Do Not Vote For Trump If...

[Waffles731]

Disclaimer; I'm voting for neither Trump or Clinton

I've seen people on both sides of the aisle saying that Trump is somehow a better option than Clinton.

I'm just going to go through all the reasons I can't see that being true. Clinton might be a terrible person but I can't deny I'd rather have her.

1. His platform IS Anti-LGBT

He chose Mike Pence as his running mate. There is no way around it, Mike Pence is a vile piece of utter and complete shit. He supports government funded gay conversion therapy. The American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the American Academy of Physician Assistants,

have all basically said that its nothing less than pseudo-scientific psychological and emotional torture.

He wants to government fund psychological torture while opposing universal healthcare because he is just a piece of complete and utter shit who will one day rot in hell. That is Trump's platform. He does not care about the LGBT crowd.

2. He doesn't understand economics

There is not a single former white house economist that supports his ideas. He has openly said that he believes the recession was caused by too much regulation. My Grandfather who taught Economics at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City has said that his ideas are moronic at best. (Which is the first time I've ever heard him say the word moronic if that gives you any indication of how bad his ideas are).

3. The only country where he polls better than Clinton happens to be Russia

Let me get this out here. RUSSIA IS NOT OUR FRIEND, Russia is not our ally. Canada, the U.K, Australia are our allies. We need to keep our allies not strain our relationship so as to appease some two-bit dictator in the kremlin. I find it so funny that the party of The Great Eisenhower (And I do very much like Eisenhower, he is one of our most underrated presidents) is electing a Putin appeaser.

4. He is a trust fund bastard

Lets get this out there, He inherited millions of dollars and a fuckload of apartments and real estate from his father THAT is where his money came from. Not the sweat of his brow, not hard work. It came from the fact that he is a product of his fathers loins.

5. He is against a woman's right to choose

He wants to ban abortion unless incest, rape, or the life of the mother. Thats morally reprehensible. If you die, you literally have had to give permission for your body to be used in research. Trump wants to grant Women less of a right to bodily autonomy than WE GRANT DEAD PEOPLE.

6. Has openly said Climate Change is a hoax

Because once again he is completely ignorant of Climate Science.

To summarize Trump is a fucking danger to the public and is infact somehow even worse than Hillary Clinton which is quite an achievement.

#Election2016

[Anonymous]

I'd rather vote for the Green Party, not Hillary or Trump. I wonder if the Green Party will be on the ballot.

1. I don't really care much about GLBT issues. They don't affect me.
3. Stop the Cold War mentality! Russia is not the Soviet Union. It is not Communist. It can potentially be USA's ally, like China.
4. Just about every president in the USA is wealthy to some degree and highly educated. Your point is moot.
5. I don't really care much about the abortion issue. That doesn't affect me.
6. I believe that the rise of CO2 and methane gas emissions are problematic in today's world. One reason to vote for the Green Party. I believe that it is possible to create an environmentally-friendly manufacturing industry, and that involves innovation, which means hiring brilliant thinkers. Trump's Twitter comment puts the economy and the environment at odds with each other.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

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At this point, you might as well be talking to a carcass. People are going to vote for who they're going to vote for. Everything you've said has already been said to the moon and back. You're literally just wasting your own time

[QuestionMan]

You gave enough fucks to post 5 GIFs.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

@QuestionMan you act like posting 5 gifs from the same web page consecutitively is fucking rocket science... nigga, get da fuck outta here 😂😂😂

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

@QuestionMan then again, I've seen how you roll. So for you and half the people on gag, I can see why it would appear that way 👍

[bedroomdweller]

hey hey he posted the gifs on my take too... and i thank him they are cool... but takeowner sounds like a baby l o l

[pnl86]

#5

I don't know if people know this, but, there are three major cases that touch upon "abortion."

Gonzales v. Carhart: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2006/05-380

Roe v. Wade: https://www.oyez.org/cases/1971/70-18

Eisenstadt v. Baird: https://www.oyez.org/cases/1971/70-17

Without Eisenstadt v. Baird, there would be no basis for Roe v. Wade. In Eisenstadt, the Court struggled with the "right to privacy," as it was considered a subsection of the right to "liberty" under the 14th Amendment. The Court famously held:

"If the right of privacy means anything, it is the right of the individual, married or single, to be free from unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person as the decision whether to bear or beget a child."

So, contrary to what many women would like to believe, the right to terminate the "developing" life of the fetus has absolutely nothing to do with "It's my body, therefore, it's my choice." No. That's not the constitutional basis. The reason it's a person's right (man or woman) is because of the constitutionally protected right to "privacy" (under the umbrella of liberty within the 14th Amendment).

Theoretically, if babies could be grown in test tubes in factories, people would still have the right to terminate the "developing" fetus. So, it has absolutely nothing to do with one's "body." In fact, stay with the babies growing in test tubes in a lab hypothetical as an analytical tool.

Roe v. Wade comes along and says, there comes a point where society's interest in life and heart wrenching morality cannot take a back seat any longer. What is that point? After the first trimester. Roe v. Wade speaks to "timing." It's merely a "limit" on the unhindered right to have an abortion. What's that reasonable limit? The first three months. Beyond that, all of society's interest supersedes your interest in privacy/liberty which you sat on for 90 days.

Gonzales v. Carhart comes along and speaks about "methods" of an abortion procedure. The "method" of disassembling the fetus piece by piece through so-called "partial birth" abortions is so heart wrenching for society and contrary to the collective notions of humanity and respect to life, that it's simply not "protected" under the 14th Amendment. Other more humane "methods" of abortion are permitted, just not this one.

So, what exactly did Trump say he will do? Where is the basis of this pro-Hilary fiction coming from?

[pnl86]

The "President" of the United States simply doesn't have the Constitutional authority or power to actually do anything with respect to abortions. Even if he were to try and pass some executive order, that order would be deemed unconstitutional and of no legal effect if it overstepped what is protected under the 14th Amendment.

The 14th Amendment, not Presidents, protect people's right to privacy. Regardless where one stands on "abortion" (personal moral views), I think we can all agree on what the Constitution protects and how important the "right to privacy" and "right to liberty" are. As a society, from sperm/egg to 90-day developed fetus, we collectively are able to carry on with life prematurely being terminated. From 90+ days, if that life is being developed inside a person (not in a lab), we recognize that the actual life of the mother is more important than the life of the still developing fetus, and allow for emergency situations.

[pnl86]

That's the law, and I think it strikes a delicate balance between the reasonable interests of everyone potentially interested, given how difficult it is to wrestle with these issues and avoid "absolutes."

But women (until society starts growing babies in labs) need to understand the right to abortion (particularly Democrats and women who identify as "liberals" or "feminists"). Eisenstadt never said that the "right to privacy" extends "to women only," or is based on a person's "body." Certain "choices" are inherently private in nature, and government and the rest of society should not and cannot (under the 14th Amendment) get involved and compel a person to make those choices one way or another. That includes matters pertaining to whether one wants to be a "parent," or "bring a child into this world." THAT is the Constitutional right that's protected. Ironically, women need to understand how they're undermining LGBT rights by constantly saying, "my body, my choice."

[pnl86]

If you're going to talk about a subject and then add the little stinger of, "Republicans are idiots who have no idea what they're talking about," then at least know what you're talking about.

[pnl86]

#2, well, if your non-billionaire grandfather said "moronic" for the very first time in his life, then we know that his conclusions about Trump's knowledge of economics must be true. End of case. No need to call the jury out on this one. Sound reasoning, I'm sold (sarcasm emphasized).

[pnl86]

#1 what a waste of money. Can we at least spend our tax dollars on funding only "conversion therapy" for hot lesbians and try to turn them into "bisexual" at best? I think that's money that's well spend, and we can classify it under "experimental research" at best.

[Waffles731]

There isn'ta single white house economist who supports his ideas as I stated as well

[pnl86]

#3 that's such Liberal propaganda, and self-proclaimed non-brainwashed open-minded Liberals can't even see it. Hilary has to pick a chair and stick to it. On one hand, she says that she's tried to improve our relations with Russia and have the US and Russia work together. On the other hand, Russia is our enemy and if we do anything to improve US-Russian relations it's "appeasing" Putin (i. e., implying submissiveness).

The reason Russians prefer Trump to Hilary is because the Russian people value strength in their leaders. That's Russian culture, tradition is in their bones. They pulled Russian "people," not the KGB or Putin. If the "people" of Russia were to vote for a leader they considered to be strong, they would vote for Trump. Unlike Americans, they are also less distracted by sex "allegations" and character defamation propaganda.

[pnl86]

#4 because Hilary Clinton has forged her entire political career never riding on anyone else's coat tails, and certainly not of men, and certainly not being one of those women who basically relies on her husband for help (sarcasm emphasized).

This isn't exactly a point that helps Hilary or hurts Trump. Trump made more of his father's wealth when it was handed to him than Hilary made from all the power and connections her husband handed to her. So, Trump is more dynamic and productive than Hilary. Not sure why that's a selling point for Hilary or hurting point for Trump, but ok.

[pnl86]

#6 I'm sorry, can you just show me where the word "hoax" appears in that tweet? I'm having a bit of trouble finding it. Climate change is legitimate as a "true/false." It's "true," it does exist, it's real. From there on, however, it's a matter of "degree." To "what degree" is climate change catastrophic and dangerous? It's no secret that foreign governments often sponsor US studies at universities or corporations in order to propagate an idea that will influence American sentiment (and ultimately politics and policy).

It's also no secret that Trump isn't the most articulate person. Yet, if the US is doing its part for the environment, so should China. China shouldn't just get a free pass to pollute and "catch up" to the US in industry. Yet, here China is polluting Americans with panic/fear propaganda about the "degree" of danger from climate change, yet what is China doing to "help" the issue?

[pnl86]

#6 and to a large part, China's propaganda was sexy to American government, because the US Government thought it could spin it to anger people and have them want to get China to do its part on pollution and curb its own industrial practices (and growth) in the process. No such luck. So, the stance Trump and other Republicans are taking is, "Oh yeah? Well, if that's the way it is, then we're not going to do our part either. Let's see how everyone feels when nobody is doing their part, and one day, we are all truly in 'emergency' mode with the environment, and everyone has to cut all the excuses and BS and STOP polluting, or else give rise to a World War because you have s factory that's dumping smog into the air. By then, you can't fucking catch up to the US's industry. So, if you don't want to come close right now, then we'll see you years out when you'll be further behind, but no more Mr. Nice Guy." That's the message.

[pnl86]

white house economists also agreed with the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, which is famous for leading the country into the Great Depression. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot–Hawley_Tariff_Act

[Waffles731]

The stock market crashed a year before that was passed..

[pnl86]

It was passed in reaction to the crash, to help the US recover. Instead, it did the opposite, it drove the US even deeper into a depression.

[EyeAmNiceGirl]

Totally bogus, and totally biased. Totally a liar. You are a liar, because you claimed you weren't voting for either Hillary or Trump, then proceeded to trash Trump, and Trump only. If you were truly and honestly opposed to both, you would have spent equal time trashing on Hillary.

Totally bogus because. . . .
(1) Trump is not anti-gay. He even made a point to say it on the floor of the Republican Convention. (FYI, Republicans aren't anti-gay, either; and factually, the "gay vote" splits pretty evenly.) As for the example used, what is so wrong with government funded "gay conversion therapy"? I mean, the government has forced by law insurance companies to cover sex-change operations and help people "change gender identity." If "helping people become something that they aren't now" is acceptable to the left wing, please explain why it is wrong to help a gay guy get therapy to become straight if that is what he wants?

(2) You claim Trump doesn't understand economics. Are you suggesting he became a billionaire because he doesn't understand? You cited the rather short list of former White House economists as all people opposed to Trump's ideas on the economy. Don't look now, but the White House economists failed to predict all the downswings and all the upswings in the economy, and established policies that have led to the lowest level of employment (labor participation rate) since the early 1970's -- a time when most married women did not work outside the home, and for those who are working, stagnant wages. These same economists (of both parties) insisted that NAFTA and China-trade would HELP the US economy, but we all know they have led to big-time trade deficits and caused the loss of millions of blue-collar jobs.

(3) The yougov poll you posted is about whether people in the country being questioned think their children will be better off when they grow up than the adults answering the poll are now. Has absolutely nothing to do with Trump being president; it's just that people in Russia are seeing some improvement in their lives as they slowly come out from under the radial communist thumb; those nations are less socialist/communist than they once were, and frankly, they have nowhere to go but up. On the other hand, the US is more socialist than ever before, and people are realizing that their children really won't be better off. Countries like France and Germany -- two of the most socialist among the supposed democracies in the G20.

[lumos]

Gay conversion therapy is wrong because it often ends in suicide. And often, the person going through the conversion therapy, doesn't really want it. They are often forced by their parents, or feel forced by society to conform to what's "normal". I recently read a post written by someone who had gone through the conversion therapy. They experienced lots of suicides at the place they were being converted, most kids didn't make it out of there alive. What they do is strip you of all sense of self-worth, they strip you of your personality, they make you hate yourself until you've hit such a low point that they are able to psychologically mold you into becoming "straight". Which doesn't work. That's like saying you could transform an Asian guy into becoming white. It's harmful, disgusting, and often ends in suicide. And it doesn't work because you *can't* change your sexuality.

[EyeAmNiceGirl]

@lumos Sorry dude. The suicide rate among the LGBT community is much higher than the suicide rate of those who are straight. So, logically, it makes sense that those in therapy would also have a high suicide rate, and perhaps an even higher rate of suicide solely because they are unhappy with their current situation (or they wouldn't be in therapy trying to change).

[EyeAmNiceGirl]

(4) Come on now. His father was a successful man. Nowhere near a billionaire, but successful for sure. Why do people want to vilify some folks simply because of who their daddy is? I find such vilification to be very selective; do the left-wingers vilify Anderson Cooper for being a Vanderbilt? Any of the Kennedy family? Those folks are certainly operating on inherited wealth.

[lumos]

Yeah. That's the damn point. So instead of basically encouraging these kids to kill themselves, by stripping them of all self-confidence/-esteem/-worth in order to "turn them straight" (which isn't even a real thing), we could end this mess and actually teach acceptance. Instead of forcing these kids to conform, to the point where they're at the brink of killing themselves. You really don't see the issue with that? Where's your humanity? Maybe the suicidal rates among LGBTQ+ youth would be lower if people like you actually understood how society is harming these kids, by methods such as "conversion therapy".

[EyeAmNiceGirl]

(5) Actually, Trump isn't all that pro-life. It is a constitutional issue, and congress would have to amend the constitution to change things much; the president can't do much on this topic. That said, to say that someone who wants to prevent abortions is immoral is serious case of the pot calling the kettle black. I mean, ripping a perfectly healthy baby from its mother's womb just a few days before it would be born in the normal way is the ultimate definition of being morally reprehensible.

(6) Climate change is a hoax. At least MAN MADE climate change is a hoax. There is nothing we can do to change it. Your science teachers told you about ice ages of years ago -- it warmed up a lot since then, and unless you think the dinosaurs were driving around SUV's and running coal-fired electric generators, can we agree that the warming wasn't caused by burning fossil fuels? The proposed global warming laws target us here in the USA, while fully exempting places like China.

[Waffles731]

"FYI, Republicans aren't anti-gay, either; and factually, the "gay vote" splits pretty evenly.)"
Really, they aren't anti-gay even though they oppose gay marriage, and letting gay people adopt kids

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. Well said... the problem here with other people's opinion , ( not yours ) but others is ; these so called smart individuals are using Google to form answers and never really have lived this or experienced this out there in real life. Gag is primarily googlist. Let's see what they know in person without thier electronics in thier hand.

[RedHood7]

1-I can accept that therapy if, and only if, it is a voluntary act, not imposed. I dont see how they'd impose it honestly.
2-Who's better according to your granfather? Keynes or Mises? If he answers the former, I can't take his word as anything of value.
3-Russia is not your friend. And neither is Hillary or at least, most of her ideas and anyone who agrees with her. The polls mean nothing. Just look at how people pretend Hillary isn't a psychopath. Is this really an argument?
4-Agreed.
5-Morally reprehensible my ass. I dont care how you feel about your body autonomy. It's not your body anymore. You're carrying someone else. If it was a blood transfusion, you wouldn't be obliged to save someone else, but this ain't the case. You're actively murdering an inocent in the name of your own interest. And I dont take kindly to murderers.
6-Climate change is not a hoax, but every now and then the data is inconsistent with what actually happens. Specially with the alarmist headlines. This leads many to believe it is a hoax, specially when we consider that many environmentalists regard animal life with a higher standard than human life, and associate themselves with left-wing parties. Altough the criticism on Trump over this is a fair point, the criticism towards the other side shouldn't be ignored and/or undermined

[inceptin951]

#1 Mike Pence is his VP. Kaine is Clinton's VP and for most of his career was against gay marriage and abortion. He still holds those views privately. But I'm sure Clinton won't listen to him.
Speaking of homophobia, at least Trump addresses Islamic terrorists who killed 49 gay people at a nightclub in Orlando. Hillary wants to invite in refugees who have the same mindset. The Clinton Foundation accepted $25 million from Saudi Arabia. A government that executes gay people.

#2 He has a degree in economics from one of the best business schools in the world. All Hillary can do with her PS degree is listen to economists and assume they know what they are talking about.

#3 Polling doesn't matter. A lot of bad people throughout history were elected by a majority. Thats a nonsense argument. by the way I see Hillary is leading in Saudi Arabia where women are treated a second class citizens and gays are executed. Do you have anything to say about that?

#4 Trump took out a $1 million loan from his father. Turned it into $4.5 billion. Thats 4500 times better than what he received. You could never turn your money around like. Are you worth more than your father when he died?

#5 A woman's right to choose to murder her baby? You are a sick bastard. What about the baby's right? Disgusting of you.

#6. I disagree with him on Climate change. But Hillary is no better. She has no solution other than to change our domestic energy. She doesn't know how to get major polluters to join in. Climate change will continue to happen until the entire world addresses it and China, India, and Russia never will so we can't do anything about it until we stop ruining relations with them (like Hillary has done with Russia and China). They are not our adversaries. We can work together. Hillary is still in a Cold-War mindset.

[Waffles731]

"You could never turn your money around like. Are you worth more than your father when he died?"
Gee,
I didn't get a 'small loan of a million dollars'
and my father is still living

[inceptin951]

You didn't answer the question. Are you worth more than your father? How many times more than your father? Quit the BS. I'm not talking about 1 million or 100 million. I'm talking about ratios. Trump is worth a lot more than he inherited. I'm asking if you could turn something such as a $5,000 loan into $22,500,000. I know you couldn't. So stop acting like its easy when tons of rich kids end up complete failures in life or certainly earning less than their parents. You're just looking for an excuse to bash him and make yourself feel better about your pathetic life.

[Waffles731]

The question is stupid,
Of course I'm not worth more than my father but at my age neither was trump, and my dads not a multi-millionaire who can casually loan out a million dollars

[inceptin951]

The fact that you keep going back to amounts and not ratios tells me you are not very intelligent. So I guess I have to break it down. If your father loaned you $10. You turned it into lets says $30. That is a 300% increase. If Trump's father gives him $10 and he turned it into $45,000. That is an increase of 4,500%. So he is doing way better than the average person, including you, would do with that money. You keep focusing on the amount rather than how much Trump increased the money he was given.

[NatashaJ]

I love how people says he more honest then Clinton BRAH who knows what he does for all we know he probably doesn't pay taxes and do short cuts to save millions while people are out here having a hard time in life. This dipshit is living the life honestly I hope his wife gives him AIDS.

[Baumber]

Who pays more in taxes than they have to?

[NatashaJ]

@Baumber I said he probably doesn't learn how to read.

[BellePepper]

He'd be more likely to get AIDS from Mike Pence considering Pence did so much to cause an HIV outbreak.

[john52461]

At your age you shouldn't even bother talking about taxes. Also income tax is just one kind of tax. He likely pays more in taxes per year than what people in a small town earn in salary. Imagine the property taxes on his buildings! But no the media told you he didn't pay taxes so it must be true. Use your head for once.

[Waffles731]

@john52461 I PAID MORE TAXES THAN TRUMP WORKING PART TIME JOBS

[NatashaJ]

Excuse me if he not paying taxes and still benefits all the benefits that come from taxes THEN THAT ASSHOLE SHOULD BE IN JAIL DON'T CONDONE THAT BULLSHIT. ALSO THAT WIFE OF HIS SHOULD BE SENT BACK TO WHERE SHE CAME FROM IF HE SO AGAINST IMMIGRANTS. WITH HER BROKE ASS ACCENT.

[NatashaJ]

Again you shouldn't trust that he is paying taxes he a piece of shit. He shows daily so why is hard to believe he probably not paying taxes and other stuff to save money. Clearly your a idiot who believes he a good guy when he not.

[john52461]

I don't know how much more clear I can be. Income tax is only one kind of tax. They must pay massive amounts of property tax and other taxes for the company they run. Did you take any deductions? If you follow the law and pay what you owe based on that then that's fine. You required to pay your legal share. There is no such thing as "fair share".

[john52461]

You file tax returns and follow the law. If you didn't break the tax laws then you don't go to jail. Do you guys seriously think that someone can make millions while running a company and pay zero in taxes? There are many taxes on a corporation.

[NatashaJ]

@john52461 He can find loopholes as a rich guy, don't act like if your were rich and have a chance to get loopholes you wouldn't take it. Stop acting like he such a good guy because you seem to think you can change my mind how this bitch wants all Mexicans to go back while his broken ass wife can stay.

[NatashaJ]

Nothing you can say can change my mind about this dipshit and I have no doubt he does illegal stuff and gets away with it.

[john52461]

The same tax laws apply to all of us. You can take any deductions in the tax code too. He is for LEGAL immigration. Who told you he wants all mexicans to go back? He has mexicans working in his hotels obviously doing the cleaning and other jobs. Don't be ridiculous.

[NatashaJ]

@john52461 Then don't call them all rapists there clearly a sign he shows dislike towards them and people from other countries as Muslims. People like you can't excuse he sound like a racist any reasonable people would know its not ok to label a whole group rapists.

[john52461]

If he's doing something illegal then he should be tossed in jail, I"m more than happy to send both these clown to prison if they broke the law.

[NatashaJ]

@john52461 Well now evidence is collecting that he could had sexual assault women and probably rape them.

[Baumber]

It's probably crooked Hillary paying a bunch of girls to speak out against Trump to make gulible people like you believe he is the devil. If there is anyone we should worry about taking the office, it's Hillary.

[Baumber]

Plus, this happens every election, the media and the Democratic Party brings up so much dirt on the republican president because people believe it. It's sad how stupid U. S. citizens are

[Waffles731]

@Baumber You mean like the whole OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA bullshit.
That only appeal to so many people because of racism against the fact that the president is black

[NatashaJ]

I don't think Hilary is innocent anyway but she likely to cause a nuclear war with North Korea.

[NatashaJ]

less*

[Baumber]

North Korea will not start a war with us. They don't have the nuclear arsenal or the money to maintain a war. Plus, if they went to war with us, China and Russia don't care to go to war because of some tiny, third world country doesn't know it's place.

[NatashaJ]

@Baumber It doesn't matter THERE SHOULDN'T BE A PERSON WHO LIKED THAT IN THE POSITION OF POWER. A HOT AIR HEAD WHO NO ONE HAS IDEA WHAT HE CAN AND WILL DO. So stfu.

[Baumber]

It's actually very clear what he's thinking and feeling. He doesn't hide his anger or frustration... unlike Hillary. If there is anything to worry about, it would be someone that is too secretive and corrupt as our president. Hillary is 100% fake. We at least know who Trump is and what he stands for. I guarantee that the shit that's spewing out of Hillary's mouth is just to appeal to the poor in order to win the election. In reality, the policies she wants to implement will weaken our economy and push more people into the lower class. On top of that, our crime rates will increase due to her immigration laws and a higher percentage of lower class citizens. Which in turn would destroy every campaign promise she has made.

For instance, raising taxes hurts the economy because there is less spending, and less investing. So this causes more people to lose their jobs due to companies laying them off in order to keep their same profit margins.

[NatashaJ]

@Baumber Listen here if most of the world thinks he a douche bag that says a lot of about his character. Also you need to think why do all these people hate him. If you think he a good guy your brain dead sorry but not sorry.

[mostwomenshouldstfu]

You need to understand, most of the world is not on the US's side. They want bad things to happen to us, to bring us down. And they'll deny it to their dying breath. They want things to be fair, when they don't realize or accept, the US ROSE from unfairness. NOTHING is stopping any of them from bettering their own lives but themselves. Doing it by whining... no.

[Baumber]

They think he's a douche because he isn't a pushover like Obama and Hillary. They want someone they can fuck with and get away with it. You don't understand anything about politics or economics which is why you're voting for Hillary. You can't come up with a strong enough argument against my statements, so stop acting like you know what your talking about and educate yourself beyond what the mainstream media tells you, because news flash... it's all one sided!

@mostwomenshouldstfu Actually most of the world doesn't talk about the US very much. It's like any other country. Do we talk about Germany, Russia, or China everyday of our live's? Most people don't and that's how other countries are towards the US.

[mostwomenshouldstfu]

@Baumber You're assuming most people are like you, slick, "actually".

[mostwomenshouldstfu]

@Baumber And back to my point, most of the world is NOT like the States where people can live so obliviously and blissfully.

[Baumber]

@mostwomenshouldstfu Well the college I go to has a lot of transfer students from the Middle East. I am friends with a couple of them and I talk to some that are in my classes. They all tell me no one cares about the US. It's just another country and that we view ourselves as some high and mighty society that everyone must be jealous of. In their words, we're like the drama queens from high school.

Since these are not my point of views but of those who LIVED in the middle east... I think their legitimacy is far more than accurate than ours.

[mostwomenshouldstfu]

@Baumber Yeah, that's nice, because you're the only one who has talked to someone from another country. Sounds like you should pack your s*** and go live there. No reason to stay here if it's no different"sans we're a bunch of "drama queens". You sound like you respect their opinion more than your own.

Now, step back and think. If they don't so "clearly" carre WHY do they bother to think we're so conceited? WHY do they have an opinion of us at all if they oh so clearly don't care? either they or you're lying here brah, or are just imcompetent. Don't believe everything you here, applies in life just as much as college.

[NatashaJ]

@mostwomenshouldstfu Um that was the impression he got from other people not that be believes Americans are drama queens jesus christ. Second, just admit both Hilary and Donald are Quacks and neither should win. But don't sit here and say Donald should win. He should not he crazy and its pretty obvious by now.

[mostwomenshouldstfu]

He began with a refute and then moves to say "it's not my opinion, but other people's." when someone disagrees with him. And he makes the flaw of assuming those priveledged Muslim friends he has who can even afford to go overseas and pay out of friggin nation tuition, speak for the majority of the Middle Eastern Muslim world, they don't. Honestly, they sound just as stuck up as he does.

[mostwomenshouldstfu]

Why do you want me to admit to something I didn't deny? All I said was most of the world doesn't like us, "jesus christ".

That's enough messing, Donald is overaggressive. Hillary is a passively vengeful person. However, Donald has a number of better policies than Hillary, in my opinion. He has some dumb ones too.

[somebodysaycheese]

Ok here is my problem with this. The same people who get upset when people question global warming are the same people who believe you can be born in the wrong body ( thats a fairytale notion and scientifically and biologically impossible) and its also the same people who believe there is more than 2 genders again biology proves otherwise.

Your agianst conversion therapy. some people choose to go to conversion therapy some dont. And there are actual stories of people its helped. Yes , some of them are crazy BUT its peoples choices to go there if they made that decisioin.
Abortion is murder, its murdering the human baby in your womb. usually, murder puts you in jail unless your bruce/caitlyn jenner.

And so what he got money from his father he took that money and made it billions. Who can hate on someone who created an empire?

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. The same people who think they accually know what thier talking about , but get mad at those who do. Presidents must know (economics at both levels ) ( micro and macro ) to even have a clue of how to change things in the future , I don't know... go figure !!

[Djaaaaaay]

Oh... And this ; Are we all really going to want to throw the US away just because women want Hillary and men want Trump... gender differences? How f... en stupid is that !!

[TuMeManques]

Great points.

[QuestionMan]

I agree with you on transgenderism since it is a mental illness but I disagree when it comes to conversion therapy.
Hitting someone with a Bible doesn't turn them straight.
Gays are born with a birth defect.
This birth defect has no effect on their function in society and doesn't impact you or me.
Just let them be.

Transgenders need mental help not an environment that tells them they're deranged over and over again. That just leads to suicide.

On the abortion issue, I hate abortions and wish they didn't happen. The best way to prevent them is through sex education which would emphasize the use of contraception and give info on pro-life charities that help people in financial need.

Banning abortion is impractical and only leads to more deaths since women will go through the black market or try to self abort and risk their lives in the process.

[Djaaaaaay]

@QuestionMan I guess you're user name explains it well , although.. How do you know all this to be true?

[QuestionMan]

@Djaaaaaay I've read about the topics lol.
I even wrote a myTake on my stance on abortion and cited a case study on promoting contraception
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a26772-abortion-is-not-a-black-white-issue

Gender Identity Disorder or as the politically correct call it Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness. Just type it into Google lol.

As for homosexuality being a birth defect that is also based on a number of studies I read. They don't explicitly say it's a birth defect because it's not politically correct but when you look at the data and use your head you realize that people are biologically intended to reproduce and if something during development changes the person's sexual urges then something went wrong.

[Djaaaaaay]

@QuestionMan Well I'm quite aware of all this , although what's your point concerning this question. ? How do you feel about the question?

[somebodysaycheese]

@QuestionMan there s absolutely no hardcore proof your born gay literally none. You know a lot of things can change your sexuality.. right? Like head trauma, strokes, hormone therapy, depression pills... etc

[QuestionMan]

@Djaaaaaay What question?

[QuestionMan]

There are countless studies attempting to explain the cause of homosexuality. Those calling it a mental illness have long been discredit.
Gay conversion camps have a proven track record of failure. They're illegal for a reason. What you're calling for is to send people into an institution that will abuse them simply because they're not attracted to the opposite sex.
Leave them alone.
Their sex life doesn't affect you.

[somebodysaycheese]

@QuestionMan I mad myself perfectly clear when i said that many people should go there own their own and not be forced.
And homosexuality has never been proven as not being a mental illness or a symptom of it. It was made politically incorrect to consider it such whwn the founder of 3rd wave feminism used her ties to the apa to get it off the list.
It hasn't been proven as anything scientifically, socially though its popular beleive people are born that way.

[Rainie_]

Well what can I say, trump means fart in Britain. I think the surname suits him well.
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[LittleSally]

Don't vote for Trump IF... you're a person with an actual, functioning brain!

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[cinderelli]

Great take.. sadly trump supporters are too stupid to understand the facts.. I am not an American hence I am not biased.. I didn't know about this political system long ago.. Hillary might not be the best person to be president.. but she's still better than him.. a fool is far more dangerous to be commander in chief.. he's a pervert.. our points still won't matter to those because they've sunken too low to get out now.. but I'm glad to see a sensible American on this site..

[john52461]

It's Hillary Clinton that's sunk low, she thinks she is above the law and deleted emails from the president to hide them after she had been issued a subpoena by congress. But none of you care about corruption because Trump said the word Pussy OMG! OMG! Pervert alert. At least he didn't commit crimes. There is proof of this and if she wins she will be impeached guaranteed. You know why? Because wikileaks has the emails she deleted from Obama. This is top level corruption. Yes trump is a creep but Hillary thinks she is above the law. I know you guys don't care. She is your queen.

[cinderelli]

@john52461 you compare using another account for emails to sexual assault? wow... *slow clap* none of those email have been proved to harm the country in any way.. maybe you are thinking you're above the law because FBI closed the case.. FYI it's not about the word pussy... it's about he forcing himself onto women just because he thinks he can... keep your irrelevant and baseless remarks to yourself.. you're blinded with ignorance

[john52461]

You say I'm blinded and have baseless remarks then proceed to say he committed sexual assault. He has not been charged with sexual assault. Hillary deleted emails after being getting a subpoena. They will proceed with prosecuting her. You will see for yourself.

[cinderelli]

@john52461 he has been charged with sexual assault in 1995 and he's now being charged with rape of a 13 year old.. get your facts right old man..

[john52461]

I thought you were talking about the women who just came forward. Was he found guilty? No? Ok...

[cinderelli]

@john52461 he's gonna be in court after this election ends.. and now it's his word against his word.. because he has admitted he forces himself into women..

[john52461]

She dropped it in 1997. So no conviction.

[cinderelli]

@john52461 it's sickening that you prefer someone who is a pervert.. who has sexually assaulted women.. who probably has raped young girls.. over someone who happens to delete emails.. bravo..

[john52461]

Good I hope they prosecute him for it to the full extent of the law. He is not above the law or better than anyone else. Same goes for Hillary, she will be impeached within a week if she wins for her email scandal because they have all the emails she deleted :)

[john52461]

wow some pretty sick stuff the 13yr old girl alleges but looks like the case was dismissed and refiled
"A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was dismissed in California in May 2016 and refiled in New York in June 2016."

[cinderelli]

@john52461 it's refilled because now he's admitted he's capable of that and he has done similar things.. he'll be in court on December 16

[john52461]

Please try to understand that those are just allegations. Someone on G@G sexually assualted me when I was 15. See how easy that is? If you care so much about sexual allegations then you should know Hillary tried to silence women from coming forward against her husband. Which is also very sick and disturbing.

[cinderelli]

@john52461 that was consensual.. please do not compare consensual adultery to rape and sexual assault or sexual harassment..

[john52461]

No, I'm talking about Juanita Broaddrick, she claimed rape against Bill Clinton. Also Hillary defended a man who had allegedly raped a young girl, then laughed about the fact that she got him off the hook and that he actually passed the lie detector test.

[john52461]

also don't call me old man when you don't even use your real age on here, we all know you're not 21

[cinderelli]

@john52461 Bill Clinton isn't running for preisdency.. and the time she was assigned this case... she was a young 27 yo lawyer.. but still she asked the judge to give that case to someone else.. the judge has told this himself that she didn't want to do this.. but he told him it's her job to defend the person she's been given because it's his right to be defended.. and that's what she did.. just to be clear.. I am not a Hillary fan.. I just think she's a better choice than Trump.. because of a few reasons..

[cinderelli]

@john52461 wait what.. LOL.. someone's offended xD.. and this is my real age.. I turned 21 this August.. I don't know who ''we'' are you talking about.. I think I know my age better than those ''we''

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. I dont support Trump or Hillary. I don't like either one and I'm not voting period. I'm am NOT supporting any candidate ok... so get over it and stop with the comments otherwise. I only asked her a little question and was met with the typical bias attitude

[cinderelli]

@Djaaaaaay I was talking to her... but alright.. that's good..

[Djaaaaaay]

@john52461 Don't listen to these sexist girls on here. They believe experience and wisdom is stupid.

[CancerianMan81]

@Djaaaaaay exactly right

[TripleAce]

It's obvious what sounds crazy to you is not crazy to a person part of the elite who probably has more inside info about what's happening than us

That is a guarantee. It's almost like the stock market. You defiantly do not need to know much about it, just the right people and information. Same idea here

He may have not been the best businessman starting. But it's a little bit of an exaggeration to say he is certaintly not a great one today after years of learning the ropes

They have a saying
Smart people sound stupid to stupid people

Not saying thats you. But its just a statement to show that not everything that seems stupid on the surface actually is stupid

Even after all this it's not about acheivements and failures. It's about choosing who has the right intentions. A duck with good intentions is better than Hillary with sinister ones

[Library]

You put some very good points. I'll never vote for that moron. He has no political experience either so of course he will do a horrible job. Did you know that if Trump becomes president, he will add 5.3 trillion dollars more of debt? Clinton's plan will only add 550 billion dollars more of debt.

[castratedwhiteguy]

Are you serious? Where did you get this ridiculous information? FYI, both Trump and crooked Hillary will add to the national debt. In fact, 8 years of crooked Hillary will probably double the national debt again, just like Obama did.

[john52461]

https://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg

both idiots will raise the debt by trillions, there is such thing as dropping the debt so forget it

[rjroy3]

If I'm reading your own graph properly, then China, India, Indonesia and Argentina are alongside Russia where he polls better.

But with all due respect... what do our allies know any better than we do ourselves? Just because your friends don't fully agree with your decisions does not make them the wrong decision, nor their decisions right. We're voting for our best interests and if that strains our relationship with our allies, when it does not harm them... are they really allies?

I'm going to go out on a sturdy limb and say you're exaggerating quite a bit. But I will say, I respect the fact you are voting third party. Anyone who votes third party are the only people who have grounds to complain about voting for Trump/Hillary.

[QuestionMan]

I don't think Gary will do that well.
He'll just be a spoiler candidate.
Trump and Clinton are both terrible choices.
I wanted to see Rand Paul vs Bernie Sanders.
#StandWithRand

Trump gives off this sleazy used car salesman con man vibe and I just don't trust him.
Clinton's record speaks for itself. Someone that bad should be in jail serving a life sentence.

If you guys had the parliamentary system like we do in Canada, smaller parties would have a chance but sadly with the electoral college in place and the unbreakable 2 party system mentality nothing will change.

I'd hold my nose and vote Trump but it wouldn't be easy. I have a whole Christmas list's worth of issues with him but when you're choosing between possibly insane but containable (there are lots of checks and balances) and obviously corrupt and malevolent then the first option is 1% better.

[Jxpxtxr]

But if you are not voting at all you are actually voting for whoever wins in the end.

[Waffles731]

I live in massachusetts, there is no way clinton doesn't carry my state

[Jxpxtxr]

Well if Clinton happens to win you theoretically helped her. By not influencing the results yourself at all you are indirectly siding with whoever wins :P

[Waffles731]

Yeah, well and shocking I know,
I don't actually expect clinton to do a half bad job,
4 more years of Obama basically, and Obama's been a damn fine president the numbers don't lie

[Jxpxtxr]

Absolutely! I don't get why people are hating on him all of a sudden just for the sake of hating lol like be grateful you little bitches 😂

[Waffles731]

I used to be like that,
Then I looked at the numbers.
Created more jobs than any other president in history
The stock market recovered
the housing market is recovering
He's been a damn fine president

[Waffles731]

He started funding NASA (thats a way to win me over) again
He re-opened relations with Cuba.

[Jxpxtxr]

Haha well it's always been pretty obvious that he was the best president the US had in recent years to everyone outside the US :P

[Waffles731]

Seriously, if a candidate says, I'm just going to throw around 20 billion a year at nasa.
They get my vote
AND OBAMA DID JUST THAT

[Jxpxtxr]

I don't get why NASA isn't funded by the government to begin with tbh

[Waffles731]

It is, but the budget was cut.
Now its around 20 billion dollars again

[Brokenheartedx]

not American so I'm voting no one... right now Americans have to choose between half wit A and half wit B as their new president.. u all would be well to chuck a coin in the air and pick heads or tails..

[roselane16]

II'm prolife and a woman. Donald Trump is not prolife he is for abortion in the case of rape and incest which is a clearly bigoted pro abortion stance... It's not a woman's right to get an abortion. It's a child's right to live. And that's any child whether the father raped someone or not. The child is separate from both of his or her mom and dad and shouldn't die for their mistakes. or sins. Now Donald Trump is good on the death penalty trade and immigration. Hillary Doesn't care about america and she's shared this with the emails in many many ways. I'm against hillary and might vote for trump since he might bring judges to help overturn roe v. wade despite himself wanting to kill children because their father was a rapist.

[Waffles731]

Really, so you want to make a Rape victim go through even more trauma if she's pregnant.

[roselane16]

I am actually a survivor myself when I was a kid. And yeah, I wouldn't be in favor of killing a kid who did nothing wrong just because his/her father was a rapist. The child isn't cupable for someone else's criminal actions. That's not even a rational thought.

[4Elements]

Alright then make sure you are prepared to care for all the children in the world that could (and should) have been aborted because their mother did not want them.

If the rape victim has a child she does not want and ends up leaving him/her unloved, who benefits? The mother? The unwanted child? Or just you and your beliefs?

Hope you can rest easy at night.

[roselane16]

@4Elements who said anyone was forcing a rape victim to take care of anyone's kid. I just said I don't believe in killing a kid because someone was raped. That's a sick idea in my most honest opinion... You're no better than a rapist if you believe it's ok to hurt a child just because someone was raped. Children are innocent and shouldn't pay for a crime they didn't commit. That's not right fair or for equality in any sense of the word.

[roselane16]

@4Elements And you my dear seem to lack a conscious if you think it's ok to rip a child to pieces because someone was raped. A child has a right to live. The mother can chose to put it up for adoption. But it's not her life to take. And it's not her life to live. It's that child's. The right to live or die should be reserved for the child. And up to the child when they are a competent age to decide for themselves.

[4Elements]

Murder is killing a human being. Abortion is removing a sac of cells growing inside a woman's body against her will. A child can survive outside the woman's womb. A fetus can't up to a certain point.

[roselane16]

@4Elements yeah you ar a clump of human ces too just like an embryo. Like I said I am against killing a child just because it's father is a rapist. And as a rape victim I have no regrets. I have always been able to understand it's wrong to kill children no matter what.

[TheButterfly]

People like you remind me why I've stayed off this site for a few months.

[4Elements]

@TheButterfly Well you better hop off again then.

[redeyemindtricks]

@4Elements Don't forget the fact that legalized abortion leads to a sharp drop in violent crime -- because THAT is where a lot of those unwanted children end up.

pricetheory.uchicago.edu/.../...fLegalized2001.pdf

[ginny_weasley]

Trump fans don't listen to facts.

[rjroy3]

I imagine the same could be said about any arena of groupies.

[ginny_weasley]

@rjroy3 true. At this point, I am way past done with the election.

[rjroy3]

Supposedly around 51% to 58% of Americans were surveyed expressing the election being a regular form of stress in their everyday lives. So you're not alone lol.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Neither do Hilary supporters

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. And the Hillary fans do?

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay never said they did in fact I never said anything about her. Doesn't stop people from always bringing up Hillary when I bash trump.

[echoaj]

I'm a trump supporter, can you explain me what facts are? Thank you.

[ginny_weasley]

@echoaj no thanks I choose life.

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. It never will stop when you bring it up first !!

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay uhhh I didn't bring her up. Lay off the alcohol.

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. Personally , I think you're quite bitter and this is your true always attitude in general.

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay I am quite aware that I am bitter. My resting bitch face could pierce your soul.

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner And stop talking all friken wild at me , I'm not some stupid little boy.

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay you are getting mad for no reason that is childish. Go fuck myself? I would have to buy myself dinner, I'm a classy lady.

[rjroy3]

@Djaaaaaay Dude... Chill lol. She said Trump fan. Like a groupie. Someone who obsesses over another human being. That doesn't necessarily mean you. She didn't say everyone voting for Trump.

No need to take things personally.

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay I don't think you know the meaning of the word sexist. I know I'm a bitch, no need to tell me. Again, you're gonna have to buy me dinner I don't do charity work.

[Djaaaaaay]

@rjroy3 I'm not chilling on stupid ass people talking all f... wild at me. What I told her I meant.

[ginny_weasley]

@rjroy3 thanks for defending me. Whatever he is drinking, I will have.

[rjroy3]

@Djaaaaaay As long as you are aware you are acting like a ridiculous person.

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay literally no one was talking to you. I would assume you meant what you said. No fuckin duh Sherlock.

[rjroy3]

@Djaaaaaay I doubt you'll wake up tomorrow thinking, "man, I'm really proud of how I blew up on that girl last night. I feel good about myself".

[rjroy3]

Whiskey does sound good right now come to think of it lol

[smahala1991]

@rjroy3 I read that earlier. I had actually decided not to vote but seeing what shape everything is in I decided to vote one more time in case whoever is elected in causes the end of the world

[Djaaaaaay]

@rjroy3 Seriously dude !! What's up your ass?

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay how many times do I have to tell you? I'm aware I'm an asshole don't be so politically correct. You're not being respectful now. Like a basic trump fan. Sighhhh I like to think I'm a badass.

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. Well I'm taken for sure right now , but if I wasn't... ide buy your plane ticket here so I could meet your bad ass. I like them tough , although I think you're blowing a bunch of smoke instead. I respect everyone, except those who don't bring that to the table when they talk (at) me.

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay you don't respect jack shit. You just went off on a 19 year old shut your goddamn cake hole.

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. That's funny... you're still an idiot 19 yr old or what ever. You talk crazy and tough... now you claiming victim. I don't care about as much as you do. You are old enough to reap what you sew.. deal with it

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay and you say you're respectful? That's funny. This is an opinion posting site not an argument site. That's what Reddit is for. If I agreed with you, you would probably be a lot nicer. But no, you're Trump fan. Anyone who disagrees with you is your enemy. I have a good friend who is a trump fan. Pick your poison.

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. I'm not voting and I don't care about Hillary or Trump. I only ask about some other facts concerning the other.

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay really? I just assumed you were crazy or just really drunk. You didn't ask, you attacked like a jackass.

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. You drew first blood

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay you commented on my opinion. I really wish I never had the displeasure of getting to experience you opening your mouth before you think.

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. Listen... I do have great respect for everyone. I always stick with who Evers right on here male or female. I'm especially understanding of others and try to help as much as I can. When others become smart ass to me , I'm the same back. I don't bow down to no one period. But if I'm wrong or didn't see things clearly I will always say I'm sorry or etc..

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay you have yet to apologize for being an obnoxious jackass. Even if you don't agree with me, that still doesn't warrant you calling me a bitch and whatever else you called me. The only person who calls me a bitch is me. No, you are not respectful. Clearly no one told you that is not the way to behave when you disagree with someone.

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. Maybe , but you as well as myself know what both of us were spilling out of our mouths. I wasn't disagreeing with you.. all I asked was what about the facts concerning the other candidate. And the mouth started at me.

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay no you fucking weren't. Do you hear words when they come out of your mouth? Are you done calling me a bitch now? Because I still fucking hate you. Go back and read your own comments. Are you sober now?

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. And the Hillary fans do... was what I asked...

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay go back and try again. I answered that. Do you want to get blocked? Because you're annoying as hell.

[Djaaaaaay]

Opinion owner. Look how you assumed I was some ass for asking... . and please block if you wish , just your attitude was just as annoying to me too.

[ginny_weasley]

@Djaaaaaay you never asked a question though. Not that I care or will answer a question from you. I am well aware I have attitude. You could've stopped running your mouth at any time you were the one to comment. No one shoved a gun to your head and forced you to be an obnoxious jackass to a 19 year old.

[rjroy3]

Well... that escalated quickly lol

[cinderelli]

ginny_weasley he's a typical Trump Supporter.. lol.. it's an intellectual crime to expect more from them :D

[RainbowFanGirl]

This thread just makes trump supporters look bad.

[openthedoors]

Not gonna vote for Hillary because I don't want to see her start a war at the request of her donors, who are war mongering billionaires.

[CancerianMan81]

exactly right

[Ratiocinative]

1. He wants to promote health sexual behavior and help people with sexual and identity disorders? OMG WHAT A HORRIBLE PERSON!!!1!!111

2. I don't know what Trump's economic policies are, but it can't be any worse than than Clinton's plan to keep increasing taxes and give out lots of free stuff to people.

3. Why should we care what other countries think about our politics?

4. Trump got his money from his father, and Hillary got her money from Saudi Arabia and Russia. lol Clintion Foundation.

5. Women can choose to use birth control or to not have sex all they want, they just can't choose to murder babies.

6. When one religious leader's prediction of the the end of the world fails, everyone laughs. When hundreds of climate scientists fail dozens of predictions of the end of the world, they get millions in government funding. Yes, hoax.

[Waffles731]

The American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the American Academy of Physician Assistants,
have all basically said that its nothing less than pseudo-scientific psychological and emotional torture."

[Ratiocinative]

yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

[Waffles731]

No, I'm consulting Experts,
You are doing an appeal to authority by consulting the bible

[Ratiocinative]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

[DanoMR]

Registered democrat voting for Trump checking in.

Don't you see that this is the only time we will ever, ever get to unseat the global elite from the presidency. Trump can't be bought.

Or, you can listen to the large media outlets, whose owners will only continue to make money if the status quo is continued.