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Chivalry is Dead Because of Women, Not Men (Page 3)
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I mean, A for Effort 👏👏 but chivalry doesn't matter because, believe it or not, everybody doesn't act one specific way. Who even cares anymore? Can we please move on from the topic of why males and females do different shit? People are different.
True but there are general trends that people follow. I didn't say people should be the same. I just said people should look at chivalry in a different light
I know what you meant. Chivalry is dead because women act a certain way. I understood fully what you were saying and i never once disagreed. But i think the matter of chivalry is so trivial at this point because women just dont need men to do that anymore so why would we pretend we do? So long as we have limbs and jobs, its not necessary for a man to be old fashioned. Im not saying your self righteous if you like a guy to do things like that and you think women like me are the problem. Its understandable really. But you just be yourself and things will work out for you how you envision them. a lot of people just think that not expecting a perfect gentleman translates to having a lack of self respect, but its just that i dont care about that kind of thing because im not the same person as you, and many men are the same as each other either. So we will all see this matter different. Js
We don't need it, but I prefer it forsure. I want to be with a guy who puts in effort and shows he appreciates me.
My last serious boyfriend was chivalrous and had good manners... And also mean as hell to me when it came down to personal intimacy.
I'll take a guy who treats me like a human being, than goes through gestures for the sake of gestures personally.
I'm not saying you can't do both, just that one doesn't equal the other.
Can I just say to men and women stop excusing this type of bullshit is someone is not nice to someone they are interest in that just show they naturally a asshole. Its not women fault or men fault. Its your fault if you can't date properly not the other person fault. If I didn't know he wasn't going to treat me decently that doesn't make it my fault he like that. Also if you not making the other person feel like you don't care there must be a reason for it.
Opinion owner. That there is what I'm talking about. The take is true , just as your view is also very true too. Between this take and your view together... That's the real answer.
@Djaaaaaay But I believe its more a person thing there a lot of people who have no remorse on how they treat people. Some are naturally are asses and then later wondering why they can't get the person of their dreams. There a reason for everything.
Opinion owner. I totally agree with that !! Living where I do , is proof of just that...
@Djaaaaaay Agree and it annoys me because ok if you don't like someone I get it but why do you have to be so rude about it or how you treat them? Karma is going to come at you sooner or later.
Opinion owner. True again!!! When you give the ultimate respect first , with a smile... You can create your own environment around you. Your personality and character will show others. If they take your kindness for weakness and deliberately act like a ass then thier teaching you just how disrespectful they really are towards others. Personally, I've never anywhere ran across anyone in favor of treating me like this with my kindness. Might have something to do with who they choose to or select other wise. Truethfully, I believe it's more a rebellious act than anything else cause generally most would like things differently.
It's true. We need to stop blaming each other for stuff because it is both of our fault. We need to give and take and be respectful to each other.
@RainbowFanGirl Exactly don't blame the other gender blame that gender. Its not women if some men choose to be asses to them. No one asks to be disrespectful and its not feminism fault it just the person being a dick.
And besides, chivalry is just common courtesy, which is what we need more of. As I said in my opinion people are becoming more apathetic and rude. It's just a kind thing to do when you open a door for someone with a heavy load or even a simple thank you. It can really brighten a person's day.
@RainbowFanGirl Exactly and people are just assfaces for no reason to anyone
@NatashaJ kinda like what you're being
someone seems like their special
You prove my point you being a assface and then blaming me for it. When 1. what I said was not offensive and 2. I'm pretty sure none of my status was targeting you so there no reason to get your panties in a knot unless it got to you because you know that's truth about yourself.
@CancerianMan81 Nevermind you either a troll or a dumbass because what I said doesn't apply I feel that way. I didn't ask you to care for how I feel about myself thanks.
no I'm going on about all the name calling you're doing
there ain't no sense in it cause all it shows me that you think you're better than anybody
and all you're doing is making it worse on yourself
cause all you're doing is showing who you really are
@CancerianMan81 No just telling you straight up your dumb and you need to stop talking if you have no idea about the topic like whether I think I'm better or not. When you don't know shit.@rainbowfangirl remember our private conversation? Cancerian is just what his name is he cancerous and probably a troll so I'm going to block his stupid ass.
@CancerianMan81 What's your issue !!
all I'm doing here is calmly talking to you and you're cussing me putting me down and where is it getting you
@Djaaaaaay he a troll just look at his name Gag needs to take these people off this site. Waste of space is comments are.
Natasha's. Yes I know !! funny how the compiling never ends . Always looking for negative reactions.
@Djaaaaaay his*
Natashaj. Yes !!
Feminism allied itself with socialism, and is reaping what it has sown. By condemning all kind acts as cynical bed ploys, it has produced a culture of insecurity where you have to be cruel and negligent just to defend your image, and where insecurity trumps any sense of moral obligation to help the less fortunate.
As long as I'm walking on this earth and other genuine guy's who repsect everybody not just women, chivalry will never be completely dead and people forget that kid's growing up were taught to respect everyone back in the early years when i was a kid now it's being excused and thrown out the window.
Chivalry is dead because women are wanting 'supposed equality'... when they already have it... so why should we open doors and stuff? women never do the same for me (excluding women perhaps over 35). They rarely say thanks... god often i get bad looks when i let a woman go past or open the door.
The moment we declare chivalry dead is the moment it truly dies. So rather than mourn the ones who are not chivalrous, let us celebrate those who are. I am chivalrous, @AleDeEurope is chivalrous. There are still some of us out there 😊
I'm the chivalrous type, but girls don't seem to really notice it or just not care. I don't know maybe it's something I'm doing or not doing haha.
No I'm sure you just haven't found the right girl yet. Keep doing what you're doing 😊
I will. Hopefully I find one soon.
I never got chivalry... If you see someone behind you, you hold the door. If you see someone struggling with something heavy, you help them carry it. That's just manners and being a half decent human being.
You didn't need a whole take to say something that, frankly, guys have been saying on this website since Day one.
I did though because guys don't think girls think about it too. Most of the girls agree with it
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WRITING THIS. ^^SMART WOMEN HERE.
I get that women want equality and i really do want women to have all the rights we have... but for once ladies... it would go such a long way if just for once in a day... you show us your femininity and let guys like me... treat you and do nice things. I really mean that. How i wish i could open a door for a girl and have her smile... even for a few seconds. :)
Sadly , even a " thanks " is very rare , smiles , rarer still !!
#FatherJack Yea... tell me about it... if only women could smile
I turned to tinder because I have no other way of meeting women.
Needless to say, it's a joke.
*sigh* oh well
Whoops, hit the button too early.
But yeah spot. on girl, great read
Thanks 😊
I'm a white knight and chivalrous to any underdog or person who needs it. That's my nature. No it doesn't get you laid but I believe in "be that what you want to see in the world"
I was at a little Caesars in my town about a year ago. This woman and her kids were coming in. It was a really really hot day, we are talking 105 plus. I held the door for her, She stood there and gawked at me. eventually she came in. i asked her later, what was with the hesitation. She explained to me that what i did was not common.
I grew up in the north but have lived in the south for almost 25 years. Holding a door for a woman of any age is pretty much the norm. It is basically all men down to the age of 3. I've had so many small boys who can hardly hold the door open with their small bodies hold the door for me. I have to say I really enjoy this perk especially when I'm tired.
10 years ago i had to talk to girls and buy them drinks and then all i would get is a slap in the face
now i just whipser "wanna fuck?" in their ear and they just follow me
why put in effort when you dont need to?
Exactly.
wanna fuck?
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Good take.
I always try to be kind to everyone, for me it just feels like a good thing to do.
But sometimes I don't know whether I will be going out of my way too much if I do something.
Maybe it is more about setting boundaries. Setting boundaries of who you will help and when eliminates some of this frustration. If you find with specific people being kind isn't going to work then you just don't offer. I personally started to have to do that because kindness can make one a doormat without boundaries. I mean I'm sure there are a lot of women who sacrifice for the men in their life and then get the raw deal too.
I think feminist movements killed it. The women want to be treated like a guy, want sex like a guy, use guys like guys use girls. They tell the guy that they are not the weaker sex, and the guys they date get this message to treat women like men. Thats what happened with my husband. His ex, was a feminist. She turned herself into a guy ten years later, and that's why my husband acts like a girl and treats me like i am the guy sometimes. Thanks feminists!!
So lets say i am chivalrous what will the woman be in return?
first of all, that's a huge problem right there. You're thinking selfishly. But anyways, if you weren't acting selfish, I would return the favor.
For instance when a guy offers to buy movie tickets, I'll offer the snacks
When my ex paid for the first few dates, I got him a super nice birthday gift and house warming present. It's about giving, not receiving
Yes. I've held doors open for men. They didn't say thank you or anything tho.
how is he being selfish for expecting something in return for being chivalrous? its you women who are being selfish for expecting chivalry without needing to do anything for the man in return, so say that you yourself reward chivalry but many women dont, some dont even like it because it makes them feel "unequal" or something. Men are done sacrificing for women, if you want to be treated like an equal then forget about special treatment.
Well in my defense, i can't go around paying for peoples food without being cautious, i will be taken advantage of sooner or later.
What you have described, that is how my friends and I treat each other because we trust each other. But to treat someone like that on a first date from a person i met on a dating app? No, there's a voice in my head that says its a bad idea.
Most likely a woman does not have sex with a guy on the first date, or the second, or third. Because she does not want to be used for sex, because it feels bad to feel used and then discarded.
A man is at risk of being used for free food if he pays for a girls food on dates, you have talked about this in your mytake. And feeling used feels bad for us too. From your point of view it is only one date, from my point of view its many, many dates with many different women before something can turn into a relationship.
I agree with what you said about doing that with a woman you met online. You know nothing about her and dating apps are kind of sketch.
However, say you met someone on the street and you really liked how they were interacting with people, attractive etc. You ask her on a date and want to impress her. So most likely you'd pay for her meal, right?
Some women do sleep with men on the first date. Just like some men don't pay for the first date. I choose my standards, as do you. Do you want a woman who respects herself and knows what she deserves?
I'm not materialistic person, but I would not be with someone who wouldn't pay for a first date. It has nothing to do with money, but it would indicate to me that I'm not worth it to him.
@puppylove94 well to be honest, i am not really interested in making people impressed. And i am toi shy to ask girls out on the street. If i am friends with this girl then i can pay for her food yes but she would probably ask to split the bill because thats how we do that here most of the time.
I always offer to split the bill too. The guy usually doesn't let me though. Where are you from?
Im from Belgium.
Ah well I've never been there. Is feminism pretty big over there?
I asked my mom and she said "isnt that outdated?". there's probably feminists here. And my mom says when her and my dad were younger that they also always split the bill and that it was common here.
What s outdated?
@RainbowFanGirl feminism my mom says. My mom is a stay at home mom now but she has has her own company once, now she owns a cat shelter and an ironing business lol.