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"Being a Christian often means that you have a truly changed heart. You do good things, because you believe that God calls you to do them. You are led by the Holy Spirit."
People who are non-religious do good things because it's the right thing to do, not because we're afraid of being sent to Hell for NOT doing good things.
"Being a Christian often means that you are constantly exploring yourself."
You mean accepting everything on faith as God's will? Non-religious people are more likely to actually seek out answers about our universe using science, observation, and reason, rather than burying our head in the sand and saying "the Bible says XYZ, so it must be true."
Religion began as a way to explain things that have since been explained by science. A big storm came and wiped out our crops? We must have angered the god (s). Lightning? Zeus is pissed at us. Drought? Let's do a rain dance to please the gods. It eventually became a way of controlling the masses (organized religion).
and what civilization thought like this? do you honestly think that Egyptians, romans or sumerians were that ignorant?
@Bobbyhill1 Well, those cultures did believe in their gods, so what's your question? The Greeks called upon Poseidon for safe passage when they sailed.
@Bobbyhill1 Define ignorant in the context of your question.
lol, its the same as religion is used today. I suppose you also think they thought the world was flat?
they werent ignorant when it came to science, architecture, agriculture or social issues
@Bobbyhill1 So are you saying that ancient civilizations didn't actually believe in the gods they claimed to worship?
it is used just as it is today, to control people. Things didn't change, same people same old methods.
I was taught love is what every religion speaks of, maybe i was taught wrong. I have looked at a few religions close enough to see similarites between tthem. We dont need more churches we need more good people doing good things. Some of the most hateful people i have ever meant attend church every Sunday and Wednesday and i say hateful because what kind of parents cast out their own son just because he's gay?
You may see people going on the Atkins diet or the Paleo diet or what-have-you diet. You may see people buying special-brand clothing or going gluten-free. Listening to God may help you conform to God's standard and not be so easily pressured by popular culture.
Maybe' people do these things (out side of brand clothing but for some it is true) because they're true. I don't need Jesus to tell me not to eat gluten, my toilet tells me that
Going to a place that worships a fairy tale won't teach me any of these things.
Hard work and perseverance will.
I don't need to conform to "God's standards" to be a good person. My morals are completely different from someone else's, and that's okay. Everyone is unique, and has the potential to be great. That's really all that matters. God has nothing to do with anything. Stop trying to force your beliefs.
I don't think church would be such a good place for me to be. I could just see it now.
Oh my god who let the fucking Whore in here? Deacon hurry up and tell her she isn't welcome here!!
Half the men in the congregation would fall to their knees and pray. Oh dear god please don't let my wife find out I fucked her.
That's OK I'll pass.
Not for me. I don't mind it if others need/want religion, but it's not for me. You can do all of the things listed above without Christianity. Also, I do not want to conform to your God's standard. I aim to be a good person, not because your god wants me to, but because it's what we should do as humans. I want to be a good person so I do that for me and the people around me.
They need to go now. Some people when they hear "church" they are automatically ready to bring christ and put the religion down. But no baby there is more to this world and many options to choose out of. This world is built in a versatile way not to hear lazy people lie and make an excuses and blame others on why they're not making a specific decision.
I don't always agree with Onision, but I rather am a good person who doesn't need to be reminded by a holy ghost to be a good person than some brainwashed Christian who doesn't know sh*t about their own holy book.
Onision is a dumb ass
he's just funny other then that he is wrong about a ton of things
I've seen his videos
@relaxrelax
Okay, go pray to your holy ghost and keep thinking that rockers are bad people, you won't change my opinion.
why would I think rockers are bad people ughh
where did you get that idea lol
let me teach you
genesis 6:4
There were GIANTS on the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
do some research on
giant foot prints,
giant skeletons ,
egyptian giants,
giant history
there's sooooo many stories
hun GOD loves everyone but just like a parent he has rules, and its okay to mess up he loves you either way, he just wants you to accept him, and love him back
he is not looking for perfection its not possible
@relaxrelax
My wonderful desk mate, hardcore Christian, tried to convince me and a classmate who is a super big fan of rock music that we secretly have bad desires, when in reality that girl wants to become a vet and I can't even kill a random spider in my room without feeling guilty. And this always comes from die-hard Christians, not only him.
Also, have you heard of archeologists and dinosaurs?
i need you to understand most christians don't understand the bible
they believe on faith alone
but they never actually study the book itself
i was like that once
but now I've been studying this book and many others for 3 to 4 years so I have a lot of answers to things
not everything but you can ask me and I'll answer best i can if you want
@relaxrelax
"i need you to understand most christians don't understand the bible
they believe on faith alone" aka they were taught by their parents this bs and now they follow it because "this is how it is". Religion was created in the times when human beings' average IQ was 50 and couldn't understand why it rains. Then more intelligent humans realized that they could control the dumb by making them believe in all this crap, and this is how a religion is born. ^^
hun nooooooo
you are making claims yes people do use people
that's been around for a long time
but you are not giving an answer to the question that everyone ask at point
WHERE DID WE COME FROM?
and don't say evolution cause that has been taught for thousands of years and never proven
@relaxrelax
evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution
This sounds more plausible than becoming homo sapiens from dust by an eenee-miny-minie-mo from a daddy in the skies...
now im gonna ask you one simple question have you ever seen an animal become something other then its kind
if you have show me
@relaxrelax
Here you go: www.quantamagazine.org/.../
no I want to see it in real life i want a video and don't say it takes millions of years cause now you are going into a belief, prove what you are saying, i believe there where giants on the earth in the past
and we have the giant bones to prove it, the stories to prove, the foot prints
they say dinosaurs transformed to birds
they say monkeys became humans
they say women came first then men
prove it
cause all I have ever seen is birds give birth to birds
whether
big. small, no hair, a lot of hair, long nose, short nose, but at the end there still birds
let me show you something
romans 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things EVOLUTION IS NOTNEW
evolution isn't new its thousands of years old
the human always repeats itself
romans 1:24
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator
you have never seen anything evolve in front of your eyes ever, and I have looked trust me i use to believe in evolution now its a joke
@relaxrelax
Does it sound more logical to have Moses live 950 years and fuck his cousins to populate Earth?
And no one said that one sex came before the other, we evolved from mammals, which are drosophila types.
everyone in the ancient pasted lived almost 1000 years its not just the bible that talks about this
study your ancient history they talk about living until 700 to 800 some of them say they lived 1100 years, and its not one person there are soooo may accounts of long life spans in the ancient past that just sound crazy but there telling the truth about giants so are they telling the truth about there age? think about
and moses did not live that long lol
@relaxrelax
Okay bro, you still didn't convince me.
im not here to convince you
im just gonna speak the truth
and to those who study and listen good to them
to those who stay ignorant im just gonna laugh at
Onison is really stupid.
Tbh I'd rather spend my Sunday's doing something other then going to a building with a pointy roof and talking to imaginary friends with a load of other crazies, but if that floats your boat matey then whatever.
I stopped going to church because my church demonized my loved ones who had no choice to be born gay, while covering up and perpetuating the molestation of innocent children.
Too many American church leaders are hypocrites and so much focus so much on sexuality (often while doing the opposite of what they preach) and very little on money grubbing and greed (which Jesus had quite a bit to say about)... a blatant American affliction.
I believe many of the things you say, but have become very jaded about the "power" system of churches - which are borne of human effort. I will meditate and read the Bible, volunteer and pray.
There's a reason why churches are dying in the world not just America. It doesn't make sense anymore. There are fewer churches in the world and it will only become fewer and fewer, which says something on the religions that take place there, and there are more mosques being built in the world and it will only get more and more, which also says something about Islam. So my whole point is that Islam the right religion and people from all over the world converting to Islam everyday is a good reason why it is, And Christians are becoming less and less everyday also for a reason. Just don't believe non-sense on tv and internet about Muslims and be open minded and look for answers from good Muslims, unlike christiany and society in western countries where if you don't about something you become open minded.
I'm sorry but so many of these muslim arabs are having 6+ children who grow up in the worst possible environments and follow in their uneducated parents' footsteps. Blindly following a religion they have no clue about. This doesn't say much about the spreading of islam. Be realistic. It's more like cancer spreading than anything else.
@Glue-Sniffer Be realistic? You saying that that about Muslims only proof you don't know anything about Islam. You can be open minded and really read or listen about Islam from reliable sources or be ignorant and stick to your non-sense. I've read about Christianity and it didn't make sense, and rad about Islam and it's the only thing that made sense and can't be proven wrong by science.
Yeah? Well then read on all the scientific errors in the quran. And all the nonsense hadith circulating out there. Then come back and we'll talk. okay?
@Glue-Sniffer You try and find one error and then come and tell me. You can't find any. There's not one error in the Quran, but yet there are a lot in the Bible. Now go ahead and show me one error.
Oh my! Stop blindly repeating what you heard and actually crack the book open and read it!
Here is a website :
wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran
@Glue-Sniffer If you mean the Quran then I read it everyday by the way. You are the one who needs to read and not from online articles, you have to buy the book.
Please just go read the article. It gives you the suras and the verses.
@Glue-Sniffer And all those so called errors you linked are ridiculously stupid. You can look up errors in the Bible too. You can find errors in anything if you simply hated it, but the errors in your link isn't proofed scientifically well. And most of the stuuf mentioned isn't even from the Quran. I told you to read from reliable sources.
I am a Christian and I am faithful to my religion. But I don't regularly attend church. But when I go to church i pray with full dedication and purpose. Whether people like to go the church regularly is for them to decide. And those who are not christian are also God's children and they should follow the beliefs of their own religion. Ultimately people of all religions and those who are not relegious are God's children.
Religion ether bring wars and conflicts or it brings stupidity (most religious persons are borderline retarded not all but most). No religion is not talking love and peace, if you hear love and peace its not cos of religion but cos of person that i saying it... Just look trough history and trough influence religion have on people. Its not positive in any way and if you think its positive and want to argue just open your eyes...
Omg kill me. More brainwashing more ignorance more people defensive over something they have no proof for more unjust situations.
Just downvote me if you already are pissed 😊
Don't bother arguing either...
study your history its real
@relaxrelax how about you study your history... hypocrite.
Damn many of you Christians are so self centered!
Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
do research on giant foot prints, giant skeletons, egyptian giants, study and test all things
approved unto GOD
@relaxrelax give me legit links.
If science proved it there would be less atheists/ non religious people!
i can't too low xper
just go to google and put giant foot prints and go to images there's a ton of evidence
and that's for you too search out yourself
there's
skeletons
stories
sarcophagus
giants and giraffe
there is even still sightings of giants in other parts of the world and here in america
from what i know GOD made sure to have them killed, they caused too many issues in the past i wouldn't want some 12 to 14 foot giant person trying to kill the human race
this is the reason the earth is flooded you know that right?
@relaxrelax invest in a science book.
hun you are 15 i went through high school already, plus more schooling then you,
plus I've been studying this for 3 to 4 years you just don't want a GOD to exist to bad hun you are accountable, the amount of evidence is crazy , he made it obvious
@relaxrelax that doesn't mean your ability to comprehend is higher than mine...😊
I was self religious when I was little. I read tons of Christian books until I went to the library and got a book based on multiple religions... Then I became a skeptic
hun i can explain most of the religions in general
some are lies,
some come from giants,
and most come from the fallen angels that raped the women of the earth,
stuff like this takes years of study honestly, some is easy to believe cause of the evidence while other stuff is a little harder
like most people believe the earth is billions of years old
yet there's only 10,000 to 6000 years of human history written after that there's nothing
as if the human race never existed
and they use carbon dating
potassium argon dating
lead 204 dating
lead 206 dating
and so on
yet when you study the dating methods there are a ton of issues with them
even evolutionist admit that its not a perfect method of actually dating something
cause when you date something it should give an approximate age, but the numbers are crazy
and etc
@relaxrelax humans
Have existed around 200,000 years.
Get your facts straight.
get me written documented ancient history account that says 200,000 years have pasted
there's not a single one
I've looked the oldest supposed accounts are egyptian and people are extremely skeptical about the egyptian calender cause it makes no sense honestly
like the original calender is 2 years and 5 days back and instead of 365 days its 360 days a year
so what was suppose to happen in 2012 actually happened in 2010 and 2010 was weird strange stuff happened
Thomas Aquinad proved God. His writings are there for anyone to read. If atheists got their heads out of their asses and actually studied them instead of addressing only straw man that continue to get parroted until everyone believes that they are true, they would see that belief in God absolutely is logical and justifiable.
@JRICHARDS1996 he proved god? Then Stephen Hawking disproved god!
@Prettyapathetic Agree 😊
No. We don't need more religion, blinding people with ignorance, we need more science and better communities
wrong there's enough science in the bible
The same science that gave us the redefinition of gender? So much for being a pillar of objective truth. As far as I am concerned, science sold out for the sake of political correctness and now has no more credibility than it did during the medieval period.
@relaxrelax There's very little science in the bible
@JRICHARDS1996 Don't think anyone said that science did that. That's probably psychology's fault (and technically if you're trans you have a disorder, so I fail to see how science did anything there, I'm pretty sure that was mainly society.)
I believe that sex and gender are different (i. e. one is biological, one is a social construct), but that's because of people I know and my personal beliefs, not because of something science has "proved."
okay ill show you
genesis 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
do some research on
giant foot prints,
giant skeletons,
egyptian giants
giant history
its all over the place you just have to look
genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the FOUNTAINS of the great DEEP broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened
study the fault lines they go through out all the earth there all connected
and study the oceans under the earth where do you think all this water came from
it came from under ground, GOD cracked the earth and the water came up, the earth is covered in 70 to 80% water
now where did all the water come from and don't say it came from rain
cause that's only a few feet
@relaxrelax are you actually serious? Every single example of giant foot prints, giant skeletons, and egyptian giants have been proven to be hoaxes, so there's no giant history.
@relaxrelax genesis 7:11
study the fault lines they go through out all the earth there all connected: TRUE
and study the oceans under the earth where do you think all this water came from: FALSE, THERE'S MAGMA UNDER THE EARTH'S CRUST
it came from under ground, GOD cracked the earth and the water came up, the earth is covered in 70 to 80% water: NOPE, OH MY GOD NO
now where did all the water come from and don't say it came from rain
cause that's only a few feet; COMETS AND ASTEROIDS www.smithsonianmag.com/.../
Fair enough. Psychology is the most likely the true culprit here for the redefinition of gender and nonsensical LGBT propaganda, but the point still stands that our objective pillars of knowledge and higher learning are losing credibility. They are selling out to accommodate an agenda in the name of politics. I say that not to support religion, but to discredit the amount of blind faith that people place in these disciplines which is like religion.
massive ocean discovered under earth google it
GENESIS 7
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up
GOD CRACKED THE EARTH these are the fault lines they have erosion marks
https://www.mapsofw orld. com/world-maps/maps/fault-lines-map. jpg
https://upload.wikime dia. org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Kluft-photo-Carrizo-Plain-Nov-2007-Img_0327. jpg
there's no way comets or asteroids could fill a single ocean even all of them combine
would probably only make a few lakes there's only estimated 200+ comets and asteroid that hit the earth and most are very small and there spread through out all the earth there not all connected
evidence for your claims would be nice
but i studied it out already before you did
cause I don't just believe what people say i test everything I test everything
plus you are 15
@relaxrelax The "oceans underground" are just water saturated rocks, I looked it up. What a load of rubbish.
The reason the fault lines have erosion marks is because they grind up against each other every day, which wears them down.
Comets contain mainly ice (which, drum role please, melts into water) as ateroids also contain water vapor. There's also a chance it formed on the Earth at the same time as the rocks, which happens with many planets in the solar system. Here are two links I suggest you read all the way through.
www.smithsonianmag.com/.../?no-ist
www.iflscience.com/.../
no there are large amounts of water under the earth, people can say whatever they want one group says no the other group says yes
i know they rub together but what made the crack to begin with?
it didn't just pop up out of no where
i mean it goes through out all the earth
something happened that caused the earth to crack it wasn't there to begin with
and please stop the biggest crater we have is only 1/3 the size of New York and
New York is tiny to begin with
and that's the biggest one the rest are smaller, so even with the 200+ craters we have it would not even make an ocean you can look for yourself
look at NEW YORK and zoom out and look at the oceans you think 200+ ice rocks did that no it was GOD
https://www.go ogle. com/maps/search/google+map/@44.1097864,-88.445676,3z
@relaxrelax Read. The. Fucking. Links. Jackass.
Answer to your plate techtonics question.
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...model_n_5104087.html
i know about the plate tectonics
they need to add millions of years too do pangea
we only have 6000 to 10,000 years of written history good luck with that
its a joke cause the truth is
if you take out the water from the ocean there is dirt underneath
the land isn't just floating around, all of it is connected
on top of that there is 70+ cities under the ocean
i mean its common sense this world was flooded
70 to 80% water covers the earth its not a little bit
see i have a different theory
you see all those asteroids and comets
Vredefort Crater. Asteroid impact date: Estimated 2 billion years ago
Sudbury Basin. Asteroid impact date: Estimated 1.8 billion years ago
Acraman Crater. Asteroid impact date: Estimated 580 million years ago
i believe they all came down on the same day and cracked the earth cause all the craters are near the fault lines, and the water came up from undergorund and killed everything
its simple provable and there's visual evidence
@relaxrelax Are you... are you fucking serious?
@relaxrelax It doesn't occur to you that the Earth being hit by a very big chunk of rock, very hard and fast, might cause fault lines, rather than the other way around?
Today's xkcd comic, number 1732 has a wonderful, but scary time-line. It has writing invented 3500-3000BC (between 5.5 and 5 thousand years ago).
@goaded
that's exactly what i said lol
@relaxrelax OK, I read it as saying they came down by the fault lines, not the other way around, my bad.
But, why do the scientists think they came down at the times they say, and why do you think they are wrong?
@goaded
they like to use dating methods
with c-14
or potassium argon
or lead
and plenty of other ones which honestly are exactly the same sometimes they just give it a different name
but the method is flawed this seal is only a few years old and it died and they dated it why is it 1300 years old huh!!!
www.wiseoldgoat.com/.../Slide0225.jpg
them we have two frozen mammoths side by side
one was 10,000 years older then the one next to it
yet there side by side
if you research this stuff you start to realize it doesn't actually give a date it gives random numbers, so i don't use it
basically if a human didn't put a date on it
with other towns or cities verifying the date
its up in question
cause right now the max we have for actually written and dated history is 10.000 years MAX
most dates only reach 5000 to 6000 years
3500 B. C. Earliest recorded Sumerians of Mesopotamia
Christ was 2000 years ago
so that's only 5500 years of history
egyptian dates go back 10,000
@goaded
so when i hear ohhh 20,000 years ago I don't believe it
either there pushing there agenda or believe a lie
I've been studying this for years now anyone thats gonna debate me better get ready
I study almost everyday
@relaxrelax My generation''s version was "Chariots of the Gods", by Von Däniken. Or Battlestar Galactica.
Dating methods aren't perfect, true, but they do work well within certain parameters. Are you sure the carbon dating error was in 1971? Do you think the technology hasn't improved since the most powerful computer in the world had less than a millionth of the power your phone has now?
@goaded
the reason I don't believe it is cause
if you search it out it goes from 1940s up until the 2000s
and there are still having issues
i remember reading a post that was from i think 2008 or 2009
about the dating of a mammoth found, and people with to go date it
each with there own method
they all came back with dates that where millions of years off
one was like 280,000,000 and another was 191,000,000
i mean it too much
but me I believe the earth is only 6000 years old
and history goes back 5500 based off the text
whats worse being 500 years off
or being 100,000,000 years off
which one would you trust more?
@relaxrelax This really is like a walk through Answers in Genesis' greatest hits.
I suspect you want to keep this going until I get frustrated enough to walk away so you can declare victory, but I'll keep going for a while longer.
OK, so you're not going to accept evidence from carbon dating.
How about the concept that the deeper something is buried, the earlier it was buried?
@goaded I'll help you occasionally. I just don't have the patience to argue with a moron who won't accept facts that aren't in the Bible
look i follow the evidence I don't care where it leads me, but i come to my own conclusion
I don't let anyone decide it for me
unless they have more evidence, that can change my mind
now as for the geologic column
the man named CHARLES LYELL
created the book called (principles of geology) in 1830
he and a few others created the geologic column
digfieldschool.org/.../StrataColumnRayTroll.jpg
now during this time,
there was no carbon dating,
lead dating,
uranium dating
etc
they picked the numbers out of the clear blue sky they made shit up
now there this thing called hydrologic sorting
if you get dirt, water, and add bones, and different sediment
shake it place it down and it will automatically sort itself out based on density and many other factors
now lets look at the geologic column with a global flood perspective
clams are at the bottom cause that's where they live and they can't move very fast in the first place
then we have fish, whales, and many other sea like creatures
now what killed them are Turbidity currents you can look that up yourself
now as for the land animals there not the smartest in the world some where even eating in a group and hit all at once that's why you see graveyards of certain dinosaurs all packed together
now birds they would fly until the gas runs out
and humans would go to the highest place they could find to survive
until eventually the water came up high enough and killed them
WHALES FOUND IN DESERT now they will give you a different answer that makes no sense if you read it, my answer is more simple there was a flood and they died and now there in the desert fossilized, DOES IT LOOK LIKE THERE IS ANY WATER CLOSE BY IN A DESERT NO
it was a global flood
globalnews.ca/.../
@relaxrelax Interesting hypothesis.
So, now we need to think of some ways the hypothesis could be falsified, right? Famously, someone said that the fossil record would be falsified by finding a rabbit fossil at the Cambrian level. There must be something like that for your hypothesis.
"shake it place it down and it will automatically sort itself out based on density and many other factors"
So, would you expect land plants to appear high up in the column? Wood and leaves tend to float, after all. On the other hand, firmly rooted trees might stay attached to the ground. What do you think?
Also, how does you hypothesis explain why there are so many distinct layers?
@goaded
the flood was around for a year some say a little more
but the ground would soften up cause of the water so that would cause a lot of dirt and ground movement
eventually it would form into layers and also bend solid rock
creationsoapbox.files.wordpress.com/.../...ain.jpg
and i have no issue with the geologic column honestly
the only issue i have is the amount of years they put on the things
they believe billion and millions of years
i believe one big flood
@relaxrelax OK, but you didn't say how someone could disprove your hypothesis, so you're holding yourself to a lower standard than the scientists hold themselves to. That's what makes their theories scientific, and your hypothesis an opinion.
@goaded
there theories
are just theories also
they say the moon came off the earth lol
they come up with theories and its dumb
the moon is supposedly 2000 miles in diameter almost as big as the US
where is the HOLE or HUGE crater for the breaking of the moon there is ZERO
its a theory with only one piece of evidence and the evidence is so dumb
and can be faked so easily, i can do it
you gotta understand I don't do theoretical stuff
there has to be some type of visual touchable evidence with the claim
like the flood my theory
comets hit the earth all at once we have the (craters) as evidence
they cracked the earth and created the (fault lines)
(water) came out from under the earth
and flooded and killed everyone
I HAVE VISUAL AND TOUCHABLE EVIDENCE FOR EVERYTHING I JUST SAID
RIGHT THERE
genesis 7
the fountains of the deep broke open
its not hard
@relaxrelax "its not hard"
No, but science is, and you're not doing science.
@goaded
so what you are saying is that what im doing has no science involved
dude you are 50
science comes in all different forms
not just one way
so you trust these guys who have nothing physical to show you all theoretical
just there words
rather then having something touchable and tangible to go off of and come to a conclusion
you love your own thoughts rather then searching for what is true
you are already close to death
you don't have much time its just a fact
if you really think there's nothing after death good luck
cause death is scary
@relaxrelax buddy, you don't have tangible, touchable things to back you up
@relaxrelax Firstly dying is scary, death is not.
Secondly, between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit.
Feel free to prove me wrong (it must be true, I read it on the internet).
@relaxrelax
Happy Birthday! (Weren't you 25 yesterday?)
"so what you are saying is that what im doing has no science involved"
I am saying that. Science involves coming up with ideas about how the world works and then trying to find ways to disprove them.
The greeks didn't think that experiments were necessary, so they thought maggots and flies came out of meat rather than flies' eggs. Putting a cloth over the container you put some freshly killed meat in would have disproved that and increased the store of knowledge in the world, rather than just the number of ideas.
"so you trust these guys who have nothing physical to show you all theoretical just there words"
Their words are backed up with evidence. You wouldn't know about the craters you were talking about earlier if it weren't for space travel. People have spent their lives building a better understanding of the world, and the world is a better place for their efforts.
@goaded
I ASKED HER THIS SAME QUESTION WHAT DOES NASA MEAN?
@relaxrelax National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Why?
@goaded
https://robschannel.com/nasa-in-hebrew
NOW QUESTION HAVE YOU EVER TESTED NASA?
@relaxrelax So you're suggesting nasa might be the devil trying to destroy god.
OK, I'm done now.
@goaded
no but i will ask you go on the NASA website
and TEST EVERYTHING THEY POST
pictures, videos, the things that they say, TEST IT ALL
i have done it already and come too my conclusion
you wanna find out the truth you do the same
@relaxrelax You idiot, just because a word means something in another language doesn't mean it was intentional. ESA means "that" is Spanish
look go test what i said prove me wrong
i told you what to do
@relaxrelax We've literally proved all of your point wrong
all you did was talk and show zero evidence hun
i told you give me something physical that i can touch
@relaxrelax You can't touch DNA. Give me touchable proof of your wacky claims and then we can be serious
of course i can touch it lol 15 year olds lol
i wanna be young and dumb again
memories lol ahhh life
@relaxrelax You want to be young again, you haven't lost the stupid.
Let me rephrase that; DNA is so small you can't pick it up and examine is with the naked eye.
Going to church does not make you anymore that sitting in a garage makes you a car.
Sorry but I've met so many shitty personalities that are Christian, Muslim, or some other religion that I call total bull on this.. Being "religious" certainly does not make you a better person.
"Being "religious" certainly does not make you a better person."
Phrase of the day.
I certainly agree that Americans need a healthy helping of just about all of those listed in the Take. :)
Religion doesn't seem like the answer though
@FallOutBoy2001 not for the most part. i've noticed that most crunches, if not all, don't preach from the bible.
@FallOutBoy2001 Doesn't have to be. I was just referring to what Americans are clearly lacking these days. :)
@FallOutBoy2001 Historically it has been the greatest answer and until something better is presented, it will always be preferable.
@JRICHARDS1996 yup. scientists are still looking.
@JRICHARDS1996 religion... has been the greatest answer? Wow. Didn't know people getting murdered because of religion was great
@FallOutBoy2001 men twisted religion like they have everything else.
@Sabretooth true, but religious texts often present inaccuracies and lies as fact
@FallOutBoy2001 true. As I said "many preachers know absolutely NOTHING about what the bible really teaches.
@Sabretooth the bible says that God just "poofed" us into the earth
@FallOutBoy2001 makes more since then saying we evolved from monkeys-where that true, where are documentaries-surly there would be a video or something?
@Sabretooth We actually evolved from a common ancestor. Video is a recent invention so of course we would have no video proof
@FallOutBoy2001 are monkeys still around?
@Sabretooth Yes. They aren't the common ancestor, they're one of the animals that evolved from the common ancestor, which no longer exists
@FallOutBoy2001 i still think there should be some proof of this. look at the dinosaurs-creatures that that well before man were... yet, archaeologists are STILL finding bones.
@Sabretooth Yeah, so? DNA is what we're currently using as proof, if I remember correctly. I'm not a biologist, but I have a small interest in the topic
@FallOutBoy2001 as i had an interest in space, which completely debunks the theory of evolution. the scientific community is divided between those who believe in evolution and those those who believe in creation-yet, that argument has already been won... most just don't know it. both sides agree that at one time-there was nothing-absolutely nothing-so, in my question is this: what possible part could evolution have possible had in an empty universe?
@Sabretooth I'm planning on becoming an astrophysicist, and I can tell you right now that it has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.
"the scientific community is divided between those who believe in evolution and those those who believe in creation" nope, those are scientists and people who are religious. No good scientist believes we appeared out of thin air.
"both sides agree that at one time-there was nothing-absolutely nothing" We all agree the universe was started by the Big Bang, correct.
"my question is this: what possible part could evolution have possible had in an empty universe?" Not sure what you mean by that? The Earth was created much after the Big Bang, and lie then developed on that Earth through evolution
@FallOutBoy2001 Getting killed because of Marxism, the Revolution, and "Progress" has been no greater either, among the other atheistic philosophies of the Enlightenment that have tried desperately to fill the void that the absence of religion has created. Nobody ever said that religion was perfect, only that it is better than the alternatives.
@Sabretooth Which demonstrates just how perverted the discipline of science has become. We are speaking of metaphysical concepts. The purpose of science is natural phenomenon. Scientists have extended the scope of their discipline to accommodate something that is the task of an entirely different field of knowledge: philosophy. Science has just become propaganda for materialism which is not a scientific idea in itself but rather a philosophical view about science.
@FallOutBoy2001 thee Big Bang was never proven
For the record, I do not believe in Young Earth Creationism or total biblical literalism. I am of the same school of thought as the Church throughout history, namely allegory and typology. The patristics always utilized this approach, like Origen of Alexandria and Ss. Clement, Ambrose of Milan, and Gregory the Theologian. I am Eastern Orthodox and adhere to the testimony of the Church. Biblical literalism as espoused by American Protestantism is a modern innovation stemming from the heresy of Sola Scriptura and the Chicago Statement of the 1970s.
@FallOutBoy2001
SHOW ME THE LIE
IN THE TEXT I'VE STUDIED THE BOOK FOR YEARS NOW
COME ON SHOW ME MR 15 YEAR OLD
@JRICHARDS1996 Technically the purpose of science is to understand the world around us, naturally we would want to understand where we came from.
@relaxrelax Maybe try again, and see if you can articulate yourself better
@Sabretooth Are you serious?
You are descended from your great-great-great grandparents, right? They're not still around, so there's no video evidence for them, but there's a good chance you have fourth or fifth cousins also descended from the same couple. They probably don't look as much like you as your siblings do.
Now, try imagining your 50th cousins, descended from a couple who lived in about the year 1000 (I could be one of them!), you wouldn't recognise them as family.
Your 500th cousins would have had a common ancestor living about 9000 years BC and be spread all over the world.
Keep going back, and imagine your 5000th cousins, or your 50000th cousins. Some of them might be quite a bit hairier than you and live in trees.
The common ancestors and their peers have long ago turned to dust, or (very rarely) fossils, but their descendants, who all looked very much like their parents, now look very different from their distant ancestors and very different to each other.
@goaded yes, but we can prove they were alive. this ''common ancestor'' has no, dna, no bones, no texts, no carvings... absolutely nothing.
@goaded as for decay, i debunked that with the dinosaur.
@Sabretooth How can you prove they were alive? There are probably written records going back ten generations, maybe even up to 50 (although many, most, won't). DNA can show family trees, and it shows we are related to chimps and other apes.
Search for "List of human evolution fossils" on wikipedia.
@goaded then why is it still in debate? There is simply no conclusive evidence
@Sabretooth It is not a serious debate. Scientists didn't just make up the old Earth and evolution, it's because of centuries of observations, all of which have supported the basic ideas. The first of those scientists were men of God, and simply surprised at finding fossils of shellfish at the tops of mountains.
As for evolution, Human and other apes' skeletal structures are very similar to each other and to other mammals, this was clear very early on, DNA evidence neatly matches up with the family tree indicated by bone structure and other markers.
The fact that humans and animals both have comparable DNA is in itself pretty good proof that we're not all that special. Or was God constrained to a single mechanism for life on Earth?
@goaded we have similarities with apes, sure-but so do cats and doge... doesn't make them the same.
@Sabretooth it indicates that all life evolved from one common ancestor
@FallOutBoy2001 not sure how. even IF this is correct-where did this ancestor come from? if he's so commonly known-then surly you know him by name.
@Sabretooth we theorize that these life forms came from amino acids latching together and being heated, and this process happening over and over again, to the point where bacteria-like life forms were formed.
@FallOutBoy2001 not sure what this has to do with my question
@Sabretooth it literally has everything to do with your question
@FallOutBoy2001 but the materials where already there.
@Sabretooth in the form of inorganic atomic structures, yes
@FallOutBoy2001 same thing with evolution. the theory is that things just popped up-which is a contradiction-like we discussed-for evolution to happen-there be a basic structure. yet, creation, however-means that not only was there was someone providing the material-but guiding them. like a house, for instance: you have the tools, the materials, and the schematics-would you simply leave it spread over the land, and think ( now, i just need to wait a week, and it'll be finished)?
@Sabretooth you obviously are set in your ways, and refuse to be piece anything that contradicts how you want to believe. I'm tired of arguing with you, frankly
@FallOutBoy2001 i've been on this sight long enough to know that that means.
@Sabretooth that I think you're a giant fucking idiot who refuses to listen to logic? Yes.
If literally anyone else wants to debate you with me, I welcome them. I have actually proven every single one of your baseless claims as wrong, but you continue to ask ridiculous questions about events that humans weren't around to see and blame them on a magical man in the sky who, if he, by some chance, happens to be real and as powerful as you say, is a shitty being who seems to enjoy human suffering and only rewards those who believe in him, damning good people who don't believe that he exists to an eternity in Hell.
@FallOutBoy2001 you've proven nothing-well, until now.
@Sabretooth I have. I provided links and brought it down to layman's terms. You've again, just asked more questions that we've proven wrong
@FallOutBoy2001 seems like you're the one who refuses to listen to logic and rather admit you might be wrong-you throw insults.
@Sabretooth "not sure how [it indicates that all life evolved from one common ancestor]. even IF this is correct-where did this ancestor come from? if he's so commonly known-then surly you know him by name."
People give things names, this was long before there were any people.
The common ancestors of chimps and humans lived about 7 million years ago, the common ancestors of chimps, humans and gorillas lived about 10 million years ago. You can keep going back, the common ancestors of all four-legged animals (including all mammals, lizards, dinosaurs and birds) were around 395 million years ago, vertebrates (anything with a backbone) 500+ million years ago, back to single celled creatures 2100+ million years ago.
If God decided to make Mankind separate from the animals (and plants), why would he use the same building blocks?
@goaded why you a different formula if the 1st worked? The only ancestor I can think of was Adam
@Sabretooth "The only ancestor I can think of was Adam"
I know. Doesn't make it right, though.
@goaded he has a name, he and Eve were the first humans, the bible tell us that. There are the only beings documented that could possibly be our ancestors
@Sabretooth It's a story.
There are dozens of creation myths listed on Wikipedia, (search: "List of creation myths"), including Genesis.
Since you're not going to listen to reason, or any authority other than the bible (like, say a century and a half of biology, geology, DNA evidence, the fossil record, chemistry and physics), there's probably not much point in continuing.
@goaded and yet, all they have are years old theories
@Sabretooth From wikipedia:
In science, the term "theory" refers to "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment." Theories must also meet further requirements, such as the ability to make falsifiable predictions with consistent accuracy across a broad area of scientific inquiry, and production of strong evidence in favor of the theory from multiple independent sources.
It's that kind of theory that you're talking about, with as much or more evidence than gravity or thermodynamics, vs. a bronze age collection of books.
Render unto Caesar. Science works, and evolution is proven.
@goaded
GIVE EVIDENCE FOR EVERYTHING YOU CLAIM
I HATE WHEN PEOPLE TALK WITH VISUALS
MAKES THEM LOOKS STUPID
@Sabretooth How am I not listening to logic? I find sources and actually make sense. You just spew stupid bullshit that a middle-schooler with basic access to the internet could disprove
@relaxrelax it makes you look stupider when you don't listen to logic and facts
@FallOutBoy2001
you are 15
all you have is a high school education which already has a bunch of issues to begin with look i believed like you did at one point i went to high school too
until i studied it out for myself and came to my own conclusions
and stop thinking people won't lie to you, you've been lied to your whole life
search for truth not what you want to be true
@relaxrelax yeah. I'm used to being lied to, I'm always lied to. I go and do my own research, and all the research I've found indicates that my stance is the correct one.
@FallOutBoy2001
give me visual evidence for your stance
@relaxrelax here's one www.bio.miami.edu/.../homologous_forelimbs.jpg
Also there's comparative DNA, but you can't really take pictures of DNA
@FallOutBoy2001
okay now the animals have
arms
legs
and fingers
we have similar structures
now how does that prove we evolved from animals? and how can you show it? all you can do is believe what people say but you can't show me it evolving I wanna see it evolve, all i ever see is the same animal reproduce the same animal
whether they are
big or small,
long nose short nose,
black fur brown fur
there always the same kind
https://prev iews.123rf. com/images/lilun/lilun1402/lilun140200011/26030608-Cat-and-dog-Group-of-dogs-and-cats-sitting-in-front-of-a-white--Stock-Photo. jpg
https://thu mb1. shutterstock. com/display_pic_with_logo/1669333/208995610/stock-photo-group-of-young-horses-on-the-pasture-208995610. jpg
they want me to believe this NO all they have are bones i wanna see it in real life
https://qph.ec.quo racdn. net/main-qimg-0b9eac1dadc7a32a26287d34b3b740bb? convert_to_webp=true
@FallOutBoy2001
this is what i believe
genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them
its the skeleton of a women,, 10 feet tall, so how big are the men? you ever stand next to a 7 foot guy makes you feel small right
https://www.so tt. net/image/s6/128208/full/giant_mound_builder. jpg
It was 12 ft 2 in (3.71 m) tall, weighed 2 tonnes, and had 6 toes on its right foot. After being exhibited in Dublin, it was brought to England and exhibited in Liverpool and Manchester at sixpence a head, 'attracting scientific men as well as gaping sightseers
https://www.60 00years. org/graphics/irish%20giant. jpg
now im 6.1 or 6.2 and my weight is 180 to 200 pounds
i want you to measure 12 feet and add 2 tons of weight and muscle and tell me
you can fight someone like that
@relaxrelax Those are all either bullshit hoaxes or (rare) genetic anomalies
it's not that we have "similar" bones but they are the same bones, which perform relatively similar functions. Again, we share almost all our DNA with primates as well
@relaxrelax And I've tried telling you, there aren't videos of animals evolving, because it's such a process that takes place over many, many, many generations
@FallOutBoy2001
exactly so its a belief since you say it takes to long too see something evolve
so its my belief vs your belief
you should read the story of the giants its not just in the bible its all over the earth
no matter where you look
https://3.bp.blog spot. com/-OiwjhLrobZ8/U6qoEAYdbDI/AAAAAAAAOKU/OlV6jZg0OH0/s1600/Anunnaki+-+Giant+-+Footprint+200+Million-Year-Old+South+Africa. png
I can do this for hours I have studied this for 3 to 4 years, i have an answer for most scientific studies
now you say we have similar DNA with monkeys and that's true
we also have similar DNA with a banana
and also tobacco did you know that
now lets make this simple look at everything that's made of wood pay close attention,, did the wood naturally become all those things on its own with no help?
https://www.gtri nity. com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/inspiring-wood-study-room-design-with-shared-wooden-desk-on-blue-scheme-striped-area-rug-and-wooden-bookshelf-ideas. jpg
@relaxrelax Well it's not a belief because we can back it up with DNA evidence. And animals evolve due to their environment, not a magical man in the sky.
@Sabretooth
@falloutboy is correct that the big bang happened and FYI, it was discovered by a Catholic Priest CalledGeorges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître (French: [ʒɔʁʒə ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven.[1] He proposed the theory of the expansion of the universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble.[2][3] He was the first to derive what is now known as Hubble's law and made the first estimation of what is now called the Hubble constant, which he published in 1927, two years before Hubble's article.[4][5][6][7] Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe, which he called his "hypothesis of the primeval atom" or the "Cosmic Egg".[8]
Which I think we can all agree Primeval atom is a WAY more badass name for it
@FallOutBoy2001
you can't show me it evolving and i can't show you GOD
we both are believing in something on blind faith
I see giant skeletons does that show you GOD nope shows death
you see animal bones does that show evolution nope shows death
i have no issue with similar DNA
my theory is GOD used some of the same stuff that he used on us,
for animals,
which was the dirt so too me its not a surprise we are similar
you know the story GOD FORMED MAN FROM THE DIRT
now here is my question if GOD does exist and you got to see him would that change your lift style, or would you hate him?
@relaxrelax Well, let's be honest. I would probably not change my life, as I'm leading a good life but don't believe in a magical man, and if he could demonstrate he was real I would believe in him. I would still find him incredibly hypocritical though.
Evolution has proof. I'm sorry you're too stupid to see that
@relaxrelax
Look, I believe in a god and an afterlife but seriously, but the best smackdown against creationism is this,
You may be unable to understand, or unwilling to accept, that evolution occurs. And yet, life evolves! [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pur_si_muove] From the content on your website, it is clear that you, like many others, view God as the Creator of the Universe. I respect that view. I find it baffling, however, that someone can worship God as the all-mighty Creator while, at the same time, denying even the possibility (not to mention the overwhelming evidence) that God’s Creation involved evolution. It is as though a person thinks that God must have the same limitations when it comes to creation as a person who is unable to understand, or even attempt to understand, the world in which we live. Isn’t that view insulting to God?
That is from the lenski dialogue on conservapedia
@FallOutBoy2001
what do you mean he is hypocritical explain
@relaxrelax He claims to love us all, but then kills us, makes our lives miserable, and damns people that don't believe in him but are good people to hell
@Waffles731
you are wrong evolution and the big bang came from these guys the fallen ones
https://in 5d. com/the-14-tablets-of-enki-the-anunnaki/
they taught it too man
and man believed the lie
and the human race keeps repeating the same stupid crap over and over and over again study your history
its now in our school system and I hate it
@Waffles731 can you take over? I'm too tired to argue with a guy that keeps invoking a magical man into the argument to defeat proof
@FallOutBoy2001 Tag team :)
If you like, you can watch evolution happen in almost real-time here:
www. youtube. com/ watch? v=plVk4NVIUh8
E-Coli bacteria evolving an immunity to antibiotic over a period of just 11 days.
(Take out the spaces in the link, I don't have enough Xper to post links.)
@FallOutBoy2001
I've always found that its easier for me to argue with people like this as I do actually believe in a god and an afterlife just much less conventional.
But this guy is just willfully ignorant, you can't argue with someone who doesn't want to acknowledge the facts
@Waffles731 again with the insults? How mature
@Sabretooth He's not throwing around insults, he's stating a fact
@Waffles731 It's much harder for me as I'm rapidly losing faith in any sort of God
@FallOutBoy2001
My advice is to research, go out and read books on science religion, art,, explore the world,
Research the paranormal,( I've had multiple encounters)
Figure out what you believe from the sum total of your life experience and what you found out. That is how I found out what I believe.
@Sabretooth Well, you have effectively said that you know better than 150 years worth of biologists, any of whom would be instantly famous if they found anything that really disproves evolution. Instead, scientific and technological advances have reinforced the evidence for the theory every step of the way since Wallace and Darwin proposed it.
That is a good example of ignoring the facts.
@goaded mere theories simply due to the fact that we share a few similarities-may as well tell may as well tell me dogs evolve from cat-simply due to their similarities
@Sabretooth Dogs and cats both evolved from a common ancestor, not one from the other. They are distant cousins. Same as you and me.
@goaded
no its doesn't evolve it stays a bacteria
just looks a little different
they did that for years it never changed to anything else
and yes I've seen the videos trust me it stayed a bacteria
plus the theory of evolution is super old its not some new theory
its garbage in my opinion
@relaxrelax well, your precious Bible has been around longer? Does that mean it's also bullshit?
@FallOutBoy2001
you love stalking me hun
lol
but you don't even know where evolution started
@relaxrelax How about we agree that it's a bad idea to over-use antibiotics?
An old theory is one that has been tested and verified and never invalidated. Even theories that are invalidated are soon replaced with new theories that better match the evidence.
The theory of gravity was invalidated by Einstein, but we didn't all fall into the sky, Newton's version was pretty close.
"you love stalking me hun
lol
but you don't even know where evolution started"
If you get hit by a car, but you don't know where the driver started their journey, does that mean the car doesn't exist?
You don't have to know exactly where it started to know that it exists.
@goaded
it started right here the fallen angels came down and lied to the human race and told them about evolution see i know the starting point, and after that the human race stupidly believed them,
in5d.com/the-14-tablets-of-enki-the-anunnaki/
im not gonna believe them
@relaxrelax Anything argued by referring to the Bible automatically disqualifies your argument.
@FallOutBoy2001 lol
@FallOutBoy2001 Not a bible reference, a more modern work of fiction.
How you doin', cousin Sabretooth?
@goaded fine, thanks
@relaxrelax "and yes I've seen the videos trust me it stayed a bacteria"
And your children, should you have any, will be people. In a few millennia, they will probably be Morlocks, and maybe the bacteria will have evolved to be something else entirely.
The point is that if you'd put all the initial bacteria in the middle region, they would all have died. Some, a small proportion, of their offspring had mutations that allowed them to survive the low levels of antibiotics, which made them fittest for the next stage. Their offspring had mutations, some of which were able to survive the next stage and so on.
Every one of your ancestors survived to reproduce, so they weren't likely to die from TB or Measles (or were lucky enough to grow up in an environment where they didn't catch diseases that would kill them). It's the same mechanism.
You do realise that the Catholic Church acknowledges evolution, right? And that young earth creationism was practically extinct in the 1950s?
@FallOutBoy2001 you want wanna bash the bible-yet,, you know nothing about-if you did-then you know who's fault it is that we suffer and hell doesn't exist... yet, you expect to believe in evolution based on the fact that we have similarities.
@Sabretooth oh I know about the Bible. In it we're told God loves us unconditionally, and then that he has very strict rules for how we're supposed to live our lives or he won't love us. Really sounds unconditional to me 😒
There's also, as I've said at least 5 times before, DNA evidence, but don't acknowledge that
@Sabretooth "you want wanna bash the bible-yet,, you know nothing about-if you did-then you know who's fault it is that we suffer and hell doesn't exist... yet, you expect to believe in evolution based on the fact that we have similarities."
FallOutBoy2001 would only think they knew whose fault it was if they believed in the bible, not just if they knew about it. Do you think it's Eve's fault we suffer?
Wait, "hell doesn't exist"? :)
The similarities go from living on land, to having the same bone structure as other mammals, to having the RNA and DNA, to having almost identical DNA as chimps. The similarities are like finding another planet with klingons on, too much to be a coincidence.
@FallOutBoy2001 the laws are for own protection. humanity has tried for years to lead themselves... a lotta good that's come outta that.
@goaded ''almost'' identical.
@Sabretooth well hey, we're no longer burning people at the stake or torturing them for witchcraft, so I think we're doing just great
@FallOutBoy2001 no-we just using more modern methods of torture.
@FallOutBoy2001 we're
Maybe on terrorists (which are real, not witches)
@Sabretooth '"'almost'' identical."
Yes! I'm not saying we're chimps, I'm saying we're apes and (very) distant cousins to chimps.
@goaded we share similarities-that doesn't mean we evolved from apes-simply that were share similarities. you asked if god would create us all with the same formula... why change what a formula that already proved to be a success?
@FallOutBoy2001 and your average civilian. i could go and on and on about how humans can torture other humans-or how the harm themselves... yet, i'd run out of room-instead, let's look at premarital sex. premarital sex has been proven to carry nothing but problems that include: teen pregnancies, std's, broken hearts, ruined reputations, as well as being the subject of gossip-the rule against premarital sex could protect people... if they would heed it. there also medical break through because of people refusing to take blood transfusions, here is a video: www.jw.org/.../#
@Sabretooth Premarital sex ruins you, if you're just sleeping around with anyone, true, but most people don't regret it. Also, I know people who have died because they refused blood transfusions,, so that was fucking stupid
@FallOutBoy2001 many here have regretted itand they could've died from an infected blood sample.
@Sabretooth most, haven't, unless they're shamed by, you guessed it, religious people who are against it.
Also, there are safeguards against that now. Fun facts about medicine, they improve it to keep us safer
@FallOutBoy2001 or because their partner opened their mouth-or one of those other issues i've mentioned. and is one study of death related to blood transfusions-and another about a woman who survived without triblive.com/.../blood-hawk-bloodless
@Sabretooth again, if your careless doing anything there are going to be consequeces.
And I had read about that, it's quite revolutionary. I know another reason they were doing it was because of the HIV epidemic, the technology was in the works even then. Blood transfusions can be vital though. Think about car crashes, or if someone has been shot.
@FallOutBoy2001 it can also fail.
@FallOutBoy2001 you could also just not have premarital sex
@Sabretooth as can not having a blood transfusion
@FallOutBoy2001 ?
@Sabretooth
I hope you all realise that I spent 3 mins trying to get to the bottom of this page, but this convo was in the way, LOL
@Sabretooth sorry I must have misread one of the responses. You could stop shaming people that want premarital sex, or blood transfusionsn
@SuperNovaRoyalty hmm?
@FallOutBoy2001 and you can stop bashing people who believe in God and the bible
@Sabretooth I'm not bashing people that believe in God and the bible, as long as they don't completely disregard science or anything that doesn't agree with the Bible
@Sabretooth I think @FallOutBoy2001's only bashing people who say God and the bible proves scientific discoveries wrong.
The Catholic Church is fine with evolution and the Earth going around the Sun. Lots of the people who worked it out were associated with the church.
@SuperNovaRoyalty Sorry about that, hope it was at least a bit educational!
@goaded most churches-if not all don't even preach from the bible.
@FallOutBoy2001 i haven't disregarded science-all i said was that just because we share some similarities-it does not mean we evolved from apes-that would be like saying dogs and cats are the same. also, as i've proven-science has made much advancement from the bible. not only did it force doctors to develop better techniques as an alternative to blood transfusion-yet,, it also answers questions, like: why the world is the way it, what to excerpt, the existence of dinosaurs, the fact that the earth was round and more.
@Sabretooth "most churches-if not all don't even preach from the bible."
Then most Christians, if not all, don't believe the things you do.
@goaded that is true. most believe that hell exists-as well as the trinity. let's look at Proverbs ''27:11: Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, So that I can make a reply to him who taunts me'' this clearly states that god and the devil are enemies... yet, the existence would indicate a partner ship. as for the trinity- it means the gotd and his son are 1 and the same-however, John 6:38 states this: for I have come down from heaven to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me..
@Sabretooth I don't understand, do you mean you don't believe hell exists, or the trinity, either?
I'm not arguing, I'm just surprised.
@goaded exactly, those beliefs go against what the bible teaches. in fact, great grandmother told me me the she once asked her church pastor to enplane the trinity-can you guess what his response was?
@Sabretooth No. I don't have many dealings with pastors.
@goaded ''you just need to have faith''.
@Sabretooth Of course. :)
The thing about evolution, though, is that yes, it does take a bit of faith in science to believe in it because there is literally too much evidence for a single person to examine personally (it would probably take a lifetime or three to examine just the contents of the Natural History Museum in London, for example) BUT if you are willing you can follow any path through the evidence you fancy and you will find a series of logical steps that led to whatever conclusion you're looking into.
@goaded creation is also a strong possibility, The here are plenty of evidence to that, as well. The universe for example: I think we can all agree that someone had to guide things where they needed to go. Even a Big Bang needed a spark of life
@Sabretooth even I can agree that something sparked the Big Bang. I don't agree, however, there there is a lot of evidence supporting creation. Could you elaboroate?
@FallOutBoy2001 sure. Like the creation of the universe, we already discussed it couldn't have been the the Big Bang, because in a dead void... there couldn't be a spark. So someone had to provide the materials and someone also had to control the path of where they wend-like the example of the house-you might have the material and the tools... but they are useless without someone to work them... they can't do the work on their own. Plus, we are given all we need to survive: water, food, air etc-things that required a mind-someone had to provide the materials-and someone had to guide them... and it wasn't no human
@Sabretooth I don't think that constitutes evidence of creation, especially not as we typically view it, but I agree that something had to start the Big Bang
@relaxrelax Show me where the Bible mentions dinosaurs? If God created them, then surely it would be mentioned in there, since the Bible is the inspired word of God.
@Sabretooth "Plus, we are given all we need to survive: water, food, air etc-things that required a mind-someone had to provide the materials-and someone had to guide them..."
Actually there is a scientific explanation of a path from a plasma of photons, protons and electrons until about 378,000 years after the Big Bang, into hydrogen, helium and lithium, which gravity collapsed into stars which blew up forming heavier elements, which combine into other stars that blew up forming even heavier elements and then into star systems like ours.
Douglas Adams once imagined a sentient puddle who wakes up one morning and thinks, "This is an interesting world I find myself in – an interesting hole I find myself in – fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!" to demonstrate his view that the fine-tuned Universe argument for God was a fallacy. (wikipedia, and Adams).
@goaded assuming the Big Bang happened
I find it hard to believe it's really a logistic issue. Modern day politics has an uncomfortable amount of influence inside the church. I don't want to hear, know your political view in gods house. It tends to de-legitimizes what your preaching or claim to believe.