Why I Despise "Black Lives Matter"

[Jehovahkiin]

Well, I don’t literally hate the notion of saying that “Black lives matter”, what I hate, is the tendency to base vehement sentiments on pure anecdotes and guilt-mongering, which is what the movement often does. Facts and data are below, up here is my rant concerning the matter itself which is mostly balderdash of whatever pops up in my mind with no conceivable systematic format, I might go off-track and not come back, but that’s okay. I’m still right <3

I actually wanted to rant about why sociology sucks, but then this thingmajig came on the news about BLM .. and stuff..

WARNING: Lack of proper grammar and cohesive structure ahead. I concocted it initially for my own benefit, but I then figured that it may be of interest to others. If you’re not interested in my personal jargon, skip to the section filled with links below. I’m merely progressing from point A → point B.

Black lives matter in action is a big ball of bs not because it advocates for a diminishment in racial inequality, it really doesn’t, it sucks because it often translate into implications where they take the victimized stance instead of addressing some ingrained issues deep within the Black population. They have the tendency to ignore hardships of other races when the argument is made towards them, whilst simultaneously shift the discussion and point to the issues faced by other races whenever it benefits them.

While it does do a fantastic job at making people more aware of the deep-rooted racial issues that plague America, the methods of going about solving the issue is plain asinine.

>Rallies against black-on-black violence is done fairly frequently, but how many times have you actually seen BLM fund these rallies/marches.

>40,000 phone calls does not do anything but rustle the jimmies of people and perceive the cause to be a joke.

>Hijacking a speech by Sanders is not a great way to go about solving this problem, neither is butting in during a gay parade speech (thats so ridiculous and obnoxious).

There are more, but you get the gist.

Yes, I acknowledge the BLM does not imply ONLY black lives matter, it focuses on dealing the mistreatment of blacks in America. But quite often, this roots from the fact that, statistically more black men tend to commit crimes. This needs to be addressed. And further, more concern should be focused to address issues such as incarceration rates and welfare dependence in the Black community. Deflecting the blame and avoiding it whenever the matter is brought up does nothing to work towards a solution.

Don't get me wrong, I in no way believe that there is a tangible causative relationship between race and crimes committed, but I definitely do believe that there is correlative evidence linking race and crimes committed. But that is mostly because of socio-economical factors, that is the variable that yields causation and correlation between poverty and crimes committed.
Which makes it appear that Blacks commit crimes because they're Black. But no. That's stupid. That's stupid in, and stupid out. It's a statistical error that newbs make at the beginning of every statistics class.

This video demonstrates that BLM seems to be lacking in the ‘strategic’ department.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/full-video-clinton-meets-black-lives-matter-509555267594

The only thing they’re good for is raising these systemic issues in America.

Tired of seeing drivel that’s contingent on “appeal to emotion” logical fallacy. It’s hard to get to the truth when sentiments put forward by people are often very biased, idealistic and opinionated, as opposed to something substantive (the irony, but dw, facts below).

I don’t care much for placating people or hearing things that sound good. I care for ascertaining the truth - however cheesy that may sound, to avoid doing so would be intellectually dishonest and often times detrimental to society. Why I place a precedence on an empirical approach to things, instead of getting emotions-backed worldview (where emotions in jokes like sociology is on par with peer-review papers) is exactly because of that.

You’re going to have to work with reality and fit piece by piece like a puzzle to fix anything. #blacklivesmatter movement works well.. with anecdotes and emotions.. That’s pretty much it. If you’re going to ignore cold-hard facts and base your movement on predominantly anecdotes whilst simultaneously cherry-pick data that supports your views, you’re going to create far more damage as opposed to solving them.

Emotions can be swayed based on someone’s experiences, especially of what they’re exposed to, and often times indoctrinated into believing. Facts are facts and they’re independent of whether you believe in them or not (inb4 butthurt creationists). People look at reality with a biased lens, their perception is inherently subjective, due to a complex set of filters by a variety of factors. That is not to say it can never be trusted. It can. It just needs to be put to a high level of scrutiny and testing when their sentiments are spawned out of topics so influential and controversial.

Back to topic:

Do you see the pattern in American affairs? Come on! I’m disappointed..

Say you’re some normal, typical Muslim (bear with me). You hear incidents of US drone blasts killing other innocent Muslims (like that one drone blast on the Afghan hospital), sometimes people you do know, sometimes people you do not. You feel the need to stand up against this ‘imperialistic’ power and therefore join the fight. You end up going various terrorist groups to “get back” at the people who wronged you.

Especially if you’re someone living in N.America. Then you create this cycle where terrorist attacks would create more concern in the country and the government would have a higher tendency to send their troops/planes/whatever into the Middle East/Afghanistan and thus. This is a simplified explanation of the inner-workings of radicalization and misses some of the important details, but I left them out bc they’re not relevant to the current discussion.

Same thing goes with your typical Black male.

You hear black males being killed in the news and that creates fear, or perhaps even anger (maybe this are of people you know). That anger is further fueled by movements such as #blacklivesmatters which you join consisting of also people that you do know. Then you start being violence against policemen, maybe you kill one, effectively provoking more fear and retaliation in policemen towards the black communities. This cycle continues perpetually.

And ofc I am not saying that all typical Muslims or typical black men act like that, nor am I saying the past few cases are because of this. I’m trying to describe what an average individual of either demographic may choose to to. I also do in no way insinuate that this happens to the majority of Muslims or Blacks.

Also this is to some level, prolly caused by militarization of the police in America (kind of like increased in military presence in the Middle East). Then you get news of a correlation between militarization of police and an increase in SWAT raids whereby no people are armed, and yet were shot.

I also don’t mean to equate ISIS to something like BLM, I’m simply pointing out the parallels in psychology that potentially makes people do these things.

Now for actual boring data:

Police kill approximately twice as many whites as blacks during 2015. 50% of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, 25% were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or were armed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

You might argue that the data points racist connotations towards blacks considering the population ratio of white:black is 5:1. However, statistical data also indicate that blacks are charged with 62% of robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults, despite comprising only 15% of the US population. It’s important to note that this statistic entails for crimes prosecuted and not necessarily ones that are actually committed, but there is no evidence as far as I’ve seen that indicates blacks are systematically far more prosecuted on a larger scale that would give rise to these discrepancy in numbers.

An article by the Washington post concluded from a study that unarmed black men were 7x more likely to be shot than unarmed white men – black men make up 40% of 60 unarmed deaths (24/60, that is), yet they only comprise 6% of the entire population.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/08/08/black-and-unarmed/

It’s vital to do a case-by-case analysis considering that the small sample size does not allow one to make a statistically valid assertion. Upon further examination, it appears that in a number of these cases, the use of lethal force was completely justified, or involved collateral damage. Ergo, it cannot be concluded a case of discrimination.

The following are articles regarding unarmed black men killed in 2015:

Tony Robinson allegedly assaulted the police officer, the officer proceeded to utilize lethal force
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tony-robinson-shooting-no-charges-lawful-use-force-n357876

Christian Taylor was smashing several cars windows, security called the police. It appears that he was under the influence of hallucinogens. He confronted two police officers relentlessly, one of them deployed a taser and the other shot him several times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/03/christian-taylor-athlete-killed-by-tex-cop-had-marijuana-and-synthetic-drugs-in-his-system/

Needless to say, the cop who killed him was fired.

But the victim’s father expressed sympathy for the cop.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/12/christian-taylors-father-feels-for-fired-cop-there-isnt-a-winner-in-this-we-are-both-losers/

Man tries to grab gun of police, but discharged in process

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/man-killed-in-struggle-for-gun-of-prince-georges-county-officer-police-say/2015/08/15/9bb64b3a-43b2-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html

Man beats officer in the face several times

https://www.desertdispatch.com/article/20151120/NEWS/151129996

Here are two cases where a stray bullet was involved. Completely collateral damage, thus it cannot have been racial discrimination.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bystander-dies-hit-nypd-bullets-article-1.2341345
https://pilotonline.com/news/local/crime/police-id-two-killed-in-virginia-beach-officer-involved-shooting/article_dd45e6dd-26b0-5583-b7f6-181fba56bd1c.html

You get the picture.

Although more cop killers are white in pure numerical terms, relative to white/black ratio; black men kill more cops.

“In 2013, 44 percent of cop killers were white, 37 percent were black and 11 percent were Hispanic. Last year, 54 percent were white, 26 percent were black and 18 percent were Hispanic.”

https://www.newsweek.com/who-kills-police-officers-315701

It’s possible that this correlative relationship is purely coincidental, though.

I don’t deny that there probably is a tendency for many cops to fear many black people particularly due to psychological conditioning, particularly due to the disproportionate crime rates committed by Black men. The snipers at the BLM rally certainly do nothing but regress this heated problem (just like how extremists screwed up Syria during the Arab spring protests). I don't mean that these police are justified in being more cautious around black people, I'm just trying to point out why its not so much a cut and dry case of 'racism' as one might think. Police are human beings like everyone else, they utilize probability and heuristics when dealing with situations, especially abrupt, life-threatening ones.

Civil rights activist experiences “use of force” training:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

HUGE eyer-opener, watch this video.

As for those who say that police brutality towards black people is a problem, here's two incidents involving unarmed white males. Police brutality is a problem, period (but thats a topic for another day). There are lots of good cops and lots of bad cops, don't conflate them together though.
Cops shoot unarmed man as he progresses towards them.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-video-shooting-dylan-noble-20160707-snap-story.html

Cops open fire on man and his 6 year old autistic son. The son is mortally wounded.

https://downtrend.com/71superb/black-cop-shoots-and-kills-6-year-old-white-boy-with-autism

RIP people who were killed in all this senseless violence.You probably didn’t deserve to die.
Screw those assholes who are utilising your deaths to further agendas that are counterintuitive to society.

Not all Black people are belligerent criminals, not all cops are murderers, not all white people are genocidal maniacs. Killing innocent people is never the solution, and if you disagree with me about this, well, please go through with a vasectomy or wear a condom for the rest of your life.

Yes there is tons of BS that comes from external forces like the government, state and what have you. But the thing BLM, SJW and Feminists proponents fail to realise is that the issue often comes down to internal forces. Being obnoxious and getting into the face of people does more harm to your cause than you'll like to think. But I do admit that BLM isn't even near half as bad as Feminism, at least their arguments do have some basis in reality. Feminism? Nothing close.

TL ; DR~> BLM sounds good on paper, but terrible application. Like communism. There are real problems in the world and we need to think and consider them very carefully in the right context. It’s important not to muddy the water with such meaningless nonsense. I urge you to read the entire thingamajig ^_^

P.S. Go home PC, SJW tumblr-ikes, you're drunk! #alllivesmatter

[Anonymous]

I dunno why people have to bring up black-on-black crime every time a black man gets murdered by police. That's derailing the conversation. That's like talking about saving the whales and being like "What about the fish tho?" It makes no sense.

The difference is that police officers are sworn to protect us. They are supposed to be here for us because they display the badge of honor, but instead they murder us. Black or white, and it's wrong. Also, the difference it makes from black-on-black crime is that the black people GO TO JAIL. Police officers who kill blacks do not. They are rarely prosecuted with murder because people always try to justify why killing them is right by bringing up black-on-black crime or the high murder rates of the black community. We are fully aware! Why can't you feel sympathy for a black man who got shot unlawfully? One simply had a busted tail light and was wrongly killed. He reached for his wallet and was shot dead and bled out. One didn't reach for a gun. He was selling CDs outside a store, sure, but does that call for the loss of his life?

We live in a country where a guy who raped an unconscious woman gets 3 months in jail, but a guy who was selling CDs to feed his family pays with his life. The justice system is flawed. It's not always a race thing. The guy who shot dead those police officers does not account for everyone who believes in BLM.

The system is FLAWED. Sure, not all police officers are bad, but some abuse their power, and that's where the problem lies.

Also, BLM just held a peaceful protest yesterday. Those hateful, blood thirsty thugs.

[Jehovahkiin]

Don’t straw-man me.
I was talking about BLM, specifically, not individual cases in which black men are murdered by the police. There is a distinction between the two that you should realise.
I bring it up in the conversation about BLM, bc BLM supposed advocates for BLACK LIVES. Black-on-black violence is a an issue that threatens black lives. Ergo, it would make sense to include black-on-black violence into the conversation.
You’re simply missing the point when you say that black-on-black violence involves the people going to jail. I’m quite aware of that fact, and I do indeed acknowledge that. But that’s not the point I was trying to make. I was saying that since BLM is supposed to be for black lives, it should also address the concerns regarding black-on-black violence and find a solution.

[Jehovahkiin]

But in reality, this subject matter is hardly brought up, cops are blamed for black deaths when in reality, violence in the black community are far more prevalent than a cop killing an unarmed black man. If they cared about black lives to such a meaningful extend, why is this concerned hardly brought up?

Where did you get the conclusion that I don’t sympathise with the death of Philando Castile? Again this entire OP is directed at the BLM movement, not an attempt to address these individual cases.

I mostly agree with the rest, but once again, you didn’t fail to misrepresent my point. I never said BLM are “hateful, bloodthirsty thugs”. My initial point was that their methodology is off and does more harm and good.

I agree with the rest mostly.

[Opinion Owner]

It wasn't specifically directed at you, OP. Sorry. It was directed mostly at the people who try to derail the conversation by bringing up black-on-black crime instead of thinking that the justice system is flawed. Glad you do see a problem here.

[Jehovahkiin]

Thanks, I'm glad you understand ^_^

[Opinion Owner]

Sorry OP.

[Opinion Owner]

People down voting because they can't make rebuttals without pulling stats out of their ass

[RespecttheBadge]

Did you watch the same video I did? Clearly this African American was not obeying the police (struggling even ) -amazing how people defend others who don't respect the badge -boys in blue are only thing standing between civility & chaos

[Opinion Owner]

@RespecttheBadge oh so you're one of those uncle toms... Well, that does not give those police authority to take someone's life! And I did see the video and my stance still stands.

[bobbyxx]

That sentence for rape was rather harsh.

[Opinion Owner]

@bobbyxx it happened. Look it up

[bobbyxx]

I never said it didn't happen.

[fhuey]

Black on black crime is an issue but did you know that all other races kill each otgef at about the same including white people?

[fhuey]

*other*

[AleDeEurope]

Considering one of the founders of the movement is a cop killer, and that their motto "hands up, don't shoot" was built by a lie, we can't expect much from this movement.
It's proven they've constantly used violence, including murder, to get their stupid point across.

They're clearly filled with ignorant people too, cause just look at the numbers, and you'll clearly see that blacks and being targeted.
Anyone that agrees with BLM is a racist fool, it's very simple. They want benefits, power, supremacy... they don't want justice or equality, that has been proven by them many times.

The problem is that BLM has been promoted by the media; media who gives zero shit about white people killed by cops, that's why you never hear about that, despite being the majority.
More white people are killed by cops, but minority deaths generate more outrage.
www.washingtontimes.com/.../

It's sad how so much ignorance is inciting violence and causing the death of many.

[Mustachekitteh]

My reply to that group is, #NoLivesMatter. Since nobody is more special than the other and we're not above any plants or other animals either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oCWfzxjftM

[-Bokie-]

I think the black lives matter movement started out nice , but a few dumb individuals made it look like something dumb. I think these activist don't march on black on black crime because justice is being served. As far as welfare I don't get why some people act like blacks are so dependent on welfare. They say more white people have welfare so... kind of awkward. This is from the Huffington post it was conducted in 2013.

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U. S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

Justed Google and it said 38% of whites and 39% blacks I'd say it's not much of a difference. Don't know which one is the most accurate. Anyways growing up, me, yes a black person did not have food stamps. I know it's probably hard to believe for some people, but it's true.

I agree with you that police brutality in general regardless of race is a problem. Some of these police are crazy and too trigger happy. I think police need to have a test to make sure they are right in the head. I also think if you are to afraid of the dangers that lurk out in the world then don't be a cop. I know for one I could not be a cop, people are crazy out there. Just like a fireman wouldn't be a fireman if he was afraid of fire. It's stupid.

I do think black on black crime needs to stop, but will it probably not. Being in the community I've noticed some black people have a crab in the barrel mentality. They don't want to see another black person striving or doing good. My family and I were great, my parents were able to buy us Manu things. Of course others noticed needless to say they tried to break in our house and they set my dad's car on fire. I think If more black people uplifted each other and were happy for each other's accomplishments then the world would be a better place.

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like they broadcast these white police killing black people on the media to further the tensions between white people and black people. I think they want a race war and for us to kill each other.

[Anonymous]

The rest of the world finds this whole thing ridiculous. There is a quite blatant racial issue in your country, and when the people get too angry and can not stay quiet any longer, they're shut down and shot down. If they don't protest, and they don't make noise, the issue will continue as it has done for generations. You don't get equality and solve issues by staying home just wishing it would change, you go out and demand a change, and that's what these people are doing. That is why when they had a mass "die in" other countries did it too in solidarity. Not just black people either.
Because your cops are too lazy to run and catch a suspect like all the rest of the cops in the world, and running or disobeying is now a crime worthy of death, the people have to complain.
What I also don't understand is how other countries can hear the message loud and clear, but you people right next to them can't. They have never said black lives over orher lives or that they're above others. They said black lives matter, because for so long, black lives have not mattered to anybody.
In history, there have been no changes at all without there being demonstrations, marches, rallies, loud people not sitting down and not letting the world forget about them and what they're facing.
I truly hope your country can sort the race issues out. I know the country was one of the worst with racist history, even recent history, but that's no reason it can't change.
Good luck to all those demanding the change.

[Jehovahkiin]

I'm Canadian.
To clarify, I didn't misconstrue the movement into saying that "only black lives matter". In fact, I addressed it above. Other than that, you and I don't disagree much.

[Righttobeararms83]

Thats hardly fair. For a cop a simple traffic stop to write a speeding ticket could mean death. The Police in America have a very high death and injury rate so naturally they can get jittery and be trigger happy but the police are not the problem and police shootings are a symptom of the real problem in America and that is mass criminality, poverty and corporations robbing America blind. Things will get worse before they get better as we have two of the worst candidates for president ever.

[Opinion Owner]

@Righttobeararms83 yes, the poverty in America has always confused me. I don't understand why such a rich country has such poverty it's really sad. Then the poor people will raise poor kids who are too poor to focus on education and the cycle continues through the generations. Like I saw that people have to live in trailers and others live in the projects that are really bad. I don't get it. I watched a documentary saying there are programs in schools where they have to send food home with the kids so they know the kids will eat over the weekend :(
And with poverty of course comes crime. And with crime comes violence.
But really, there have been several cases of police brutality where the police were obviously in no danger but were just pissed off. Policing is one of those jobs where you can't allow emotions to dictate what you do and you must keep professional and not beat people up.

[Righttobeararms83]

The cops need to be regulated with personal cameras while on patrol so there is evidence either way. You couldn't pay me enough to be a police officer id rather be in Afghanistan it would be safer.
The system Is broken and just breeding more and more criminals, we need to look at Europe and how they deal with crime.

[Opinion Owner]

@Righttobeararms83 I'm in Europe, my country does policing different to America in the sense that we have more officers assigned to specific communities, especially in smaller areas. So the people get to know their assigned officers and even though there's still a divide between police and (mainly) young people, at least they know each others faces and have the officers visiting their youth clubs to engage and stuff, then when it comes to police brutality they're not really allowed to get away with it much so it happens a little less for both those reasons. There's corrupt police everywhere of course, and we have had deaths in police custody, so ours aren't perfect, but we're still really lucky they police how they do here. There's more opportunities to come back from that life too, you can have a criminal record and still get chances to get a job and move on from it no matter what you've done.
Some Europeans have decriminalised drug use too and give addicts help to quit instead.

[Righttobeararms83]

Yes I've seen that in many European countries. Unfortunately Americas crime rate is far to out of control and often the cops operate more like Paramilitaries than police officers, the country is a wash with illegal firearms, gangs run the inner cities and the most powerful and violent criminal organisations in the world are on Americas southern doorstep. There is just no simple solution snd things are getting worse. Perhaps the justice system should stop incarcerating young men for misdemeanours and lesser crimes.

[Opinion Owner]

@Righttobeararms83 yea I've seen some of the things that are seen as minor crimes here and get minimal sentencing for you'll get years for over there. Like stupid teenage mistakes can seriously end your life in America, whereas others countries you're allowed to come back from that mistake easily and learn to live a better life.

[Righttobeararms83]

The rehabilitation programmes in Norway are a real eye opener

[Opinion Owner]

@Righttobeararms83 some people, especially abroad, say it's too soft, but hey its working so they must be doing something right.

[Righttobeararms83]

for the smaller crimes not so soft. In America we put small time criminals into prison and are shocked that they come out after a few years as hardened criminals.

[Opinion Owner]

@Righttobeararms83 omg yes! And your prisons are tough too! Even for young people, they're tough. The prisons for kids here take a softly softly approach and the prisons for the very young kids are almost just like a secure children's group home. I always saw American criminals ratting each other out for less time and I can totally understand why some would do that, it's way too long a sentence usually and in a tough prison.

[StarryNights]

*applause* THANK YOU. The people who slander BLM, their minds are in the minority.

[MakeShiftThug]

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Seriously? ffs.
Saying "All Lives Matter" while opposing "Black Lives Matter" is like telling a leukemia research foundation that "All types of cancer matter, not just leukemia".
( I wasn't sure if you genuinely meant "#alllivesmatter" )

Black lives matter initially started off as a hashtag to bring awareness to the deaths of *innocent* black people at the hands of police and to point out that blacks are treated unfairly by law enforcement and that blacks are given more severe sentences than whites. Like you said, cops are more likely to shoot blacks than whites.

The "eye opening" video you used shows us how at times, police are required to use force and that shooting an unarmed person can be justified however in those scenarios, the men were perps that didn't comply with police.
But in the case of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, both men were shot despite complying with police. Which is what BLM is trying to show us.

I can go on but you get my point ( i hope ).
By the way, your take was beautifully written, How is your vocab is advanced?

[howzit2015]

I don't think cops are more likely to shoot black people than white people. I think the problem is we are employing cops with a propensity towards violence, and often tend to exacerbate situations to a point in which they result in volatile outcomes. Next, black people are more likely to commit crimes than white people. If you don't believe me go look up the FBI's study on crimes, and who is most likely to be a perpetrator. So since they're more likely to be criminals they're more likely to be interacting with cops. Therefore are more likely to be killed. Cops kill more men than women, but you wouldn't say cops are misandrogynistic would you?

[howzit2015]

My problem with black lives matter is they complain about how many black people are killed by cops, but they don't address why. They just say "racism!" They also don't complain about how you are more likely to be killed by your own race than any other race. Most likely because you interact with your own race more than another race. However, black people kill WAY more of their own kind than white people per capita. They also don't complain about how black men are more likely to get a woman pregnant then leave her ass. Making a woman raise a child by herself. Children that are raised by single parents are 20x more likely to be found in jail or suffer from a substance abuse problem, which could lead to criminal behaviour.

[howzit2015]

If you really cared about black people you would create social out reach programs to help deter, combat, and prevent such dangerous behaviours (like black on black violence, or black men leave abandoning their children). But they prefer to blame it on morosophic things that do nothing, but fan the flames of hate and exacerbate already existing tensions between groups.

[Jehovahkiin]

No, I made the hashtag at the end because GAG recommended that I make a hashtag to acquire more attention.. So that’s what I did. If you noticed, I never once completely opposed the intrinsic idea of black lives matter, only the application of it. That's what I specifically criticised. A lot of people seem to be missing that. Well.. I don't blame them with the way the opposite seems to be handling things.

You know, we don't even disagree with much. I don't think there was a single thing I read above that I'm opposed to. Mostly, I am proponent for excessive force reform.
The issue you brought up with Alton and Philando.. Well, I agree that raising attention for these issues is vital in your society. I even acknowledge that BLM is exceedingly good for doing this. Again, the criticism here is not towards the notion of BLM itself, or that killing Alton and Philando was justified, rather how BLM is being applied.

[Jehovahkiin]

To your last point.
Ty!
Iono. English isn't my first language, but I do read a lot about Eastern European history and often find myself trying to condense my thoughts in morsel-sized posts like the one above.

[MakeShiftThug]

I agree with you there, the application is one of the main issues. I also have an issue with how certain individuals or small groups use BLM, especially if certain groups of people become violent. However I wouldn't necessarily associate them with BLM and I'd simply say they were hijacking the narrative and creating conflict.

And I appreciate how you clean up your points, it may mean I have to read a little more but it prevents people from making rash assumptions.
But then again I enjoy reading.

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I was thoroughly impressed by your take, s specifically the arguments you put forth and your level of English language, respect fam!

[elew4too]

Black people have been angry about black people shooting other black people for a very long time. That outrage doesn't receive as much press. The difference between black on black crime and police brutality is that police brutality institutionally sponsored, so a solution to police brutality is more readily attainable.

Additionally, Black Lives Matter was never created to solve all problems in the black community. It was created to specifically address the unequal treatment of minorities in the criminal justice system. For black lives matter to address every issue in the black community would be well beyond it's scope and make its goal of addressing criminal justice inequalities that much more difficult as their resources would be spread more thinly.

Finally, I wouldn't trust statistics about crime and black people. If you are primarily arresting people in black neighborhoods, then your statistics will reflect the fact that black people do more crimes. Zoological analogy: It's like studying polar bears for a decade, looking at a grizzly bear for 5 seconds and then concluding that polar bears are the most violent of all other bears because you recorded them doing more violent things. You just never saw what the grizzly bear was doing while you were busy studying the polar bear. Therefore, conclusions drawn from such data using unscientific methods (such as biased policing) are skeptical at best.

[Jehovahkiin]

You raise good points!
BLM may not be a group that directly addresses particularly black-on-black violence, but my concern is the lack of widespread outrage against it. From the statistics, it appears to be an issue that plagues the black community, more so than police brutality itself.
Black-on-black crimes constitute somewhere around 30x (figure may not be 100% accurate) more deaths than police violence against black people do. With that in mind, and taking into account that a higher crime rate among black people would likely create more arrests/attempted arrests, it would proportionally make sense for there to be more police brutality against black people. Ergo, it should also be a bigger issue than the narrative employed by BLM.

[Jehovahkiin]

Here’s some stats on homicide trends during 1980-2008
Page 30 speaks of location of crimes.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Is there evidence that police are specifically targeting predominantly black areas for other reasons other than high homicide rates which occur there? (as the stats suggests).

[elew4too]

There is outrage against black on black crime, but that outrage is directed against individual assailants, not a system (individual families protesting against gang members, assailants, seeking justice for their loved ones, etc.). Black on black crime is an issue that has been addressed many times over in the black community as well (many chapters of the Boys and Girls Club, for instance, make reducing black on black crime a major tenant of their teachings and outreach [though that was not the original goal of the group]; the organization has been around since 1860 and is over-represented with black members). Annual festivals called "Jams for Peace" have been taking place for decades to raise , and the list goes on. These initiatives are simply unknown to the greater population because black on black crime doesn't affect other populations. Additionally, black on black crime is an issue that does not affect every single black person in the same way police brutality does.

[elew4too]

*to raise awareness about black on black crime and fund recovery initiatives

[elew4too]

Police going into black neighborhoods because there is more crime there is a chicken and the egg-type of argument ("the crime is there, so cops are there more"). However, the same logic could lead you to believe that because cops are there, more crime is found

[elew4too]

Which is why I say statistics gathered using unscientific methods (such as biased policing) are not a reliable basis upon which to make conclusions about the temperament of 30 million-plus people

[StarryNights]

*Reality knocking* Black Lives Matter doesn't exist to please and impress you. Their mission and goal is not to make you feel good, protect your feelings, coddle your comfort level, or gain your approval. Their task at hand is greater and more significant than a self-assigned book report length of complaints.

Black Lives Matter would not exist had so much of white America not acted, spoke, and thought as if black lives do not matter for CENTURIES. Perhaps had there been a Native American Lives matter, so many of them wouldn't have been wiped off of their land and their descendants wouldn't be their racial group most likely to kill themselves. Perhaps had Mexicans had a Mexican Lives Matter before this land got stolen from them, their descendants wouldn't have to risk their lives and fight to live here, all the while being demeaned by some Americans in the process. BLM exists because generations of white people have a tendency to act like black lives don't matter, black lives matter less, or white lives matter more.

[Jehovahkiin]

Another one utterly devoid of any coherent on rebuttals concerning the topic at hand, not that I’d expect otherwise. *yawns and rests chin on palm*

If there is a inherent problem with a movement that has to capacity to cause detrimental effects on society, I can and will express my opposing views against said movement. My stance is hardly contingent upon the idea of simply complaining with the purpose of BLM making me “feel good” and tailoring to my “comfort level”.

The actions of past generations have literally no bearing on the current generation. No one in this current generation can conceivably ‘know’ how past generations of their own people were treated, utilising the victimised stance and saying that the past is a justification for the present is downright deceitful.

[Jehovahkiin]

In any case, you seem to have tenuous grasp on why BLM was created in the first place. It was merely a response against the supposed bias against targeting blacks by law enforcement folks, hardly to do with a response against treatment of black people in the past. Go look up its origins.

[StarryNights]

Perhaps you shouldn't egotistically assume that people find your book report length post worthy of the mental effort, time, and energy it would take to form a rebuttal. Here's another bit of reality, love: Not everyone on the internet is going to find your mouth and mind as interesting as you do. It's quite arrogant of you to assume that each and every random stranger, who may not wish to spend their free time excessively focused on your tangent, is going to pause their life, sit on their ass in front of a screen, and commit an unknown amount of time to a rebuttal. Some people, such as myself, do not need random strangers to validate, confirm, or cosign our thoughts and opinions. Do you?

[StarryNights]

Not only that but, YOU TALK TOO MUCH lol You can't seem to figure out how to condense your thoughts and no offense, but your personality isn't interesting or intriguing enough to be sitting here listening to you talk THAT much. Stop begging me to agree with you, validate you, and cosign your whiny rant. If you need a designated place to vent and rant, then find a counselor instead of getting upset when random people don't agree with you.

[Jehovahkiin]

I trust that if you’re smart enough to bother reading anything I say for long enough to get hurt by it.. I’m hoping you’ve been weeded out. That’s essentially my disclaimer. Beyond that, the only serious things I say are about the nature of the subject. Not my stupid self-indulgent wordplay (I do that on purpose btw). If I’m talking in circles, I’m not trying to convey anything or make any sort of point whatsoever.

My primary reason posting is not to get people to agree with me or care what they think of me, I honestly can’t care less. I’m aware of my potential audience, but I’m writing for my own benefit, nothing else.
In the case that someone is able to demolish my arguments, there is an added benefit of allowing me to form sentiments that are closer to the truth. How can one know they're correct if their beliefs are never put to the test :P

[Jehovahkiin]

Perhaps if you didn’t form a straw man argument in your post against my OP, then I would’ve believed that you didn’t even intend on forming a coherent rebuttal against my arguments. But you couldn’t, and I’m sure you can’t. You don’t seem able to xD
I wouldn’t immediately assume that most people would even bother reading 1/5 of my entire post. However, if they attempt to make a misrepresentation of several of my points and start throwing jabs at it, they are in some way serious about attacking my position. But that’s not the point. The problem is when they attack a misrepresented position of my original argument that literally has little to no bearing to what I actually believe. Thus, I am clearly justified in saying that they lack any rational rebuttals.

[Jehovahkiin]

Strange how you claim that I have a hard time with concision, yet you had the tendency to draw out your already established points that didn’t contribute further to the overall meaning of your responses. I honestly don’t care if you do, but hey, if we’re pointing out problems with condensing each others thoughts, it’s only fair for me to do the same.

Regardless, it takes like what? Maybe 1 inch slide of the finger to completely remove yourself from my post and you’re done. I’m not too sure what you’re trying to achieve here? Attack my personality and make me feel bad? But yeah, I’m not worried about you misunderstanding me or whatever. I know I’m a nice person, I offer help to people any way I can and stick up for people who are having difficulty. You seem to prefer trying to make people feel bad. More power to you, I guess. I hope that gets you somewhere in life.

Stop taking things so hopelessly serious bc I’m certainly not going to - and I’m just getting started.

[waterwater53]

Yesssss! @StarryNights you know u made a bomb ass a statement when @mytakeowner gets mad.

[Jehovahkiin]

@waterwater53 Lol. I'm not even mad yet.
Nice response though. Contributed a lot to this thread. Thanks a lot :)

[meowcow]

Black Lives Don't Matter to Black People.
So why should they matter to anyone else?

Fact: Approximately 90% of black murders in America are committed by other blacks.
Few of these even show up as a blip on the media, because they are so common that it's accepted as the norm.
Blacks would rather have the killer run free instead of help the police find the suspect. In black culture, helping the police find the killer means you're a snitch. By being uncooperative to police, even black police, they are perpetuating the violence by letting killers walk off scott free.

The result is that blacks have made their community a dangerous place for everyone. Residents, police, passerbys... they're all targets in crime ridden black neighborhoods. When a neighborhood is so dangerous, police are not going to treat people they detain like a friendly face, because 99% of the time, they are not friendly. Those who think that police should treat each detainee in Chicago or Baltimore like an innocent person should try walking in the officer's shoes, where they are assaulted, attacked, spat on, or shot at on a daily basis by "regular black people".

Where I live, crime is very low. Police do not need to be on guard all the time because it is safe. They feel safe. The public feels safe. It would truly be an outrage if the police shot an unarmed man over here. But in these predominantly black US cities, where the crime and murder rate is 20-50x higher than my hometown, who would expect any officer to lower their guard? They'd be dead in a minute.

[StarryNights]

Do humanity a favor and upgrade your intellect.

[echoaj]

Here is my opinion of BLM. I'm not in the camp that thinks they are all bs, they are the new KKK, whiny sjw, hate group etc. Anyone who thinks this clearly does not understand the Idea of #blacklivesmatter. I have had the opportunity to personally see Ashley Yates the key lead organizer of the BLM movement, the mother of Michele Brown, mother of Jordan Davis and others. I listened to their stories and seen them cry in fort of me. They aren't lying when they say the cops treat them differently in their communities and study after study proves that. All of them truly mean well and a lot of the people BLM are trying to do the right thing. Putting that aside there have been instances where the BLM protests have gotten that mob mentality which leads them to become too militarized and counter-productive. I hated when the did the "fry 'em like bacon chant" and when in NYC they chatted for Dead Cops and I think we all remember the riots in Ferguson. It also enraged me when they block highways and roads. People who do that should be arrested. I think the right approach is to not protest against the cops but to protest with the cops. By this I mean they should re-introduce themselves to police officers and have them join them in the fight to end police brutality excessive. does OP agree?

[Jehovahkiin]

I agree with your conclusion.
Can you cite a study where cops treat black people differently their communities?

[echoaj]

Stop and Frisk in New York is overwhelming used more often Black and Latino communities. That's according to the NYCLU.
https://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data
Also, blacks and whites smoke marijuana at roughly the same rates but blacks are 3.37 more likely to be arrested. www.aclu.org/feature/war-marijuana-black-and-white

This is anecdotal evidence but i have also seen interviews with former police officers from places like Baltimore say the quota system really forces them to achieve the desired amount of tickets and arrests they need. The cop says even when they were suppose to be patrolling white neighborhoods they would go outside their district in black neighborhoods to make those arrests and hand out tickets.

So those are my citations

[Soshy]

Some people just don't understand it at all. Its such a shame that some people make a huge fuss over animals being killed, but they don't seem to want to understand the underlining issue here or really take the time to imagine being in someone else's shows.

All lives matter we get that. If you wanna shout that from your rooftop good for you, right now we are not focusing on everyone around the world. We are focusing on black people as a whole due to issues we are faced with on a daily basis. When There was a terrorist attack in Paris everyone was quick to say ''pray for paris'', not the whole globe. If you can specifically pray for one city, why can't we have a Hashtag solely for black people? There's really no difference.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Amen!

[Jehovahkiin]

But that's not my point tho.
My point wasn't to address those individual cases and assess the moral implications found in them. No.
It was a mere attempt to indicate why I don't think BLM is very helpful at all in curbing issues which threatens black lives/issues that plague the American society in general.
I literally have no issue against a hashtag that specifically acknowledges the hardships faced by black people. None. Not, not even close to one. Issue arises in how the movement is going about solving this problem.

You didn't understand my argument at all.

[fhuey]

@Soshy than you! Preach! Preach! Preach! And @Jehovahkiin you said "I literally have no issue against a hashtag that specifically acknowledges the hardships faced by black people." Than why did you make this take. The title of this take it literally "Why I despise black lives matter" lololol!

[Jehovahkiin]

@fhuey Obviously there is too much nuance in my approach to reality for you to wrap your mind around. I’m truly sorry, I didn’t mean to leave an interconnecting approach that hinge on the ability of the readers mind to deduce that which is between the lines.

Go read the damn OP then come back to me.

[fhuey]

Ok...

[fhuey]

You should try reading more yourself. Trust me when I say this but it'll help you greatly @mytakeowner.

[fhuey]

@Jehovahkiin

[helloitsmethere]

Oh my gosh... HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO POST THIS PICTURE:
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I like how everyone believes everything that the media says...

[AleDeEurope]

The media is actually what has given power to BLM. Look at the real numbers, those you never see on the headlines, and you may reconsider supporting BLM.

[helloitsmethere]

My question is, why do people feel the need to be victimized every time they aren't involved in something? What are we supposed to do? Stay quiet and watch as our own people get killed for nothing? If you dont have to make a movement to fight for your own rights, be fucking grateful. Also, there are a number of us who TOTALLY disagree with the Dallas shooting. Fighting violence with violence isn't the answer and saying you 'hate white people' and shooting them makes you an extremist and we really dont want that. Another thing, bringing up 'black on black' crime every time a black person is killed by a person who is supposed to serve and protect you doesn't say shit. There is a vast difference between another citizen attacking another citizen and someone who is supposed to be protecting you, kills you for no reason. We lost two fathers on the same day. We dont want another father to be killed, since there is a stereotype in our community saying that 'black people dont have fathers' smh..

[Jehovahkiin]

I’m guessing that you either didn’t read my entire take or blatantly ignored the fact that I literally addressed that point earlier above.
"Yes, I acknowledge the BLM does not imply ONLY black lives matter, it focuses on dealing the mistreatment of blacks in America.”

Either way, that effectively renders your point moot considering you essentially made a straw-man rebuttal against my initial argument.

I like how no one actually tries to understand the other side's narrative.

[Queen_naki5]

How do you upload photos? I had the perfect photo for this take.

[helloitsmethere]

@Queen_naki5 right click, select 'copy image address', and then 'paste'

[fhuey]

Yea @helloitsmethere is it possible to upload posts from ig here becuz I've seen so many things similar to this that I just have to share. Even though it'll be like talking to a brick wall I still want to post some things in response to the mytake owner.

[helloitsmethere]

@fhuey I have no idea I haven't done that before

[Luminifera]

if you're not black, you don't really have a say in it. sorry to say that, but you don't sound very smart, or like you think critically at all... girls like you are such a shame. oh well. one can only hope that one day you'll outgrow your "anime troll I-hate-everyone" phase. It's common for girls in their teens!

[Heiho101]

Attitudes like that, is why racism is alive and well.

[Jehovahkiin]

I don’t see why you resort to insulting me instead of expressing a proper rebuttal for any errors I may have made.
How does not being Black make my concerns any less legitimate? What you’re doing is essentially the textbook definition of racism. I’m not Black, ergo, my opinion has no weight on the subject. It doesn’t work like that dummy, as long as a particular movement has the potential to affect the lives of people, I can and will throw my opinion about it as I please. And there is literally nothing you can do about it. If you’re unhappy, leaving my thread is literally a finger swipe away.

[Jehovahkiin]

I never claimed that I’m a critical thinker.. Let alone smart O_O
Why do people of your kind insist on unwarranted personal attacks simply for expressing an opinion you disagree with? Beating people over the head for using trigger words and espousing unconventional opinions only congeals into less people talking about a subject and thus making people write off the entire subject entirely. These are important issues that pervade our society, if you can’t understand that it’s important to address them, then you should find a real cause to put your time towards.
I'm guessing that you're masquerading as an online crusader solely to earn brownie points from BLM advocates lurking in this site.

[Thisperson98]

So only black people's opinions matter now?

[Cccgala]

Once a human life is lost, there has to be something done about it. I reckon anyone is free to have a say in this issue. Come on, we all bleed the same color.

[SKIRUNNER95]

@Thisperson98 according to leftists yes. If you don't fit their agenda, they don't want you to have a voice even though you do have a right. And notice how I said she's a leftist and not a liberal. That's because leftists call themselves liberals, whereas real liberals would allow the criticism.

[Luminifera]

@SKIRUNNER95 that's right dude I'm THE SUPER LEFTIE!!! surrender now or we'll send you to gulag

[howzit2015]

It's funny how you get upset about being insulted by Heiho101, but you clearly insulted the OP in your first comment. And everyone should have a say when the actions of a group affect the entire population. That's why everyone who is a citizen of a democratic nation has the right to vote. With your logic men shouldn't get a say on abortion...

[Luminifera]

@howzit2015 i got upset? where? lol

[howzit2015]

"I don’t see why you resort to insulting me instead of expressing a proper rebuttal for any errors I may have made. "

[SKIRUNNER95]

Honestly though, you people shout down others for having different opinions. That's basically what you're doing when you're telling while people they don't have a say even though we're also members of the nation. We let you guys have a say, so we get one too. It's really bad on college campuses especially. And not letting people have a say or comparing them to Hitler for disagreeing with the left is only going to make them move further right. And to an extent I do see the PC movement as the equivalent of Ingsoc from 1984. You're having people conform to thinking a certain way and speaking a certain way or else they're your enemies. That's essentially what this is.

[StarryNights]

*applause*

[Bandit74]

I hate how disproportionate their anger is. The number of black lives taken by other black people is far greater than the number of black lives taken by white cops. Howevr, black on black murder doesn't receive a fraction of passion that white on black crime does.

I'd also be willing to bet black on white murder is more common than white on black murder.

[Bandit74]

Also you might find this interesting...

www.colorofcrime.com/.../

[cyndyrene]

How do you Knievel are not angry about black on black crime? Why do you guys insist on changing the topic so much. Perhaps we should focus on the authorities paid by us to protect us and then focus on rebuilding our communities. But sure keep shifting the blame back onto us. White people have had a 200+ year head start on their pursuit of happiness, we're just trying to catch up.

[Bandit74]

@cyndyrene
I never said you weren't angry at all but you don't seem equally as angry. I don't see black people rioting in the street in protest of black on black crime the same way they do with white on black crime.

It would make more sense if you were more passionate about the one that is responsible for the larger loss of life.

[JohnSanDiego]

Black Lives Matter should go to the black communities, where most of the black people are being killed and murdered, not by whites, but by other blacks. That's the first place where black lives matter should be demonstrating. 90% of all black murders are perpetrated by other blacks. Black vs Black. Not whites vs black people, but black people vs black people. Not police vs blacks, but black thugs, killing black thugs. Black thugs killing a little black school girl on her way to school, by a stray bullet.

A little black boy sitting in his living room playing his xbox, gets shot in the head by a stray bullet. Black street thugs, drug dealers, shooting each other, and one of the bullets goes astray, killing an innocent little kid. Happends all of the time in the black community, but we never hear anything about it.

[SinghSong]

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[SinghSong]

I'd say that pretty conclusively proves that police brutality towards black people is disproportionate in comparison to police brutality towards people of other ethnicities, wouldn't you? Unless you want to bury your head in the sand, and claim that the FBI's official figures are wrong?

[YepThatsIt]

You do realize this doesn't actually prove anything right? You have the total population as opposed to the total amount of crimes committed. Want to correct that and see what we end up with?

For example FBi also released this: www.fbi.gov/.../table-43 showing that roughly 30% of the crimes, and well above that for violent crimes (which would be what matters here) are committed by a black population. We now surprisingly have an even spread for all ethnicity and a favorable one towards blacks for violent crimes.

Last but not least the incarceration rate of black men is at a sky-high 3 to 4 times as high as any other ethnicity https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2200 Going by your numbers (and theirs) that would translate into a 47% rate and actually mean that black criminals are less likely to be shot than any other ethnicity.

Not even American so your issues are your own but mate, freaking please don't mislead people with bad graphs.

[SinghSong]

@YepThatsIt A disproportionately higher number of black people are killed by the police during arresting when they're NOT RESISTING ARREST. And when they don't have anything to resist arrest with- no firearms, no weapons, just hands empty, "hands up, don't shoot"- BANG, got killed anyway. How does violent crime factor into that? And how the heck does the similarly elevated black incarceration rate factor into that? These are the rates at which people belonging to different ethnicities are KILLED by the police "during arrest" in the United States. What point are you trying to make? Everyone else in the civilized world looks at America and sees how deep racial prejudices still are over there, sees how they're only getting deeper as the reactionaries rally against efforts to repair the fractures and drive communities further apart. Why can't you see it?

[YepThatsIt]

Mate. Read the numbers yourself. 39% black against 46% white on the killed when not attacking. There is literally no sense to what you're saying right now. You're contradicting your own information or you read your information wrong. If anything your information says that the police are more likely to shoot white people to death (which is also misleading since FBI are notorious for classifying Hispanic as white).

Incarceration rate was mentioned to help emphasize what the actual problem is. There is a tendency towards crime within the black American culture. There were studies after WW2 where many black Americans decided to stay in Germany. Their performances (education/work) were found to be identical to the Germans. Meaning that when we remove the volatile culture in the U. S, there are no differences. Now figuring out why the criminality is increased would be more helpful.

[SinghSong]

@YepThatsIt Oh, it couldn't possibly be because of the kind of constant racial profiling that you yourself employ here holding them back in the USA, could it?

[YepThatsIt]

Now you're just resorting to failed attempts at my character instead of arguing an actual case. I am of the belief that acknowledging reality is helpful in altering it.

[Anonymous]

The issue is that not everyone saying "black lives matter" is involved with BLM. I'd wager the actual political group hijacked a legitimate sentiment and message from the black community and not vice versa.

But it's all mixed together - unfortunately the media only dwells on the extremists.

[Anonymous]

Hate is such a strong word i guess any movement for any cause will get some haters for whatever reason, i think the blacklivesmatters was set up for a good cause, i don't believe it's a racist group, a few have made the rest look bad and something had to be done to tackle the problem of cops killing at random blacks just because their trigger finger got a little itchy to shoot someone they don't like the look of if this were reversed whites would move heaven and earth for something to be done, so do not try to diminish the real reason and importance of why this movement was set up in the first place, excuse me but last i checked black people are apart of the human race too and no matter what anyone thinks or how racist they are they better get use to that fact that blacks have rights and deserve the respect like any other human being on this god forsaken planet.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

Good post I'm not a fan of BLM either especially when I see videos of them shouting their rhetoric at kids trying to quietly learn and study on college campuses.

Like seriously, thats how they expect people to listen to their b. s? Shouting that you are racist if you disagree at kids quietly studying in a college library?

To me they sound like morons that dont want rational debate they just want to fear monger and shout down people

[cyndyrene]

But that's how people protest. Hahaha. What an idiot.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

@cyndyrene People protest like that inside a college library? Uh no they dont, idiot.

[Ratiocinative]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5runmyIIAExakY.jpg

[Rissyanne]

Everyone needs to see this...

[cyndyrene]

So does this justify police brutality?

[Ratiocinative]

@cyndyrene What police brutality?

[hannaxx]

Can't believe you just compared BLM to communism...

[Jehovahkiin]

It was a joke. And communism is simply an economic theory, the authoritarian dictatorship portion is not an inherent part of communism itself. In fact, true communism coined by Marx is a stateless society, ergo your dictators wouldn't exist in true communism.

[helloitsmethere]

That type of thing isn't a joke...

[Queen_naki5]

@helloitsmethere exactly. Who jokes about that stuff?

[StarryNights]

Right, drama queen much? So delusional

[Soteris]

Would we even be talking about cops shooting black people if it was not for BLM though? I mean its not like its a new thing yet here we are with an apparently completely "new problem".

[Jehovahkiin]

I did acknowledge Black lives matters is good for raising awareness regarding these issues tho.

[Soteris]

Yet what is your alternative? "All lives matter" Which literally does nothing except rub it in the face of "black lives matter"?