Don't hate and laugh at people who are regretting voting for trump

[Waffles731]

I'll admit I was having a jolly good time laughing at them and saying serves you right, then I came across this.

And I wasn't laughing anymore. The realization that I had been laughing at people like this man, well I'm ashamed of it. These are peoples lives. I voted for someone (not hillary and never trump) who I think actually gives a damn about other human beings. That doesn't make me any better than trump, who mocks disabled reporters

We shouldn't mock the Coal Miners who are going to die because they'll lose insurance as black lung is a pre-existing condition. We shouldn't mock people like Bob up there. If we do that, WE ARE JUST AS BAD AS TRUMP.

These are people with hopes, dreams, families, fears, and a soul. The fact that I was mocking them and calling them dumbasses and saying serves you right, is shameful.

I try to remember Hanlons Razor in times of trouble

These people aren't bad people. These are people who were tricked into voting against the interests of the lower and middle classes. That doesn't make them evil, it doesn't mean they deserve what is happening. These people made a mistake, we've all made mistakes. The fact that theirs effected us all doesn't mean its still not a mistake. The pain they are going through deserves the sympathy we'd give anyone else. If we are going to get through this, we can't alienate and cheer at the pain of innocents. That's not what we stand for yet its what I was doing and for that I am deeply ashamed.

Addendum.

Its still perfectly okay to laugh at the idiot below though

[BellePepper]

I feel 110% okay with disliking those people. And do you know why? THEY KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN. They KNEW he wanted to scrap the ACA and social programs! How many MONTHS have I been on here yelling about it?

Did they REALLY think their boat was any different than mine? Because I sure as hell didn't. This is the real life example of taking a puppy and rubbing its nose in an accident. Is it the BEST thing? No. Will they learn from it? You bet they will.

[Waffles731]

actually A LOT of people were too stupid to realize that the obamacare and the ACA was the same damn thing.
The republicans conned them and these people are realizing they fucked up instead of doubling down. Don't hate them for it, these people got conned and are now with us

[Iraqveteran666]

The only people doubling down are liberals with same messed up bullshit that cost them the election

[Waffles731]

@Iraqveteran666
Considering that we've seen neither hide nor hair of hillary clinton, I'd have to disagree

[Iraqveteran666]

https://youtu.be/oPWsVVgi9fI
Doubling down worse than before. I guess Trump will again take the next election if this is the democrats message.

[BellePepper]

@Iraqveteran666 You know you are just SO brave to keep being a ready and willing example of how little conservatives understand and how bad people can be at making good decisions. What ever would we do without you?

[Iraqveteran666]

Just doing my part to make America great again.

[BellePepper]

@Iraqveteran666 Ooo! Good job being a great example of how the American education system is failing children! You are so good at this!

[Iraqveteran666]

Well blame Obama for that one lol

[BellePepper]

@Iraqveteran666 Naaah I'm p sure you went to school for more than 8 years.

[Iraqveteran666]

Not to worry Trump is on the case.

[BellePepper]

@Iraqveteran666 media.giphy.com/media/xT77Ye0bOptd4G2R9K/giphy.gif

[Iraqveteran666]

https://youtu.be/Zaqvc-0XDMM
Time to make America Great Again.

[BellePepper]

@Iraqveteran666 Like I said you need to step way up on the intelligence ladder if you're going to be allowed to keep commenting.

[1inten]

America you are not alone. Here in the UK we have also had a Homer Simpson moment DOH!!! In both cases the result of the vote is democratic and lawful, but let us not forget Adolf Hitler was democratically elected as the chancellor of Germany in the 1930's. careful what we wish for, it may just come true!

[nalaa]

that's not entirely true. Hitler never got a majority vote. Well until he got 99% but for obvious reasons that doesn't count.
But no there were three elections 1932 (or was it 4? ) In all of which his party failed to get a majority. In the first he got 30% I believe and slightly more in the second. But never a majority. No one "won" in 1932, germany to this day normally has coalition governments. But general Hindenburg got close to a majority and because the nazis won a large number of seats he decided to form a coalition. And then unfortunately he died, making hitler chancellor temporarily just that he never got back that power

[Waffles731]

We are the only people in the western wrold who made a worse poltiical decision last year

[1inten]

@nalaa I shall re phrase Hitler gained power democratically.

[1inten]

The Nazi party became the largest elected party in 1933 Hitler became chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933 as a result. And I could go on but I have better stuff doing

[nalaa]

In germany in general elections you get to vote for two things the chancellor (then president) and the party.
The chancellor vote is obvious, the party votes determines how many seats each party gets in the Buundestag (then Reichstag). Back then the chancellor was not the head of the state, the president was. So I think sometimes people get kinda confused about what it actually means that hitler became chancellor in 1933. He hadn't won the presidential election he was appointed by president the president Paul von Hindenburg, after his first choice resigned. Hindenburg died in 1934 and that's how hitler became president. which I also think is more commonly used as the date of Hitler gaining power.

In 1932 the nazis were in fact the largest party but didn't get a majority and hence couldn't form a government on their own. They also couldn't agree on a coalition with the second largest party, the communist.
In the Nov election 1932, which I think is generally seen as the last fair

[nalaa]

election they got around 30%. In the same election I think hitler got around 30% vote for president, which is a considerable minority yes, but it's around 20% away from forming a government.
There were elections again in 1933 which included a lot of violence and still the nazis didn't get a majority.

So I don't think it's fair to say that hitlery democratically chosen, such as for example trump. It's not true and it's not fair, to the majority of people who didn't vote for Hitler in 1932/33. You'll also often get this example of hitler supposedly winning the election as an example of democracy not working. That's not true. It DID work, but the Weimar republic was a flawed and failing system to begin with

[1inten]

@nalaa To be honest my point is; that both Trump and Hitler gained power through a democratic system. It is my view both men were and in the case of trump are unfit for the office of president. Hitler was however very good at dictator. Not quite as good as Stalin though. your turn?

[nalaa]

The system might have been officially democratic and yes Trump did become president through the system. Hitler though not really. He was not voted head of state, neither did his party get a majority. He had to break the system in order to become president.
Trump also ran with an established party, Hitler made up his own party because the "establishment" wouldn't have him

I think the starting points are also very different. The Weimar republic was germanys first attempt at democracy. 1932 was not even 20 years after losing a massive war, which was run by an emperor. The people were starving and the country was basically in a civil war like state. I think that should extremists like Hitler or Trump a lot more fuel, I would think
The US on other hand is or was anyway, a stable democracy that is generally prosperous and peaceful. Trump kinda came out of nowhere.

I don't know if I would call him an successful dictator. All he did was start

[nalaa]

a war that he lost and tbh never had a chance of winning. So his 1000 year empire lasted barley a decade. In comparison other dictators had a reign that lasted decades, think Mao, Kim Jong-il, fidel castro...
But I presume what you mean is that is rhetoric was convincing, which it was. I'm german, I'm not sure it really translates but hearing his original speeches and nazi films, they are extremely well made to the point that they still work today, even knowing everything that happened. I don't think you'll ever see anything quite like it
Whereas Trump sounds like he's having a stroke half the time

[madhatters4]

we shouldn't laugh at anyone's misfortune in realizing a fault they made, whether it's in politics or otherwise. if our country really goes on a down slide the direction some believe the trump administration might take us then we are all going to suffer the consequences.

[spuitkaas]

As someone who doesn't live in the US (but followed the presidential election) I never really understood how a man like that can get that many votes. Everybody here I know thinks Trump is an idiot. Even our media thinks so. So we're just watching here hoping Trump won't screw over NATO and I'm hoping the populistic party here won't get the most votes next elections.
This video pretty much explains it all.

https://youtu.be/VCucYfFihKs

I also never understood why people hate Hillary so much. I thought she seemed decent and qualified for the job.

[Waffles731]

"I also never understood why people hate Hillary so much. I thought she seemed decent and qualified for the job."
Hillary is evil, she just wasn't as evil as Trump,
Me, I'm a Sanders Fan

[spuitkaas]

Can you explain why she's evil? I'm probably missing something because I don't know the whole history with Hillary. I thought her plans were pretty good.
I also liked Bernie Sanders. He seemed like a nice and caring guy, but he was too socialistic to become president of the US. They're just not ready for it. Maybe here in the Netherlands he would've more of a fair shot.

[Waffles731]

Hillary, well she is undeniably corrupt, she's got ties to big oil and wall street, not as much as trump but still there, she was on walmarts board of directors. She is evil

[spuitkaas]

I don't know why she is corrupt. Never heard of her doing corrupt things, but then again I don't know her whole background. I don't see how having ties with oil companies, Walmart and Wall Street is necessarily a bad thing.

[DontStepOnTheCat]

people voted for trump because he's not a bitch. you scandanavian people have the most bitchy men in the world so its understandable why you guys wouldn't like him

[spuitkaas]

@DontStepOnTheCat it already says a lot about you that you think the Netherlands is Scandinavia. Says how much you actually know about northern European countries and how much research you've done. You probably don't know anything about my country so don't tell me how the men are like here.

The whole problem with your elections is that it's all just a popularity contest. The one who shouts the loudest wins. Many people don't even look at their plans. Especially looking at the people who voted for Trump and are now bitching about things he has done like insurance. He has spoken about these plans long time ago. It's not somethings new.
Luckily our bitchy male prime minister has good ideas and is not an idiot. I'd rather have a bitch as our prime minister with good ideas, than an idiot with a big mouth.

[DontStepOnTheCat]

trump didn't win the popular vote. so i guess its not a popularity contest.

[spuitkaas]

@DontStepOnTheCat it's pretty stupid system you got there. So many more people apparently have voted for Hillary, but still hasn't won. I understand why you have this system. It's probably to prevent fraude, but that something like this can happen is ridiculous. So many people have to live now with a president they didn't vote for.

[DontStepOnTheCat]

we have a great system. the united states is like the eu but better. way better.

[DontStepOnTheCat]

think of the united states as fifty different countries under one flag. each state= country and they get a say. we have an alliance of 50 countries in the united states.

[DontStepOnTheCat]

we have the system to prevent large urban centers from controlling the united states. if it was a popular vote then LA and NYC would determine every election. there would be no point voting anywhere else.

[spuitkaas]

@DontStepOnTheCat good point and I get that, but maybe the president has too much power then. Maybe the US is too divided to have one president with that much power.

[spoonman2014]

Well she has done some shady things, like almost everyone who had evidence in the bengahzi deal died... Also it is the heard mentality, people didn't want to be shunned or excluded for for voting for someone else or against him when they knew he was terrible. And shared responsibility. You ever see the world star video were the girl is being raped but well over 100 people are filming it. Because there was so many no one felt the need to step in and stop it. If there was like 5 people someone would have done something so that is why they voted for him. Even when we had creepy dad (trump) vs mob lady (clinton) vs the logical option 1(sanders) vs logical option 2(johnson). But because everyone's peers went for trump or clinton they followed suit

[OrdinaryGentleman]

He really only got a 1/4 of the nations votes. Keep that in mind.

[pr3ttybr0wn]

fuck them. i dont feel sorry for them. had they done some research and not just blindly jumped on the trump train they would have seen this coming. when people tried to warn them and speak out against trump, many trump supporters were bashing us so-called liberals. well it is what it is. even though he didn't win the popular vote, they campaigned so hard for him to be prez so now they need to suck it up and deal with it. they will learn what its like to struggle and i hope they learn something from it.

[Prof_Don]

#Preach

[BuchitaBuchys]

I agree with this. But god damn is it hard being the better person. Im not laughing though because I live in Chicago, and guess what? He wants to send the feds on us. Im poor af. Most of my family are immigrants, there are many things he's for that greatly affected me.
Oh well, we can all be fucked over by him together.

[BuchitaBuchys]

pics.onsizzle.com/...o-share-download-12904276.png
Sorry, I can only drown my sorrows in memes now :/

[spoonman2014]

I love that lol!

[LiveFreeorDieHard]

Lol pornhub.

[steven7890789]

You told me a while back you live in Texas

[Waffles731]

@steven7890789
People can move and texas, well most of texas is an utter shithole

[BuchitaBuchys]

@steven7890789 you have mistaken for someone else. I make fun of Texans and Texas for their excessive pride, but I'm pretty sure everyone here knows I'm from Chicago

[Tabbie]

I think they deserve it to be honest. Obviously nobody should be denied healthcare because of not being able to pay. But Trump blatantly ran on a platform of racism, sexism, and islamophobia, and these people who voted for him clearly didn't care enough about the POC, women, and Muslims who they knew would suffer under his administration. If they only regret their vote when it negatively effects them but don't give a shit when it's other people getting hurt then they deserve some mocking at the very least. I'll feel sorry for them when they're actually willing to give back some solidarity.

[nalaa]

Frankly I don't really see why people have regrets?
As far keeping campaign promises, donald trump is in the 90th percentile of world leaders.

He said he would build a wall, well he's trying. He said he would ban muslims from immigrating and again, he's trying. And what people seem to be bothered with is that he said he would get rid of Obamacare and well is working on that too.
I think he also made it abundantly clear that he is unfit in every way to be president. I don't know what people were expecting?

[DontStepOnTheCat]

i think he's great. he's the best president in my lifetime.

[spoonman2014]

There is a lot of psychology here, people don't wanna be left out. If their friends or family are voting for a certain party they will vote to not feel left out or shunned for picking someone else. Then we have the shared responsibility dynamic. Because a bunch of people are voting for him, if anything bad happens they don't feel solely responsible for what happens. It is like that video on world star where the girl was being raped and everyone filmed it, there was well over 100 people there so no one felt responsible for helping her. If there was like 5 they would have at least done something.
Then we have people trying to justify their actions, it is like being in court and you have that 13th juror who won't agree with the others. So you try everything to sway them because that 13th juror makes you look at yourself and people don't like being wrong

[nalaa]

@spoonman2014
So what are you saying? That people got peer pressured into voting for Trump? I don't think so. Voting is anonymous for a reason. besides even in Texas about 48% voted for Hilary Clinton. That's a very large minority.
I don't think fear of social exclusion or otherwise peer pressure is reasonable here

[spoonman2014]

Yes it is, among peer groups. Can you imagine going to like a church that is pro trump and you tell someone there you are voting for Hillary? Can you imagine living in the streets of Compton California and they think Hillary is their hero and you tell your peers trump is the answer? Yes their isn't some supreme over load telling people who to vote for but their is communities of people who play mind tricks and force their peers to to fall in line with them. Since I turned 18 my parents always got in my hear trying to get me to vote red, I went democrat the first two times. My dad would do everything he could to reach me when I served in United States air force telling me Mitt Romeny was the answer even when he knew I couldn't be reached. This year I went libertarian and even then my parents tried to sway my opinion and even as I sit at home with my VA benefits messed up due to the federal hiring freeze they are trying to justify his actions and theirs.

[spoonman2014]

And yes voting in anonymous, but it isn't an anonymous topic. Even if you told your family who you voted for they might tell someone else and they confront you about it. Or even things like social media, people share memes and shit all say and they can even see statuses and comments that you like too and assume who you may vote for and confront you that way. I can also say from my life, i'm a black man in college, i'm more moderate and my parents are super conservative Christians. The extended family and most of my friends are liberal and get caught in political conversations all the time due the blended political parties in my life

[spoonman2014]

It's because people are one issue voters, granted you may not find a candidate that aligns with everything you care about. But this is what happens when only focus on one thing. So many of my fellow veterans only cared about Mathis being SECDEF, military pay raises, homeland security, more troops and equipment and now it is affecting everything else in their lives and they are stunned

[Waffles731]

My mom and dad are vets.
I feel like an utter dick after my actions and then reading that tweet at the top

[spoonman2014]

What can you do? I hear things are on track again

[VirginiaBeachBum]

I have to disagree. This is a decision they made after ignoring hundreds of comments from him over the years which gave a very clear picture of the type of character he possesses, or more appropriately, lacks. This was not something foisted upon them without their consent. They bought it, let them live with their buyer's remorse. I'm not going to mock them, but they won't find any sympathy from me, either. I do welcome them back from the darkness once they realize their mistake. But that is something they may have to learn by a hard lesson on their own.

[RhythmBlack]

No Sympathy, they blindly followed him when what was coming out of his mouth was dogshit. All I'm saying- their guns and bibles will protect them from the bears and the liberal media.
Did I like Clinton, not really, didn't really care for her, but she was qualified for the job, not him and they dragged her in emails which turned up nothing.
How they managed to trick themselves that a rich man cared about them was their own fault. They're reaping what they sowed.
Do they deserve it? No.
Do I care? No
Do I feel sorry for them? No sympathy here.

[RedThread]

I think it's so wild how some people didn't see some of this shit coming down the pipe. Did they try to at least stay the slightest bit informed on the issues? There are pros and cons to all candidates but it's up to us as voters to try to minimize the cons that could really jack up our lives.

[Anonymous]

No we shouldn't mock or laught and I haven't, I've remained tight lipped. I mean when we were all voting and I saw the amount of people I knew voting against their own interests I expected a lot of regret when that finally hit home but I can't help but resent them a bit... their bad judgement call screwed everyone, not just them. If they thought about the bigger picture and not with anger or fear then this wouldn't have happened to begin with... the amount of people who willing throw themselves under the bus was astoundingly sad.

[Phoenix98]

Still happy I voted for him, also these people who are regretting their decision must be blind because is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. So if they never agreed with what he was going to do which they knew full well to begin with then why did they vote?

[Waffles731]

'So if they never agreed with what he was going to do which they knew full well to begin with then why did they vote?'
The world can be explained by two things, people are stupid and people are crazy

[Phoenix98]

Both true but if that's true in their case then do they really have any right to complain what they voted for knowing full well what he was going to do?

I mean if you see a nail on the side of the road and then go over and step on it purposely knowing full well it's sharp and probably rusty do you really have any right to complain about the nail?

[Anonymous]

Well it just goes to show that conservative and right wing ideals just don't work. They never seem to learn that.

They believe in Competition rather than fair life for all people and species. They do not see global warming or environmental change, well it has been changing for a very long time and will continue due to human pollution and greed. If you watch any news casts that speak to right wing minded people, they all sound like they didn't get past grade two, unless they are a politician, Then they are usually business people who are arrogant and self

[John_Doesnt]

It's like watching a kid discover Santa didn't forget about his house, it's just his dad is a deadbeat.
These people still knew that Trump stood for other horrible things, though. They knew he was a sexist, homophobic failed business tycoon. Only now when the things they personally care about are threatened do they actually change their mind.
They are still the same selfish people who only care about politicians when it benefits them.

[MarkRet]

I didn't like Trump or Hillary (I voted for a 3rd party guy who had a.01% chance of winning). I don't hate or laugh at anyone who regrets voting for Trump, but all I can say is, "I didn't create this Frankenstein!"

[Waffles731]

you and me both

[MementoMori_]

What the propaganda media didn't want you to know is that the hand motions and voice that candidate Trump used when referring to this reporter are the same as he has used many times prior to that when referring to other people who do not have disabilities thereby establishing that his intent was not to mock this reporters disability, but rather to mock his disingenuous reporting.

Here are some of Trump's previous uses of this method:

https://youtu.be/CsaB3ynIZH4

[WriterAndPainter]

I don't regret voting for him. Just because I voted for him doesn't mean I agree with everything he says. That would be like saying someone that voted for Hillary Clinton is automatically a pro-choice. We all have our reasons and President Trump visited my area and spoke among vet and military folks. Let's stop pointing fingers and just wait and see what happens. It is not a one-man show, he does not have all the power, and at the end of the day Congress really holds the key to what happens more than we realize. And everybody on this whole Muslim ban propaganda needs to understand and realize that if you go to their country MOST, AGAIN, MOST NOT ALL of them would probably kill you because you're American but you want to let them in without going through stricter and more vigorous investigations on the people who need to come here. I'm all for having a safe haven for people, but we need to know who the hell we're letting in our house.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

Why not laugh and shit? It's not my problem. Nigga, if I tell you that if you throwing knives in the air is dangerous for a year and 1 day, you fucking lose an eye, guess who isn't going to feel bad? The jackass who told your downs syndrome ass that it was fucking stupid to throw knives. Fuck'em. Like I said from the start for both sides, I'm just a bystander who is just gonna sit back and laugh as y'all monkeys realize the mistake you made and drown and your shit... I told y'all from the start and I gave y'all y'all's chance 🙄

[Red_Arrow]

Not laughing at them, but not feeling sorry for them either. Trump changes his stories more than he changes his underwear. So it is obvious he is lying a huge part of the time. So they were not-so-bright to trust him. Also, they seemd pretty happy about what was going to befall others, and only regret it when they find out they, too, are getting hit. I can't feel sorry for people who don't care when others get hurt, but cry when they are also jurt by the same things.

[oddwaffle]

Does it matter? Give them a hug a cry together? Gather a support group and call it Survival Under Trump Initiative (SUTI)?

The senate dictates the rules so write to your senator and ask them to do something. Write to your governor and your mayor, each state can support its own ACA if it can. Plea with them Republican because they want to scrap the healthcare all together. Your lives depend on it so you should actually do something to save it.