Why the SI Swimsuit Issue Should NOT Feature Plus-Sized "Models"

[JRICHARDS1996]

Surprisingly, this is my first time ever composing a MyTake. Despite being an English major and a somewhat outspoken conservative, I have refrained from doing so precisely because this is/was the one forum I wanted to have a more casual relationship opposed to political and/or religious. But today was the straw that broke the camel's back, and so as a man I felt the divine call of duty to take a stand for heterosexual men everywhere.

It began early in the morning at my local supermarket, as I was waiting in line at the checkout aisle. Bored, I glanced over at the magazines. And it was amidst the ocean of libellious celebrity gossip and bad sex advice that I beheld what was *once* the glory of the annual SI swimsuit issue.

Normally I do not judge people for their bodies, but let's be blunt about it: this girl is overweight. She is F-A-T fat, beyond "curvy," and resembles a whale that washed ashore opposed to the seductive sirens of the seas who nearly dragged Odysseus and his men to a watery grave.

But I have no problem with that. After all, women DO come in all different shapes and sizes. It is a combination of both genetic and lifestyle choices. Not every woman is as well endowed as say Marisa Miller or the Victoria's Secret Angels, and thus no reasonable man would ever expect every woman to resemble them. But I also believe that the few women who actually are that well endowed and beautiful deserve to be celebrated for their accomplishments. They are the pinnacle of feminine beauty, the creme of the crop so to speak. We celebrate them not because we expect everyone to look like them, but precisely because it is so rare for someone to look like them, and so we consider their accomplishments amazing and their examples inspirational. Essentially it is the same reason why we glorify athletes, religious figures like saints, and great leaders.

And that is exactly what the SI Swimsuit Issue is: a celebration of feminine beauty at its peak, a monument to aesthetic female accomplishment. Thus, when you give the cover spot to an overweight girl who misses the mark in so many ways such as the lovely lady above, it is a form of theft. It is an insult to the few well endowed, insanely beautiful women who toiled so hard to have the bodies that they have; it is a spit in their face. It is stealing away the most honorable position there is and giving it to a woman who does not deserve it at all!

Think about it. Why should a beautiful woman who has gone through so much trouble and effort to be beautiful and take care of her body have to lose out to a less-than-beautiful woman who did not put in nearly as much effort as she has?

Do you really believe it is fair that a woman like Marisa Miller

...Should lose out to a woman like the one below?

Of course not! It is cultural Marxism at its greatest form. Honors should be bestowed based upon merit and hardwork. It needs to be earned. Giving the cover spot to a fat girl is like giving out a "Hardest Worker" award to the lazy person who always leaves their job early. Thus, I do not believe that plus sized "models" belong in the SI Swimsuit Issue, let alone on the coveted cover spot.

Now I know that I am going to get a lot of haters, however, I do not care. There are two things I would like to point out about my opposition: their utter hypocrisy and their true motives. Regarding the former, I do not believe that they are truly concerned with women of all shapes and sizes. Rather, they are only concerned with fat ones because they themselves are also overweight. The reason being that they are hypocritical.

These same women who retreat to their safe spaces and complain about "body shaming!" the moment someone drops the word "fat!" are the same ones who constantly insult skinny women, calling them "twigs, stick figures, no body" etc. Many of them even go as far as to joke about bulimia and anorexia. I know from personal experience because these are the same jealous sorts of women who insult my almost 40 year old mother simply because she managed to maintain an amazing body despite having 3 children including me.

Likewise, there are also women who will complain about "objectification!" They say that such media objectifies women as nothing more than overly sexualized dolls meant to look pretty. But if that were true, then they would at least be just as appalled at female media like Cosmopolitan magazine where the #1 word on the cover is "Sex."

And yet they hypocritically praise such media as being "empowering" and "feminist." Now, that's not to insult Cosmopolitan magazine--even married people could use the sex advice, and there is no shame religious or otherwise in that--but rather it is to point out a double standard. These women are HYPOCRITES. What is not permissible for men, they believe is permissible for women. Essentially it is the same deal with the LGBT movement. Promiscuity and sexual deviancy is perfectly acceptable when it is done by LGBT folks, but it is "objectifying" and "immature" when done by heterosexual men.

Thus, what is the true motives of such women? It is not a universal concern for their own kind, as I proved by their hatred of skinny women; nor is it a concern with objectification, otherwise they would also criticize women's magazines. Thus, their true motive is jealousy, jealousy and a cultural marxist hatred of everything and anything associated with male heterosexuality and normalcy. They are a destructive broad of vipers hellbent on overthrowing anything traditional because they are the bastard seed of the failure known as the European Enlightenment.

[madhatters4]

she is beautiful. it's not like they just put your run of the mill obese walmart patron on thecover. yes she's plus sized. but she is still beautiful. i think it sends a very important message. you can be big and still be beautiful

you rant that others work so hard to achieve yadda yadda yadda, as if Ashley Graham came from a McDonald's binge and the popped up on the cover of the mag. She's worked just as hard if not harder to get where she has gotten.

I give credit for SI showing a more true form of nature rather than the often un-achievable size zeroes that convey an unhealthy message about what is the essence of true beauty. Too many women have destroyed themselves physically and mentally attempting to achieve what they were convinced was the only true form of beauty

If you don't like the girl on the cover that's fine. I haven't always found the cover models to be attractive, but to suggest that she's some how lazed her way to the cover while others worked so hard and were shunned is absurd.

[dominiquois]

"you can be big and still be beautiful"
EXACTLY

[mikemx55]

@dominiquois beautiful is different than hot. That kind of magazines are supposed to sell both of these subjects, not just one and a half

[madhatters4]

@mikemx55 they are selling both hot and beautiful... and it's really only your opinion that she's "hot" to most otherwise SI wouldn't have put her on the cover. they wouldn't take the risk if she wasn't going to be a popular model for them.

I just don't understand what on Earth a person could have against this gal being on the cover. i mean we talk about our country being to PC, too easily offended, and this would seem to be one of those issues. How or why does it bother anyone because a person is on a magazine cover?

[mikemx55]

if you want to, you can read my other comment in here.. it's probably hidden under the "Show more form guys" button, just so that you see what I mean.
And since there is such a big discussion about it, (not only on this site) I'd say that it's not consensual that she is so hot as you say.. and that means I'm not the only one to think that way. Go ahead and call me retartded like the rest.. I don't even care

[madhatters4]

@mikemx55 i wouldn't call you retarded at all...1. i don't call people that 2. i don't insult people.

just because their is discussion about her appearance doesn't mean there was a consensus that she was attractive enough to put on the cover. there have been polls up about her prior to the SI cover where more than 60% of people agreed that she was hot. but even if she was a slimmer as there have been with other cover models there would be questions about her level of attractiveness. I guess the general point is we can argue about the attractiveness of every SI model regardless of weight.

[CHARismatic110]

First of all, Ashley Graham is gorgeous!

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Second of all, who put you in charge of what's fair to be on the cover of a magazine? And for your information, there are 2 other swimsuit edition covers. Ronda Rousey is on one, and a blonde haired woman is on the other. She seems to fit your criteria. I think it's disgusting that you feel as though you have to tear this woman down because she isn't what you prefer.

[AtillaTheFun]

Yeah, until you see her body.

I'm sorry, fat girls aren't attractive. What would you think if society started telling girls that they're shallow and terrible people for not liking fat guys?

[CHARismatic110]

@AtillaTheFun that's your opinion. I think she's gorgeous and her body is fine. Nobody said you had to like her. But what you don't need to do is shame her because she isn't what you like. Nobody is forcing you or any other guy to buy the damn magazine. And should call ANYONE out for shaming something because it's not their preference. But society won't. Because society is the cause of all the shaming to begin with.

[AtillaTheFun]

You can no longer call fat, hairy guys with beer guts disgusting.

[CHARismatic110]

@AtillaTheFun that's fine. I don't go out of my way to make fun of and call something disgusting because it isn't my cup of tea. I don't need to bash something to get my point across. Thanks.

[AtillaTheFun]

If being fat is now acceptable, why is calling someone fat bad?

[CHARismatic110]

@AtillaTheFun be for real dude, being fat will never be acceptable and you know it. So cut the bull

[AtillaTheFun]

Yeah, so why the hell are you trying to make being fat acceptable?

[nalaa]

Yes!!!
That was my point exactly as well. Why is it that men him and the other commentators on your answer feel the need to put down perfectly healthy women, as gross and disgusting. You don't see women going out of their way to call I don't know Jonah Hill or Jack Black gross and say they deserve no place in Hollywood.
Why do men think they're always entitled to comment on women's bodies?

[CHARismatic110]

@AtillaTheFun dude, I'm not trying to make anything acceptable. It's less about acceptance and more about respect for me. At the end of the day you're going to like what you like. Fine. If something isn't your preference then FINE. But stop going out of your way to boost your preference by putting your non preference down!

[CHARismatic110]

@nalaa exactly! It's like guys go out of their way to bash what they don't like. You don't like her? Fine. Move along to what you do like. There's no need to express your disgust and negativity.

[AtillaTheFun]

@nalaa "entitled to comment on women's bodies"? What kind of shit are you being taught?

Stop hiding from reality. She's fat. If she lost weight, she'd be smoking hot.

[nalaa]

Actually I remembered I read an article on that a while back

www.cracked.com/...-are-trained-to-hate-women.html

see one and two

[nalaa]

@AtillaTheFun well then tell me what have you been doing in this thread?

[nalaa]

I meant 1 and 3, sorry

[RainbowFanGirl]

I don't know why people are going out of their way to bash someone just because they don't like how they look...

[CHARismatic110]

@AtillaTheFun and I love how you've gone through all the girls posts and commented on any one that wasn't in agreement with the Take writer, but have yet to go start an argument with any of the guys.

[AtillaTheFun]

I haven't started with them. I do have contempt for guys that suck up to women and just tell them what they want to hear.

[nalaa]

He didn't comment on my mine. I suppose I'm special

[CHARismatic110]

@nalaa lol indeed you are

[nalaa]

"this girl is overweight" And that's where you're wroong and were subsequently your whole take it wrong.

The model on the cover is Ashley Graham she's 5'9 and 165 lbs which puts her BMI at 24, which is at the upper end of healthy. But def still in the normal range.

I keep saying it, men have lost all sense of what is and what isn't a healthy weight. For example, the pictures you linked --> healthy weight. This is underweight.

https://i.mdel.net/mdx/i/2013/11/MG_0023.jpg

Of course it harder to be underweight than to be at a healthy weight, because we're designed to eat enough food. I wouldn't necessarily call constant starvation an accomplishment though.

" We celebrate them not because we expect everyone to look like them" Again you're wrong. Studies have shown that while men know those pictures aren't real. It doesn't matter they still hold their girlfriends and other women in their life to a higher standard.
And men who look at more images like that have been found to have less stable marriages

There's a difference between anorexia and anorexia nervosa. Anorexia is a medical term to refer to someone who is underweight, the other is a eating disorder. So most models are in fact anorexic but they might not have anorexia nervosa

I'm not gonna get into the objectification part because I think you missed the difference between sexualisation and objectification. They're not the same thing !

"It is an insult to the few well endowed, insanely beautiful women who toiled so hard to have the bodies that they have" I think that's a very immature and close minded thing to say. I think you can admire someone else's beauty without seeing it as an attack on your own. And I have yet to see one of those fit skinny models you talk about complain about it. It's mostly guys that complain about it

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Which is why I think your whole take is rather about pushing your preference which is skinny women, rather than pointing out a problem. I mean you've complained about a woman that doesn't fit your preferences is on the cover and then go on arguing why only women who do fit your preferences should be. You're saying women at the upper range of healthy don't deserves that kind of attention, only women at the lower end or below do, because you prefer women to look that way. Now that is objectification, thinking that women have to confine to your preferences

[inneedofaname]

Shut up with your BMI justification. She is fat, end of the story.

[Nik1hil]

@inneedofaname didn't read her long opinion but yours made my day

[Yeahno12]

@inneedofaname ^ agree with opinion owner. The model isn't fat, maybe a bit chubby but she still has a gorgeous face and therefore has every right to be on a magazine cover. I am in no way supporting some feminists' attempts to promote substantially overweight women as a new beauty standard, but I do think that your accusations of this model being like "a whale washed ashore" is not only cruel and harsh, but also extremely close-minded. I myself am a huge fitness freak but I'd still consider this woman to be beautiful, and I'm sure other people would as well; just because YOU don't like her body doesn't mean other people can't.

[CHARismatic110]

@Yeahno12 very well said.

[RainbowFanGirl]

You took the words right out of my mouth. 👏 I guess I'm fat then, since my BMI is in the high twenties.

[HookingSwan]

lol @inneedofaname

lol BMI is an objective criteria. You can't argue with that, even if you are desperate to do so XD XD XD

Sorry pal :P

[dominiquois]

@inneedofaname: So Body Builders are obese now? They're BMI is also very high. Idiot.
@HookingSwan: you're just mad you'll never be on such a cover. Sucks for you.

[HookingSwan]

lol @dominiquois lol

I dont aspire to that life style lol

I am a med student and only wanted to point out that, except for people that do bodybuilding (which means they have a larger amount of muscular mass than most people), BMI is in fact a very objective way to know wether you are underweight, normal/healthy weight, overweight, or obese

And I am nowhere near being a plus size or obese. I am also not advocating that being obese is something to aspire to.

But this girl is not obese, she is inthe overweight cathegory

Anyways, the speech being used here is far too hateful. We shouldn't spread hate and this is what we are perpetuating here by calling people names they are not.

And you seem to have a problem with your own weight, since you seem to feel the need to lash back at me for making a context apropriate remark.

I just don't have tme to deal with this BS... lol so not wanting to, dear. So bye...

[inneedofaname]

@dominiquois I said BMI is bullshit, so what you said does not make any sense, just like most things people that find fat people or being fat okay say.

[nalaa]

wow 9 comments in 6h

First of all @inneedofaname and @Nik1hil of course no guy was going to provide something valuable to this conversation. Could say I'm disappointed in your inability to have a conversation but I was pretty much expecting most guys to get super defensive, even tho what I said was in no way an attack

@Yeahno12 Yes, I agree this take is full of hate, it's ridiculous. I don't know what he meant to do other than spread hate and push his preferences? Because there's nothing else in it

@HookingSwan I agree, sure BMI depends a lot on your body composition as well but for most people it's a pretty good measure of what is and isn't a normal weight. It certainly is for all women in question. So I don't know what @inneedofaname is on about either. I'm guessing he doesn't know what objective and subjective means and got confused about your comment

[Nik1hil]

Not saying anything about your comment love, I didn't read it.. You can say all you want but a bit fat is okay, but this plus size model looks like then will crush me if one of them fell on me.. So I prefer a normal person a bit slim is fine! And that is what we find physically attractive cause it's a healthy person to plant our seed it.

[nalaa]

@Nik1hil I know you didn't read my answer, hence the nothing to contribute comment. And if you had actually read my answer you would know that she is more healthy than most models.
But as I said, nothing contribute, so just don't comment anymore please

[inneedofaname]

As if a woman could ever contribute something on this topic that's worth being read.

[Sad_Onion]

“I felt the divine call of duty to take a stand for heterosexual men everywhere.”
You don’t talk for me, I find the first model to be extremely sexy looking because of her weight.

“But I also believe that the few women who actually are that well endowed and beautiful deserve to be celebrated for their accomplishments.”
Beauty means different things to different people. Again The first model is stunning in my opinion.

“And that is exactly what the SI Swimsuit Issue is: a celebration of feminine beauty at its peak, a monument to aesthetic female accomplishment. Thus, when you give the cover spot to an overweight girl who misses the mark in so many ways such as the lovely lady above, it is a form of theft”
You seem to think all men have the same taste in women as you do. Again, the first model in my opinion is gorgeous.

“It is an insult to the few well endowed, insanely beautiful women who toiled so hard to have the bodies that they have; it is a spit in their face. It is stealing away the most honorable position there is and giving it to a woman who does not deserve it at all!”
you're starting to sound like an ass. Just because you don’t find her attractive, we should all follow suit?

“Think about it. Why should a beautiful woman who has gone through so much trouble and effort to be beautiful and take care of her body have to lose out to a less-than-beautiful woman who did not put in nearly as much effort as she has?”
Because there are men out there who like women with a little meat on their bones. Again, you assume all men like stick insects. this is not true.

“Do you really believe it is fair that a woman like Marisa Miller, ... Should lose out to a woman like the one below?”
The woman below is much better looking in my opinion.

“Now I know that I am going to get a lot of haters, however, I do not care. There are two things I would like to point out about my opposition: their utter hypocrisy and their true motives. Regarding the former, I do not believe that they are truly concerned with women of all shapes and sizes. Rather, they are only concerned with fat ones because they themselves are also overweight. The reason being that they are hypocritical.”
No lol… I was in the army for 8 years, I work out 4 times a week and im far from overweight. I still like a women to have some meat on her.

I stopped reading after that, you're talking out your ass lol

[kxera]

I disagree with the statement that plus size women shouldn't be featured. Whether you like it not, people come in various shapes and sizes. Some healthy and some not so much, but visual representation matters. Also I'd say Ashley is still curvy. Curviness is not really defined by your fat. A curvy woman to me is one having an hour-glass or pear figure, one with a slim waist but wide hips and bust compared to waist. You can be fat and curvy at the same time depending on bone structure and distribution of fat; however, being fat or having rolls definitely do NOT equate to curvy but you can be fat and curvy. It's all perception based honestly. What I deem fat probably isn't the same as what you see as fat and the same goes with attraction. But that doesn't mean a person just shouldn't be represented. You're totally entitled to whatever you feel looking at the picture but so is everyone else. If you don't want to see it, don't look. Many (not all of course) overweight people work out and maintain a specific diet but still are big for whatever reason. With that being said, showcasing a big person is not promoting unhealthiness. It's simply recognizing that there is beauty in more than being skinny.
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curv·y
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adjective
adjective: curvy; comparative adjective: curvier; superlative adjective: curviest

having many curves.
"a curvy stretch of road"
informal
(especially of a woman's figure) shapely and voluptuous.
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fat
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noun: fat

adjective
adjective: fat; comparative adjective: fatter; superlative adjective: fattest

1. (of a person or animal) having a large amount of excess flesh.
synonyms: plump, stout, overweight, large, chubby, portly, flabby, paunchy, potbellied, beer-bellied, meaty, of ample proportions, heavyset;
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CURVY:
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FAT:
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"FAT" AND CURVY
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[Lightspeed-Lemon]

Many of your points are valid enough, though you could've made them without calling her a beached whale. I've come to understand that just because someone is big doesn't necessarily mean they overeat and don't exercise. Conversely, just because someone is skinny doesn't mean they are anorexic or eat too little. I once saw a marathon runner on TV who, according to his height and weight was technically obese, despite being one of the fittest men on the planet.

Why should SI represent all shapes and body types anyway? When's the last time they put a fat, out of shape man on one of their covers? They feature only the best athletes because in general people want to see the best of the best. At the Grammys, we want to hear the world's greatest singers performing, not the average joe from the karaoke bar down the street. We have the Olympics to see the fittest athletes, not to watch average ones with beer bellies. We go to movies to gaze at professional actors, not amateur ones from the drama club.

It's only recently in certain areas of mass media - basically anything to do with women's bodies, such as fashion magazines and runway shows - that we've begun to think average bodies should be featured or even celebrated, while traditionally beautiful ones ought to be criticized, dismissed and rejected. This likely has more to do with people's insecurities than a genuine wish for diversity or a true change in the public taste. Since many people today aspire to look like supermodels and inevitably fall short, the media is an easy thing to blame for the resulting envy and self-hatred they feel. Most people don't aspire to be chessmasters or champion golfers, so those people aren't as threatening to us.

If SI starts populating their annual issue with chunky and average bodies, what reason is there to buy it? You could see those same bodies down at the local beach. The Graham cover might just be their strategy of heading off the inevitable storm of criticism that always comes their way at this time of year. Will be interesting to see which cover gets bought the most. As for Rhonda Rousey, she should be on the cover of regular SI, not the swimsuit issue. She's an impressive athlete, not a professional model, and she looks it. If she can make the swimsuit issue cover, then shouldn't supermodels make the cover of regular SI, despite not being athletes?

[Anonymous]

I apologise in advance because this is going to be rather unstructured and I’ll probably miss out some key points but here we go anyway.

Despite the hateful remarks you’re getting in the comments, I do actually agree with you on many of your points.

The difference with Ashley Graham is she isn’t really a plus sized model. She’s gorgeous, has a slim face and she’s chubby – not really what people think as fat. She has a naturally broad figure, and if you have a look at her Instagram she’s also into working out, which therefore increase her broad figure. Because of this, when she puts weight on it balances out across her body and she looks much more attractive. I know that if I was the same weight as her then I would look rather horrific because my body just doesn’t put weight on that way. The problem with the media is that people don’t realise what goes on behind the scenes; the working out, healthy eating and let’s not forget the famous airbrushing and clever lighting – which applies for both slim and chubby. There’s a huge difference in what we see in photographs and what’s actually the real deal.

You can be slim and unhealthy, and you can be chubby and unhealthy. It works in both ways, of course if you’re slim then you’re more likely to be healthier than someone who’s fat. I think it’s good that plus sized models are being brought into the industry because it makes people less worried and critical of themselves and others about their bodies – there’s nothing worse than seeing a friend unhappy around the beach because of the way she feels about her body, and most of the time they’re not even fat. However, I do think we should be self-conscious to a certain extent. Not to a point where we hate our body and compare ourselves to other, but just to a point where we’re cautious about our health.

Some men also do actually like bigger women, and I’m talking way past curvy. It’s perfectly normal; we all have our own personal preferences which many people don’t agree with.

Contradicting your point, many slim models actually don’t work hard for their bodies – many do, but many don’t. Simply just controlling the amount of food you eat and bam, most women are there. In my opinion the models who work out, have strong bodies and eat healthily are the ones who should be making it into the industry as they've worked hard for their places and also set a good example for the rest of us in society.

[Opinion Owner]

I completely agree with you about skinny shaming as I’ve experienced it myself, it’s not okay and completely goes against the objectives of this whole movement. Yes, there’s such a thing as being too skinny and yes, there’s such a thing as being too fat, but we need to make sure we all know where these limits are before we start critising people. I’m at a regular slim weight but also have a slim face and people come up to me saying “honey, you need a good meal.” It’s patronising and actually I really don’t. At one point it got so bad that I didn’t want to work out because thick is the new craze... It prevented me from leading a much healthier lifestyle.

It’s also just a much more beneficial way to advertise for companies. They end up having a larger target audience as bigger people are more likely to buy their swimsuits.

[Opinion Owner]

Finally, we have the much heated debate on feminism and objectification. Because of the extreme hypocrisy I’ve encountered from other women, I no longer see myself as a feminist and now believe myself to be an equalist. Half naked women are in magazines and we all have a problem with it, half naked men are in magazines and no one bats an eyelid. You’re right, it happens with size as well. It’s not alright that there are no plus sized female models, yet the men’s side is completely forgotten about – men are affected just as badly by the media. People seem to forget that.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Ashely Graham is not even fat, ok?

And I never understood the backlash that plus sized models get? Not all of the world is going to pertain to skinny people, and overweight people almost NEVER get any representation. Sorry, but they exist too, and it's good that they are finally getting some representation.

Having plus sized models does not "promote" obesity because for one, she is not fat. She looks good, and she carries her weight well, and two, I give a little faith in humanity that they will not do everything that they see. Not everyone is influenced greatly by the media. They are just trying to show more body types and give representation to them. Everyone is different, and not everyone will be thin and petite.

Also, nobody hates skinny women, and they are not projecting hate TO skinny women because everyone realizes that thin women are the norm, and the ideal for many people. Again, they are trying to lift the women up that do not fall into this beauty standard. What is wrong with that? As long as they are not putting down one body type to uplift another, there shouldn't be an issue.

When it comes down to it, I think you should stop bashing this beautiful lady just because she does not fit your ideal image of beauty. She won't apologize for the people who hate that she's making it big out there, while the angry little trolls rant about how thin models are somehow being under represented by the media now.

Thin will always be in, but "plus sized" will be as well. Deal with it. Both body types have the potential to be beautiful.

[HookingSwan]

Agreed

[HookingSwan]

This was a very hateful take

I mean... he doesn't have to buy Sports Illustrated or the Swim Suit Edition to see thin women. They are everywhere... lol. It's not like they took them away from him. Talk about whining...

[RainbowFanGirl]

@HookingSwan Yea, he could just google thin women to see them. I'm tired of people shitting on bigger women just because they aren't attracted to them. Oh well, you can't please everyone. Just let Graham make top dollar while her little trolls seethe through their teeth. ;o

[HookingSwan]

haha true :D

[RainbowFanGirl]

Oh and for the people who try to rebuttal and say that she does not put any hard work into her body and try to say that all she does is sit around eating shit foods all day:

www.popsugar.com/.../Ashley-Graham-Plus-Size-Model-Fitness-38426793

[dominiquois]

Pretty much

[RainbowFanGirl]

@dominiquois thanks! :)

[AtillaTheFun]

She's not "plus sized". She's fat.

Nobody is mad at her or dislikes her. People are mad because there's an effort to change what guys see as attractive. Fat chicks aren't hot, end of story. Your plan is to get guys to like "plus sized" girls by showing us naked fatties? What a brilliant plan. What a bunch of winners.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@AtillaTheFun She is not fat, as her BMI is normal. And again, nobody is forcing you to like larger women. They are only trying to represent other body types. Not everything is going pertain to what is considered the ideal. Nothing is wrong with bringing up larger women in a society where they are looking down upon, just like what you did in your comment here.

[AtillaTheFun]

If you don't think fat, hairy guys are attractive and should be celebrated too, you're a hypocrite.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@AtillaTheFun my boyfriend is chubby though.

[RainbowFanGirl]

And she is not even FAT. It's not like they have a 600 lbs woman on the cover.

[AtillaTheFun]

She's fat. You know she is. Stop with the denial and cheesy BS.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@AtillaTheFun that's fine, think what you want. I personally think she's gorgeous, and definitely not fat. If you don't like it then that is also fine. Not everything is out there to please you. ❤️

[AtillaTheFun]

What would you think if they put a nasty dude on the cover of a women's magazine and people started bashing everyone who called him ugly?

[RainbowFanGirl]

@AtillaTheFun I'll say they're immature douchebags. You done now?

[AtillaTheFun]

Doubtful

[RainbowFanGirl]

@AtillaTheFun Anyone who puts someone down for their appearance is immature and is probably full of hate.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@AtillaTheFun yeah, ok. You done?

[RainbowFanGirl]

@AtillaTheFun You don't even know me, I don't know why you're going out your way to call someone fat, when their BMI is completely normal for their height. Why are you so mad? I don't understand this mentality. Just because my opinion is different than yours doesn't give you the right to tell me to go f myself when I didn't do anything to you but state my opinion.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@AtillaTheFun Oh and I was "fat" by your standard when I got with my boyfriend and he didn't care. He was still attracted to me. Your point? Not everyone's perception of beauty is the same.

[AtillaTheFun]

Black guys like the booty. Truth.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@AtillaTheFun Glad we can agree on something! Have a nice day.

[AtillaTheFun]

I'm not mad. It's just sad to see people calling something that is unhealthy, acceptable. I'm guessing you have a problem with models who are too skinny and unhealthy. You should have the same problem with the promoting models who are overweight and unhealthy. I'm guessing you're defending promoting overweight models because you're overweight too.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@AtillaTheFun Yes, I used to be, but now I am at a healthy weight. So...

[RainbowFanGirl]

I have no problem with thinner models because they are gorgeous as well. 👍

[pavlove]

she is fat by medical standards. The rest of your argument is alright

[RainbowFanGirl]

@pavlove Eh thanks. :p

[cobrar97]

AtillaTheFun is a little dramatic, but he's right about the whole thing. She is fat, and she shouldn't be on the cover of a magazine. That's not what guys want to see, and SI shouldn't have to be pressured into having fat girls on their magazine cover. It's all about being PC, and that's ridiculous. However, she is making a lot more $$$ than any of us... so +1 for that.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@cobrar97 however, some guys are attracted to chubby women. What about them? What's wrong with having more representation for other body types? :p Nothing. She's not entirely unhealthy, as she works out and most likely eats right. Just because she doesn't fit the ideal doesn't mean that she isn't beautiful. :)

[Noxifer626]

@cobrar97 For the record, I have absolutely no problem finding bigger women attractive. Please stop saying nobody does. I know of at least 2 cases of very hot women liking chubby guys.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@Noxifer626 Thank you for proving my point love. 😄

[Noxifer626]

@RainbowFanGirl Can I get a cookie now or something? XD

[RainbowFanGirl]

@Noxifer626 *Gives cookie*

[Noxifer626]

@RainbowFanGirl *OM NOM NOM NOM*

[BangBadBxtches]

She's not obese but she technically is fat.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@BangBadBxtches yea. Overweight, but it doesn't look bad. She still looks good to me.

[Hidden_P]

It's okay because as usual with these hateful takes, the asker has steel balls.

Oh wait...

[RainbowFanGirl]

@Hidden_P Lol! For real tho.

[ChrisS44]

How tf can they call her fat she is normal weight she is pretty not every girl on a cover has to be anorexic

[ikissedtheskyonce]

a lot of women do not put height into consideration when it comes to weight. Some women think "ooh she's plus size that means I can get her weight and look like that" personally I do not find her attractive facially but women need to consider the fact that she's 5'10" so her weight would look obese on a short woman

[GuysGuy]

WHOA, WHOA, WHOOOOA!

FOR FUCK'S SAKE, STOP CONFUSING "BEAUTY" WITH "FIT" WITH "FAT"!

They are NOT the same thing, NOR do they necessarily go together. Jeezus, get your heads outta your asses.

I know plenty of grossly unfit women who are very beautiful people. And I also personally train numerous ultra-fit drop-dead gorgeous women who could easily be ranked among the ugliest human beings on planet earth.

So rather than trying to make your own gooey self FEEL better by bastardizing everything else around you, try getting off your ass to actually make yourself BE better.

And YES. SHE IS FAT. To my trained eye... by 40 lbs easy. My own wife (fit) agrees fully. The reason behind it is 100% irrelevant unless trying to justify one's own poor physical condition. Fat is fat.

SI is a damned sports mag... it celebrates fit, active, healthy human beings. The elite of us... some only "beautiful" on the outside I'm certain, but beautiful nonetheless.

Fat is NOT that. Period.

[GuysGuy]

@ChrisS44 , "normal" doesn't mean right, or fit, or beautiful, or whatever the hell you want to call it. Sadly, fat has becaome normal... and thank the US for leading the way. Try watching a movie, or live news footage even, older than your own generation... no fat people. Rosanne Barr for example, used to be considered disturbingly obese... now it's half the women on my street.

[ChrisS44]

@GuysGuy that is true it is becoming a rare sight

[Mekkalyn]

These people are stupid, ignore them. You are right in everything you've said.
She very clearly eats at least moderately healthy (or she'd have rolls), and she works out, and her BMI is fine. So, medically, she might be overweight but she is not FAT. And she is most certainly not a whale that's been washed ashore as the Asker so boldly (and ignorantly) claims.

[gaaxure]

What you girls are doing here is called circlejerk. And it's not a pretty sight.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@Mekkalyn Exactly, I'm tired of these people trying to tell me what it is and what it isn't. She isn't fat to me so what's the problem?

[RainbowFanGirl]

@ChrisS44 Thank you.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@GuysGuy ok but not to me. She doesn't have rolls or anything. Plus her BMI is in the normal category. She works out and eats right. She's not losing weight because well... She's a plus sized model.

[GuysGuy]

Huh?

You are surely not looking at the same photos I am. If you are...

Number 1 - On the February 2016 cover, there's a bloody muffin-top! AND her elbows are
dimpled!

Number 2 - BMI means jack. Healthy efficient dense muscle weighs about 20% more than fat. I'm 5'9" 175lbs. Not in super bad shape but am at least honest saying I would have no business on a cover of Men's Health, for example. In my prime baseball days though, I was a VERY chiselled 205lbs. BMI was 30.5. And according to that, I was unquestionably obese. So if you have a doctor using BMI to guage your health, get a new doctor.

Number 3 - "She's not losing weight because well... She's a plus sized model." ? So what you're saying is she's choosing to be big. Well, high-five on the healthy choice then there Ashley.

Number 4 - If she WAS eating right, she'd be lean. Now I'm not saying 5% body fat here or anything (that's unhealthy at the other end), but when a female is over 21% body fat... she's fat.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@GuysGuy so what? she's making more money than any of us. And people find her attractive, lots of people. I don't know why people feel the urge to complain about people that they don't find at tactics for the sake of... What? 😛 If I did this about guys it would be wrong. I don't need to do that though because it shows immaturity.

Also, how do we know that Marisa Miller is at that weight in a healthy way? How do we not know that she's starving herself or taking drugs to be that way? Maybe she's skinny naturally? We can't say that she "works hard" and "eats right" when we only know what's on the surface.

[GuysGuy]

Never said she wasn't attractive... that's personal opinion. I have buds that think she's hot. But those same buds agree that a fat woman has no business being on the cover of a sports magazine.
But wait, you are talking about PHYSICAL attractiveness, right? Cuz there IS a difference... just so we're on the same page.
And although COMPLETELY irrelevant, you know she makes more money than any of us, do you? That's interesting. Didn't know you had access to my bank and net worth statements.
Further - guys wouldn't give a shit actually. No. Sorry. That's wrong. They'd go hit the gym and get fit instead of crying about how unfair it is that they're not on the cover of Men's Health.

And of course we don't know Miller is at her weight in a healthy way. Let's follow her for a number of years though, and see if she yo-yo's. Then we'll know for sure. But again, irrelevant. Because at worst, she at least kind of resembles a fit person.

[TripleAce]

You went wrong on many parts but ill outline one major hole in this story. There is always chink in the armor, just have to look for it

The whole premise of this my take is based on celebrating the epitome of women. Without going into the other valid points I can make from many different angles to disprove your ideology, lets stick to the main one. You are completely right and from the perspective of SI they are in fact illustrating a standard of beauty.

Much like your example, sports, they are different leagues within sports. That is for a reason. Floyd can't win against mike tyson, clearly. Given her body structure, weight and size, she is defiantly the epitome of women in her class. You will not find a sexier women that size. she's got it all and she deserves to be in SI representing a large population of women out there. she's the best there is given her attributes, which essentially makes her elite, much like floyd mayweather as welter weight champ but not heavy weight champ.

We always seem to miss the bigger picture and you kinda did but I can see why... its not always easy to spot the critical point in every problem.

[TripleAce]

**There's always a chink in the armor**

[dominiquois]

Yes, exactly. She's best in class. She's one the best there is for women of her type. That's the point.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Can't say "chink" any more the algo's will flag you :P

[redeyemindtricks]

I was an editorial model for most of my 20's. The "hard toil" consisted largely of (1) being really tall, (2) being naturally built like a handrail, and (3) not eating completely like shit.

Really, that's about as hard as those girls have to toil. And even #3 is probably easier than you think, since, most of us naturally have lesser appetites than other, more voluptuous girls. That's an actual thing, with a biological basis (surplus progesterone over estrogen).

Just a reality check, there.

I mean, yes, there's effort involved. You have to do a lot of work to get INTO the business, and you have to be sure of yourself, and you have to know how to negotiate, and how to avoid being taken advantage of, and all that. But, effort to keep that body? Nah. LOL Dude, lemme tell you about my diet of salty instant convenience food, and my (total lack of) exercise program, during my first couple years of modeling.

Male models, now, that's a whole different animal. That's a whole lifestyle, and it's grueling and unforgiving and full of trade-offs. Most male models can't look like they do without having to use a whole repository of drugs just to be able to do things like have erections, and sleep normally.
Yeah.

Female FITNESS models have to put in more of the kind of work yr talking about, but, still, nope. Nowhere near being in the same league, even if you are comparing female fitness models vs male fitness models. Still nope.

[Scrambledagain]

Your comparison of the male vs female modelling environment is applicable to the dating game in general in terms of what men have to put into it vs women. I'm off to gym now, leg day, not because I have a modelling competition lol but because I want to up my chances of "getting lucky"

[Minxxie]

Guys used to bully me for being too thin even though I am healthy and have tried to gain weight and would eat until it hurt, but this is just the way my body is. Many men are really into her body shape, and many are not. There is no pleasing every man on earth, and there will always be men like you who whine when all women do not cater to your personal preferences. And being skinny does not necessarily mean that you "worked hard" sometimes that is just your natural body no matter how much junk food you eat. Men always find something to complain about with women's appearances, a girl could have a tiny bit of stubble on her legs and a man will act like it's the end of the world! We are expected to be perfect mannequins at all times because men are so picky. Yet women are raving over sloppy men with beer guts and calling it the "Dad-bod" and saying it's hot. So stop whining, some guys are into bigger girls you can't speak for all men. And not all women are going to conform to your personal preferences so learn not to get personally offended when someone doesn't fit your criteria, it will happen a lot because you are so picky.

[BaileyisDarcy]

That's not fat!

Holy fuck what is wrong with you people that you think that is fat?

That is not a plus sized model! A plus sized model would have some extra weight on her, a little bit of hanging skin, not perfect and toned and completely in shape!

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This woman is about the same weight range as the women on your magazines. Look at her shape, look at her supposed fat bits.
This woman looks like me and I'm almost underweight.

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You want a plus sized model? Here's your plus sized model. And she's only just surpassed chubby.

images.dailystar.co.uk/.../Fat-woman-236803.jpg

And here's your fucking whale. As you so eloquently put it.

Open your eyes dickhead. Actually take a look at what's around you. You might find that what you perceive as fat is the norm and totally healthy.

[BaileyisDarcy]

And by the way, there are guys who like big women. My dad for one. He's a feeder, got upset when my mum lost a lot of weight so she could be healthy again.
He's now with one of the fattest women I know. She's almost as big as the woman in my last picture.
My mums metabolism has started to fail her and she's been putting on weight. She's only just surpassed chubby but because of dicks like you who set your skinny standards to almost anorexic, she thinks she's fat as the moon. Yet if she does get down to the weight people like you demand, mums specific body type will land her looking anorexic and completely unhealthy even though she's your 'ideal' weight.

And by the way.
English major only means you can write well. It doesn't mean the subject of your writing is worth shit.

[Bestgirl80]

All 3 of those women are fat.
What I see is fat, fatter & fattest.
If your body type looks anything like the first woman, as you stated, you are not close to being underweight.
Quit fooling yourself! Open your eyes, pathetic douche!

[BaileyisDarcy]

@Bestgirl80 I weigh fifty three kg. I am constantly being told I need to eat more.

It's not me who needs to stop deluding myself.

[ikissedtheskyonce]

If you look like that woman in that polka dot dress or in the launderie you are not underweight

[ikissedtheskyonce]

An underweight person looks nothing like those women in those pictures. Sorry any doctor will tell you that. Maybe you are delusional. There is a real condition that a person can have where a overweight or big person thinks they are smaller than what they actually are.

[BaileyisDarcy]

@ikissedtheskyonce I said almost underweight. I'm still in the healthy weight range, just the lower end.

That first chick is a totally healthy weight, and is in no way fat. I don't get how you're seeing that at all.

[ikissedtheskyonce]

You changed the subject I'm talking about you saying you are almost underweight and that you look like one of those women in that picture. All those women are not almost underweight and not underweight at all

[ikissedtheskyonce]

And you need to stop tagging the wrong user. I never called the first lady fat the other user did

[BaileyisDarcy]

@ikissedtheskyonce Apologies, I didn't look at the username.

I am almost underweight, and I do look similar to the woman in the first photo. My body shape tends to not show that though. Either that or I just have a warped body image and think I look bigger than I am. I don't know.

Either way, hers is my body type.

[ikissedtheskyonce]

I think you have a warped body image

[Afro-dite9]

Lol talking BIG shit, but even though you're entitled to your ignorant and very distasteful opinion. Everyone hates plus size girl's publicly, but after them like a bitch in heat privately. For people to even go and give negative opinions on other's whether it's body shaming (btw understand body shaming can be skinny shaming and body building shaming too😑), interracial dating etc etc is just lame af and shows your own insecurities. You just want to feel powerful by throwing other's down. 😧Misery enjoy's company!☺ I'm 1,000 percent sure if this GORGEOUS DOUBLE SIZED VANILLA MILKSHAKE of a woman was uncomfortable within herself she could and would lose the weight like so many woman have. And anyone who can be told what they should an shouldn't like by the media is... lmfao should I really go there about mf's who can't think for themselves. They said we couldn't land on moon either, black couldn't marry white, sweets and liquor don't mix welllll buddy we've done these thing's anyway. Stop being a f***ing zombie! We as people can't get shit done and finally live in peace when there is someone like you out here still finding ways to ruin it. Oh by the way... judging from that profile pic... US BIG GIRL'S ain't missing out on much!😂Greasy kisses darling😘😘😘

[Afro-dite9]

Ashley is BAD MF sweetie big or not. She's getting paid mill's while u and 3 other haters are beating up non sense on ur keyboard. She loves herself, she doesn't need ur validation for that. We can't move forward if you're still thinking like it's 1952 in the year of 2016. "A BIG GIRL APPROVE'S THIS MESSAGE!" ✔✔✔

[Mekkalyn]

Omg, I absolutely burst out laughing when you called this girl fat.
You have lost all respect from me. She is by no means fat.

Look at her! How can you honestly say that she is FAT? She doesn't even have any rolls! And last time I checked this isn't called Skinny Chicks Swimsuit magazine. There can be some "plus sized" women (which are not even fat) on the cover. Good for them!

She looks very good! She carries her bit of extra weight very nicely, and you know what, I bet she's so much happier than those skinny models who starve themselves that are usually on those covers. You don't look like her and eat like crap unless you have a really good metabolism. I'd bet my money on it that this girl eats healthy and does at least a bit of exercise. That is what the normal woman should be doing, and that is what we should be promoting.

Don't act like those super skinny models are on a healthy diet, because a HUGE portion of them are not. They might not have an eating disorder, but they by no means eat a healthy intake of food. And typically these models are significantly under the recommended weight. And people's perception of underweight and healthy have become interchangeable, when it is not the same thing.

And no, if you are naturally skinny, and that's just your genes and metabolism, and you actually eat healthy and are still underweight, you don't have a problem. But I sincerely don't think that's the case for the majority of models/people.

[Hannah591]

Fat/overweight, same difference.

[SarahsSummer]

Oh god. Congrats on your education thus far, your writing skills are exemplary. That's as far as I can go with the compliments though. You begin with "women DO come in all different shapes and sizes." only to then go on to discuss what is or isn't beautiful. The vast majority of women do not look like the models you speak of, nor do the vast majority of models you award as "beautiful" go through trouble and effort to be the size zero they are. Had the magazine been published in the 1600's your definition of beauty would be pushed aside in favor of artist Peter Paul Ruben's models. To put women of all shapes and sizes (average womans dress size is 12-14) in the magazine or God forbid, the cover, is the pure celebration of women, all women. who even you ascribe come in all shapes and sizes. And let's be clear, the swimsuit models are not in a sports magazine because of any great sporting accomplishments. They are there because men read it. And men have varying tastes in what they find beautiful in a woman. Women of all shapes and sizes make the world go round. It's about time women of all shapes and sizes are celebrated and empowered rather than shamed.

[AtillaTheFun]

Trying to get men to think fat chicks are attractive by showing us pictures of naked fatties. What a brilliant plan.

[SkiBum69]

@AtillaTheFun For someone to comment about "women's looks" yet hides behind a profile without a picture speaks volumes. Nobody work's out to become "beautiful" it is in the eye of the beholder. So how about you put a picture of yourself up and then comment, and let's see how you deal with the comments?

[DaniaMQ]

Wait for a sec... First of all that women isn't fat! Her body is just ok! Besides why do slim girls have to get the attention all the time? Thats not fair! They put those " plused size models " to show others that its alright to not have a perfect body, its ok if you aren't skinny, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN DONT TRY TO STAY HEALTHY! coz that DEFINITELY isn't nice... Now look at it this way... YOU aren't expecting all girls to be like that.. But us girls when we see a body that can be sooo amazing and the world sees her as " perfect" and sooo beautiful, some of us automatically wants to be like her... We ( in general, not me specifically) start starving ourselves.. OR we think that we have horrible bodies just because anything less that girl is awful.. Thats what plused sized models are all about.. Its basically saying you don't have to be slim to be beautiful! You might not like that type of body ( first picture ) but I'm SURE that other guys do like it... Believe it or not. :p they did good by putting plused sized women coz like that girls can be at least a bit more confident about their body shape ( that doesn't mean eat as much junk food and everything will be ok.. No girls 😆 )

[DaniaMQ]

I just checked what guys said, I was afraid they will agree with what you said, but now I'm so happy LOTS of them DISAGREE 😌

[Heera]

She. s not fat she. s just chubby. And I understand your point but there is a lot of work in being above average and not having cellulite or stretch marks. You don. t have to eat healthy and exercise only to be skinny but to be good looking overall. I. ve never seen a model with skin problems for exemple and do you think good looking skin doesn. t require effort? Also, her body type does not encourage obesity in any way so it. s perfectly fine.
But god damn it is so stupid that people care about the model. If I want that swimsuit they. re trying to sell I. d know anyway I. m not gonna look like that. It is really funny that the package is more important than the product.
Also I don. t see how this is a feminist move. I think it would be way better to have many more body types in magazines including males. I. d also prefer a little chubby man than a waxed shiny muscular figure honestly. But at the end of the day it doesn. t matter and no one should care about stupid magazines, they. re just a bunch of garbage articles attached to photoshopped trash. Better to choose a book.

[Heera]

by the way sorry for bad typing I couldn't find " ' these anymore

[Anonymous]

oh god what is this mess.

I agree with you on one thing, she is overweight. HOWEVER skinny women are slapped onto every cover of EVERY magazine so (blondie) isn't losing out, (larger lady) is having her chance to shine. she's selling bikinis and appealing to a wider range of women, not just the ones who are thin and honestly i don't even know why this concerns men AT ALL since the objective is to sell bikinis, not exist for your sexual needs and fantasies.

she's not promoting obesity either, some women are naturally larger or have larger thighs or breasts etc so should like to see some representation in the media and see how the bikini or swimsuit might fit THEM not some twiglet.

also those magazines that have sex on them are only discussing sex, you know, that thing most of the population of earth does, the women on the front are fully clothed so are not "objectified"( i don't think you understand what objectifying means, since your last LGBT+ sentences make no sense). women are allowed to read content discussing sex.

now stop buying ladies magazines to jack off to (the internet full of your skinny dream girls exists) and get a life. you look 40 by the way. stressing over ladies mags must really add years to your face.

[oldanddecrepid]

Sorry, but I think she is damn hot! and deserves to bless the front of any magazine!

Not sure why anyone would put her down just because she is plus size. I think it is great and honorable that these magazines reflect the diversity of body types that women have.

Just because it is not your cup of tea... you don't have to ruin for the rest of us! If you feel that strongly about it then don't buy the magazine.

For me it is nice change to see an attractive full figured woman on a magazine that should promote all types of women so young girls don't grow up thinking they have to look like a very slim model when they stand in line at the grocery store? About promoting obesity... what a load of digested food!

I think all types of beauty should be recognized and I tip my hat to SI for switching things up. I am sure there are still plenty of slim women once you get past the first page, however, this issue has a nice representation of different sized, but entirely beautiful women!

[Anonymous]

Ok I was going to support you but you called her a whale.

What I was going to say was the whole point of the swimsuit issues was to show slim curvy (old school term not new one).

It was either viewed as great fun or somewhat sexist depending on the gender talking about it.

Personally if it is going to be what it was supposed to be originally it should be with more slender women. Not super skinny unless the woman is that way and probably the more natural the woman then the better but not all men care if the woman is all natural.

This is not at all how I think women should be viewed in the real world. This is sort of fantasy for men just like women might have their fantasy lives. Back decades ago women had their playgirl

and now some women have their kdrama guys

[Good_vibes]

To the author of this article... I understand you a have a certain "image" of a woman you see to be attractive... thats perfectly okay, There are men out there that like woman even bigger than this beautiful lady on the cover and guess what? That's perfectly okay too! But just cuz you don't like something does not give you a reason or excuse to publically shame, belittle or ultimately BULLY this beautiful lady or any human being for that matter! This woman is beautiful and just as you said this magazine promotes womans beauty! not every issue they release is going to made to please you! There are many beauties in this world, tall, short, light weight, heavy weight, light skin, dark skin, short hair, long hair. There's men out there that want to see more of women like her but don't get the opportunity because anytime a woman gets the courage and the strength to actually do something like this, yhe typical shallow-minded man has to be disrespectful, and rude and put them down. She is human being she has her problems I'm sure but guess what so you? And so do I! But I'm not making you feel less of a human because I don't agree with what you are saying and I think you should do the same... just accept people for who they are! It's really not that hard to just to imagine others with feelings... what if the lady on the cover of that magazine read what you wrote? How do you think she would feel? ... just something to think about... :) by the way that lady is HOTTTT! *My personal opinion*

[Ticxel]

Great reply. Kudos

[EnglishArtsteacher]

"Think about it. Why should a beautiful woman who has gone through so much trouble and effort to be beautiful and take care of her body have to lose out to a less-than-beautiful woman who did not put in nearly as much effort as she has?"

1. "Beautiful" is a subjective noun. What YOU consider beautiful may be unattractive to someone else. I personally think Ashley Graham is more beautiful than Marisa Miller... much much more beautiful.
2. You have no evidence than Marisa Miller "worked hard" for her body. For all we know, she could be doing drugs to get thin, or she may be naturally thin, regardless of her lifestyle.

Your arguments are flawed here.