Why I Despise Black Lives Matter

[Puppylove94]

This Take was triggered by the news this morning. A 53 yr old cop was shot in the face by a black man after responding to a burglary call.

https://ktla.com/2016/10/05/sheriffs-deputy-shot-in-lancaster-near-antelope-valley-college-shooter-at-large/

Many people on GAG consider me a racist simply because I think stereotypes can be true. However, every stereotype was made for a reason. That doesn't mean it applies to EVERY person.

Black supremacy IS a serious problem right now. They can do no wrong and they are threatening the strength of Law Enforcement. Police officers are hesitant to make accusations or protect themselves and the people around them because of the accusations aimed at them.

They are police officers- they always have and they will always continue to have weapons on them. If you decide to not listen to their orders, or do something that appears to be threatening- they are trained to react to the various situations at hand. Unfortunately, many of these end in shootings.

No, not every cop is good. But the vast majority is. What is frustrating is that every cop is being stereotyped as being a bad cop while BLM says we're stereotyping? Slightly hypocritical

There are bad people in this world. No matter their color, race, occupation or ethnicity. We can't change that. The Law enforcement, for the most part, does good. They protect our community.

If you want statistics for why law enforcement reacts the way they do towards the black population you should read this link:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

Anyways, I'm in no way saying black lives shouldn't matter, cause they do. I'm simply saying All lives should matter.

[madhatters4]

Black Supremacy is a serious problem? i've never even heard of this

44% of unarmed fatalities involved men of one demographic. that demographic represents only 6% of the total American population. this is disproportionate amount that begs the question why?

are those 44% really so much more deserving? dangerous?
or is there a chance that some cops are profiling and thus acting based on prejudice?

there are good doctors and bad doctors. good accountants and bad accountants. good judges and bad judges...
are there good cops of course. are there bad cops of course. we need to address the bad cops

[FakeName123]

Its a mix of both. Statistically blacks are a lot more likely to commit violent crmies than any other ethnicity - thus as a cop you naturally have a bias when you see blacks being more aggressive and thus treat them differently aka with more caution.

[YourName123]

more than 44% of the violent crimes are committed by that me 6%, so they out themselves in the crosshairs

[beenthruit]

@FakeName123 I'm sorry where statistically? Whilst white men RAPE WOMEN and MURDER at church, school shootings but get away with it or are DEEMED MENTALLY ILL and then get away with it. please look up real statistics not the ones you choose to see and not see. Open your eyes there is crime within every race. It's a police officers duty to protect themselves before they can protect others, but what you just said "thus as a cop you naturally have a bias when you see blacks being more aggressive and thus treat them differently aka with more caution." is the definition of judging someone off of the color of their skin.

[Bobbyhill1]

@FakeName123 actually your statistic is wrong and ignorant. blacks are more likely to commit homicides and robberies, but the rest of the voilent crimes is dominated by whites. 6 million whites commit crimes annually, and 2 million blacks do the same

[FakeName123]

@Bobbyhill1

The USA has 77,1 % white and 13,3 % black population. That means there are 5,8 times as many whites as blacks. So whites should have to do 5,8 times as much violent crimes. Yet your numbers say that they only do 3 times as much. Thats very basic math.

Source: www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00

[jacquesvol]

@FakeName123 On world scale and throughout history, white people committed more murders than any others.
Is that a reason to kill white John Doe if he doesn't obey some uniformed clown like a puppy?

[FakeName123]

@jacquesvol

Did I say that it does?

MadHatter asked if those people (aka blacks in the US) are more dangerous or if there is an action of cops based on prejudice and I answered that its a mix of both. Yes, blacks commit more crimes. And yes, cops have a prejudice (part of it is because blacks commit more crimes and as a cop you will be more critical towards all blacks due to it. Its common human nature).

[jacquesvol]

@FakeName123 Statistically the white variety of the human race has amply proven during thousands of years to be the most violent and murderous of all varieties of the human race.

Thus treat them differently aka with more caution. (and shoot at the first suspect movement)
Right so?

[FakeName123]

@jacquesvol

historic relevance =/= daily presence

You are comparing apples with oranges.

[jacquesvol]

@FakeName123 No historic or wider relevance? OK, then look only at the crimes committed by blacks today in your street, not over the whole state or country and year or decade.
Otherwise YOU are comparing apples with oranges.

[FakeName123]

@jacquesvol

I didn't expect I need to explain it like I would for a child, but here we go:

Imagine you are a cop, let's say you are a decent cop and you try to do your job decently. Your daily experiences result in realising that blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes including more likely to attack you and/or your colleagues.

What will you do? Obviously you will treat blacks with more caution - and that more caution can lead to being more trigger-happy in some cops.

This really isn't rocket science and what whites, blacks, or whoever did 100, 200 or 5000 years ago has no releveance to that whatsoever.

[jacquesvol]

@FakeName123 If cops have such a childish reasoning they should be trained to think first and hoot later. Is that asking too much?

[jacquesvol]

*edit : shoot later

[jacquesvol]

Firing from the hip is something from Hollywood B-westerns.

[FakeName123]

@jacquesvol

It's how people behave. Selective perception, subjectivity and confirmation bias. It's the same principle as "the street lights are always red". It's basic human nature.

The problem here isn't racism though, but cops being awfully trained and too trigger-happy in general.

[Your_secret_nerd]

@FakeName123 how can you say statically blacks are a lot likely to commit violet crimes than any other enthnicity but there are more white serial killers in the world than any other race? You're pulling these statistics from your ass.

[Puppylove94]

@Your_secret_nerd lol because the white population is a lot larger. Percentages are different than the number of people.

Look at the statistics I linked in my taks

[jacquesvol]

@FakeName123 Selective perception, indeed. Very selective.

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Photo taken in Phoenix at a white march. Imagine those BLM marching that way.

[jacquesvol]

@FakeName123 "The problem here isn't racism though, but cops being awfully trained and too trigger-happy in general." And the implicit message
"If you shoot a black, any white Grand Jury will understand you were defending them."

*-Why cops are almost never indicted for shooting :
www.slate.com/.../...er_indicted_for_shooting.html

*-Why It's Impossible to Indict a Cop www.thenation.com/.../why-its-impossible-indict-cop
*--Graham v. Connor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_v._Connor
*-Understanding Graham v. Connor www.policemag.com/.../...ding-graham-v-connor.aspx

It's the system, it's the law of the country.

[FakeName123]

@jacquesvol

And none of that mentions specifically black people. So how does that invalidate what I said?

[madhatters4]

@FakeName123 regardless of who is committing more crimes in society no person should suffer the burden of being profiled based on what other people do. our justice system is supposed to blind. we literally have statues to this effect.

if we have cops judging people based on superficial things like skin color and acting based on that presumption we have a huge problem. by that logic any demographic that statistically commits a crimes should be presumed a criminal. that's simply not effective or just law enforcement

why should i have to bear the burden of millions of people i don't know simply because we have the same skin color? should we presume all white people are racist? should we presume all people from the mideast are terrorists?

that is the problem that we need to tackle. we solve nothing when we say, well X group is most likely to commit Y act so police should expect B to behave this way.

[FakeName123]

@madhatters4

In an ideal world that would be the case. The world isn't ideal though. Humans are flawed. Cops aren't suddenly any less human just because they wear an uniform. Neither are judges or whoever.

Been there, done that. Just 2 years ago had a lawcase against me in the 6-digit amount from my former employer. Innocent until proven guilty, right? Well - not for the two different judges I had. For some reason they didn't like my face and put the burden on proof upon me.

Yes, those things are injustice - but they happen. They don't happen because of racism though, but because of flaws within human nature.

Ironically most BLM supporters fall victim to the very same flaw that they accuse cops of. They generalise cops as all possibly and potentially black-skin-hunters.

"why should i have to bear the burden of millions of people i don't know"

Why should I bear the burden of people still thinking of nazis when thinking of Germany? It is what it is. You gotta deal with it.

[ObscuredBeyond]

@beenthruit: Blacks do more of that too. But when blacks do it, there's almost complete media silence. Major news outlets only care when someone white does it. Because that's the narrative they want to spread: the "white devil" Malcolm X crap.

If the true ugly reality of black-on-everything crime were allowed its proper airtime, the cord would be traced back to the wall. They'd learn it's not really the fault of race at all: but of the Globalists and their War on Traditional Family, that's at the heart of it all. Bear in mind: Lenin also called for destruction of the traditional family unit. Our current establishment of insurrectionists is merely cleverly attempting to implement what the Bolsheviks attempted through brazen violence. Ignorant blacks have merely become unwitting mercenaries and pawns, carrying out the violence of the Revolution, so the Planners don't have to get their hands dirty.

[madhatters4]

@FakeName123 it is what it is? that's a defeatist attitude. we can work every single day to improve the world we live in. to say that 'well ideals aren't being met so let's just accept that people are discriminated against' is not at all what we as human beings should accept. ideally we shouldn't have slavery right? and the world has worked tirelessly to end slavery to the point that it is at its lowest levels in world history. ideally mother's should die giving birth? and mother mortality rates are lower than ever. ideally a person shouldn't have their gender, age, race or ethnicity count against them in trying to get a job... and we've made laws and worked to change people's mindsets so that now the work force is more diverse than it has ever been in history

yes ideals are often unobtainable but it doesn't mean you don't try to get as close as you can to achieving them. it shouldn't be acceptable that police discriminate or use prejudice in dealing with civilians

[Puppylove94]

And vandalizing buildings, beating up whites because they're white, hating cops, and rioting is helping our society improve how exactly?

[madhatters4]

who said it is?
obviously it isn't and any reasonable minded person understands that. anyone who suggests that both sides don't have to work to improve our country and our world is obtuse. progress only happens when the sides that desire progress equally work to achieve it. focusing on the problem is only part of it. figuring out the solution is the key.
how do we work to eliminate prejudice in our work force?
how do we work to eliminate violence and anti-social behavior?

[Puppylove94]

I don't know it I hope we figure it out soon.

[Your_secret_nerd]

But white people are beating up blacks, vandalizing buildings, beating up blacks because they're black since the beginning of American history and before that, hating all blacks, and rioting all lives matter so explain to me how is that helping our society improve how exactly? Aren't you the one that's saying two wrongs don't make a right? I don't see you bringing that. Hypocrite.

[Puppylove94]

@Your_secret_nerd lnobody supporting all lives matter is rioting like the black lives matter supporters lmao seriously stop with the history lesson. I've taken American history too. The thing is you're not taking into consideration how much we've evolved. I can count on both hands the amount of racist people I've met. It was improving

[Your_secret_nerd]

But all lives matter supporters are rioting😂😂😂 nice try trying to save face but you're embarrassing yourself every time you post. Also when did I say I wasn't taking anything into cosideration about us evolving? I know we evolved and I'm happy about that. You put those words into my mouth when you ran out of intelligent things to say.

[Puppylove94]

@Your_secret_nerd then stop bringing up the history of it then. It's important to remember so we don't repeat it- but blaming whites for it in 2016 is ridiculous.

[Your_secret_nerd]

Okay let's talk about the present then😄 Blacks are arrested at higher rates than whites for the same crime.
Blacks are convicted at higher rates than whites for the same crime.
Blacks are incarcerated and sent to prison at higher rates than whites for the same crime. All in 2016. Not the past. today and the same things are still happening. The justice System is built for whites just as it was back then. Even if we forget the past we can look at our present and see black lives still don't matter. I knew I would receive such an ignorant response from a 22-year-old. Two wrongs don't make a right but you're not the ones watching your brothers, son, farther's, and uncles being unjustly murdered in 2016 AND with no justice or conviction. We don't have to blame whites you do a good job of proving our point. Anything else?

[Your_secret_nerd]

The Native Americans blame whites also yet I don't see you bringing them up

[Bobbyhill1]

@FakeName123 look at the fbi statistics troll, there is no need to do math. 6 million whites commit crimes annually, while 2 million blacks commit crimes. If you think otherwise you dont know your stats

[alphadoggystyle]

you're stupid as f*ck.. in fact the only one here being logical and showing any intelligence is fakename 123. You cannot change human nature, if we see black people committing violent crime more often while working as a cop, and we read the news and statistics confirming that blacks are percentage wise more likely to commit violent crime, then that will affect any normal persons perception and make them more cautious around such people when a crime has been reported and the cops are heading for their location. You cannot change this mentality any more than you can change the fact that women are attracted to height and money, its biological.

[madhatters4]

@alphadoggystyle all you are saying it you subscribe to racial stereotyping also known as racism

[Puppylove94]

lol that's your favorite line

[madhatters4]

it's not my favorite line. nothing about racial issues is my favorite anything; however, people should know the weight of their words and beliefs. the state of new jersey's supreme court banned police profiling because it specifically led to behavior that they deemed racist. profiling people based on race is unconstitutional but even worse it's inhumane.

you know what sucks, that everyone doesn't understand that very simple concept.

[alphadoggystyle]

It isn't racism because if it was any other race doing the exact same thing they would get treated the same way in those circumstances. Im sure white tourists in Japan are more profiled than the local japanese are, same with the party tourists all over southeast asia, because they usually make a bigger mess than the locals.

[jacquesvol]

@FakeName123 No these court decisions don't mention skin color, that 'choice' is left to the discretion of the shooting cops.

[madhatters4]

@alphadoggystyle and if that is the case it's not ok.

please answer this question. if a police officer presumes something about a (in this case) black person because of the that police officer's belief that black people commit more crimes how isn't it the defintiion of racism... keeping in mind the definition of racism is...
"the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, "

[CHARismatic110]

Puppylove you keep saying we've evolved as if the world was all peaches and cream before BLM came into the picture. YOU can count on both hands how many racist people you've met. I was well past my hands and feet a long time ago just so we're clear. You don't speak for everyone. Take the rose colored glasses off. Jim Crow, segregation, lynching for fun etc was only 50-60 years ago. Remember that.

[jacquesvol]

@CHARismatic110 Of course, the world was all peaches and cream before BLM.
Any Saltine knows that.

[Puppylove94]

@CHARismatic110 I never said it was perfect. I said it was improving. That's exactly my point. 50-60 years ago, racisim was horrible. Black people were treated unfairly but we've recognized that and have been trying to move forward. BLM isn't helping with how they are protesting. Yes there have been a few peaceful protests. But most are very violent

[jacquesvol]

@Puppylove94
60 years ago they were burned alive. 50 years ago they were hung, now they're shot (Sandra Bland in Texas was still hung). We're making big progress, only Commie wussies think about pomplaining?

[madhatters4]

i actually think most protests are peaceful. they've been protesting in philly for months without a single incident and in fact have recently started working directly with philly cops to work out issues. i think the peaceful protests simply don't make the news whereas the few cases of violent protests due become front page or headline news

but regardless any violence in protest against cops or stemming from cops is a problem

[Puppylove94]

@jacquesvol I'm not going to even respond to that because you know very well there is a large difference in the numbers.

[Waffles731]

"rioting is helping our society improve how exactly?"
Well rioting is always fun

[Your_secret_nerd]

I noticed you responded to everyone else but because you know you're wrong. You say all that stuff is in the past yet when I said lets talk about the present then and list facts that shows it's still happening and that all lives still don't matter you have nothing to say... Hmmmm interesting

[alphadoggystyle]

The reason it isn't racism is because this cop violence thing and being more suspicious of blacks has nothing to do with biology, if someone thinks blacks are genetically more violent then yes that person is racist and inaccurate, however the african-american culture probably stemming all the way since slavery ended has been associated with higher crime rates when adjusted for population size, its a cultural issue that makes the cops natural instinct to profile blacks to some degree, not all cops do this, but considering how large the US pooulation is you are bound to see some cases where a black person ends up being killed in such a situation, the dishonesty however is present since the media often blows up these kinds of news while keeping silent often when a white person is killed in similar fashion, as we know, in total numbers more whites are killed by cops than blacks.

[Puppylove94]

@Your_secret_nerd lmao look at how many comments i have responded to. I'm not going to dedicate 2 days to this take.

[jacquesvol]

@ObscuredBeyond Hah, were at it: the commies cause all of it.

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[madhatters4]

@alphadoggystyle racism doesn't need to have a biological foundation. in fact in most cases it doesn't. racial stereotypiing is just perceived characteristics man. whether someone believes that the stereotypes are based on stereotype or any other thing is irrelevant to the fact that you ascribe a characteristic to an entire group based on experiences with a few

[Your_secret_nerd]

But you're responding to me now and you were responding to me before but stopped when I proved you wrong and got on the topic about the present. But when a white racist comes up here to take up for you, you seem to admediately respond to agree😳 What a joke you are

[alphadoggystyle]

racism has to be biological because race is based on biology, while culture is not based on race nor biology. for example, if i think arabs often treat their women worse than white men do and my basis behind that argument is islam and sharia law, then im not being racist, im making a statement about their culture, and culture can always change, race cannot, so my comment would not be racist.

[CHARismatic110]

@madhatters4 The Philly protests are almost always peaceful and positive. And Philly also does a lot of community events and protests against violence in our neighborhoods as well. But media doesn't cover it so the puppets don't see it.

[madhatters4]

@alphadoggystyle if cops presume a person to be a threat based on statistical probability of a threat rather than anything that actual person is doing or has done that is called profiling. if that person is black it's called racial profiling something the American government has said is illegal because it is rooted in racism. rationalize it any way you want. it's racist for cops to act based on purely superficial characteristics of a suspect

[madhatters4]

@CHARismatic110 exactly. people say BLM is violent. it certainly has it violent arms that are acting like idiots but there are BLM protests every single day all over the country. if they get any media attention is only local. but the national news covers the violence so it appears that that is all that BLM is... the same can be said for the police though. there are good cops saving lives of people of all races every day. but we primarily hear about cops in the national news when something bad happens

[CHARismatic110]

@madhatters4 absolutely. The media is the ultimate puppet master and we are all just puppets dancing on strings. I cut mine. Until other people decide to cut their strings and free themselves, they won't ever see things for what they really are.

[jacquesvol]

@CHARismatic110 The owners of the media are the puppetmasters.

[jacquesvol]

@FakeName123 Statistically whites are a lot more likely to commit school shootings and even genocides.

[Bobbyhill1]

@alphadoggystyle at least let your info be accurate, he is not saying anything logical at all. His statement and yours is a misinterpretation. they aren't likely to commit every violent crime idiot, they are more likley to commit robbery and homicide THATS IT

[jacquesvol]

@FakeName123 "Selective perception, subjectivity and confirmation bias."
If that's how cops behave we can't trust them with guns.

[alphadoggystyle]

nah, you are confusing prejudice with racism, if you think something is wrong about a certain group of peoples culture, then you are prejudiced, not necessarily a racist, for it to be racist there has to be a biological reasoning behind the prejudice, someone who has prejudice towards culture would not feel the same way about someone from that race who was raised differently and with different culture, while a racist would not care about stuff like that because they hate the person because of his/her race which you cannot change.

[alphadoggystyle]

nope, you're wrong, in this case the racial profiling of black communities is not necessarily racist, but prejudiced. there is a difference. To be racist the discrimination has to have a biological basis at its core.

[alphadoggystyle]

@Bobbyhill1 i didn't say they where likely to commit every violent crime, i simply said that they are overrepresented in most types of violent crime based on population size, and knowing this fact makes cops more cautious in such neighborhoods, its a completely human and natural reaction. Now stfu idiot.

[ObscuredBeyond]

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[ObscuredBeyond]

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[Bobbyhill1]

@alphadoggystyle no YOU are the idiot. Next time be more specific in your replies.

[alphadoggystyle]

@Bobbyhill1 Nope, you are the idiot, not me. You just have to low of an IQ to understand what i wrote, and the point went completely over your head.

[Bobbyhill1]

@alphadoggystyle no, you are an idiot, because you initially mentioned ''violent crime'' and nothing else to specify what you were saying

[madhatters4]

@ObscuredBeyond your meme doesn't address the primary concern of BLM or others who are talking about problems in our justice system. all recent protests have been about UNARMED suspects and the problem that 44% of unarmed suspect fatalities are people who represent less than 6% of the population.

[alphadoggystyle]

@Bobbyhill1 Nope, you are the idiot, not me. This is fact and will never change regardless of what you say. I mentioned in my first reply in this discussion that it was blacks are overrepresented percentage wise in violent crime, which is true, even if it isn't specifically the case in every type of violent crime, but for violent crimes overall the statement is true. I didn't say ALL anywhere in the post so its you who are to stupid to get the point and are just grasping at a strawman. Now stfu. You lost.

[Bobbyhill1]

@alphadoggystyle see you are still an idiot. Blacks are only dominating in crimes such as homicide and robbery. so overall? no, whites still are over represented. The rest of the crimes are all dominated by white people. its common sense and anyone who says otherwise is just talking without knowing anything. You dont know how to word your statements correctly, and then you get mad when people correct you. its pathetic. Nothing you said is a fact. Its nothing but a misinterpreted or twisted fact.

[alphadoggystyle]

@Bobbyhill1 Nope, you are the idiot, not me. this is fact along with everything else i said. everything you said was false. And whites are not overrepresented overall in violent crime, they are supposed to dominate in all versions of violent crime due to being around 70% of the population in the US. Yet they dont in some categories, so that means the statement "blacks are overrepresented in violent crime statistics" is not wrong at all, just because you failed in understanding the specifics and had to go for a strawman missing the point entirely just shows what a pathetic faggot you are.

[Bobbyhill1]

@alphadoggystyle I never went for a straw man idiot. Whites commit 6 million out of 9 million violent crimes and blacks commit about 2 million. you dont know what over represented means you stupid fool. Keep talking out of your ass about how retarded you are, its quite funny

[Bobbyhill1]

@alphadoggystyle and there is only TWO categories out of a dozen+ thats blacks are dominating in. its clear that you are to stupid to specify so you just say ''violent crime'' when blacks only commit 2/9 while whites commit 6/9 of all violent crime. you would have had a argument if you said robbery and homicide but you are to much of an idiot to come up with a good argument

[alphadoggystyle]

@Bobbyhill1 yes you did go for a strawman you idiot. 6 million whites out of 9 million is not being overrepresentative when whites are 70% of the population, while blacks are like 13%, learn some math retard. you lost deal with it.

[madhatters4]

@alphadoggystyle and @Bobbyhill... hate to step in here at all but do you guys think you could take this convo into a response of yours or something? just a little annoying getting notifications of your back and forth for 10 days now

[CHARismatic110]

I find it funny that when this movement first came about, even BEFORE the extremist got hold of it, people complained about it then too. Hence the birth of #AllLivesMatter. You all completely disregarded the message behind the movement. Truth be told, people wanted a reason to crucify the movement. And now that you have it, you're having a field day with it. Go right ahead. The meaning still stands. Black lives still matter. And people think you're a racist because you basically admit to it in so many words.

[Puppylove94]

Read my last sentence. All lives should matter. Why are we singling out one race?

[CHARismatic110]

One race isn't being singled out. One race is speaking up and saying that we matter TOO, because it sure as hell doesn't feel like it.

[Puppylove94]

Of course blacks matter. Racisim had decreased drastically up until this black lives movement started to come about. It doesn't just happen overnight. But what BLM is doing right now is just going to makes things worse.

[CHARismatic110]

Lmao no, it hadn't. And of course you'll blame the movement for it getting worse and ignore the fucking reasons for why the movement was created in the first damn place. God, I can't. You keep believing in those stereotypes girl. I bet you're waiting for me to go "oh no she didn't" on your ass now right? Lol smh. Sad.

[Puppylove94]

no, i'm not. I have nothing against black people. Yes, if i have a reason to believe a stereotype would be true for a certain person, I might make assumptions. For example, if i see a guy with sagging pants and a wife beater on i might grab my purse a little tighter- but I would do that if the guy were black or white.

I know nothing about you so i wouldn't make any assumptions. From what i've seen- you seem like a very nice and level headed person. I have plenty of black friends- I even dated a mixed guy for 2 years.

I simply disagree with how BLM is being argued. Riots, vandalizing, justifying "getting revenge", saying racist remarks to whites is not okay. I feel like BLM is moving more towards black supremacy.

[CHARismatic110]

Please and where we're you before all of that was happening? Where are you when the peaceful protests are happening? There would be no BLM is black lives mattered. So if you're upset with the movement be upset with the reasons for why it exists.

[Puppylove94]

i guess well just have to agree to disagree.

[G-Daz]

Who is saying black lives don't matter to begin with? according to the US fbi statistics, it would take 15 years of police officers killing black people over a period of 15 years to equal the same amount of black people killed by other black people in a year. The blm movement has held everyone back and continues to. There won't be any community improvement. Sure there are bad cops but blm would happily abolish the police force if they could and true fuckery shal arive

[G-Daz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksRB4faMU7o although presented in a very provocator fashion, it's quite a quick summary. the statistics are accurate according to the USA statistical bureau of statistics. Or people can say statistics are then racist and we go nowhere

[CHARismatic110]

@G-Daz was waiting for someone to come with the damn statistics. Welcome. Exactly who are BLM holding back?

[Puppylove94]

uhhh i gave a link to statistics. lol not my problem if you decided not to read it.

[CHARismatic110]

@G-Daz blacks killing blacks has nothing to do with cops killing them because when they commit these murders they fought to jail. The end.

[CHARismatic110]

Go***

[CHARismatic110]

I know you gave links. I purposely didn't read. Just like I'm not going to read his. They're all the same. Post a million links. They won't change a damn thing.

[Puppylove94]

mmhmmm

[FakeName123]

The key reason BLM got shit right from the start was mainly because ridiculous anarchy (Ferguson for example) prior as well as using cases where there was a good chance the cop was justified with what he did. Rather a witchhunt was created without knowing all the facts, etc.

[Elarra]

@CHARismatic110 Ignore the people commenting. They don't know what discrimination is and you see it everywhere all over the news. They just simply don't care. That's why I stopped explaining to people, especially white people, that they're privileged. I'm sure most white people know they're privileged, they just don't want to admit it because they would then be admitting that other minorities don't have it the same as they do.

[G-Daz]

Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.

Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black and black men are 6.5% of the US population. According to Mac Donald, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person.

Cops kill significantly more white people than black

FBI statistics are pretty clear,

www.dailywire.com/.../5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler
ucr.fbi.gov/.../

[G-Daz]

black lives matter clearly doesn't care about black lives, or any lives for that mattter, especially when they protest before knowing the result of a death. dangerously provoking police offers isn't the best way to deal with it. According to the FBI statistics, they're more likely to confront a police officer

[CHARismatic110]

@Elarra yeah, I'm convinced these people don't care as well. I'll let them continue to list their statistics as if that changes anything.

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Dazwgst what do you mean who is saying black lives don't matter to begin with? Look at our history. Jim Crow laws, Slave patrol, black codes, KKK, assassination of MLK, human zoos, white anti racism, the southern strategy, the rape of enslaved women, white flight, Madison grant, etc.
All lives didn't exist until black lives matter started. And you ask who said black lives didn't matter when there Where lynching, hanging, burnings rape, beatings, humilations, piggy back riding, ect? You're ignorant

[Your_secret_nerd]

Statistic says that there are more white serial killers in the world than any other race so clearly all lives didn't matter to them. How's that for statistics. You won't here them bringing up statics about themselves

[Puppylove94]

@Your_secret_nerd once again.. more people because whites make up a majority of the population. The ratio for black homicides is larger tho, learn how to read statistics

[Your_secret_nerd]

If you knew your statistics you would know it doesn't matter if more white make up the population. They kill more than Asians, Arabs, etc. They also lead in mass shooting and suicide. Terrorist is what that is

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd
I say "don't" not "didn't. i'm talking about the present clearly... You want every modern person of race to catogorise themselves and hold value by virtue of their race. ironically the laws you're using as a criticism to me, you are doing yourself now. You're proclaiming the value of someone today depends entirely on their race and by virtue of my race or other peoples. I am to be condemned without a wrong doing. You see race only, which is the problem.

As much as you'd like to think every caucasion person is an advocate of jim crow, black code, the kkk (although generally racist. Good luck finding a high enough proportion of people that support them and actually allow them to do anything, to white people they're considered laughing stock), you're enforcing a belief n the value of people by their race. This itself is racist. Interestingly, black lives matter doesn't acknowledge the biggest African slave trade in history which is the muslim slave trade

[G-Daz]

1400 years of slavery and over 3 billion Africans dead and still exists in modern times. BLM would never take any attempt at tackling real issues because that is not what the modern movement is about. It's a movement of division and only acknowledges victims that were killed by the "enemy" the caucasion. IT doesn't do anything to address internal issues or make improvements, rather it pushes a blame mentality rather than address issues and improve. As you've ignored... racism has shot up through the roof since black lives matter. you're supporting something that's makign everything worse. IT pisses me off most because the USA is exporting this shit and creating racial issues in countries that neverr had this issue

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd
"Statistic says that there are more white serial killers in the world than any other race so clearly all lives didn't matter to them. How's that for statistics. You won't here them bringing up statics about themselves "

Sure. I haven't researched this because I haven't heard this before but I shall happily do a google search. I don't generally look at things related to race because i'm not race obsessed liek the people that tend to support blm are.

Google search "statistics on race of serial killers"

"Serial Killer Statistics Data
Demographics of Serial Killers' Victims Percent
By Race
White 68.21%
Black 23.81%"
www.statisticbrain.com/.../

Percentage of US that is white 70%, percentage that is black 13%. Now, consider the population sizes in proportion.

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd " If you knew your statistics you would know it doesn't matter if more white make up the population. They kill more than Asians, Arabs, etc. They also lead in mass shooting and suicide. Terrorist is what that is "

This is an example of selective data reading. You've already set your reality. nothing will change that. Perhaps because you haven't been educated on things like the muslim slave trade of black americans for 1400 years including in the present you probably don't care because it challenges yoru agenda

[Puppylove94]

@G-Daz you sure do know your history haha

[CHARismatic110]

You praise anyone that agrees with you or comes to your rescue rather than actually pay attention to anyone who tried to get you to see another side of this. Because you don't want to. You should've just taken the "lives matters" out of your Take title.

[Puppylove94]

I actually have had a civilized conversation with someone who wasn't being completely irrational. I usually like your comments and you seem like a cool person but it's obvious we butt heads on this issue. We're both very bias

[CHARismatic110]

Indeed.

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz you're not teaching me anything I don't already know. Fact of the matter is we're in the US being killed and that's what this post is about. Black lives matter Movement is uniting black people and that Cleary intimidates you. Also since the BLM there has been community improvement. I gave you facts and Answerd your question "who is saying black lives didn't matter to begin with" yet you still choose to make excuses with that question and switch the subject on to the Muslim Slave trade but have yet to bring the fact that whites are still being traded as slaves today. A peace treaty in 2005 put an end to the slave raids, which at least an improvement. However, the treaty provided no way home for those already enslaved. Today, CSI continues working to bring these people home. Muslims also have enslaved white people but Is all lives matter talking about that? Nope. Why isn't your all lives matter shedding light to the white soilders that are hunting down black kids for sport?

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz so all lives matter movement Cleary does not care about all lives too much either. You also speak as if white people dont riot. You day BLM is a movement of division but so is cops killing innocent black, all lives matter movement, and voting for trump. Which is What white people are doing. That makes you racist hypocrite that you can only see the negative in BLM but not anything else. Only because it's ran by black people.

[Your_secret_nerd]

And you preach about two wrongs don't make a right yet you support the all lives matter movement. Make sense

[G-Daz]

thanks haha, i would rather form my opinions on evidence rather than emotional impulses i guess. The statistics i gave were ignored and the problems i brought up were not addressed in answers. I decided to address their answer (which was calling all white people majority serial killers) - again... a huge example of race baiting that BLM activists love to do and then have an issue with racism in america like ffs

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd
"Fact of the matter is we're in the US being killed and that's what this post is about. Black lives matter Movement is uniting black people and that Cleary intimidates you."

You don't see the issue here. You're complaining about racism yet you advocate racial division. Which you view as "racial unity" I guess you would be first to advocate the highest value for something to fight on is the value of their race above all... so you'd be free to forgive other things. Statistically the black people being killed are being killed by minority police officers after being provoked... this doesn't matter though because that is not waht blm is worried about. As you say... it's about the unity of black peope (except those black people that don't prioritise race as their value system like the black killed police officers). Intimidated isn't the word. more irritating with increasingly worse race relations thanks to blm.

[CHARismatic110]

@G-Daz your statistics are bullshit and the biggest form of race baiting because you only ever bring them out when it comes to this topic when they are irrelevant. Black on black crime doesn't have shit to do with a cop killing a civilian.

[Elarra]

@G-Daz If after all this time, all these cop shootings, and all these media releases and articles about BLM, you still think it's about black people thinking they're better than other races, then you really haven't been paying attention.

Before you -comment- on the movement, you should probably read up on it first by unbiased media, also known as, the people who started the movement.

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd No one is hunting black people for sport. You really do view the world through the lens of race and tribesmanship. Yes, the muslim slave trade equally enslaved white people, although political correctness that white people are more likely to hold than any other race means that they don't care to teach this in school. I don't advocate race baiting but if you're going to be selective on what you choose to acknowledge and what you choose to support. There is no discussion to be had.

You clearly want a racial divide based society. You stated "since the BLM there has been community improvement" actually there hassn't and I challenge you to find evidence of that because I've found lots of evidence to the contrary. Black neighbourhoods were actually improving prior to blm, they've gone to shit since the reduction in police force and the fear law enforcement now have to help bring back peace to poverty stricten neighbourhoods where there is little chance for small business

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz but I stated facts in which you ignored also. All lives matter is worse than black than black lives matter.

[Your_secret_nerd]

His favorite line is bringing up black on black crime as if white on white crime doesn't exist. He's pathetic and racist

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd I don't believe therre is any objective rationalisation of the blm movement, i wouldn't challenge it to provide rational reassons. It's a unifying race movement of hatred with no clear goal other than oppression (caucasion oppression) and racial division. Heck many of blm would like to completely abolish the police force and choose self enforcement... good luck with that. I bet there will be a complain later on when there are a mountain of bodies that caucasions are again racist for forgetting about the communities by not police enforcing them.

There isn't any rational thinking that i can gather and i would like someone to attempt to rationalise this besides race baiting and racial division

[Elarra]

@G-Daz I love how you just ignored my comment. @Your_secret_nerd and @CHARismatic110 His ignoring my comment is proof that he really just wants to argue just to argue.

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz yes because historically white people are rational thinkers😂😂 as I said all lives matter is worse than BLM.

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd I never argued white on white crime exists. I actually gave you an fbi statistics data base. I shown you that the majority of homicide victims are related to people of the same race killing people of the same race. I actually proclaimed that since the beginning. my first post actually with the video

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz and the clear goal is to have the same justice as white people. Which we Cleary don't and to unite black people. Which it Cleary had

[Your_secret_nerd]

Has*

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz baiting and racial division is exactly what all lives matter is

[CHARismatic110]

@G-Daz like I told her, you wanna crucify BLM and blame them for the racial divide. THE MOVEMENT WASN'T CREATED FOR NOTHING!!! Keep pretending that there were no problems and the world was this perfect place. You're lying to yourself.

[G-Daz]

You're creating a straw man... I never at all claimed the world is perfect. Didn't mention that once. I clearly gave a graph earlier saying... "divisive race relations were on a decrease" prior to obama. then accelerated with the blm movement. I don't think that implies that there was none.

If you think race baiting and racial uniting hatred against other races is the solution. That's your belief. "all" lives matter clearly means "all". "black" lives matter isn't exactly a way of unifying all races... but that is not the goal of blm. Ideally it wants the unity of black people against others and the division of other races. Just imagine any other race tried this. You're thinking very selectively

[Elarra]

@G-Daz Black Lives Matter isn't meant to unify all races. It's meant to unify black people against unlawful acts against us as committed by the government. It doesn't mean down with white people. Geez, you aren't exactly the brightest light on the Christmas tree, are you? You act like even white people don't support the movement.

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz yes there has been white men hunting kids in Africa. Know your facts before you run to statistics sheep. It was even on Facebook before they quickly took it down.

[CHARismatic110]

@G-Daz if all lives mattered then there would be no need for BLM. Period. And if BLM wanted black unity and was forming this black army to take down whites, explain the white supporters of the movement. They gonna take down other white people too? Do you realize how foolish you sound? The extremists and radicals don't speak for the entire movement and they don't change the meaning of it.

[Your_secret_nerd]

He's just race baiting you because he's ignorant. White people defense mechanism: making black people the criminals to cover up their true intensions. He's a trump supporter. You can tell

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd I'm sure a large population of white people go hunting black kids in africa. Of course because white people are the devil and as bad as the things we do. We love hunting humans right. There's tinfoil hats for this.

You clearly are compelled to need a turbulent culture of race relations and racial supremacy. You realise there is a minority of people doing shit things in all races against others? I believe you only care about factors if it means race is the utmost importance. Black lives matter loves to support the unity of black people against others when black lives matter interestingly (although you must argue statistics must be racist if they say the opposite) kill more black people than any other race. Black on black crime is disproportionately the highest and according to data (you find irrelevant) has got worse with law enforcement more scared than ever to poice black neighbourhoods. I like your ad homined attack you made, helps your argument a lot by the way

[Your_secret_nerd]

White people create fake statics to throw at black people to cover up their wrong doings. At least black people admit to our wrong doings. Even with our history they try to make blacks the bad guys and come up with all lives matter, which didn't exist until black lives matter did. They even created black supremacy. That's sad and pathetic.

[G-Daz]

triggered

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz no I'm just stating facts that you know are true so you reduced to using a child's term such as triggered to justify you being speechless

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz anything whites get their hands on its destroyed. I'm not calling you Devils but history doesn't lie.

[FakeName123]

@Your_secret_nerd

"anything whites get their hands on its destroyed"

Except all the technology and wealth you are receiving these days. Lol

I just imagine someone white saying everything blacks do gets destroyed - people would lose their fuckin shit.

[G-Daz]

I find it fascinating that the supremacy of the blm supporters ironically resorting to attacking the race of the "opponent" then proceeding to say how it's about unifying black people. Funny but it's not even the most inconspicuous was of giving a bit turbulent FU to the opponent.

At least BLM should attempt at being discreet about it, calling all data and statistics a product of white people's racism and policing ghetto's (Even if the police force itself enforcing the area is black) a product of white oppression.

It's easy to see how much rationality and logic this movement has. Every time it just confirms the racial supremacist basis of the movement and argues when anyone acknowledges what BLM tells you directly

[CHARismatic110]

@FakeName123 except that's basically what y'all are have BEEN saying, in so many words.

[Elarra]

@G-Daz I love how you talk of white oppression. Meanwhile, Ben & Jerry's owners, both white males, just announced their support of the movement like, literally, an hour ago. Why support a movement that oppresses them? I wonder...

[G-Daz]

I love how you talk of white oppression. Meanwhile, Ben & Jerry's owners, both white males, just announced their support of the movement like, literally, an hour ago. Why support a movement that oppresses them? I wonder... "

Can't recall where i'm talking about that at all. I love how you are debating (in your case arguing) on straw mans. There are black nazi's, male feminists, heck even black kkk members. You're just making emotional arguments and have issues with facts and statistics so there is no substance to this discussion. white people are especially suceptible to political correctness and self hatred, not so much for others so i don't see how i should be surprised. I believe people should be free tobelieve what they like anyway... although to you, you'd rather decadence

[Elarra]

@G-Daz "I don't believe therre is any objective rationalisation of the blm movement, i wouldn't challenge it to provide rational reassons. It's a unifying race movement of hatred with no clear goal other than oppression (caucasion oppression) and racial division."

Yeah, you totally didn't say it. Can't even keep up with your own flimsy arguments.

[G-Daz]

@Elarra How does that argue it? I said "It's a unifying race movement of hatred with no clear goal other than oppression (caucasion oppression) and racial division." - Hence "GOAL"

[CHARismatic110]

@G-Daz "white people are especially suceptible to political correctness and self hatred, not so much for others so i don't see how i should be surprised."

So if a white person doesn't follow your narrative, doesn't agree with what you're saying, and actually supports the real meaning of BLM and can actually see the real problems, they're a self hater? Good lord. I'm officially done with this conversation

[Elarra]

@G-Daz So... you're saying that Ben and Jerry's, a white owned company that's risking it's entire business by backing the movement, has a goal of oppressing white people?

[G-Daz]

nope. I never argued that. I want people to form opinions on facts and reason. not emotionally impulsive triggers. You just proclaimed that there is a "real" basis to blm. Something the supremacist movement (with no head leader) has made clear beyond the defensive race baiters that support the movement. You didn't address it in any of your points so i can't see the sense

[G-Daz]

@Elarra nope... never said that. white people today (generally) aren't looking to go into race wars like many of the blm activists are clearly doing. You on the other hand view through the lens of racial divisions. Thats how you believe the world should move forward. most people aren't going to care about being ok or hateful of someone they disagree with. This is life, not everyone is going to agree with you. black lives matter has a goal of racial supremacy, clearly and evidently displayed throughout the movement and clear disinterest of helping improve black neighbourhoods

[Elarra]

@G-Daz Lol, you did, you're changing your argument now to save face. I don't understand how a fact is an emotional trigger. Well, I do when it comes from you. You don't like when facts are used against you is my point. You make generalized statements about BLM being a race baiting movement and it having a goal of oppression, mainly against white people. When you deny you said that, and then proven wrong, you then try to mince words and back track and you can't. Movements don't have to have a head leader. The Civil Rights Movement didn't. In fact, it had several, just like BLM does. So when I ask you why are white people, especially those a shit ton to lose, back the movement who, according to you, has the goal of oppressing them, it's a legit question. And you're not answering it because you just don't have a good answer. Who backs something that wants to oppress them?

[G-Daz]

@Elarra "I don't understand how a fact is an emotional trigger. Well, I do when it comes from you."

^^ read the triggering above under the statistics. No argument has been changed actually, you just read it in your own way :).

"You don't like when facts are used against you is my point. "

Read above about the accusation of being serial killers after ignoring the statistics i provided from the fbi database. clearly only someone is addressing statistics objectively.

"You make generalized statements about BLM being a race baiting movement and it having a goal of oppression, mainly against white people. When you deny you said that, "

Never denied it, i said it IS a race baiting supremacist movement, with no clear goal other than to oppress caucation people only, abolish the police force, not fix the obvious crime prpoblem in black neighbourhoods and black on black crime. Only prioritise race.

" you're not answering it because you just don't have a good answer. Who backs something

[Elarra]

@G-Daz Lol, again, avoiding the actual question lol

[G-Daz]

@Elarra " you're not answering it because you just don't have a good answer. Who backs something that wants to oppress them?"

Answered... you clcearly skipped or jave no interest in reading. Answered directly after,
"white people today (generally) aren't looking to go into race wars like many of the blm activists are clearly doing. You on the other hand view through the lens of racial divisions. Thats how you believe the world should move forward. most people aren't going to care about being ok or hateful of someone they disagree with. This is life, not everyone is going to agree with you. black lives matter has a goal of racial supremacy, clearly and evidently displayed throughout the movement and clear disinterest of helping improve black neighbourhoods " - ben and jerry, many people support things they know little about. this shouldn't be news especially as a blm activist as you are. you must think every black person that doesn't support the racially divisive movement is an ut

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz he says white people aren't looking into going into race wars yet half of them are voting for Donald trump. What a joke

[Your_secret_nerd]

And yes. White people turned this justice system into trash. White came to America and look at our history. Also I don't work under white people. I work under a black owned company. There are also black inventors so don't speak as if America is great because of white people or like we owe you anything. Privileged ass minds.

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd what race is trump racist towards and how?

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd like i said, you view reality through the lens of race. can't exactly move on from there. any point is pretty much mute

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz blacks and Hispanics. Also I can go on and on about trump racist ass but you're baiting plus I think you're racist yourself so he'll have your vote with or without an explanation

[Puppylove94]

@Your_secret_nerd lol trump isn't racist

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd How is he racist against black and hispanic voters? you never actually said how. you just made a blanket statement

(hispanic also isn't a race). Trump actually has actually been doing great with black and hispanic voters www.washingtonpost.com/.../

You can't just call everyone a racist for disagreeing with you and actually not providing any credible or even self justified reasons for your statements. You're just calling names and not saying why. That's not how it works. It's interesting that you are calling me a racist now when you're a black lives matter advocate

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz anyone who says trump isn't racist just proves how racist they are.

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz Donald was sued by the justice department multiple times for not renting his apartments to African Americans and having different rules and regulations than the white tenants. He talks about Mexico sending rapist and killers over the borders as if the Mexican government just packs them up sends them to the us. He also stated from his own mouth that" laziness is a trait in blacks." Yet he's not racist? He wants to band ALL Muslims out of America, etc. He has a long history of saying and doing racist things. It's not really surprising that he's won the support and praise of the county's white supremacist. He allows racist to throw out blacks/ Mexicans, Muslims, etc during his speeches/rally's. Supporters Beat Up A Black Lives Matter Protester, And Trump Was OK With It! But he's not racist right? all lives matter right? You're only saying he's not racist because he's not racist against WHITES. Let that have been Obama doing things like that. Then it would be racist.

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz The fact that you're voting for a racist man who CLEARLY shows all lives don't matter yet you're up here preaching about how all lives matter shows how ignorant you are. If you don't think that's racist then you're part of the problem. You'll ignore these facts though because you're racist also but too coward to admit it.

[G-Daz]

@Your_secret_nerd Actually the CORRECT quote that Trump did say about Mexico is (mexico is a country, not a race btw) He atually said... Mexico isn't sending their best over, they're sending the ones that have lots of problems, the criminals vs the actual ones that would support the already 20 trillion debt economy. That's very different then the sound bytes i'm sure you get triggered on. I have not heard that statement about Black peoeple that you said, source please? Also Islam is not a race... you cannot be racist against an idea. Would you call someone a racist for being Anti Nazi? I would have used the BLM as racists but i'm sure you hold them highly. I actually can't vote for Trump, i'm not American lol. all lives don't matter to black lives matter. You're caling me a racist when you're an extremest blm supporter

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz nice try trying to save face but he's a racist and you're voting for him. Good luck in life idiot. It's pathetic you're an all lives matter exatreamist yet love a man who states in so many ways that all lives doesn't matter exept whites. BLM isn't black lives matter only. It's black lives matter as well. I love proving racist idiots wrong😭😭😭😭😭

[Your_secret_nerd]

@G-Daz “When Mexico sends its people, it is not sending their best. … They’re rapists.” 😂😂😂😂 but he's not racist right? You're a against BLM because you're racist. Plain and simple.

[WhiteSteve]

I don't have the energy today to write a long diatribe, but @RedThread and @DodgersGM are pretty much singing my song.

My short response is: I just can't for the life of me understand why there's so much blind, unearned respect for authority in this country. The fact that police are automatically championed as heroes in the white community is simply frightening. In the words of George Carlin, "cop lovers and soldier sniffers." And you face ostracization if you say anything disparaging about either one. If you can't see where that's dangerous, I don't know what to tell you.

If you've been reading any of these and seen my prior responses, you'll know I have an "unconventional" outlook on humanity and the concept of society, government, etc... without going into detail, the short answer is that the whole thing is a sham and we're supposed to be doing what every other species of animal besides us is doing, so no wonder society is overall an abject failure. But that's going way further than probably even the folks I agree with on BLM are willing to go. So to operate within the bounds of unfortunate reality rather than my ideals, I'll just say that it's pretty crazy that we have a gang of armed people who supposedly can tell us what to do in the first place, and additionally crazy that these guys are celebrated by so many, when 5, 10, 20 years ago, these were just dumbasses from the bottom third of your high school class who wanted to be Billy Badasses. Personally, I don't think it's brave or heroic, but rather AUDACIOUS to have the thought cross your mind that maybe you're someone who should be enforcing a bunch of man-made rules and telling other humans what they can and can't do. Additionally, they have weapons and use deadly force... cops are idiots, just like the rest of us, never forget that. Even "the good ones." So putting lives in these people's hands is not really a great idea. But we can't say anything, we have to treat every one of them like they went running into the danger at 9/11 and the Boston Marathon. Once in a while they do that one grand gesture of bravery, and the lot of them skate on that reputation forever. And the problem with that is that it puts these people on a pedestal where it's become "un-American" and "unpatriotic" to dare to criticize them, like YOU'RE the douchebag, because most people don't use their brains and just go along with whatever they're told to think or what everyone else is doing. Truly frightening.

[RedThread]

And it's usually the people who claim to hate big government and want to be super critical of government enterprises that are so defensive. I don't understand it.

[WhiteSteve]

@RedThread It's unbelievable. I don't want to open the 2nd Amendment can of worms here, but it fascinates me that a lot of these same people are all into their "Constitutional rights" (a GOV'T document), and they have this simultaneous unquestioningly obedient respect for police (a GOV'T agency)... so my question always is: "If they repealed the 2nd amendment and 'that damn Muslim-who's-from-Africa-but-he's-also-got-no-right-to-stir-up-all-these-race-issues-because-he's-half-white-and-that-suits-my-argument-right-now' Obama took away all their guns, who are they going to send to take them from you? The mailman?" It's going to be the cops whose boots you spitshine, and probably the military too🙄

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure where in this article you listed the stats on the number of "good cops" reporting corrupt police officers in their own precincts. Also where is the part where you also talk about how cops fear losing their jobs or being black listed for doing the right thing. Or where is the part about how police have admitted profiling, and racist behavior towards blacks on a number of occasions, or how about the long history of mistreatment of blacks by cops (open a history book or three please) that have absolutely nothing to do with them "not obeying" an officers rules. You want to talk about reasons for things happening and stereotypes having basis... except this isn't a stereotype if its absolutely true in a lot of cases... but it kind of sounds like you probably don't see that or want to believe that it happens because as long as its not you, or your community, or the majority of officers, in your mind are doing well, it doesn't matter if others are mistreated.

It's so simple to create this picture where everything is so simple. This whole idea of everything about BLM is wrong is dismissing the fact that many many black people are mistreated and treated unfairly under the same laws that you have to live under and many are there fighting with their words to get people like you to recognize that when something is wrong, we shouldn't just gloss over it or pretend it doesn't exist to make ourselves feel better at night. Why pray tell, is your solution to figuring it all out, posting crime stats. I mean come on. Do crime stats solve or help prevent racism, profiling, black on black deaths, or "reverse racism"... the answer is no... no they don't.

All these post ever do is talk at the problems that exists with cops, within the black community, with the judicial system... but I don't see posts actually condemning corrupt cops and asking them to solve THEIR problems within THEIR community the way everyone is so quick to say, all black people should all solve their own problems.

Now let's sit down and have a real talk about hypocrisy...

[CHARismatic110]

This is so spot on.

[WhiteSteve]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=puMTs7F_yww

[jacquesvol]

This happens to "good cops" reporting corrupt police officers:
theantimedia.org/.../
In Chicago IPRA investigators get fired and or beaten up:
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../chicago-independent-police-review-authority-ipra_us_55b2a104e4b0074ba5a49c78
www.thedailybeast.com/.../...-cops-beat-me-up.html
(IPRA was independent and created because internal police audits just didn't work. I think it has been disbanded since.

[Opinion Owner]

@jacquesvol I've read quite a few stories on good cops being fired and much worse over trying to expose corruption on police forces or outing a partner for wrong doing... so what hope does John Q citizen have if at base cops won't even bother to clean their own houses? How can we even sit there and say then that citizens are in the wrong for complaining about their experiences with cops when cops readily admit that they have seen and heard and been a part of these situations but feared that if they said anything, xyz was going to happen? So of course, these bad officers are allowed to stay right where they are.

This is why this situation is entirely much more complicated than saying citizens are just out of the blue complaining about nothing. If they can't report, how good can they all actually be allowed to be if they basically sit tied up by their own departments and fellow officers when they do notice one of their own continuously breaking their own laws?

[jacquesvol]

Blue protects blue. As old as the world.

[Opinion Owner]

@jacquesvol It's the same with the military. If there is no clear oversight there than we can't expect problems like this to go away or even get better. I give little credence to those that just place blame on one side or the other. This system is flawed on all sides which compounds the base problems.

[RedThread]

It's times like this when I really have to wonder if people have any empathy at all. There's a tendency for people to paint everyone with the same brush. You don't have to support the actions of every person in BLM to support the message. Black people are like 14% of the population in America. What threat do they pose to your sweet lily whiteness? Let's be real here.

I'm a white guy who thinks you are a racist. You conveniently ignore the sociological reasons why crime could be higher in certain communities because it doesn't suit your narrative. It's just black people being black people so they should accept being treated differently because why the fuck not? That's sarcasm if you didn't get the message.

It's also pretty fucked up to try to invalidate a message because of crime statistics. Americans kill each other far more than any terrorists so should we not give a shit about terrorism? We should focus on American on American crime before worrying about shit beyond our borders... Sounds stupid doesn't it? That's the same mentality people bring to the table with black on black crime statistics.

You also realize that there are plenty of people who aren't black who have protested about the issue too right?

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2113075-do-you-support-blacklivesmatter-or-alllivesmatter
I talk about the ignorance of the #AllLivesMatter slogan here. Too much to copy and paste here.

[CHARismatic110]

Man, I know you make some white people maaaaddd with your comments. And I'm just here like...

https://imgur.com/mcgSlpG.jpg

As always, well fuckin said!

[itsallover]

Preach it!

[LadyTerror]

This!

[RainbowFanGirl]

I love you 😪

[legs_n_sheets]

"What threat do they pose to your sweet lily whiteness? Let's be real here."

The issue is not threat. But now YOU are bringing this up here, black people commit most of the racial crimes in the country. Meaning black people murder more white people for specifically racial crimes than vice versa, despite them representing 13% of the population in America.

[legs_n_sheets]

"You conveniently ignore the sociological reasons why crime could be higher in certain communities because it doesn't suit your narrative. It's just black people being black people so they should accept being treated differently because why the fuck not? "

What are those reasons you speak of? The reasons why black people are killing themselves is cultural. 90% of black people being murdered correspond to other blacks, and I am convinced the reason of this is because 72% of black people in United States grow up in single parenthood. It's a matter of attacking THAT problem, instead of the police and a made up systemic racism.

[legs_n_sheets]

"It's also pretty fucked up to try to invalidate a message because of crime statistics. Americans kill each other far more than any terrorists so should we not give a shit about terrorism? "

It's not that statistics invalidate one problem, is that it proves is not the cause of the issue. When you consider cops shooting blacks represent a 2% of the deaths of black people, an considering many of those circumstances are justified (meaning the criminals imposed a threat to the police), there's still a remaining 97% of black people getting killed by different reasons, 90% of them being killed by other blacks. So where are the blm folks addressing that?

[FakeName123]

"You conveniently ignore the sociological reasons why crime could be higher in certain communities because it doesn't suit your narrative."

Just like you conveniently ignore the fact that poverty leads to poverty releated crimes (i. e. theft, robbery, fraud) for every ethnicity - but only blacks have a very drastic increase of violent crimes along with it. But that does not fit your narrative, right?

[Puppylove94]

@FakeName123 hahah good one

[RedThread]

@legs_n_sheets I don't advocate hate crimes of any kind no matter who are the perpetrators.

Also all communities have their problems. I'm not denying that. All I'm simply stating is that people shouldn't be treated differently based on that. People should be taken on an individual basis. People tend to want that for themselves but have no problem turning other people into a statistic. You have to think pretty low of an entire group of people in general to think they're imagining being treated differently.

[RedThread]

@FakeName123 what are you trying to say here? Instead of the smoke and mirrors, just come straight out and say it.

I'm pretty sure violent crime exists in all struggling and impoverished regions of the world. If you have stats to back up that it's only black people I'd love to see it.

[FakeName123]

@RedThread

My point is pretty simple. Your argument was that the MyTake Writers about crime-rates was one-sided and that she conveniently ignores aspects of it - while you did the exact same thing.
In german we have a saying: "Who sits in a house of glass shouldn't throw with stones". Aka you should really be careful of accusing others of things you are quite possibly doing yourself. Either on purpose or by a lack of knowledge is for you to answer.

Furthermore your "I am pretty sure violent crime exists in all struggling" is pointless as well. There are tons of crime statistics and if you compare black poverty ridden areas (in the US) with non blacks of any ethnicity you will see that the violent crimes are especially increased in those areas that are majorily black. Yes, the other ethnicities have a slight increase as well - but by no means as much as it is among blacks. And that is an issue that needs to be adresses instead of throwing around the racism-"argument".

[RedThread]

@FakeName123 well why do you think black live in more poverty striken areas? It's a vicious cycle man. Schools are a disgrace and opportunities are shit. White people aren't willing to give any black person the benefit of the doubt. Hell there are many white folks on this thread advocating treating black people as less than others due to crime statistics. What fucking chance do people have in such a situation? Our justice system is a disgrace that doesn't reform people. It has an over 70% retention rate that turns minor offenders into hardened criminals.

The justice system and police force is just a bandaid on a greater system of disadvantage based on race that needs to be addressed. Still we shouldn't treat other people differently for the color of their skin which I've seen you advocating in a few comments on here. How does that solve anything?

People aren't willing to invest in these areas to make them better.

[RedThread]

@FakeName123 hell if you want crime to go down.. Let's invest in education and not have it based on property taxes so low income areas don't have shit schools with educators that don't want to be there. Diversify the police force and encourage more community outreach programs. Let's invest in more recreational centers and career building to keep people off the streets.

The issue is people aren't willing to front the bill for this shit

[FakeName123]

@RedThreat

What the fuck? You completely ranting some stuff down that had literally nothing to do with what I said.

My argument was that in areas of similar socioeconomical status, but different ethnicities - the black areas have more violent crime. That has nothing to do with "white people not giving blacks the benefit of a doubt", nothing to do with "advocating treating black as worth less" nor with the disadvantages the justical system has. Those are plain and simple statistical facts.

[Library]

I'm a white guy who agrees with this opinion.

[RedThread]

@FakeName123 yes but what are the social reasons that have led to that? You're speaking of effects without causes and without solutions. It doesn't contribute anything to the conversation.

[WhiteSteve]

Let 'em know bruh
media.tenor.co/.../tenor.gif

[YourName123]

yes, sociological reasons, like lack of intact families and not taking advantage of the free education you are offered?

Or do you mean the fact that it is now the unrecognized EXPECTATION that blacks will be held to a lower standard in classrooms, college admission, job applications and job performance so something seems amiss when the aren't given extra consideration when threatening law enforcement? Is that what you meant by sociological factors?

[RedThread]

@YourName123 do you have 2 usernames or are you just two different people with similar usernames? Again you're offering up no solutions just condemnation.. Come back if you have something productive to add.

@WhiteSteve thanks bro

[YourName123]

i only have one username. this should not need to be spelled out:

Hands up, dont loot

Raise your kids

Hold down a job by showing up on time every day and working hard

Stay in school

It has worked for millions of blacks and works for almost 100% of recent black immigrants who by the way climb the economic ladder faster than poor whites.

i am done with this thread

[YourName123]

there are TONS of poor people in China, however, i can walk around in most Chinese cities in the poorest areas late at night and buy street food and have never felt threatened even once after dozens of trips. And I ma talking about poverty like you have likely never seen

[RedThread]

@YourName123 it's a mystery we aren't all successful.

Have a good one bro.

[RedThread]

@YourName123 again your talk of China isn't accomplishing anything. Are you trying to say we should try Chinese laws in low income areas in the US to reduce crime?

[YourName123]

We should copy Chinese "culture" or pick any one of many cultures that value hard work, family and education.

[JessTheMess]

I really liked your comment. Well said.

[GoldMeddle]

@RedThread If you had asked me ten years ago do black lives matter, I would have said "Yes, of course they do. What a dumb question." But nowadays, things are different. Nowadays saying in response to that "I believe all lives matter" means I believe black lives matter because "all lives" is all encompassing, but I do not support the BLM movement. If somebody asks me do black lives matter or do all lives matter and I answer "black lives matter" that implies I support the movement, and I definitely do not. Given everything I know supporting a movement that will probably die out just to look good in society's eyes would be the immoral thing to do.

Some of the other stuff I agree with. But you can't talk about painting people with a broad brush and then paint people who don't support BLM as unempathetic. Let's be real- you don't actual know them. This is virtue signaling.

[GoldMeddle]

@RedThread I can see why social justice is so popular. All you have to do is make a statement like "I hate Trump" and people cheer you on.

In order to be racist a person must believe one race is superior to another. Perhaps I missed it and she did say it, but in that case, where did she say black people are inferior?

If we're going to bring empathy into this, let me just point this out- people have killed themselves over being labelled racist/fear or being labelled racist.

[Chico_brah]

Yeah let's ignore statistics and talk about feelings. Typical left approach lol.

[Blobb]

"You conveniently ignore the sociological reasons why crime could be higher in certain communities because it doesn't suit your narrative."
But where is that in the BLM movement? Seeing as black on black crime devastates the communities at a civil-war like rate, where are the initiatives and calls to stop this? Where is the call to the government to help address this issue? Where is the call to the government to fix the real socio-economic reasons that make this problem what it is?

That should be the most prominent message of BLM, unfortunately it is not. Thats not what you hear when you hear black lives matter. Police brutality is an issue, but with such momentum surely a movement like that could get past bashing the police to address the deeper issues.

When there's a gun murder rate 15 times higher in one neighbourhood than in another, you can expect cops to be more on edge there.

[Blobb]

While bashing the police force and demanding accountability and training is a must, no amount of training will change a policemans humanity or survival instinct. And no amount of accountability will entirely weed out the bad apples who are committing horrendius crimes and not mistakes.
The one thing that can truly change the game is to fix the underlying issues, and thats not been at the forefront of any BLM advocacy I've seen, which I find quite unfortunate seeing as its gained such momentum and power, it could truly be a force for positive change.

But I doubt it will be, maybe the messages are there and have been blurred out and muted by the media to only cover the less important issues, as is mostly the case. I just hope the movement can do some good, if any.

I doubt, if the first thing you saw in BLM was protesting poor schooling, incarceration results, lack of infrastructure and opportunities, that it would get so much negative attention.

[Blobb]

I doubt if BLM was worded as a clear call to action to the government to help solve these issues, help reduce gun crime, improve education, improve infrastructure, reform the ridiculous prison system, start local. businesses in the community.
I doubt if that was the first thing people saw that they would hate on BLM. Because all of these things do need to change, because they deeply affect those communities.

Targeting law enforcement is not the core issue and it won't fix anything in the long run. Nothing will change if thats the only thing that is taken care of. A little, some innocent lives may be spared, some guilty lives may be spared too. Some may be lost on the other end. But it won't change much in the long run, and that would be such a shame.

[Blobb]

And by the way, Yourlastnanes comment about China is on point.

Youve got kids in 6 square meters, no kitchen, no heating, no shower. Get flooded in typhoon season 3-5 times a year, nowhere to go. Get frozen in winter, with no heating or hot water. Humidity to the max, never able to take their clothes off or relax. Cooked in summer at 40+ with no fans or ac. No place to sit, no light for homework, no way to go to bed till their parent (s) are done working late into the night. Hardly money for food, everything is second hand hand me downs. No social status and no opportunities, the competition is fierce and rich parents have so much more to invest in their kids success. They dont stand a chance, theyre the underdogs a billion to one. And yet none of them curse their teachers, act out in school, get violent or harass and assault others in their neighbourhoods. Im saying none, not a single one. And this isn't just anecdotal. Its more than just poverty, culture has a role.

[FakeName123]

@RedThread

"yes but what are the social reasons that have led to that?"

The causes are within the black community. If I compare hispanic and black communities at similar socioeconomic statuses there are clear differences. If black people and communuities - and especially movements like BLM - wants to be taken serious, they should start cleaning their own act first instead of living in a subculture of lackluster English, violence, gang-culture, musical output that glorifies these kinds of behaviour, etc.

BLM would definitely become more respected that way. But if all they do is "mimimi, everyone else is responsible for our misery" - people will not give a shit. And rightfully so. Why would anyone be willing to help a person that isn't even willing to help themselves?

[DodgersGM]

@FakeName123 NOPE. Blaming the black community is horse shit and, all due respect, makes you look sloppy at best.

"Blacks are not inherently prone to violent crime, poor people sometimes are.

Even with that fact documented, it's it interesting that when you control for poverty for poor urban blacks, that the actual rate of violence is slightly higher for poor urban whites at 56.4 incidents per 1000 white persons vs. 51.3 per 1000 black persons. It may not be more than a statistical anomaly, but it does go directly against the prevailing narrative."

Source (because sources and facts fucking matter): www.dailykos.com/.../-The-problem-isn-t-black-on-black-crime-it-s-poor-on-poor-victimization

[Bobbyhill1]

@YourName123 ''there are TONS of poor people in China, however, i can walk around in most Chinese cities in the poorest areas late''

how ignorant are you? LOL< try walking in a poor chinese city at night and see exactly what will happen to you. I've been there before, and its not safe at all.

[RedThread]

I don't even know who to address at this point because there's like 3 conversations going on at once. Some have already been discussed earlier in the thread.

[COCOCHANEL]

red, aren't you from the east coast?

[Blobb]

@Bobbyhill1 Nobody said China has completely inexistant crime rates, but you can't deny the global outlook and attitude are completely different. If youve spent any amount of. time in China and been to those poor cities and actually walked around, despite your chinese friends saying its very unsafe youd know that.
China has many problems, but self destroying communities isn't one I've seen and yes, I've been to poor cities, rich cities, poor neighbourhoods, working class neighbourhoods, absolutely wrecked neoghbourhoods, city and countryside too. Nothing has ever happened to me, day or night and nothing was ever going to.
I can't say the same for walking around much better off, much better equipped neighbourhoods in Europe, poor, terrible or working class.
It is a culture thing. I wouldn't point the finger and say its black people, because i dont believe it to be true, sounds racist and retarded. But culture has a big role, its undeniable.

[Bobbyhill1]

@Blobb you know I walk everyday through a ghetto from trade school? nothing has never happened to me. As long as you mind your business they leave you the hell alone. They act like ghettos are like iraq

[EnglishArtsteacher]

The movement is racially dividing. Back in the 2000's, race relations were great. It seems like ever since the 2010's have came (even before this "Black Lives Matter" movement), the country has been more, and more racially divided.

But hey, if you like segregation, go right ahead, and support the Black (ONLY) Lives Matter movement.

And there was a user here on GAG (I don't know his name) who wrote a statistical MyTake on the Black Lives Matter movement. It was one of the most thorough MyTakes I've ever seen. He used facts, data, raw statistics, and logic. But I've noticed the Black Lives Matter movement isn't a fan of those pesky things known as facts. And boy if you throw any form of data their way, it's over.

Personally, I the Blue Lives Matter, or people throwing "All Lives Matter" is just as silly, and dividing. It's important to know that not ALL Blacks are ignorant enough to support Black Lives Matter, and not all Whites are blind enough to throw Blue Lives Matter around.

[YourName123]

@Bobbyhill1 I've done it many many times. Much safer than any US inner city. i would bring my wife no sweat. ShenZhen, Shanghai, DongGuan (sp) others. Your full of bull

[Bobbyhill1]

@YourName123 and I have also walked in ghettos, and never faced any problems. I was robbed in what many would consider a safe city in china

[Blobb]

@Bobbyhill1 And I've had my car looted empty after parking outside my grandads house for 10 minutes, had glass bottles thrown at me from across the street by a group of random drunk thugs fuckers, had my cousin rolled up on and been asked if he's looking for a stabbing cause he's walking on the wrong street, been cursed out, hollered at, intimidated... just a block down they threw grenades at some guys house, shot up another. Stabbings occur on a weekly basis, brawls abd fistfights all the time. My grandads friend who is 75 was pushed down a flight of stone steps by a bunch of shithead kids for fun. He ran after them with a shotgun...
Its not the same kind of safe you're talking about. Maybe your ghetto is calm. But there are some nasty neighbourhoods in the west and I haven't seen or heard of this kind of thing in China, pure spite and destruction...

[CisScum]

All Lives Matter is just a mockery of BLM and when you talk to someone who says All Lives Matter you quickly find out that they don't actually believe that. This is like me saying All Lives Matter in world war 2 while millions of jewish are getting massacred. Ya all lives do matter but the Jewish need more attention considering they're getting their entire culture wiped out. A little dramatic comparison but makes sense.

Do I agree extremists in BLM are bad? Yes most people can. Extremists in any group are shitty. But that does not mean the ideology of BLM is bad, the ideology of BLM is actually good. People should support the ideology and not the people who are giving bad names to the ideology. Makes sense?

The fact is even though it may be the minority in the police force, ignoring the minority enables it to go on. Just because it is the minority does not mean it should keep going.

I stand up with the people who still stand beside the ideology in BLM and the people who fight for the real cause, not the extremists.

But the thing is also that stereotyping is bad in general, it does not matter what it is about. In law you need to have a certain bias no matter what. You protect the people, not some people because of stereotypes.

So in general I somewhat agree against extremists but BLM as an ideology exists for a good cause.

[Puppylove94]

I agree with you

[Chico_brah]

Ayyyy. Great take. BLM is nothing but a black supremacy hate group that hides behind this agenda of police brutality. They don't actually care about black lives for the sole fact that they don't care about black on black killings which constitutes 90% of black homocide in this county every years.

What they do care about is falling victim to white cops with the intent frame the US out to be some bigoted/racist third world country. As if blacks are completely oppressed in 2016... No, just no.

It's called that blacks, who make up 30% of the population are responsible for about 50% of violent crime in this country annually. It makes sense that black men are being shot at a higher rate for not so innocent reasons. Common sense tells us that it is because they comitt a substantially high amount of violent crime and homocide, but liberal media has stripped most Americans of common sense.

Yeah... Let's just support a group that says they like to kill cops and riot the streets beating the shit out of whites for no other reason than the color of their skin.

Yeah... Fuck off lmao. #FuckBLM

*drops mic*

[Chico_brah]

Blacks who make up 13% of the population ***

[Puppylove94]

Yeah I really hope people look at the link I posted for stats. It literally responds to every defense BLM has

[Anonymous]

All lives didn't exist until black lives matter started. Yes sure all lives matter: Jim Crow laws, Slave patrol, black codes, KKK, assassination of MLK, human zoos, white anti racism, the southern strategy, the rape of enslaved women, white flight, Madison grant, etc. Now all of the sudden it's all lives matter. since when? Where was all lives matter during the lynching, hanging, burnings rape, beatings, humilations, piggy back riding, ect? nowhere. But when BLM becomes popular all of the sudden people want to counter it with all lives matter. If all lives matter then black people wouldn't have to be saying that in 2016 in the first place. If you can't see the point in black lives matter then you're part of the problem. All lives matter right? This country was STOLEN from the Native Americans. Did all lives matter when white people stole this land from the natives, set plagues to them, stole the buffalo and forced them to become "Americanized"? NO. So stop saying all lives matter when clearly it never did. You say BLM is hypocritical but saying all lives is even more hypocritical. It will always be "not all whites" and "not all cops" but it's always black people this & black people that. It's always 9/11- never forget. The holocaust- never forget. Slavery? Get over it! I hear people preaching about BLM group but yet the KKK is still up and running but no one wants to talk about that. its crazy how strongly people react to a gorilla getting shot but didn't blink an eye at a white boy shooting up an entire church full of innocent black people and was taken alive then the cops even bought him food after the shooting. It amazes me how an unarmed black man can get shot over 5 times on camera with his hands up but an armed terrorist that was SHOOTING at police was captured alive. But all lives matter right? I will have more respect for cops when one of good ones stands up & admit that hey maybe we are abusing our authority. Maybe we are wrong & have been for years. But not ONCE did I ever hear a cop admit that. At least I can admit our people kill each. I'm just waiting for a cop to admit & say that yes "most" cops are crooked. They sit around, take up for each other. & LET shit happen. should we have a more organized focused response, absolutely. BUT NEVER think that anything we do or wear or how we talk will impact whether they kill or respect us. Malcolm and Martin both wore suits, spoke eloquently, and were not criminals, and they are dead. BLM isn't "Black

[Opinion Owner]

@Puppylove94 respond to that

[Puppylove94]

Were you around when all of that shut happened? No. neither was I. I'm German... are Jews still blaming me for my relatives killing people in concentration camps? No. it was wrong and it's in the past. We can't do anything. Except try to move forward. Blacks are creating riots, vandalizing things and being racist towards white people. Revenge is never the answer. 2 wrongs NEVER make a right,

[Opinion Owner]

But we both are around today and the same things are still hapening minus the piggy back riding, and those old laws? The justice System is built for whites just as it was back then. Why don't they think that not all people who support BLM aren't rioting, violent criminals? But you know, not all cops are bad and everyone who supports BLM are violent criminals. Logic.
The cops who do this are just bad apples. But black people are criminals. They get killed for a reason. It's not like corruption has always been an issue within the police force and that such things are usually very hush-hush and swept under the rug. Even if we forget the past we can look at our present and see black lives still don't matter. I knew I would receive such an ignorant response from a 22-year-old. Two wrongs don't make a right but you're not the ones watching your brothers, son, farther's, and uncles being murdered in 2016.

[Puppylove94]

I'm not going to debate with someone who resorts to name calling. That's just petty and doesn't solve anything.

[Opinion Owner]

Blacks are arrested at higher rates than whites for the same crime.
Blacks are convicted at higher rates than whites for the same crime.
Blacks are incarcerated and sent to prison at higher rates than whites for the same crime. All in 2016. Not the past. You're not going resort back to me because I've proved you wrong, not because of the name calling. It's as simple as that. You're ignorant and you're a hypocrite. That's a fact. Because based off this post there are plenty of white people name Calling black people things but also don't see you responding to that😳😁😉👋🏾

[Opinion Owner]

You're Cleary are one of those white people who say never forget 9/11 and the holocaust but when it comes to slavery: get over it. Stop bringing up the past

[jacquesvol]

If you decide to not listen to their orders, or do something that appears to be threatening- they are trained to react to the various situations at hand. Unfortunately, many of these end in shootings.

Or if they just decide to throw you in the back of a van (without seat belts) and give you a rough ride until you're death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlsvUAst2UQ

www.baltimoresun.com/.../...ns-20160727-story.html

Or if they just decide to run over you with their cruiser and then shoot you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcuwUsvrWHA

www.washingtonpost.com/.../?utm_term=.396dc921f833

You can safely bet these will be absolved too.

[YourName123]

Well, if you're not a drug addict "acting a fool" you are capable of surviving even a rough van ride. If you dont act like a savage the officers will be able to put the seat belt on you or would not have cuffed you in the first place. If you are being a good father, going to work and taking care of your business, instead of selling dugs on the street corner you dont find yourself in this position.

[jacquesvol]

@YourName123
None of these merits a death sentence, pronounced by a couple of cops and executed on the spot.

[Bobbyhill1]

@YourName123 the guy who was thrown in the back of the van had a broken spine, instead of calling the ambulance they made him get up and dragged him and threw him in the van, with a broken spine. Thats what killed him. he couldnt act ''savage'' with a broken back

[jacquesvol]

@YourName123 " capable of surviving even a rough van ride. " unless you get a severe concussion or unless you spine snaps , like this victim.

[ObscuredBeyond]

These videos both take things grossly out of context. In the Turks video, their quote does not give the actual reason police were pursuing the man. Instead, they take the quote "after eye contact was made" and they try to make it sound like that was the reason. That's spin. Now, maybe the back-van spine-breaking execution was still unwarranted and deserves to be investigated, as that is contemptibly shoddy adherence to due process, but the spin is still obvious.

As for the second video: the video doesn't show what the fleeing suspect was doing before, nor what he did right as soon as he was off camera, that warranted shots being fired. It's left to the imagination. That's why matters like this are investigated afterward. Alas, the limited view of just one camera gets published, and much of the public rushes to judgment based on the impression given. When simply one more camera angle would tell a very different story.

[madhatters4]

@YourName123 what would say about Charles Kinsey? the black healthcare AID to an autistic man. he committed no crimes, had no gun. he laid face up on the ground with his hands in the air screaming that the man next to him was autistic and he was his healthcare AID

you oversimplify the matters saying if you aren't doing something wrong nothing bad will happen. nearly every single body that has looked into law enforcement (including the police themselves) say there are issues with profiling, institutional racism

saying as long as long as you don't do something wrong you won't have a problem is simply not true

[jacquesvol]

@madhatters4 @YourName123 His skin made Charles Kinsey suspect. That's clear. He could have been lying face down to hide a gun or a bomb under his belly. That made him suspect: a black man, thus potentially a BLM, and potentially hiding a weapon: that's the way cops think. And so do Grand Juries. No charges thus: www.nydailynews.com/.../...arges-article-1.2740078

[jacquesvol]

@madhatters4 An officer accused of misconduct after the shooting of an unarmed South Florida therapist who had his hands up will not face charges:
www.nydailynews.com/.../...arges-article-1.2740078

[jacquesvol]

@YourName123 In fact Saltines here are saying it's the victims fault for being black, they were shot by precaution because they might be dangerous -because black- and as long as the shooting cop doesn't say he's racist, it's no racism?
You look suspicious, you're shot.

[madhatters4]

that's absurd. just absurd that innocent people die and police officers walk away with no accountability.

"That made him suspect: a black man, thus potentially a BLM, and potentially hiding a weapon"

that is the scary sentiment that seems to be rather pervasive

[jacquesvol]

@ObscuredBeyond the back-van spine-breaking execution isn't prosecuted, no D. A. found to do it

[YourName123]

I agree with the social worker, this was wrong. No question. the back of the van guy was also wielding a knife at the police if you remember and 3 of the 6 cops were black. Deserved to die, completely self inflicted. Think how many young girls he started on heroin, he had a rap sheet a mile long for dealing drugs. the cops saved MANY young BLACK lives by doing their job.

[jacquesvol]

@YourName123 Cops aren't D. A. sn nor judges, nor jurys, nor judges, nor executioners.
But some seem to think that, here and in the patrol cars.

[YourName123]

I want them to do whatever is needed to protect the innocent public.

they are required to STOP anyone who is believed to be posing a danger to the public with whatever force is required.

Support Law Enforcement! the sticker is on my car. I always pay for their meal if i see them in a restuarant that I am in.

[Bobbyhill1]

@ObscuredBeyond it doesn't matter what he did at this point, he had a broken spine and needed medical attention. Not getting thrown in the back of the van. This reminds me of another time where a cop beat up a guy who was also having a medical accident. the police force has no respect for the safety of people, only themselves

[Bobbyhill1]

e ''could have been lying face down to hide a gun or a bomb under his belly.''

cops take the job to protect the citizens, not treat them as potential threats. it seems like you dont know what the words ''serve to protect'' means and you clearly lack common sense. He could have had a bomb? and what if he was telling the truth? oh well I guess its better safe than sorry right? you are an idiot. what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

[jacquesvol]

@Bobbyhill1
Right now -for blacks- it seems "Guilty till proven innocent" and the cop is also D. A. , jury , judge and executioner. (No lawyers needed , of course.)
After the facts the commissioner says, "Sorry, but he looked suspect and didn't obey orders", newspapers say "He had bad friends and the internet keyboard warriors say "It's all because of BLM and Obama."

[LoloWaye]

I support BLM - but the ones that have some sense. I don't support the violence and killing, and I know it's not all those involved in BLM. So I'm not going to completely disregard the entire movement because of the people who have lost their minds.

There are peaceful protests. I've been to a few just outside my job. The cops were there in case it got violent and it never did. There were the two idiots who got out of control but they got left behind.

People aren't going to like this, but if you're shouting All Lives Matter then I belive you should be out there helping to bring light on policy brutality. Not just against black people but against everyone. Everyone says people off all races have been killed wrongly by police - do something about it instead of just creating a slogan against a group that started for the reason of bringing light to the problem.

Police brutality and unjustified killings are a problem America needs to fix. "If you don't listen to the cop you deserve to die." No. Absolutely not. No one deserves to die for not listening, for stealing, for making mistakes in the PAST, etc. That's what jail is for, if I remember correctly. The only time killing is justified is when the situation has escalated and your life is in immediate danger. The military has better training than the cops running around now.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Cops have certainly earned the stereotypes of being killers.

[G-Daz]

www.dailywire.com/.../5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.

Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to Mac Donald, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person.

Cops kill significantly more white people than black

FBI statistics are pretty clear,

[Puppylove94]

@G-Daz exactly... it appears she didn't look at the statistics

[LoloWaye]

The number of black cops and the number of white cops is different. There are more white cops than black cops because the black. population in America is less than the white population. The numbers would be higher becsuse it's reflecting a smaller group of people.

It's clear that neither of you read my opinion nor used critical thinking skills, you're just ready to throw statistics at me. I clearly stated that all races of people have been unjustly killed by cops. I didn't specify a race of cops and I didn't single out a race of civilians.

I don't care for the statistics because they don't apply to my count at all. Police brutality exists, regardless of race.

[G-Daz]

yes... but according to the statitiscs, the majority of police shootings against black peoeple are done by a minority police force. black lives mattr doesn't care about this because it's a supremacist movement so the data on the crime or reasoning is irrelevant

[RainbowFanGirl]

BLM held a peaceful protest in Dallas back in July.

www.nytimes.com/.../

[Puppylove94]

@RainbowFanGirl they had one recently too. i dont remember where... but i have no b]problem with that. I have a problem with the people who are racist against whites supporting the BLM movement. They are extremists that have literally said "all whites are devils"

[RainbowFanGirl]

thank for clarifying Take Owner. I don't think you are racist, nor am I trying to chastise you. I am just trying to enlighten and show you that most of the supporters of this movement are not bad, and that a few racist criminals do not make the group, just as you are saying in this myTake that not all cops are bad. Not all people who support BLM are out for the blood of white people.

[Puppylove94]

@RainbowFanGirl I completely agree. but can I ask you something without you taking offense?

[RainbowFanGirl]

Sure thing.

[Puppylove94]

@RainbowFanGirl the reason why I don't understand BLM is because racism has drastically increased over the past 20 years. I can count on 2 hands the amount of people who are racist. There are so many mixed couples now... I have never once disrespected someone because of their race and have never seen it first hand. I feel like this whole situation is like ripping open something that was finally starting to scar over. Now with the riots, vandalism, hate crimes, and disrespect they are showing towards other races is making the stereotypes stronger again. Do you know what I mean?

[RainbowFanGirl]

I do agree Take Owner. We are starting to hate each other again and the racial divide is increasing. More people are becoming racist again and I have seen this first hand. I think stereotypes are influencing this though.

[G-Daz]

It feels like racism has drastically increased under Obama. I thought him being mixed would also cause a union, instead he became a proxy. the need to group people into separate distinctive communities has also driven to solidify that division and movements like blm have reinforced it

[LoloWaye]

@G-Daz I thought the same when he first elected. But a lot of people kept saying he wasn't a real black man, he wasn't a real American, people only voted for him because he's black, etc. I think that Jumpstarted it and now that the election is coming more people are beginning to show their true colors. Idt Obama caused the racism spike though, just ignorant people.

[RainbowFanGirl]

I agree with both of you. More and more people are showing their true colors. Black and white.

[G-Daz]

I think they were more unified under Bush, in fact they were declining under his presidency throughout. There was a unifying hatred of Bush by all races and they didn't play on the race card to criticise him. Whereas OBama... it's very much about race. Obama could tell people to jump of a bridge, triple the 10 trillion debt he added (twice as much as bush), or drone strike and it wouldn't matter. He can get away with it because of political correctness based on the race he's placed as.

Obama takes a very race based political approach, he contributes to a false narrative of racism against black people by police officers when the statistics don't validate it.
1. Trayvon Martin: Obama was criticised by many for "ramping up racial tension" by saying, "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon." In the end, the Department of Justice announced it would not be prosecuting George Zimmerman for the shooting death.
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[G-Daz]

2 Michael Brown: President Obama was reminded of the judicial process in the United States after his comments regarding the "peaceful protests" that occurred in Ferguson, Missouri.

3 Grandmother comments: During his 2008 campaign, Obama was slammed by then-opponent Hillary Clinton for calling his grandmother (who is white) a "typical white person" who has fears about black men.

4) Obama's Spanish Language TV Ad: Then-Senator Obama was accused of factual misrepresentations which were included in a campaign ad seeking to paint his then-opponent, Sen. John McCain, as "anti-immigrant." blogs.abcnews.com/.../from-the-fact-1.html

5. Response to Police Shootings: Sheriff Clarke, among others, accused the President of starting a "war on police" by politicizing acts of violence against African-Americans, while remaining relatively silent on the murder of police officers.

[G-Daz]

In fact, a New York Times/CBS News poll conducted earlier this year shows that nearly six in ten Americans think race relations are generally bad, and four of ten think they are getting worse.
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Prior to Obama... 2 thirds of americans had a positive view of race relations for comparison. It pisses me off because black lives matter is going to other countries too now and causing racial issues that never existed before

[G-Daz]

I think this speaks volumes about blm

"As far as homicide data from the FBI, in 2011 there were 3,172 whites killed, 83% by other whites and 14% by blacks. On the other hand, there were 2,695 blacks killed and 91% of these were killed at the hands of other black Americans."
ucr.fbi.gov/.../expanded-homicide-data-table-6

So as a matter of objective fact and not opinion, black Americans disproportionately murder more often than white Americans, based on their respective percentages of the U. S. population.

So more obvious is that there is an underlying problem with a culture that has developed that has been sustained and been unapologetic. I want race relations to improve but it will only get worse at this rate. BLM is a symtom of the issue

[lightbulb27]

Well written take and you echoed my views. A few other thoughts to consider:

Most people are law abiding. I think we lost some people though, primarily black people, after the series of shootings occurred in a row. I heard the cry "if they are gonna kill us, we might as well fight back". The media filtered out and only showed the black people being shot that week and that created bias. I pulled down all the data on shootings and there are lots of other people being shot, typically for threatning police or others. People don't wait to discover the details, they react to the emotion as we all do to seeing someone lose their life. But it hit some people harder emotionally.

Thing is, its BS... police are doing what you said. The media is spinning a story, and in the process they are screwing a group of people for the next generation as some component of them buy into this story and get trapped in poisonous emotions (or die "martyrs" in their mind) rather than the things that would lift them up... discipline, respect, family unity, education... That's what is needed, but to do that, these people need to be released from the now emotional bondage.

To me, this whole issue roots back to the wounds of slavery (there were black and white slaves, but hit black people harder) and years following where people were forced to submit to authority. That "wound" created a sense of pride, dis respect for authority, and that is what comes out of some people when challenged by authority. I've seen it most of my life from black people, but it can come from white people. There were apparently Irish slaves and lots of people have been abused that would create the same wound.

The solution is... love, faith, hope, patience, kindness, goodness, self control, respect, self dignity, parenting, discipline instilled from parents (both), work to keep idle hands and minds engaged, and I'm sure a few things I'm missing.

[Puppylove94]

the problem is slavery did not happen to anybody in our generation. so its ridiculous for BLM to always fall back on that. Yes, there are racist people still in the world- but the number of racist people was decreasing until BLM came about. I know a few people that BECAME racist because of BLM.

[lightbulb27]

True, I think the issue and BLM are fostering it.
I strongly suspect that "old wounds", which are emotional (feelings ( are passed on to generations until someone ends it. So much of it is parenting, but environment plays a huge role. You will see that happen with other family issues where problems pass on from parents to kids until someone rebels or address it and breaks the chain. Thats my opinion, not fact.

When I looked at the BLM web site, they had training classes in various issues. All training classes were located in Dubai! It isn't funded here, and why Dubai?

[MrShinyPants]

To me all lives matter, yeah it's messed up there has been innocent black people killed by cops, but their not the only ones, every race at one point or time was killed by a cop. I can understand being outraged by the injustice, but come on, don't be stupid butt plugs and go looting and attacking each other and killing more innocent people, that's childish, stupid and plain pointless, there are better ways to get justice, all the fighting and killing and rioting will get you is anger, injuries and looked down upon. Plus innocent cops have been killed too, the injustice doesn't just happen to blacks, it happens to every race, creed and position. As long as there is hate and greed and pride there will always be injustice and murder.

Another thing, the few claiming whites to be racist, firstly, one of the recent cops that killed a innocent black man, the cop who killed him was black too, yet they turned it into a racist thing. Secondly, blacks can be as racist as whites, I'm not saying racism is a good thing, I think it's stupid as hell and pointless for someone to be racist, the only difference is skin color, each race has greatness and each has its scumbags. So playing the oh because I'm black card is pointless and dumb as hell unless the one doing to them is actually racist, then shame on the bigot.

[Puppylove94]

Completely agree

[Pyrofox]

This whole issue is the NON-stop of stooping to one another lowest point. With each stunt ether side White or Black all I can do is shake my head. As this issue goes no where as both sides blame the other and won't own up to what happens. Rather both sides feel the need to constantly give the bird to each other and just keep going on like nothing happened. There are literally no peace talks over this issue. The only way this gets even debated is by pouring battery acid or Ghost Pepper sauce on the open wounds of the issue.

I can see where cops come from saying they won't support the Black Lives Matter group. But I am constantly reminded that at public events its not just the Black lives matter group there there is still the general public. What happens when terrorist attack occurs potientially at a event where police made the decision not to show force? Especially if they announce they refuse to show up? WHO STILL GETS STUCK WITH THE BLAME of general public casualties? Who still would have to show up to the scene? The Police!

I sometimes am left to question the police's motives when they complain society is against them? If you want to be let into the society then make efforts to join in rather than segragate yourselves. Be the bigger guy in the room. ANY professional debater would tell you NOTHING HAPPENS when you stoop to the low of your rival or opponent.

Show us that you know how to be a real part of society and not just another group that has to be politically correct. This goes for those in Blue, White, and Black. This issue and the whole ideas these groups use are just clones of how slow and hard US goverment is. The whole conflict just seems to be the continual Fulibuster of this topic.

I say this as I'm not related to ether race in this issue directly as I am proudly Asian. YES I am a minority but I am not ether of the races/groups in this issue. Thus gives me a prespective to see this a little more objectively.

[TadCurious]

Excellent myTake. Minority communities in the U. S. are disproportionately affected by crime and especially violent crime. They need law and order more than anyone. Yet BLM in its rhetoric and misinformation paint targets on the back of police officers. So what happens? You get the Ferguson Effect. That's where the police pull back from community policing because they can't get out of their cars and protect these high crime areas without being mobbed and spit on or worse. And who suffers from that? That's right: minority communities. After the Justice Department concluded its investigation into what happened in Ferguson (headed by President Obama's African-American Attorney General), President Obama could have given an address aimed at the black community. He could have told them (based on the results of the investigation) that: "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" never happened and was a lie. That Michael Brown assaulted the police officer who was forced to shoot him and tried to grab that officer's gun from him. That Michael Brown wasn't retreating from the officer when he was shot. Obama could have said to the black community: "What happened with Michael Brown was very tragic. He made tragic choices that cost him his life. But he was not murdered by the police." If Obama had leveled with the black community -- in a way that maybe only a black president could do -- we might not have seen so much of this pointless and destructive rioting and hatred spewed by BLM. Nothing good for society is going to come from a group which chants at its protest rallies: "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!!"

[YourName123]

minority communities that are Asian are not affected by high crime. there are lots of them

[ginny_weasley]

I stopped reading when you said black supremacy. Of course, #blacklivesmatter probably wouldn't exist if people didn't believe for 300 years that #blacklivesdidntmatter. Just something to think about. *sips tea*
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It was Aristotle that said poverty is the parent of revolution and crime. Its no secret that a lot of impoverished communities have black people in them. Maybe if we invested in education and helping people out of poverty, we would have less problems. But noooo, Republicans would rather invest in continuing the war on marijuana, corporate subsidies, and pointless wars.

[Puppylove94]

2 wrongs don't make a right.

[ginny_weasley]

So because they're fighting back they're the bad guys? This country treated an entire race like second class citizens for three hundred years, racism is still deeply inside many Americans, but hey let's just talk all them the past is the past. We were wrong, but they should forget it. Right? It's almost like with that logic, we should've never gotten involved in Iraq. Revolts and riots built entire countries, including America but according to conservatives that was two wrongs that did make a right.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

You're using the Historical Fallacy. Just because something was prevalent doesn't mean it persists these days.

Why aren't we saying "Italian Lives Matter"? Back in the 1920's, Italians were treated like immigrants. I know Irish people were slaves centuries ago (In Europe) as well.

The movement is racially dividing.

I agree with the rest of what you said-But I can't support this racist movement.

[ginny_weasley]

@EnglishArtsteacher never said blacks aren't the only ones being mistreated. Still doesn't make it okay.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

@Ginny_Weasley Right, but why aren't we saying their lives matter? The movement seems to only care about Blacks.

And as you mentioned on another question, there is more of a class privilege than a race privilege. A White person in poverty won't get away with much regarding the law.

[ginny_weasley]

@EnglishArtsteacher because who's going to crash a breast cancer rally and say all cancer matters? Black lives matter exist to get black people on par with everyone else.

[Anonymous]

My father is a cop and has been for over 16 years, the way you're wording this seems to me to be uneducated and discriminatory as well as over-generalized. Black Lives Matter doesn't mean that Policemen lives don't, it just means that in the past couple of years that media has PROVEN on camera that SOME not all, may I stress, have crossed the line and have fired their gone EXCLUSIVELY to people who are black, innocent or not. Black Lives Matter is a reminder that the black community's lives also matter, clearly we as humanity should all stand for that. They are fighting for change and for equality. I am not black, but my father is a cop. There are rights and wrongs from both sides, to overgeneralize and say what you said definitively is ignorant and in desperate need of research. I'm not trying to offend you, just encourage you to open your eyes to both sides.

[Puppylove94]

Look at the link to my stats. I'm very well asucated on this issue actually. I watch a good amount of news and I live in an area where this is going on

[RainbowFanGirl]

:) just wanted to say thank you for saying this

[Opinion Owner]

@RainbowFanGirl No problem, it needs to be said!

[DodgersGM]

I don't blame black people for being upset.

It's all really fucking embarrassing. Watching a whole bunch of idiotic 'blacks-are-inherently-violent' and 'it's-part-of-their-community' type people spouting off at the mouth is embarrassing, too.

For shame, acting like an entire race of people who are your neighbors, fellow countrymen, and fellow humans are inherently inferior. Y'all make me embarrassed to be an American sometimes.

Blacks are arrested at higher rates than whites for the same crime.
Blacks are convicted at higher rates than whites for the same crime.
Blacks are incarcerated and sent to prison at higher rates than whites for the same crime.

Source: www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...ur-st_b_8078586.html

Stop pushing a bullshit, racist narrative (not you, Question Asker). Grow the fuck up.

[jameson187]

I don't know I have yet to see a BLM protest that wasn't complete violence. I mean one of the protesters shot another during the Charlotte riot, so thst shows how united they really are. The protests are a form of intimidation. Unfortunately this is digging them further in a hole with the public.

This is the actions thst BLM has become associated with

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NC965E4B6Ls

[Puppylove94]

I want to refer everyone who says BLM doesn't hate other races to this lol

[LoloWaye]

That's not BLM. Those are a group of idiots.

[jameson187]

@LoloWaye If so, this is what BLM is associated with. The social outlook on them is rioting and violence. Again, earlier someone said the extremists took over and it lost its initial cause. Maybe that's the case. I have yet to see BLM do anything of peace to get their point across (granted maybe the news doesn't report this). When anything BLM is on tv is stuff like the video shown.

I'm all about equality and I feel they have to get away from rioting and all these violent actions to make their case. They need to find a way so the public doesn't cringe when a BLM news story comes on and it's not another city being destroyed.

More than likely you downvoted this, so thank. I just expressed black lives matter has a bad social stigma because of actions like in thsr video. The public has yet to see the MLK type protests that work.

[Cosytoasty]

I agree with you regarding BLM in general, it's been hijacked by extremists to the point where it's hard to see the message anymore. I'm not seeing the link to BLM in this particular instance though? Was the reason this cop died because he hesitated? From that news story it's quite possible he simply lost a gunfight.

[Puppylove94]

BLM gets mad at cops for stereotyping them and reacting when they have a reason to. As the statistics say, black people are way more likely to pulll out a gun for defense

[Cosytoasty]

Ah racial profiling, it does need to stop, but requires a concentrated effort on both sides. If that requires leaders encouraging a change in black culture then so be it. I don't get racially profiled at all (in work opportunities for example). I think part of the reason is because I don't go around speaking Chinglish and washing my feet in the office bathrooms.

[Puppylove94]

Lol exactly

[DooMguy]

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everyone's triggered today even the police and the blacks along with them

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[lumos]

Cop shoots black guy: omg not all cops are bad, he probably had it coming, he was probably doing something illegal, he was probably a criminal...

Black guy shoots cop: I HATE BLACK LIVES MATTER OMG I'm not a racist !!1!

[RainbowFanGirl]

Exactly. Why don't they think that not all people who support BLM aren't rioting, violent criminals? But you know, not all cops are bad and everyone who supports BLM are violent criminals. Logic.

[Puppylove94]

@RainbowFanGirl I already said that stereotypes don't apply to everyone. It's in the take

[lumos]

@RainbowFanGirl yeah. The cops who do this are just bad apples. But black people are criminals. They get killed for a reason. It's not like corruption has always been an issue within the police force and that such things are usually very hush-hush and swept under the rug.

[G-Daz]

except the analogy you miss with the first statement is that 40% of the black people killed are by black police officers (because the person that was shot was confronting the cops). A minority police force in a minority neighbourhood but black lives matter never protests the death of a black cop because black lives don't matter to black lives matter if it's a police officer

[lumos]

@G-Daz source pls

[G-Daz]

"As far as homicide data from the FBI, in 2011 there were 3,172 whites killed, 83% by other whites and 14% by blacks. On the other hand, there were 2,695 blacks killed and 91% of these were killed at the hands of other black Americans."
ucr.fbi.gov/.../expanded-homicide-data-table-6
Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.

You'll find links to the national homicide annual report and fbi statistics database linked to the points discussed in the link

www.dailywire.com/.../5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

[EnglishArtsteacher]

Back in the 1920's, when the Italians first immigrated, they were treated as minorities. Why aren't we saying "Italian Lives Matter"? Why aren't we saying "Asian Lives Matter" after the tragedy of Pearl Harbor? Why aren't we still saying "Latino Lives Matter" after the anti-immigration?

I'm not denying Blacks are targeted against-They clearly are. But what about every other race, and/or ethnicity which has been targeted?

Here is the ironic thing about this whole racial divide epidemic going on right now: Whites usually target Whites. Blacks usually target Blacks. I wouldn't doubt if Latinos usually target Latinos. So, maybe we should all blame our problems on our own race?

[JohnDoe3000]

If it was still the 1920s then there should be an "Italian lives matter" movement, but it's 2016 and Italian Americans aren't treated as a useless minority anymore. If in 2116 African Americans are treated the way Italian Americans are now then there shouldn't be a "black lives matter" in 2116.

[KINGNIGGA123]

W eBlack people as a whole have gone through a lot. we were all chillin in Africa until u white British me came