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"That's true for all riots unfortunately. You aren't in danger, stop freaking out. The last thing we need is "white schools" (whatever those are, this was a reference in a post I read on a website.)"
Dude. There's a reason why any black city you can name will have a horribly high murder rate. Get with reality.
So you believe we are in danger? You believe we do need white schools? Plenty of inner city kids went to my high school. Not one murder occured. Not. One.
I think any white parent that voluntarily sends their kid to a majority black school is guilty of child abuse.
@RationalMale I certainly don't think it will be the best place for the kid. Most majority black schools are in more impoverished areas, so across the spectrum crime will be more of an issue.
Interestingly enough though, more inner city kids in your average school doesn't make the school any more violent. So you could argue there are other factors at play here. There were black gang members at my school, and there were also white gang members at my school. Super fucked up kids that I'm sure have gone on to do nothing.
@RationalMale I don't usually bring this up unless as a last resort in an argument, but it's a fair point so I'm going to make it.
Mass shootings in the US. How many perpetrated by blacks, and how many perpetrated by whites?
I think you'll find the amount of mass shootings white people have perpetrated FAR out numbers the number black people have perpetrated.
@RationalMale my point is that there is a lot of gang violence in a lot of these more run down areas, and a lot of these run down areas tend to have a higher African American population. Fact.
But in terms of mindless random violence, whites seem to commit those sorts of acts more often.
Let me introduce a fact or two since you don't believe in sources.
You want to talk homicide? According to the FBI, blacks and whites committed almost the same amount of homicides in the USA in 2014. ucr.fbi.gov/.../...ce_and_sex_of_offender_2014.xls
See, problem is... there are 5 times as many whites as there are blacks in the USA. Yet the total number of homicides is almost the same. Meaning blacks commit homicide at roughly 5x the rate of whites.
@RationalMale again, many of those homocides were related to gang violence. If you aren't in a gang and avoid bad neighborhoods, you aren't likely to be affected by gang violence.
I'm not doubting that the homicide rate is higher. But the chance that you or I will be out and about and be attacked by an insane white man with an assault weapon is far higher then the chance that you or I will be murdered by a black person.
The question is what the types of homicide were. Were they random unprovoked homocides or gang violence related. That chart doesn't specify.
I love how you pull "facts" out of your ass without providing any sources.
Lucky for you, I actually did do some research on mass shootings. Educate yourself.
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a23901-busting-racist-stereotypes
@RationalMale this was the only source I could find covering the issue. It seems accurate.
www.statista.com/.../
I can't prove that most of those homicides were gang violence. Can you prove to me that most of those homicides were?
That doesn't even list arab... so it's blaming white guys for things like Fort Hood or the Orlando Massacre or the Boston Bombings.
Actual sources, AKA the FBI, show that blacks commit homicide at at least 5x the rate of whites.
@RationalMale you bring up wanting data and statistics you link me to a MyTake where some cherry picked examples are listed.
Also, keep in mind gang violence can still be classified as "mass shooting" if four or more people are killed.
Even if whites aren't the primary perpetrator, you can't possibly argue blacks go on shooting sprees more often. For being such a violent race of people, they don't seem to cause violence randomly more then any other race.
Gang violence is a completely different story.
@RationalMale by the way, that's not me saying violent race. That's what you seem to think. There's really no evidence of this.
There's plenty of evidence blacks are especially violent. Name a majority black city and it will have a high crime rate or a brutal as fuck police force. Why do you think the Chicago PD has a bad reputation? They're in a jungle warzone where the residents don't know it's not the Congo. About 3000 shooting victims so far. https://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/
You keep saying gang violence... so I'm guessing only blacks join gangs and murder people? LOL
@RationalMale as that chart clearly shows, you are a good four times more likely to be killed by a white person then a black person. So why are you worrying about the black population. Your chances of being killed by either are infintesimal, but if you are going to worry worry about being killed by a white person.
@RationalMale if you had a basic understanding you would understand the reason minority communities tend to have less money. Communities with less money tend to have more gangs. Has nothing to do with race. But communities with less money tend to have very few white people in them, so of course white people don't join gangs as often.
@GoldMeddle you are aware... there are nearly twice as many white Americans living in poverty as there are black Americans in poverty, right?
Maybe if you had an education you would understand.
And logic also says that because of the concentration of black populations in cities, where whites are very few, plays a big role in why there isn't more black on white murder than there is now. Why do you think White Flight is an issue?
@RationalMale I haven't verified that stat, but I'll use it for the purposes of this discussion. Twice as many white people live in poverty as black people. That proves there is no racial disparity. Right? Wrong.
There are about 4-5x as many white people living in America as there are black people. If there were the same number of white people and black people that would prove there is a racial disparity unfairly affecting whites. If there were twice as many white people that would prove there is no racial disparity. (that only makes sense, if there are 2x as many white people as black people and white and black people are equally likely to be impoverished, there would be double the number of impoverished whites.)
Correct me if I'm wrong (statistics is a difficult subject for me), but if there were 4X as many white people that would mean equality is achieved when there are 4X as many impoverished whites.
@RationalMale My argument was you are not in danger. You are not in danger. Hypothetically if there were more white people in black neighborhoods could black on white crime be higher- hypothetically yes. But that works both ways. Hypothetically if there were more white people in black neighborhoods, there could be more white on black crime as well. Any time two different races mix and mingle there will be more interactions of any sort between those races.
But this is all hypothetical, because my original point still stands- YOU aren't in danger. The only white people in danger are those stupid enough to go somewhere they shouldn't. The sorts of people that go out of there way to get themselves into a dangerous situation. The average white person is not in danger. Even if your hypothetical example has merit to it, there aren't more white people in black neighborhoods.
It's not possible for a pigment in the skin to increase violent tendencies. It just isn't.
@GoldMeddle
I worked security... the only time I had weapons pulled on me was with black guys.
I am not in much danger, because I live outside in the suburbs. The reality is that when I go into the city to work, a minority of crimes are committed by white people and the majority of crimes are committed by blacks. The reality also is that if I am walking down a sidewalk at night, I am statistically in far more danger from the black guy than the white guy.
Honestly I would think anyone carrying a big gun in plain sight is up to no good and be paranoid and fuck around them. Though in the videos I was honestly more paranoid of the first dude than of the 2nd dude.
I was more paranoid of the first dude as well. He was dressed more formally, but that describes a lot of mass shooters. And most mass shooters have been white. But yeah, I would be nervous around either one of them.
For me how the first dude talked, his face expression, and just the vibe he gave off was creepy. Plus how he was kind of dodging the cops questions made it worse.
Now with the second dude he seems more chilled but still having a big gun like that is still going to make me nervous. Though seeing how when the cops told him to get down he did everything the cop said perfectly. Even with the dude saying on the ground that made me feel less scared. Since that seemed like they weren't trying to cause trouble.
Open carry is deemed a right in some places... until a non white does it. See Tamir Rice in Cleveland, practizing open carry with a toy gun.
And two other kids were shot by OH cops. Black kids with a toy gun... In an "open carry"state.
12 yr old Tamir Rice was shot in a few seconds in Cleveland OH. Black kid, toy gun.
Do open carry laws specify skin color?
@jacquesvol If it looks like a gun most people will just freak out and act first before thinking logically.
@jacquesvol he made a quick movement for the gun.
@Thisperson98 A 12 yr old kid with a toy!
@jacquesvol it looked like a real gun. Also stop acting like 12 year old kids can't kill people.
@Thisperson98 Tamir Rice was shot in an open carry state.
@jacquesvol it doesn't care if it was a open carry state or not, he was not even carrying the gun, he was swinging it around before the cops got there.
@Thisperson98 A kid!
@jacquesvol so you are saying that 12 year old kids can't kill people?
@Thisperson98 It could (and will) happen exceptionally but to think it's likely to happen and just shoot them at sight because of that VERY remote possibility is criminal.
Any adult guy in the street openly carrying a weapon can draw it and shoot someone unexpectedly.
Any adult guy in the street can conceal a weapon and shoot someone unexpectedly too.
Who is going to shoot these these at sight?
@jacquesvol sure, tell that to the police officers who get shot.
@Thisperson98 Tell it to the parents of the children who get shot. "Sorry, but your little boy had a toy gun, thus we shot him because we heard another little boy shot someone."
Three kids in Ohio in a few years...
@jacquesvol it should be, "I am sorry but you son was swinging a object that looked like a gun, then he tried to grab it when we arrived."
@Thisperson98 "It looked like a gun, thus we executed him right away."
@jacquesvol I am sorry, but should they wait for them to be shot first and have another police officer be killed?
@Thisperson98 Being shot during an intervention can happen, that why they can wear Kevlar vests. But their use of deadly fire should not be based on a "shoot first and ask questions later" principle. Not on "preventive fire" but on selective fire in self defense.
Preventive fire is plain paranoia.
@jacquesvol I am sorry but there is too many cops dying out there. If they stopped using lethal force when they suspect they would be shot, more would die. And last time I checked vests don't protect the neck.
@Thisperson98 ". If they stopped using lethal force when they suspect they would be shot, more would die." as I said, "preventive fire" rather than selective self defense fire and based on... , on what? On ethnic profiling. :-( Just try to imagine black officers starting that.
@jacquesvol black officers do the same thing as other officers. And if he was white two things would have happened,
First he would have still been shot
Second no news network would care
@Thisperson98 The stats show many more unarmed blacks than whites get shot by cops than their representation in population stats.
@jacquesvol also you should adjust it for the respectable crime rates and it will paint a different picture.
@Thisperson98 No: you're NOT justified to shoot unarmed persons because of what similarly looking persons are SUPPOSED to have done. Think about that.
@jacquesvol were did I say that? I am saying they are a more likely to cause a issue for the police compared to a white person.
@Thisperson98 That's no excuse for shooting unarmed persons.
@jacquesvol I am not saying it is, but I am saying it is why you can't just say there is more blacks that are killed compared to their population.
@Thisperson98 It is about *unarmed* blacks being killed.
@jacquesvol "unarmed" doesn't equal no danger. And how do you know they are unarmed? You can't be sure, until the situation is over if they were armed or not.
@Thisperson98 "You can't be sure, until the situation is over if they were armed or not. "
That's no longer self defense.
That's that preventive shooting again: "Shoot them , just because they're looking... and they MIGHT BE armed".
What do you mean white people haven't been good to other races?
im Magyar and im white af, my ancestors never owned slaves, mine were slaves.
plus my family was separated before i was born and some were killed:/
If we have a discussion about race this discussion should include more races than whites and blacks. And that includes mixed race people. We're never recognized. Let's have a discussion about that.
@Relentless_Hippie I agree completely, but I wasn't about to tackle every race issue in one MyTake. This MyTake was more black and white (no pun intended). But absolutely mixed race people should have a say as well
I understand, it just seems when it comes to black and white people there is a great amount of strife. I don't understand why but it breaks my heart. Race issues seriously make me depressed.
Me too.
I very much agree. Other races are left out too often, and it isn't fair. Though a particular subject may not relate to you directly. It's not right for one side to assume if it does or does not directly affect you.
It's all BS... small groups just use it to get ahead/get special treatment.
That's oversimplifying it a little...
Not really, Women do it all the time and all the "affirmative action" and employment quotas to "diversify" the work force. Basically they are forcing employers to pick "less qualified" people. I remember 20=yrs ago in my school class when the teach asked the students (girls boys) thier SAT's and said the girl and/or minority with a lower score has a better chance at getting in than a white male... everyone was shocked. I think that is the main reason there is resentment/prejudice/racisms in the US today.
I bet if they did the same thing with professional sports those "Groups" would have a heart attack.
There's some racism but nothing like what the left is implying. Divide and conquer is the main strategy of the left.
Include every race so that we can talk
I said non white. What am I supposed to do, list every single race every single time. I thought that would be sufficient.
And I'm not about to cover every single racial conflict in a single MyTake. That would be lunacy and a complete mess.