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Chivalry is Dead Because of Women, Not Men (Page 2)
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No you got tinder mix up. Tinder started out as a hookup app and was not mainstream. Basically it allowed hot girls and guys to fuck on the down low without people knowing their business. Now it's turning into a dating ap since it became mainstream.
Also you might like my take
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a27581-5-reasons-why-fewer-men-want-to-take-girls-out-on-dates-these-days
I am not BSing here , but several years a ago a young woman snarled at , then KICKED me , my " crime " ... holding the door open for her. Other men have told me they often get a sour look from women when they were simply being decent. Is there any need for that hostility?
wtf lol
@Afrochick Indeed!!!
I think a big part of this is that many women are so caught up in the whole "I'm not obligated to ((blank)) so I won't" that they're forgetting human decency.
For example, I see many women say that they ignore a guy instead of just rejecting him because "I'm not obligated to talk to him." True, true. However the good thing for you do would be to just tell him that you're not interested. No, you're not obligated to do that, but that's what a decent person would do.
I agree and I'm so happy that we did. I don't want anyone to be nice to me just because I'm a woman. I want them to be nice to me because it's common courtesy. If he's holding the door for me, but lets it slam on the guy behind me, I'm sorry, that guy's a douche, no matter how "nice" he is to me.
Nay to chivalry, yey to common courtesy in my opinion
Ummm I always get the door held for me, personally I find it respectful and everyone should do it, I know I do. Lol 2 weeks ago I went to the movies with my ex and on our way back to the car he opened the door for me and I was sort of confused because he's never rlly done THAT (with a car for) in our relationship and I asked y and he just said it felt right. I know my dad and other male family members have opened my door for me, but I think women only don't acknowledge chivalry because they weren't raised to.
I appreciate chivalry more than I can express. I always, always tell a man how thankful I am that he opened a door, gave me his jacket, or paid for my meal. I see it is a mating ritual that is overlooked and undervalued. As chivalry dies, I must say that it is not because of a man's doing. It truly is because of women. But this is obvious. Anyone who argues this is in total denial.
I'd have no problem being chivalrous if it were appreciated and not taken for granted. I worry that doing it in today's world makes you look like a chump. But if women acted like ladies again, probably men's protectiveness would take over and they would naturally start being chivalrous again.
I am really surprised a girl wrote this but I do agree.
I think incentive is the biggest reason though. If girls are exchanging nudes and hooking up with men without expecting them to commit or pay for dates then why would a different guy want to be the one who has to spend weeks or months wooing them and paying for dates in anticipation of something she was willing to do by the third encounter with guys who didn't have to spend a dime on her.
Not trying to be that girl, but a girl can like a guy so much she gives him some really soon. And she can like a guy less and choose to wait, or simply learn from her mistake with the prior guy. Not that I actually exxpect anybody to care, I get what your trying to say im js, just because I gave a cookie to some guys doesn't mean every guy i come by gets to get a cookie, if you get my drift. They might all want some, but I might only be willing to share with who Im willing to share with.
@MollyWap
I get that but its way more flattering to be the guy who gets the cookie right away without being expected to wait/work for it.
I'm still chivalrous in that I do help the old lady cross the street or hold open a door for a woman, it's just that I also hold that door open for women I'm not attracted to. I certainly would never pay for an expensive date with a woman I don't/barely know, yet that just invites abuse and can get really expensive really quickly even when she had good intentions and there was a legitimate reason things don't work out.
I love this. The best MyTake I have read.
Although I must confess I met my husband on Tinder... after tons of terrible creepy dates, he was the last guy I probably would have gone out with but he was really sweet.
Wow that's crazy!! Congrats. I had a relationship start from it too. It can work if you're picky. Do you mind me asking if you guys hooked up initially? Or did you actually date?
Thank you! :) We didn't even sit next to each other on the couch for our first few dates (which wasn't normal for me anyways.) I just felt shy right away and we dated for months before anything even happened between us. It was definitely an unusual relationship from the start. He spent every moment and dollar he had on me (also weird, I usually pay for half of everything by choice) and just courted me in a very old fashioned way!
Which is awesome. I wish more guys were like that.
They're out there and from all walks of life! Although the most I have met are from the rodeo and "agriculture" (farming/ranching) community. If you ever come to northern California, I'll start pointing them out! :)
Yeah right haha I live in the Midwest. I'm surprised they're common in Cali. I will say I have dated a lot of chivalrous men. They were at school though and grew up in smaller communities. I think whether they grew up in the city or country/outskirts makes a big difference
Absolutely! Small communities pressure boys to be gentlemen, which is a great thing. Just like they pressure girls to ladies. Well Northern CA is like another country compared to southern, Rodeo is a huuuge deal and nearly everyone farms or ranches. Kind of breaks california stereotypes but that's only SoCal with all the surfers!
so true. especially #2
guys will lie and pretend to commit and lead you on, hide the fact that they have a girlfriend, etc anything to get sex.
We let it happen tho
maybe some girls do, i for one, have never wanted to have casual sex and i make it clear to them prior to anything happening that i am only interested in being in a commited relationship but they have no conscience.
Neither have I... That's what makes it frustrating for us lol we have to deal with the consequences
and if you're like me and are super picky about looks too and find someone your type maybe twice a year, it's very hard to withhold sex and watch them walk away and get it somewhere else. you want to keep them but they make it clear that they expect sex up front.
Mmhmm.
1) I always pay whoever I'm hanging out with, eigther a bro or chick ima bang. Not for beinf chivalrous, for Kinda rubbing in their face that I can pay for any shit I want without thinking about it. Kinda why I go to same restaurant and most waitresses know me and order same-ish shit lol
2) it's not about chicks , if they try to get me in relationship. Im out lol
3) again it ain't chicks fault lol I am not gonna help out random people I don't know lol guy or girl, it's your door. Hold it urself lol Idc
People only value your strength if you show em it's yours and how much stronger you are lol
LOL " if they try to get me in relationship. Im out lol"
savage mess
Chivalry has been dead so long (my entire life at least if not a few years before that) I'm surprised it's still a word in the English language. And this is 100% accurate, especially the part where if we can get laid elsewhere without having to jump through as many hoops to do so we will.
We don't hold doors open for women cause we want to get into their pants, we do it because we respect them.
Men don't respect women anymore because women act like they don't respect themselves. Before everyone gets mad about that, just remember that showing someone courtesy and respecting them are two very different things.
One may be taken for granted but the other definitely shouldn't.
SOME men dont respect SOME women because SOME women dont respect themselves. There i fixed it. Now I'll be on my way.
@MollyWap merely a technicality
MORE FEMINAZI CRAP!!
Chivalry was only for knights toward their people, their religion and their king. It was about protecting the weak, being polite etc. The 10 commandments of chivalry can be summed up as:
Thou shalt believe all that the Church teaches and thou shalt observe all its directions.
Thou shalt defend the Church.
Thou shalt respect all weaknesses, and shalt constitute thyself the defender of them.
Thou shalt love the country in which thou wast born.
Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemy.
Thou shalt make war against the infidel without cessation and without mercy.
Thou shalt perform scrupulously thy feudal duties, if they be not contrary to the laws of God.
Thou shalt never lie, and shalt remain faithful to thy pledged word.
Thou shalt be generous, and give largesse to everyone.
Thou shalt be everywhere and always the champion of the Right and the Good against Injustice and Evil
No women here.
You take life too literally lol you know what I'm talking about. No point in even arguing with you.
The only part relating to women is respecting "the honor of women" and loving women. The first means don't rape women after conquering a village or town... Don't maim/permanently damage women etc... The second is even in the bible.
NEITHER of them mean that women should be allowed to get an education, own property, take up jobs, be allowed to choose their partners, have sex before or after marriage, enter public spaces or leave the house unnecessarily, uncover their heads, refuse their husband sex when he wants, refuse to submit to their husbands etc.
Don't misconstrue things to suit your feminazi agenda...
To make men 2nd class citizens
Im not a feminazi. And I'm not trying to manipulate anything.
You just wrote this FEMINAZI nonsense --- "it's about showing someone you want to be with them or that you can think about someone other than yourself. It's about showing appreciation and wanting someone to feel special."
Then showed a homeless woman as if knights were supposed to take peasant women in and provide them with baths. hahahaha... Your FEMINAZI myths and lies NEED to stop!!
You want to get back chivalry means you want to get back the tradition that women should be allowed to get an education, own property, take up jobs, be allowed to choose their partners, have sex before or after marriage, enter public spaces or leave the house unnecessarily, uncover their heads, refuse their husband sex when he wants, refuse to submit to their husbands etc. Where women were burned to death, executed, shaven and made to wear disgraceful clothing if they fell out of line?
Don't be silly.
I agree 100 percent with this. I dont think women understand how much power they have
it has nothing to do with power, women do not have power. Its just logical for men to not do anything when there is no point to it. Also whenever someone feels entitled to something the joy of doing something for that person goes away. The only way women can expect special treatment is if they acknowledge the fact that men are superior to them.
@alphadoggystyle so then you shouldn't do anything nice for them at all?
@alphadoggystyle omfg. Men are superior to women , ok guy
As in sex or what?
Men had incentive to do nice things for women because it was appreciated and women back then didn't have delusions of being equal to men, today so many women think they dont need a man because of government welfare and then the sexual market disparity even makes some of them think they are superior, nowadays women need to be reminded that they are inferior to men and that they shouldn't take their freedom for granted, everything you have now because of feminism ultimately happened because men allowed it to happen. no one is entitled to anything so be grateful you dont live under sharia law for example and start appreciating the average man who in reality is superior to the average woman. But due to biology and hypergamy this is unlikely to happen any time soon.
@alphadoggystyle alright well then let's compare this to race. Technically blacks wouldn't be equal with whites unless whites had let it happen, does that make them inferior to whites?
its not really the same thing, its very easy to prove with tests and statistics that men are biologically superior to women, and also for all of history women where dominated by men, never has there been a matriarchy, at least not any that survived long enough to be recorded by history. Races are not all equal either but its much harder to measure the differences since the same gender of every race are actually more similar to each other genetically than women are to men as a whole. The reason one race was dominated by another can easily be explained by circumstances due to weapons technology and natural disasters which may have halted one races development and civilization. But if you want to be technical there are some statistics that seem to indicate whites have higher intelligence than blacks on average and that blacks are better at certain sports on average (those that make heavy use of legs, due to blacks having longer legs on average).
@alphadoggystyle men aren't superior. They have their strengths, and so do women.
Wrong, men are superior to women, its fact. Deal with it.
The guy is being a sexist and racist but don't you dare compare the civil rights movement to suffragettes. None of the suffragettes even got jailed, in fact their leader DEMANDED to be jailed just like a man, and the suffragettes always got what they wanted ever step of the way but both prominent civil rights men (MLK and Malcolm X/Al Hajj Shahbaz) were killed. Even prominent actors like Samuel L Jackson were jailed and Nelson Mandela was listed as a terrorist until recently. Meanwhile a feminist got away with literally killing a guy, they get away with book burnings, pulling firearms on meetings, killing a dog and almost any other crime imaginable. On top of this they literally argue that closing women's prisons is a good idea.
@alphadoggystyle your right
I agree, men don't even want to pay for dinner when they ask you out.. it's she can pay for hers or split the bill. Like wow.. really.. that's the least you could do when you ask someone out. Your not marrying her, she ain't asking for ring or a damn house. But I totally agree chivalry is dead.. and women freaking killed it.
O and here's the typical answer.."she didn't have to say yes to the date"... you didn't have to ask if paying was such a big deal.. sigh.
I would never go on a date with a girl and let her pay! After 9 years of marriage my wife has paid for dinner maybe 5 times and we go out for a nice dinner every week. If you go out with a man he doesn't pay, take a cab home.
I dont care if that is the way it is now and it is hard to find a real man, then look harder or stay alone until you find a man that actually has a set.
At your age you cannot afford to have a man who cannot change a tire and change the oil in his or your car. This is not a joke, if he isn't industrious enough to get enough money to pay for your dinner, how is he going to raise a child? If his father did not teach him how to do basic things, he probably cannot wipe his ass.
If he cannot wipe his ass and you marry a person like this you will be stuck with the grim choice of wiping his ass every day for the rest of your life or smelling it all day.
I am dead serious, a man needs to be able to take care of business
This topic is disappointing. Blaming each other won't get you far. I'd say why not work from within? Improve your choice in meeting people and whereabouts. I've used Internet for years and got nothing but weirdos, flakes etc.
I'm ready to just go out and about and be bold by approaching women.
if you do you will succeed. I'm not saying be rude, loud or demanding, but open doors for women like you are a man who has a set and don't be afraid to actually talk to them in person like a real human being.
I pretty much agree... it makes things awkward. I'll hold a door for a lady friend, but as far as pulling chairs out for my lady friend, what am I, your waiter? I don't even do that for my wife. I mean really my lady friends would make fun of me for even attempting something so mushy.
As for paying... women pay for my dinner, no matter what. I might do the tip. ... maybe lol.
Are you kidding?
Nope.
That's horrible. Girls actually do it too?
They do if they're more than friends usually. Here and there I meet someone who will go dutch (split the bill) or we pay for our own stuff. I'm not a bread winner guy though. Stay-at-home Dad type. Women with no job are definitely not my type in general.
So a male gold digger basically lmao.
... and you laugh because of...
Females are notorious for it and make up more than 50% of that population. I'm either doing something really right or I've adapted to some new rules.
Alrighty lol way to justify being lazy👍🏼
I'll accept that... just remember you say that to a dude the next time you see it from a chick and and think it might be wise to choose to just act like it's normal.
Both sides are to blame for the status quo. Yes, you raise valid points, but there is a lot more to it.
Obviously. Lol it would take me way too long to write everything