wouldn't report it because I wouldn't want to be known as a rape victim. And I don't know how traumatizing it would be to just be so open about that, even if it was just sexual assault. So, I would ask friends and family to help me beat whoever assaulted me up., If they can do something illegal so can I.

[miamigirl1970]

An eye for an eye...

[SovereignessofVamps]

Yes!! Why should I go the legal route for punishing them when they didn't do that for me? They say whoever calls the police 1st wins, so even after we beat them up we could call and say the rapist started it.

[SovereignessofVamps]

Not about the rape, but call about the fight I meant, b4 he calls.

[MC1997]

I think considering calling the police is a vetter option because they can hurt other people... you can beat them up and then call the police wither way i think they should be reported.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@MC1997 I've read msot rapists, accused ones, aren't even arrested. And the whole process could take months and months. I would want to deal with things right away and make him suffer.

[Elarra]

Personally, I think they go unreported for two reasons. I think part of it is because they think no one will believe them but mostly I think the victim doesn't actually KNOW they were sexually assaulted. Seriously, I mean, look at how many questions on G@G alone that people, both male and female, are asking to see if they were sexually assaulted because they weren't sure? I know G@G doesn't represent the world, but the fact that people even have to ask should tell us something.

[miamigirl1970]

@Elarra, you are correct, the questions are exactly why I brought this issue to light, not because I am a feminist at all@AllAbouttheX. There are obviously issues of awareness going on. Maybe if and when it happens to someone in the circles that others belong in they will understand better. IT is an issue. Drugs and date rape are real. RAINN is real. IT wasn't developed for no reason. The Sexual Assault Survivors’ Rights Act, also known as the Survivors’ Bill of Rights Act of 2016, just signed 60 days ago was not signed for NOTHING. As far as colleges are concerned it is about dollars and sense. I don't care if only 4 cases a year are reported. The bottom line is this: failure to report properly and disclose, is a reason based on dollars and cents, not SENSE! What College or University in their right mind would want the average "shopper" to know that even 3% or less had campus sexual assault issues? They can't afford that to happen. Brick and Mortar Schools are already

[miamigirl1970]

suffering enough due to online schooling and the competition there. This was simply an article to reach out to let those know that there are ways to report, and ways to handle a situation should it arise... that is all. As far as being a feminist, I am far from that! If you see me on this site, I ALWAYS take sides with men. Men get the raw end of the deal 8-10 times in relationships. But that has nothing to do with this issue at all. I am simply putting information out there, what is done with it, is up to the reader, and yes everyone can have their own opinions. That is why this site is so GREAT!

[hellionthesagereborn]

Doesn't that strike you as odd though? If you don't know if you where raped how can you say you where raped at all? Its like claiming you aren't entirely sure if some one beat the crap out of you, either they did or they didn't, their is no uncertainty. Rape is sex without consent, if you did not give consent verbal or nonverbal then its rape, if you did then it isn't its not exactly a gray area.

[coolbreeze]

Nice mytake. Rape is a serious problem in this country And more needs to be done to help victims.

[Paris13]

If only the Victims would speak up though. Many don't want to though.
Thank you for the Kind Invite, @miamigirl1970, and agree with Him that this is a Great My Take. xx

[AllAboutTheX]

The reason campus sexual assaults are not being reported is because they are not happening.
Rape culture is fabricated nonsense and the stats prove it. But instead of seeing the stats logically and rationally because 1 in 4 simply doesn't make logical or mathematical sense... the feminist who want so badly for it to be true, simply fabricate new reasons why the stats don't reflect their victim complex.
www.theglobeandmail.com/.../

If you look at any security statistic from any school across the US or Canada, there is a common thread. Sexual assaults are simply NOT an epidemic like certain groups want so badly to report. Even if 90% don't come forward (or whatever fictional number they come up with to justify low statistics). The numbers needed to make the 1 in 4 nonsense even slightly accurate isn't possible.

This article says schools are failing assault victims and in typical journaistic fashion does a great job of convincing stupid people that there is a major issue with school sex crimes...
www.thestar.com/.../...ng_sex_assault_victims.html

It mentions Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario.
I checked out the Queen's security statistics.
queensu. ca/security/archive/stats/stat-history. html

There has been less than 4 cases a year since 1998. FOUR!
Even if "90%" of victims didn't come forward... that would be 40 a year.
There are 12827 female students at Queen's... so in order for the 1 in 4 to be accurate... there would need to be 3207 cases a year. NOT 40.
40 a year would be less than 0.078% of the student population.

These schools also have sexual assault policies which do take claims seriously. The issue isn't that it's happening, or that it isn't being helped... it's that it isn't happening enough to appease the misandrist who want so badly to hate on males. Which is why these stupid statistics almost always completely ignore male victims.

Yes Campus crime happens by females and males to females and males
No it isn't at epidemic levels
Yes in most cases it is taken seriously when it actually does happen
Yes there are some times when corruption happens and bad people get away with crimes...
BUT equally so there are fake victims who destroy innocent lives and are glorified as heros, even when caught lying and destroying an innocent life.
Emma Sulkowicz AKA Mattress Girl.

[LogicBomber]

It's people like the fake blue account downvoter who help propagate the ignorance that keeps these stats going.
@AllAboutTheX gave tons of back up on her stand point, yet you still are retarded enough to downvote because you can't accept the truth.
If you think it's wrong... explain why you think it's wrong. Otherwise accept that you are misguided.

[hellionthesagereborn]

This is inaccurate to the extreme. In fact their is ample evidence to suggest the exact opposite. For instance if almost 95% of all rapes go unreported how then do we have that reported number? The answer is we don't, its made up their is quite literally no other explanation. Then of course you have the claims that 95% of rapist get away with it, but again that is completely false. That requires us to believe several provablly false things, one that rape is okay in our society. Rape has never been okay, whether its in the media or real life rapist are despised, when even criminals will beat and kill rapist its safe to say rape is still a taboo. If you recall the UVA rape case where a woman accused a fraternity of gang raping her what happened? She was immediatley believed by rolling stone magazine colomnist and the media the young men where then framed as rapist without any corroboration on the media's part or any evidence. Later as her story fell apart until not one statement held up under even the slightest scrutiny (from her claims that her friends told her it wasn't a big deal (they stated they didn't, told her to go to the hospital offered to get a rape kit and stayed the night with her) to the claims it was a party at the frat house despite the fact that the frat had no party and many members where at a party at another sorority among many other things) the media still sided with her, even as those falsly accused men where being shunned, shamed, humiliated, and had their reputations ripped apart. And then on top of all of that those young men still sided with her as well not blaming her for her fabricated story. The medias response and societies response was to state that she should be believed any way, not that its innoccent until proven guilty but rather a womans word should be absolute because of the off chance that she or some other woman might be telling the truth. This of course shows that society always sides with the woman in these things, always sides against the men and always sees rape as an atrocity. This has occured time and time again yet still we claim that their is a rape culture ironic realy since their is a rape culture but it is applicable to men not women as men are as likely to be raped by women as women are to be raped by men according to CDC/NCVS data yet we ignore them.

[hellionthesagereborn]

In fact Amy schumer gave a speech detailing how she slept with a guy who was blacked out drunk who didn't even know what was going on insulted his lack of sexual abilities while being blacked out drunk and oblivious to what was happening and then was applauded for it. If the genders where reversed she would have been booed off stage and reviled by society. Instead she was applauded. We know that women are always believed otherwise we would not have the campus rules that if a woman is drunk she cannot give consent and its rape even if the man is also drunk. He is culpable she is not despite them being "equals" and being at equal levels of intoxication, she is always the victim he is always the perpetrator. And as I pointed out with Amy Schumer if he is intoxicated and she is not its not rape, unless I imagine if she claims she was raped, he is still the criminal.

[hellionthesagereborn]

We know that if we believe that most rapes go unreported, the 1 in 5 would still require hundreds of rapes to be reported and barring this idea that despite everything proving otherwise these council centers have no scruples when it comes to their jobs and no emotions or humanity they would still be accepting most accounts, in fact they have to investigate any and all accusations so even then its irrelevent to how they feel about it. But I digress, it would mean their is hundreds of these rape accusations (which you and every one perpetuating this argument is going based upon the assumption that the woman is always telling the truth even as data shows that about 40% of sexual assault/rape accusations are false) instead they see only a dozen or so and most of them are retracted by the woman herself and the few that are not are frequently proven false leaving only a handful that are legitamate

[hellionthesagereborn]

(as was the case with columbia university student who claimed she was raped only for the student tribunal to judge she was lying based upon the proponderance of evidence (this is basically guilt until proven innocent, the accused having to prove they didn't do the crime instead of the accuser proving they did a much harder thing to do) after the accused (after having his name made public and being kicked out of all of his clubs and losing friends and reputation) showed that they where talking months after the incident where she was saying how much she loved him and he told her he just wanted to be friends that the sex was a mistake). Then you have the 1 in 5 statistic that is also completely inaccurate, never mind it was perpetuated by a feminist which whether you are one or not that does cause bias as a feminist needs their to be a problem in order to stay relevent (you cannot sell policies and get donations for your organization if their are no problems to fix)

[hellionthesagereborn]

who also used shoddy methodology. She did not use random sampling but instead people could come in and volunteer their time. Now most people who have not have a link to these issues would not waste their time this removes your control group right from the start. They then used compound questiones like "have you ever had sex when you didn't want to or while under the influence of a drug or alcohol" note that not one of them actually talks about consent, how many times have you had sex after a glass of wine or beer? Thats most people and most people would not claim to have been raped. The other issue is its a compound question so if you answer yes to one you answer yes to all this is a loaded question. Furthermore not wanting to is different then being forced. I have had sex when I didn't want to, I was tired she wasn't so I put aside my feelings. Thats not rape that was me consenting even though I myself wasn't really in the mood. The study is riddled with issues like this.

[hellionthesagereborn]

All of this is nothing more then exploitation of societies biological and social need to protect women, no different then it is with children and these groups are gaining influence and money from it. All independent research shows that their is no truth to it (as I think I have adequatley pointed out). The problem isn't women are being raped because this would require us to believe that a large percentage of men hate women and that even more men and women hate women for no particular reason (fun fact they found that most rapist where themselves raped and about 95% of male rapist who rape women where themselves raped by women), its an absurd claim to make. Do rapist exist? Yes, is it an epidemic? Absolutely not in fact what is now happening is instead of catching rapist we are creating a system that is easily exploited doing more harm to men who are falsely accused and women who actually are raped as its called so many times most stop believing it.

[DonRomeo]

When did you become a Feminazi? You were doing so well!

This whole subject is everything thats wrong with the world. Rich suburban female spoilt brats trying to get sympathy. And if they can't, theyll shout 'rape!' and get it that way instead. Im sorry: college is not a rapefest. Its an educational institution.

But you are right about the first three points. And the most interesting study I read found that about 97% of rapes involve someone very close to the person - either a family member or a partner in most cases.

One has to ask: what is the objective of those crying rape in the media? What do they want to happen? Evidently the only thing that can happen is to make life even shitter for men and boys. Rape cannot be prevented any more than it has been on a societal level.

Interestingly, no-one seems to be saying its an outrage that around 75% of those Admitted to college/university are female. Less than 30% of higher education students are male. There is something wrong with that - even before you consider what gender most of the most important students were. Maybe theyre shouting rape to deliberately cover up this fact? Its what Feminazis do, after all.

Final point: Im always going to have trouble accepting the phrase 'x % of rapes go unreported'. If they are unreported, They Are Not Quantifiable!!!

Its like saying 'about x% of mute people were made speechless by those comments'. If theyre mute, how do you know theyre speechless?

The basic problem is that when it comes to crime, reports are one of the lowest types of data that can be used to give an impression. Reports do not mean the claimant is genuine. But they can quantify the number of reports. If these 'rapes' are 'unreported', that means they are not written anywhere. Hence they are not data that can be gathered to form a percentage number. And they are not falsifiable. I can't prove that mute people were made speechless by someones comments, because there is no way of audibly proving that. The only way you could get a figure for 'number of unreported rapes', is to interview people. That means trusting someone who CLAIMS to have been a 'victim'. Despite no forensic evidence, suspect, witnesses, or any other criteria neccessary to prove a crime occured. These are different rules than the ones that apply to everyone else! Basically, these 'unreported percentage' bitches need to get their asses off to college! XD

[miamigirl1970]

You are right! College should be an EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION. They tuition they get is outlandish, and at the very least they should have better systems in place to help victims of this or any crimes. But by in large, they sweep things under the rug because bad publicity lands them lower enrollment, landing them less funding... its a cycle. I am NOT a Feminazi, despite what you want to call me! I take subjects and broach them with facts, and only put a personal spin on it should I feel the need to do so. I certainly believe some girls/women etc cry rape that maybe shouldn't. However, especially at the college institutions, there has to be a better way to protect these people and LISTEN! Not worry about funding, or reputation, but listen to the lives that are being ruined due to senseless acts... I don't disagree with some of your points, they are well taken, thank you for responding! Long time no see!!!

[Anonymous]

Gentlemen, it should come with no surprise to you that when a man is accused of rape, the odds are immediately stacked against him. As has been made so abundantly clear by the UVA Rape Hoax, police officers speaking out, and the stories of numerous freedom writers, women have the upper hand when it comes to false rape accusations.
But why exactly is this? I believe that it is paramount to cultural improvement for us to understand why these things happen, for if we understand why they happen, we can mitigate them. Ultimately, the reason why men get fucked over when it comes to false rape accusations, is due to the startling difference between the “social narrative,” and actual reality.
The Social Narrative. For those of you who don’t know, the social narrative is essentially a collection of beliefs, opinions, and thought patterns possessed by the vast majority of human beings. This social narrative changes, depending on the region of the world that you’re in, but for the purposes of this article, I will focus on the social narrative of the West, and the many lies which it passes off as truth.
But first: some groundwork. As you all know, women cannot physically stand up to a man. Men are bigger, stronger, and faster; for a woman to confront a man head on would simply be folly. So, as an evolutionary mechanism, women have unconsciously evolved to use social paradigms to their advantage. This is what gave birth to the social narrative.
A woman can’t physically confront a man? That’s fine—she has a plethora of options. She can choose to make the man feel guilty for hitting her (even if she was acting like a complete cunt), and cry to make herself look like a victim. She can publicly shame the man for being “abusive,” while simultaneously being a complete bitch in the personal arena. She can even leverage the stupid beta males that every civilization has to fight the man for her, or to even get him thrown in jail.
Our Social Narrative. In countries where patriarchy reigns supreme, the social narrative is typically skewed in the favor of men. In countries where feminism has spread, the social narrative is typically skewed in the favor of women.
In the West, as I’m sure you know, the social narrative is EXTREMELY pro-women and very hostile towards men. Here are a few of the beliefs within our social narrative:
When a man and a woman get into an argument, the woman is always right.

[Opinion Owner]

●When a man and a woman get into an argument, the woman is always right.
●Men should never hit a woman, even if she acts like a brat and attacks him.
●Men are all sexually aggressive and are potential rapists.
If she wants sex to happen, she’ll verbalize it.
Men and women are equal.
Women want a sweet, kind, man who’s a doormat.
Now, obviously some of these beliefs are unconscious, but even so, this actually makes them more powerful, because they cannot be attacked directly.
The Social Narrative vs. Reality. Women unconsciously change the social narrative to suit them whenever it feels best. This is why the social narrative is not based upon logic, but rather feelings.
This is why women can simultaneously expose themselves, butt-naked, yet be angry when men look at them. This is why women can yell at men for all being rapists, yet expect them to be sexually assertive and do the escalation.

[Opinion Owner]

This is why women can complain that they don’t get paid enough money, yet insult men who don’t pay for their dates.
Do you see the point here? The social narrative is in women’s favor.
If we look at actual reality, however, we will come to a completely different conclusion:
● If a woman exposes herself completely, it’s normal for men to be sexually attracted to her.
●f women expect men to be sexually assertive, then the idea of affirmative consent is completely retarded.
● If women want to get paid the same as men, then they should be expected to carry half of the financial burden of a relationship.
As you can see, however, saying any of these points in the public arena will essentially label you a sexist, making you a social pariah. For the sake of this article, I would like to focus on the second point above: how men are expected to be sexually assertive. This is the true reason why false rape accusations are so twisted against men.

[Opinion Owner]

We’re simultaneously expected to be assertive and sexually aggressive based off of a woman’s body language, yet when we do this, we’re framed as sexual predators.
How The Social Narrative Destroys Men. As you can imagine, whenever the vast majority of society accepts this social narrative to be true, men start getting fucked over. It’s why most men are complete beta-male chodes, it’s why most men (and women) are unhappy, and it’s why men get fucked over in false rape accusations.
“But just how are they fucked over, Jon? Isn’t the legal system unbiased?” I can hear someone ask.
Unfortunately, no—the legal system is extremely biased in favor of women for reasons which I will soon explain.
The legal system is merely an extension of the social narrative. If you have a bunch of judges and congressmen growing up believing that men should be strong and confident, yet genuine and kind, then we will have a legal system that encourages these things.

[Opinion Owner]

If, however, you have a bunch of judges and congressmen growing up believing that men are all potential rapists, women are always right, and masculinity should be crushed out of children, then we will have a legal system that encourages THESE things. And unfortunately, our legal system does, in fact, encourage these things.
Our Crooked Legal System. A generation of men raised by feminists has led to, quite possibly, one of the most pussified, beta-male legal systems in the history of the world. The West is the only place that I can think of to have ever existed, where if a man and woman have completely consensual sex, and it’s PROVEN to be the case, he can get thrown in jail, because she had buyer’s remorse the next day.
As I said before, the most fundamentally important social narrative talking point that nearly all false rape accusations revolve around, is how men are sexually aggressive. This is the primary reason why men are so vulnerable to false rape accusations;

[Opinion Owner]

I haven’t even got my numbers into the triple digits (yet) and I’ve been formally accused once, and implicitly accused more times than I care to share.
The reason for this is that our beta male judges don’t know game. They don’t know that, if you’re a man and you want to get laid, YOU are expected to be the mover in the interaction. You’re supposed to be the one who’s aggressively passing her shit tests, plowing through resistance, and taking her by the hand and leading her.
Now, of course, while you’re doing this, you should be aware of any subtle changes in her body language. Is she uncomfortable? Does she not want to do this? Should you stop? But the beta male judges have no clue about how to seduce women; they don’t understand the nuances of body language and of emotional sub-communication well enough to see the trap that men have been put into.

[Opinion Owner]

Here is, essentially the trap: have ample sex, but risk getting falsely accused of rape, or simply die a virgin. It’s really that simple. Talk to anybody who’s been in the game for a while (even just longer than a year should do it).
They’ve likely encountered some form of a false rape allegation. It can be a formal one, like I’ve encountered, or it can be a “she spreads rumors behind your back,” type one, which I’ve also encountered. In both situations, however, I found that the odds were against me. Again, it was for a very simple reason: beta male authority figures don’t recognize the necessity of sexual assertiveness if a man wants to get laid.
This is why she can say things like “A-And then h-h-he…he went put his penis in without asking me! RAPE!” When in reality, she sucked his dick, pulled her panties off, and grinded her vagina against him, biting her lip and moaning. Any man with half a god damn brain KNOWS that these body language signs mean that she wants you to fuck her.

[Opinion Owner]

But again, to the average beta male chump who doesn’t have game, he’ll only see the verbal side of things, and assume that the man raped her (when he clearly didn’t).
And Then There’s This. To make matters worse, some women even WANT you to “rape” them. This is a well-known phenomena to many of the players in the manosphere. It is not at all uncommon for women to respond extremely favorably when you pin them down, smack them, and choke them.
In fact, as others have alluded to on ROK, sometimes women even say “NO!” but when the man backs off, she asks him “Why did you stop? I wanted you to keep going!” Combine this with our 50-Shades-of-Grey culture where every young, stupid girl who’s even slightly literate is reading this pathetically written dribble, and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
Ever girl nowadays thinks she’s into “rough sex,” because that’s what all her friends are doing, and it’s what sexy romance novels talk about.

[Opinion Owner]

That’s why it’s very common for girls to regret having sex the next morning; they feel ashamed that they asked a man to smack her and call her a slut, like they read about in 50 Shades of Grey.
Alpha Males Can’t Speak Up. Ironically enough, even the people who KNOW these things can’t say anything, because again, women control the social narrative. It doesn’t matter if you have a job as a doctor, netting you $150,000 a year. If you speak out against the social narrative, you’ll lose your job. It doesn’t matter if you’re a charity worker; if you speak out against the social narrative, you’ll lose your job. And if you’re a politician or a judge? You’ll not only lose your job, but you’ll lose your entire reputation.
Why is this? Well, it’s simple really: the beta males are far too many. For every man who’s aware of the truth of false rape accusations, there’s at least a dozen who think that women would never lie about such a thing, when in fact,

[miamigirl1970]

I think you need to copy and paste all of this into a MY TAKE of your Own!

[Opinion Owner]

... it’s the thing they’re most likely to lie about. The fundamental problem here is that there are too many brainwashed beta males.
The Importance of Beta Males. Interestingly enough, however, there’s an ideal number of brainwashed beta males that we need. Why? It’s simple—if all we have is alpha males who just go around fucking hoes left and right, we wouldn’t be able to have a civilization. In order to have a civilization, we need a certain number of beta males to believe in “true love,” and whatever other nonsense the mainstream media promotes. This way, they’ll settle down, and take the “well trodden path,” of getting a degree and working for a corporation. This makes a society stable.
The problem is that when there’s TOO MANY of them, they start infiltrating every single area of our society. No longer is the beta male confined to menial tasks and labor, but he’s now the district attorney. He’s now the mayor, the president; he’s now the news anchor.

[Opinion Owner]

The beta males now have influence. So What Do We Do? Men, I would like to propose a two part strategy: part reaction and part action. On one hand, we can’t be foolish; the social narrative still has an enormous amount of power, and so do the judges that enforce it. On the other hand, however, we have to take action to stop this madness or else it will never end.
So I propose that we prepare ourselves for the worst. Read this article on how to prevent false rape accusations. Learn how to screen women that are likely to falsely accuse you (I wish I’d known this earlier). In addition to this, start taking action. If you’re EVER falsely accused of rape, and you have the financial means to do so, COUNTER-SUE.
Stop sitting around complacently and start standing up for yourself; encourage other men to be more masculine by working out, taking a martial art, or going clubbing together. Our number one weapon in this war is information.

[Opinion Owner]

The feminists fight facts with feelings, but all of the feelings in the world don’t change the bitter truth of false rape accusations.
Start spreading the word, but be extremely careful—don’t you dare say any of this if there’s women in the group, or a single beta male. Conversation about the prevalence of false rape accusations should be limited to close buddies who you know aren’t chodes. Start getting the word out to more and more men.
Share articles about the UVA rape hoax, support alternative media sites like ROK, Danger and Play, or Breitbart. Show the feminists that you will not tolerate their bullshit. This is the only way out, men. There is no going back. We either fight our way out of this hell, or let it consume us. The choice is yours.

[Opinion Owner]

To all those who are calling out the prevalence of false rape accusations stemming from our "victim culture" spread the word and lets make America Great Again.

[Browneye57]

I agree.
Plus, he's right on the money!

[TadCurious]

I'm glad you emphasized that the victims of rape and sexual assault should contact the police. That's what needs to be done whether the victim is on a college campus or not. The police are the ones best able to handle the investigation of a crime, and turn over their findings to a prosecutor. I don't believe the colleges/universities themselves have the expertise to "adjudicate" these incidents, and when they try to do so they typically have little to no due process protections for the accused. I do not deny that rape and sexual assault occur on college campuses. But the 1 in 5 figure has been debunked and when you stop to think about it, what parent would send their daughter to college if they knew there was a 20% chance they would be raped or sexually assaulted. The 1 in 5 figure cited repeatedly is based on self-reporting. It is a fact that many college women who get drunk and have sex and wake up the next morning regretting having done so convince themselves they were raped.
I did a myTake a long time ago about this: www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a8240-craziness-on-campus-if-she-was-drunk-she-gets-to-decide-if-she-was

[miamigirl1970]

Thank you for sharing, yes I agree the 1 in 5 even though to this day is used as a benchmark, it is totally a statistic that needs validated in truth and actual findings. Thank you for sharing your article, I will make sure to sit down and read it this evening.

[nalaa]

"Assault" is very broad. it can include someone grabbing your butt for a second at a party and that happens A LOT. Including that I wouldn't be surprised if the number was higher than 4/5, I think it happened to all of us at one point. And it's not nice and I'm not saying it's ok but it's not quite fair to put in the same category as rape either

[nalaa]

I don't really get why people want colleges to get involved here after the fact. Rape or assault is a criminal offense, go to the police and let them and the courts deal with it. You can also file a civil lawsuit. But I don't understand my people want colleges to stick their nose into things that they really have no business in and evidently are not equipped to handle.
We already have institutions in place that are specifically meant to handle this and your college isn't one of them.
I don't see why colleges should get involved other than maybe being required to report any assault to the police that has been reported to them. Essentially a lot of what you said here comes down colleges not being able to handle those cases. Not being able to tell who is to blame, what is false and what is true. And they suck at it, because it's not job. We shouldn't work on having some kind parallel justice system within colleges but rather making the actual justice system more approachable and efficient

[redeyemindtricks]

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Campuses don't investigate sexual assault. They aren't courts. They investigate violations of their sexual harassment etc. guidelines.

There are a number of reasons sexual assaults (the crime) go unreported (to police), but a major one is that there's often no evidence of a crime. Without evidence, there's not much chance of a charge being laid, and if they are laid, they will likely be dropped. There's really no magic solution to this.

Searching for a magic solution, many advocates have been pushing (primarily via title ix funding leverage) in the u. s. colleges to address sexual assault, by finding alleged perpetrators guilty of violations of school conduct policies. Since these are not criminal trials, there are few if any rights for the accused, and they are typically operating under a 'preponderance of evidence' approach. In practice, these school investigations are likely done in an -extremely- haphazard manner. There's nothing to prevent school's from taking a 'she had no reason to lie, hence we believe her story over his,' line and expelling students who are accused without any corroborating evidence. On the other hand, it's very easy for schools to protect, for example, a star athlete where there wasn't enough evidence for an actual criminal charge. What happens in the rest of cases probably depends heavily on which way the winds are blowing in that school, in that week... if they've been taking heat for not being tough on sexual assault, they can kick out a bunch of no-name students on unsubstantiated (possibly true, possibly not) accusations, if they feel like sweeping things under the rug, they just bury all of it.

School's really dont' want to be in this business and basically are doing whatever causes THEM the least amount of trouble. And that will continue.

[miamigirl1970]

Very well articulated from both sides of the equation. Thank you much!

[CrazynKinky]

I'm actually disgusted by the guys response to this. Yes there are women that lie and say they've been raped when they haven't and they should be punished because of those women are the reason why rapes go unreported. The guys responding to this are the reason why women don't report rapes. We're shamed. Feminazis going crazy all over are the reason women don't report rapes. How police officers treat rape victims are the reason why rapes go unreported. We're made to feel like it was our fault. We blame ourselves and feel shame is why rapes go unreported. There are millions of reasons why rapes go unreported.

I'm not a feminist I have drank the kool-aid. I am a victim and they all went unreported. You want to blame me because I have a slutty username so I must wear innapropriate clothes and ask for it. Then I will say now I grew up as a tomboy I wore jeans and a big tee shirts and when I was 6 years I didn't know what slutty was. When I was 12 years old and my teacher asked me to stay after class I wasn't intoxicated and I didn't ask for it. When I was 16 and my friends brother came in to where I was sleeping and I fought back and got knocked out.

I do not believe when you make a mistake and get drunk and go home with some guy it's rape or sexual assault. I believe you regret your choice and have to live with that.

I do believe when your in a bar and a guy grabs you it is assault. I do believe when you get drugged at a bar and they screw you that it is rape. I believe that there are many ways to be assaulted and people find it easier to ignore. I don't believe the only way to be sexually assaulted is to fuck someone saying no. It doesn't involve penetration or even nudity.

The next time you ask why do people make a big deal out of it. Think about what happens to your sister or mother. Think of someone doing these things to them. Your blind to it because it's not happening to you. It's not just women who get assaulted

[miamigirl1970]

You are so correct about your thoughts! Thank you for sharing your opinions. There are many many ways to be assaulted, and without mutual consent, it is NEVER OKAY!

[lightbulb27]

I'm not well educated on this issue, so I'll avoid too much comment. Its a great subject and you've scratched the surface well.

I'm sure it is traumatic for anyone to be assaulted as it happens to both sexes. That trauma may impact them for a long time, or life.

I don't have a problem someone asking "what could you have done". To me, there is always an element of personal responsibility in matters. But even if you could do something different, doesn't make it right. Seems like a lot of education needs to be in place.

Create a dense environment where there are a large number of hormonally charged males, with fresh freedom from parents, added with rights/access to mood altering drugs and peer pressure to fit in, and girls... exploring, wanting attention and experiences... and you have a powder keg of a mess. Colleges are just in the place stuck to deal with them at that stage of life.

Have intense training of people entering college may help. God may help. Parents can help by disciplining the children. In lack of that, colleges and courts have to deal with tragedies.

There were no sexual assualts at my college as far as I know... because it was 1000 students, enginnering, and peopele were focused on work and school. So a solution may be to divide people up more, and give them so much work they don't have time to play:) Also any training on how to be a decent human being, and what to do and not do may help. self defense mandatory, responsibility training, discipline training, etc... gee maybe we need military training for everyone:)?

ughhh...

[Phoenix98]

Actually this complete take no offense is bullshit not only was college rape culture debunked several times but so was sexual assault. It was actually found that women are more likely to get raped or assault outside of college then on college grounds.

also now a days the word rape has been reduced to meaning things like being looked at wrong or someone farting near you by feminists so the word itself has been reduced to fraudulent meanings.

And Actual FBI data shows that almost 10% of rape reports on campus are fake/fraudulent charges.

The rape and assault culture on campus has been proven a myth and false many, many times.

And all of the rape nonsense is brought up by you guessed it hurt radical feminists and liberals. Who to them their definition of rape is things like someone brushed up agaisnt them accidentally in the hallway as they were going to class or farted near them or looked at them wrong or even said hello.

I've actually seen videos of guys on the street just saying hello politely to the woman and she calls the police and reports that she's been sexually harassed.

Most of it is complete bullshit like I said been debunked and found to be a myth.

[Itsmeyay]

In my opinion, if women were really raped as frequently as described, why do you still go party? Why has the students themselves not put up a defense system yet? Surely those students would have formed groups that party indoors or away from men, or something, it's not like they are general public, we are talking about an exclusive group of people, even if it's unreported legally, someone must have been told otherwise how did they get to a very precise 95 %? So students at least spoke to each other and that alone should have caused massive reaction, so then 26% plus the 95 % unreported is almost 52 %of students getting raped on college campuses, are these student retarded to not be able to think that the odds of being raped is around 50 percent, maybe I should not get that drunk around men. Or carry carry wistles, or what happened to pepperspray? Why is there not that many pepperspray reports yet? Why is there no discussion about men getting reaction because of woman that they are raping? If your odds of dying in that alley is 50/50 what percentage of the population would really walk in there? And what personality trait would they mostly be? There is no law that says alleys are unsafe, it's general population putting together the dots,

All I'm saying is that even if these women just mention this to one person in discretion, at least 75 percent of the affected personalities would know about the danger and ytake precaution before they carelessly go shake a drunken ass around knowing very well that said action alone would up the probability of getting raped significantly.

[jacquesvol]

@Itsmeyay
Schools and college campuses are supposed to be safe places, not jungles.

[Itsmeyay]

@jacquesvol

I don't think that I really understand what you are trying to tell me, but I agree with you, your point is sort of obvious.

[jacquesvol]

Simple: nobody *expects* to be raped at college or at a party. Most people think rapists are strangers hiding in the bushes at night. They don't live there. They aren't all strangers.

[Itsmeyay]

@jacquesvol

I don't know man, for the percentage of woman raped to be that high, and women still don't know that they are being raped tells me that either they are not very smart, infact their iq's will have to be that of a fish, because fish stick to the area where they get food from even though there are people catching them all the time.

Or the numbers are wrong, but for women to really not to expect that they would more probably than not get raped those percentages would have to be below the 10 percent mark.

Or women are lying, which is what I personally think is really happening.

I mean how can they still not know even when there are so many articles out there stating it? I think they expect different outcomes in the real life scenarios, because they know very well that those statistics aren't correct, but the idea of being able to use the numbers to their advantage even if just for attention, is too tempting to come out and say that this is actually not true.

[Itsmeyay]

@jacquesvol

Also, not saying that all the women came together and planned this, but how did technology evolve? Gradually

And I'm also not saying that the men are doing nothing wrong, I would personally bring in laws that makes sure those guys are very limited in every day life, like not allowed to possess any style of music of music or in posesssion alcohol ever again in their life, but that is for true rapists, not kids that actually got consent from the female.

[jacquesvol]

@Itsmeyay
"for the percentage of woman raped to be that high, and women still don't know that they are being raped tells me that either they are not very smart, infact their iq's will have to be that of a fish,"
You're blaming the victims.

[Itsmeyay]

@jacquesvol
That is my point... If your wife cheats, then says it's because of you not being man enough, who is to be blamed? For the action?
Now, if your wife accused you of cheating, divorced you then told everybody that you cheated hence the divorce. Who is to blame? Remember, in your mind she is the victim. Because what people say is what you believe, no matter what really happened, the people said you cheated. She blamed you, and that is what you should believe happened then. Who is the victim?

[jacquesvol]

@Itsmeyay you're making up a different situation. Non sequitur.

[Itsmeyay]

@jacquesvol so because the people said they got raped, that means that they got raped and that's you final answer? The possibility that they may be lying is not an option? If so my argument is over. Either your common sense does not make sense to me at all or you are dilutional, in which case I don't see reason for any further discussion.

[jacquesvol]

Polls among college guys show a lot: www.medicaldaily.com/college-athletes-sexual-assault-rape-myths-388585 thinkprogress.org/1-in-3-college-men-in-survey-say-they-would-rape-a-woman-if-they-could-get-away-with-it-ffa7406b9778
nymag.com/.../...-men-dont-think-rape-is-rape.html
That's what GUYS tell about raping in college.

[jacquesvol]

@JRICHARDS1996 look at the links above

[Itsmeyay]

@jacquesvol

Well done sir, I appreciate your involvement in this discusion, you have proven your point, although, I think that some of those guys may not feel, "unbeatable" under most of the circumstances, where they rape, I still do take into consideration that some of those guys might have also lied about their intentions, and the difference between "the real scenario" where the actually got the chance to rape and a piece of papers where they theoretically decide. That is a great argument, and I have been won over, new age boys are veryittle educated in being humane. Those women do have a point.

[JRICHARDS1996]

@jacquesvol Those are not impartial and unbiased sources and furthermore it imposes its own arbitrary standard upon what constitutes sexual assault. Pushing your partner to have sex when they do not want to for example is NOT sexual assault if no force is used. It just makes you a pushy asshole, but not a rapist. I do not share this insane leftist, gynocentric view that every and any act of male heterosexuality is sexual assault and I will not accept it no matter how much the Left tried to indoctrinate me with it. Better yet, your generation will be gone soon enough and I will then be in power. I can reverse the damage leftists did to my country.

[Itsmeyay]

@JRICHARDS1996

I will make sure that my daughter meets you, and I will make sure she always carries a weapon, and I will make sure that when you are a "pushy asshole" that she will be able to react with, the tazing bitch, or the shooting maniac, or the killing chameleon, because if she has no right to say no, why are you all out to say no? If you can still push her into what ever you want even when she doesn't want it, 5hen it's only fair the other way around also, and she will want to beat your brains out. Try and stop me, her, and almost every parent we know.

[Itsmeyay]

@jacquesvol

I really see your point now! First hand! These children think that they can do to women what ever they want, also have 5he cheek to blurt out in public that THEY think it's only fair. How dumbstruck can a person get? I feel the limit. Where did this world go wrong man? Who raised their children like that? How does this even make sense? Really wish I could show this guy what a cocky ass hole is, I'll just go a little "psycho crazy" on his ass, don't think we will mind seeing that its fair to enforce what ever I think is fair.

[jacquesvol]

@Itsmeyay Just read what some wrote here.

[Itsmeyay]

@jacquesvol
Yes, that's what I'm talking about, I replied to him also. Read my opinion above to him

[JRICHARDS1996]

LOL Good luck with your weapon when it is your own indoctrinated, SJW Millennial generation that wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment. Unlike you, I will raise my daughters not to be idiotic sluts who get drunk, consent to sex, and then decide that it is rape the next morning because they regret it. All that does is infantilize the female population instead of teaching them how to be real adults. Nice straw men again by the way.

[Itsmeyay]

@JRICHARDS1996

Well your indoctrination towards your would include if she's passed out, Fuck her, if she's drunk, Fuck her, if her clothes are provocative in his own opinion, Fuck her, so my indoctrination towards my daughter would have to counter that yes, she would bury his body I will help her.

[Anonymous]

If you want to know about the real rape culture, read here https://www.wnd.com/2014/08/39783/

While you are busy buying into the BS overblown statistics and feminist propaganda, boys are getting preyed on and raped by their teachers.

Here is another case www.onenewsnow.com/.../sexpidemic-female-teachers-preying-on-minors

''A recently concluded case involving a female teacher in South Carolina having sexual relations with underage students has put the spotlight back on what one publication has labeled a "sexpidemic" occurring on America's school campuses.

After repeatedly having sex with two 17-year-old male students, a 36-year-old former high school honors English teacher and mother of two will receive no jail time.''

There has been over 268 cases and those are just the known ones. Since most people like you are focusing on the rape culture that includes wolf whistling and unwanted touching, or even drunk sex, you are missing the point.

Also notice the language used, the teachers are often labelled as sexy and the rape labelled as ''sex''.

[miamigirl1970]

Nobody ever said my article was just geared for Women. It is also said and I noted that this goes for both men and women. Males are victims more so every day. I think that women who prey on underage teens should be put in prison just the same. It shouldn't matter that teachers are sexy. The point is they are EDUCATORS. I wasn't just focusing on "wolf whistling" as you state. But the fact is that SEXUAL ASSAULT is simply unwanted SEX. I don't care if you are male, or female. If you say NO, or it happens when you are not coherent, it is a violation! Period!!!

[DrTruth]

Rape in campus is at an all time low. It's feminist propaganda that wants you to believe 1 out of 5 girls are raped so they can further push the "women are the victims" narrative. Feminist want to redefine rape as any sexual action where a woman "feels" she might be in danger. So technically... a creepy nerd that asks her on a date is classified as rape. Meme below is how I feel about the rape hysteria.

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[miamigirl1970]

Maybe when you have a 22 year old daughter who tries to report that she must have been given some sort of drug in her drink, and she is bruised and violated, they you will understand more that this is simply about awareness. For both Women and Men to understand that this happens, you and all other people can be blind to it, unless it happens to you or someone you love, it figures people will not champion the cause. But it is like Drunk Driving. People won't loudly advocate against it, until everyone they love is taken from them in the blink of an eye... I am about as far from a feminist as possible. I advocate for men quite frequently on this site. I believe that men get the raw deals in relationships, but that doesn't mean that this issue doesn't happen. Are there false accusations, yes there are, but there are those with people who rob, steal, and commit other crimes also. I don't degrade women, I believe women should know what to do.

[Browneye57]

Are you saying your daughter was drugged and raped? Are are you giving an example.
It would make a difference in your impartiality and credibility.

[JRICHARDS1996]

No offense, but this is bullshit. And I usually agree with you. Simply put, the reason why the majority of campus sexual assaults go unreported is because they are not really sexual assault at all. It is just idiots regretting drunk sex the next day. And I don't care how drunk you are. If you chose to get drunk and make a stupid decision like sleeping with someone you would otherwise regret, it is NOT rape or sexual assault no matter how much you regret it. It is just you being a moron.

[miamigirl1970]

Regardless if you think it is ignorant or not, let me say this. There are absolutely no circumstances which make it acceptable to force sexual activity on another person, It doesn't matter if a woman has been drinking with someone all night, if they are engaged in petting, if they have had sex on previous occasions -- without an active, mindful 'yes' it is an assault. Self-blaming is a trap -- feelings of guilt and shame can keep a crime victim from getting assistance, as well as prevent her from moving through the stages of healing. Victims of sexual assault need to be advised to put the responsibility of this crime squarely on the perpetrator -- the thief who denied them the choice.

Individuals should know who they are dating, establish ground rules, communicate throughout the date, understand that there may not be warning signs, A person should always put themselves in a situation where they have an out. That goes for male or female!!!

[ObscuredBeyond]

@miamigirl1970: It's only *forced* if:

1. The drunk woman refuses and fights off the advance, but it happens anyway. or
2. The man is sober and the gal is drunk.

If both parties are drunk, and she simply regrets what she did, that's not rape. It's regret. She is as much at fault as he is.

[jacquesvol]

@ObscuredBeyond
If both parties are drunk, and she simply regrets what HE did, that's RAPE.

[miamigirl1970]

@ObscuredBeyond Here is my reply to your thoughts:

Regardless if you think it is ignorant or not, let me say this. There are absolutely no circumstances which make it acceptable to force sexual activity on another person, It doesn't matter if a woman has been drinking with someone all night, if they are engaged in petting, if they have had sex on previous occasions -- without an active, mindful 'yes' it is an assault. Self-blaming is a trap -- feelings of guilt and shame can keep a crime victim from getting assistance, as well as prevent her from moving through the stages of healing. Victims of sexual assault need to be advised to put the responsibility of this crime squarely on the perpetrator -- the thief who denied them the choice.

Individuals should know who they are dating, establish ground rules, communicate throughout the date, understand that there may not be warning signs, A person should always put themselves in a situation where they have an out. That goes for male or fe

[Jager66]

@jacquesvol Well I regret what you just said, therefore you are criminally guilty of hate speech, slander and harassment... lol

[JRICHARDS1996]

@ObscuredBeyond I would take it even farther and say that it is NOT rape if she is drunk and the man is not. If she said yes, then consent is consent and he cannot be held accountable. She chose to get drunk and took the risk of making a stupid decision while under the influence.

[JRICHARDS1996]

@jacquesvol That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. But she is not guilty at all? Only the man is the guilty party? Why not punish her for raping him if you feel that strongly about it?

[jacquesvol]

@JRICHARDS1996 "I would take it even farther and say that it is NOT rape if she is drunk and the man is not."
Thus do I have to accept that a GUY has the RIGHT TO RAPE her if the girl is drunk? REALLY? :-o

[jacquesvol]

@Jager66 My (_|_)

[JRICHARDS1996]

@jacquesvol Nice straw man there. But you leftists are good at that. I would expect this from someone my age, but I am honestly appalled that someone your age can be so militantly indoctrinated by the leftist SJW culture that you are worse even than many people my age. The point is that if a woman gets drunk and consents to sex, it is NOT rape because she consented to it. It does not matter if she was drunk. She made the choice to consume alcohol and being an adult means being held accountable for your own actions. This is different from having sex with a passed out person, although even then, they were asking for it and therefore I feel no pity for them.

[jacquesvol]

In older times, they slipped a Mickey Finn in her glass, now it's a 'roachie' (or what's the trendy name today?)

[Itsmeyay]

@JRICHARDS1996

So then... If you pass out its NOT vandalism if your wallet gets stolen, YOUR decision to pass out, your responsibility of what happens to your wallet, no pity towards you then, it's fine when people walk around looking for passed out people to rape, then it's fine to look for you passed out to take your stuff and Fuck you in the ass also then, no pitty, you were looking for it. I hope there are a bunch of gay people reading this I would love to hear their story of Not raping you but fucking you up your poop hole while you where drunk or passed out.

[ObscuredBeyond]

@Itsmeyay : Passed out drunk and taken advantage if is not the same as drunk but still conscious. If she's taking sekfies of herself mid coitus, and bragging, then falls asleep and forgets everything, there's no grounds for a rape charge.

[ObscuredBeyond]

*selfies. Blasted phone.

[JRICHARDS1996]

@Itsmeyay Nice straw man of you. Wishing rape upon another person? How "tolerant." Robespierre would be so proud. The point is, being passed out and taken advantage of is different from getting drunk and consenting to have sex. The former is clearly rape but the latter is not because the drunk party consented. But even in the case of the former, I feel no pity for them whatsoever. They made a stupid decision. They took the risk. If I chose to park my car in a ghetto neighborhood and it got stolen who would feel bad for me? No one. It was my own idiotic decision. So it is with drinking at parties. It is still a crime and the perpetrator should still be charged, but the victim was still also a retard that deserves no pity for their own stupid decisions.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Exactly what I've been saying for years! If you walk into a bad neighborhood where you know there are wolves behind every bush, and dress like a piece of meat, then you don't warrant any sympathy when the wolves eat you.

That being said, once those wolves have acquired a taste, they will get bolder. And so they still need to be put down.

[Jager66]

@jacquesvol haha LOL , that was good.

[jacquesvol]

@Jager66 I don't know what you did see in it. https://i.imgur.com/T01vbNQ.gif

[danii_024]

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[jacquesvol]

@danii_024 you could also steal his wallet because it provokes you.

[ObscuredBeyond]

@danii_024 : Just because most of us have the restraint to avoid doing that purely from provocative clothing, doesn't mean there aren't still barbarians out there who are so easily provoked. If you streaked inside a mosque, I'd only sympathize with you more because you don't finance terrorism.

[JRICHARDS1996]

@danii_024 Which is beyond the point. A crime is still a crime just as robbery is still robbery even if the person was asking for it, like a drug dealer flaunting designer clothing in his 'hood. But that does not negate the guilt and stupidity of the victim for making an irresponsible choice. Your ilk is incapable of understanding that while perpetrators are always guilty, victims are not always innocent.

[chigurl33]

The campus rape culture I believe is complete and utter bullshit... but that's just my opinion. I'm a very math oriented person and at first I was all horrified and what not until I realized it was literally impossible for that many girls to be raped in a country where suing someone is child's play. And I don't think girls don't know when they are sexually assaulted... they just can't believe it happened so they ask to get validation.

Or some are just troublemakers who don't actually care and just wanted to post something. Groping someone in a bar is not something to call rape, it's assault and we all know there are sleazebags in the world... shit happens, just report it and move on.

I live in a country where there is almost zero legal system and less than 1 in 100 girls have ever been raped... so unless your country has totally gone to shit and is now worse than the Congo, it's not possible.

Not that I'm undermining rape... I just think you're exaggerating.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I agree. Its just a way to exploit the natural tendency to want to protect women. If convicted criminals kill rapist when they are in prison then its kind of hard to think that criminals think its horrific but the rest of society is perfectly fine with it. Its an absurd accusation. And yes the math doesn't hold up at all. But you can't get political power and money if you don't have a problem to fix and the bes way to get people to give you power and money is by saying its for women and children.

[Jamesol1]

Wow a girl who hasn't been brain washed by feminist propaganda. A rare wonderful sight.

[redeyemindtricks]

@chigurl33 Yr attitude is the kind of thing that makes winners at life <3

[chigurl33]

Thanks... I'm just happy no angry people here yet, I like Christmas and I want to see it lol.

Merry Christmas everyone

[AthleticMom]

Sharing a range of experiences here
1) rape is rape and should be policed
2) date rape can be included many times but there are times when the gal either didn't object (curious or liked him) or was at first on board with it until it turned... either selfish or painful = too much bother about a mistake to report
3) some gals consider sex in similar was as some guys do = release of pent up hormones, bathroom relief, et. al and consider the guy a pleasant way to satisfy all that
4) heard of gals proud of notches in their bedposts but never knew any - more of a guy ego thing I figure

[IsenhowerJ]

Great take.
You have some points about college rape and unfortunately fraternities play a part in the statistic and it is guys like that who hurt other guys in the media. Rape is real and it is uncomfortable to know that colleges just wipe it under the carpet like it never happened.
Alcohol is a big factor too and men use this. Always know your limit and where the drink is supplied. Going with people you trust is important. Make sure you all have a plan too.

[miamigirl1970]

Yes your points are so correct!!!

[ObscuredBeyond]

"Rape" used to refer to a violent assault. As in, the victim is strapped down or has a gun to her head. The willy-nilly definitions of it today, however, are utterly useless. And the measures used for going after men who believed everything was consensual - or who didn't even engage in any sexual activity to begin with - punishes only the non-violent and the non-offenders, while doing nothing to deter genuinely dangerous predators.

Actual rape is reported at a rate totally consistent with actual cases that are winnable in court. The rest is a bunch of baloney, hyper-inflated by the War on Men.