@Mysterioustruth l, it is called being adult enough to get past something and still being able to acknowledge the good in someone. Women definitely are able to do that and I am really glad 😉
The real problem is saying feminism is equality. It isn't at all and is all about female superiority. Im all for equality but we need to accept biologically, men will always be dominant. Its in our nature and we can't go against that but feminism challenges that creating a modern woman who is so undesirable.
You could have perfectly embodied the difference between the two by describing a Rome Derby between Lazio and Roma. Or you are from the North, so Juve' versus Torino :)
In a word, HYSTERIA
Feminism/Anti Feminism is the same- Hysteria
Too many 'strunza bambino' wrecking the potential good of Feminism with their hysterical antics
People who are feminists are an abomination. I'll explain why. 1. Any group that have more than one definitions is a joke. 2. Feminism has served it's purpose to the point where women are at an advantage compared to men. Feminist ar the lowest pieces of skum there is in the world.
There really are some unfair double standards like this one: If a guy sleeps with a ton of women, gets laid all the time & will sleep with any woman he's called a stud and a player. If a woman sleeps with a bunch of guys, gets laid all the time & will sleep with any man she's called your mom.
I believe in Equity not so much Equility. Will have to agree with you on most things. I see myself as having a dominant personality yet I am not a feminist. I don't need feminism to make me feel powerful, because I already am!
The only thing I agree with you about is not bashing all men. Yes we know that not all men are part of the problem. But the rest of it seems like you are not seeing the problem or you're trying to make the problem go away. Feminism doesn't insult women, it gives them a context to understand where their problems are coming from. I don't know what sort of job you work at but it's hard for me to believe that you don't see sexism in your work place.
The only battle feminism is capable of fighting is the legal one and it already has and it won on that front. Women have all the legal rights that men do.
You can't stop people from thinking or acting sexist, racist, etc. That is thought policing and is overly authoritarian in nature and would never fly in the west.
@HorrorFan "You can't stop people from thinking or acting sexist, racist, etc." Yes you can. By raising awareness of these issues and educating the next generation so they don't grow up to become sexist and racist. Laws are meaningless if people don't follow them. It's worse if even the law enforcers (like police) don't believe in them.
No. You fucking can't. Stop drinking the social justice kool-aid.
This is like arguing that all children should be raised on Christian principles so the next generation don't grow up to be immoral, godless heathens.
It's absurd. Indoctrination in any form is wrong. Freedom of thought is what matters. You cannot police thought. Ever. You can explain why equality is beneficial, but you have to allow people to develop egalitarian thoughts on their own.
Do you grasp how nuanced racism and sexism can be? It's not something you can make illegal.
@HorrorFan You cannot avoid indoctrination entirely. Raising children in any culture is a form of indoctrination. Raising children in a sexist environment is indoctrinating them to be sexist. Freedom of thought exists after we have all grown up in our culture and begin to question it. Children do not have the capacity to reason for themselves. You're not as smart as you think you are my friend.
Raising children in the US and most other free western societies are really only guilty of religious indoctrination. Beyond that, child are fostered and encouraged to think for themselves. At least until they get to most colleges and have SJW ideology shoved down their throats.
Raising children in a sexist environment? Oh god. Here we go with the patriarchy conspiracies. THIS ISN'T FUCKING SAUDI ARABIA.
"Freedom of thought exists after we have all grown up in our culture and begin to question it." Which you want to erase by FORCING CHILDREN to believe in cultural marxism like a religion as a means to magically erase the natural tendencies of any species to reject that which is different.
"Children do not have the capacity to reason for themselves." lol, so let's force feed them the SJW way of life. You still haven't explained how your thought process isn't authoritarian in nature.
Sweety if that is the only thing you agree with but you don't agree with me wanting to solve a problem my comunication then i have no idea how you face life in general. I work as an accountant and im surrounded by sexist pigs as well but trust me i keep them under control by talking abs guesd what they understand 😁 all you have to do is talk and resolve things with deplomacy without bashing anyone.
@HorrorFan You wouldn't see it if it slapped you in the face, because you are so stuck in your own bigotry. Enjoy your own delusional sense of superiority, you keyboard warrior.
@raspberry0416 Sure I'm not obligated to, obviously you don't know me and my abilities, but I did change a lot of views that some people had, NOT HERE on G@G, but in real life :) and I come from a very difficult background I had a few difficult issues with MEN in general, but I never hated them or showed disguise, because I am good at giving chances, and I'm good at NOT HATING because that's something that is against my nature, and WITH MY NATURE, i did achieve a lot of knowledge and understanding that COMMUNICATION IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE KEY TO RESOLVE ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE... NO MATTER WHAT :) <3 Thanks and you two should stop fighting @HorrorFan
Sure. Maybe women need to be more confident and talk about what they want how they feel and what they want to achieve in this issue instead of jumping directly to stupid conclusions.
Also, if someone says that a person are inferior just because of gender, the offended person should also hurt the racist person's feelings.
In this website, I have seen as an inferior human-being just because of my nationality but as a result of this, I seriously hurt the feeling of these racist people and we do not talk anymore :) I think the the thing that I have done was not an offence because they deserved it. Right?
Also, for about 3-4 years ago, I had said one of my friends that I almost worship my girlfriend. However, a stranger came and said that I am so stupid because I worship a woman and women are inferior to men. After that, I had been so peeved and I almost attacked him but fortunately I was able to hold myself. Otherwise, it would have been a legal issue for me. I mean it is also important get away from this kind of creatures.
There's social and legal equality. I strongly support legal equality, as such I consider myself a feminist. Men and women do generally have the same rights.
if social equality is bs, then what do you think of men getting longer sentences? or what do you think about the negative stigma of male baby sitters, social workers and teachers? what do you think of men being denied homeless shelters or domestic abuse programs? what do you think about women who are taken advantage of in the military? or what do you think of women in the police force who cannot hold their own yet have a chip on their shoulder because they feel like they can do better than men? Social equality just means stop giving people special treatment.
The only thing there I consider social inequality is the stigma around male teachers and babysitters. Witch there is not a problem with where I am from. My school has more male teachers and no one thinks badly of them. I also know a few male babysitters and all of them have no problem getting work.
Girls should have to complete the same tests as guys to get into the police force, this one actually really annoys me... Same with child laws...
The rest of that it is vary hard to tell if there is an actual problem... If men are committing more serious crimes on average then of course they would get average longer sentences. What I am trying to say is, judges and social workers have their reasons fro what they do and it's vary hard to tell if they are biased or not. It is definitely important that we have none biased people in these positions.
well nuala, I am talking about men committing the same crime and getting longer sentences 80% of the time. One great example. Female statutory rapists and male rapists.
no this is not a fake name my rale name is apple and oranges -_-. you didn't say you agreed with that part buddy you said ''the rest is legal'' there was never a legal reason to give men a longer sentence
and committing more serious crimes on average does not mean give others longer sentences just because they have a penis. That is social. There is no legal reason for it
@applesandoranges22 There is no such thing as the "same crime" yes people break the same law but where when and how can also effect there sentence. Also when people say rob a bank they break several laws, different bank robberys can break different laws. Intent also plays a role, man slater and murder are also different things. Guy runs over someone on purpose and a girl runs over someone by accident they would get different sentences. More importantly the judge has to figure out if they were intending to commit the crime and what laws they did break.
Also if the person is a single parent (let's face it there is more single mom's then dad's) and they commit a more minor crime they can be given a shorter sentence/ smaller fine, so it won't effect the kid as much.
What I am trying to explain is that it isn't a black and white issue. It's hard to tell when it is happening and I don't see any way to regulate it.
Unless you have proof and not "I found this totally legit article online written by the totally legit judge" or even worse lawyer... Or a salution to the problem please stop messaging me. If all you are gonna say is "it's wrong to judge men because of their penis" then gtfo.
you are derailing what I said. I am talking about the same crimes, not different crimes. I know man slaughter is not the same as murder. why are you derailing what I said? They compare the SAME crimes and see that men get the longer sentence. statutory rape against a student for a male would go for a good 20 years, while females can get anywhere from 5-10 to even 3 years and probation. this is under the same circumstance, so please dont try and bring up bank robberies and multiple counts because I never said anything about multiple offenses or different intentions. Now about your single parent comment, if a women commits a crime such as assault, rape, burglary she gets her child taken away from her and the child lives with a RESPONSIBLE adult. If the women tries to fight for her kid when she gets out the court will dismiss her case due to her impulsive behavior. People who are a danger to society do not get their kids back as it will mostly do more damage to have them in their life
there is no excuse for a shorter sentence. If someone murdered someone close to you and got out early because they had a kid you would be fine with that?
and some things are in black and white, while there are some cases that are different there are cases that fall under the same circumstance in the same setting such as a adult teacher having sex with a minor
And the whole Meninist community doesn't get why I don't take them seriously... I've tried to explain my point in countless why's and you still are missing my ACTUAL point... It's just not worth it.
I get your point, but you dismissed the fact of it being more of a social issue than a legal one. you are really trying ANYTHING to deny the fact that men get longer sentences for the same offense by bringing up cases where there are multiple offenses being held or giving examples of bank Robbers. Im not a menist for telling you the truth.
Why am I trying to derail you? You're argument is shit, you don't have any proof and definitely not a solution which is the important part.
Isn't this a social problem? No, it is going on WITHIN the LEGAL system so it is legal, corrupted judges is definitely a legal problem (just for you information, you can be punished for falsely accusing a judge and as I've said about a million times there is no good way to tell as such you'd probably be the one getting in trouble for false accusations or even wasting their time).
Is sex between a minor and a teacher black and white? Hell no! Here's some examples: Did it happen during school hours? How old is the student? Did the student ask for it? Did they stop wanting it part way through and the teacher keep going? Did the teacher stop? Does the teacher teach any of the students classes? Was the student injured? How badly?
Like why do you think it takes so long to go through the legal system? Nothing in court is black and white except for if the judge says guilty or not guilty.
no my argument is bad because you haven't done your own research. I have proof and anyone who is trying to argue against it is just denying facts. I SAID THE SAME CASES and you keep bringing up cases that dont relate to one another as an example. THATS why you are derailing and you really are making no sense. just because it happens in the court doesn't make it legal since there is NO other reason to give people longer sentences for the same crime.
''Is sex between a minor and a teacher black and white? Hell no! Here's some examples: Did it happen during school hours? How old is the student? Did the student ask for it? Did they stop wanting it part way through and the teacher keep going? Did the teacher stop? Does the teacher teach any of the students classes? Was the student injured? How badly? ''
and here is ANOTHER quote of you derailing my point again. I SAID THE SAME CASES MEANING UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCE. I dont know how many times I have to repeat myself before you get that
''A new study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, found that men are given much higher sentences than women convicted of the same crimes in federal court.
The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.
Starr also found that females arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.
Other research has found evidence of the same gender gap, though Starr asserts that the disparity is actually larger than previously suspected because other studies haven’t looked at the role of plea bargains and other pre-sentencing steps in the criminal justice system.
A 2009 study suggested the difference in sentencing might arise because “judges treat women more leniently for practical reasons''
You don't have any evidence, at least that you are willing to share. YOU DON'T HAVE A SALUTATION. You are completely ignoring what I am trying to say, no two crimes are the same. Also I've said several times that I do see the same problem it's just nearly impossible to prove as such you can't do shit about it.
I was trying to agree with you but you are being such an argumentative moron that it's making it hard.
no you are not reading, which makes it harder fro everyone. There are cases that are the same and happen for the same reason and same circumstance. Thats when you are presented a case there are already suspected reasons for someone doing these crimes. Every case isn't brand new, there are only so many possibilities. you however, think that every single case is different and there is no commonality. I just posted evidence. NOTE, when I say the SAME CRIME I mean when someone is charged with the same offenses. When two people are charged with the same offense, the same time should be given. There is already proof that this isn't the case
and you tried bringing up the multiple offenses and different crimes being charged with other intentions which is a obvious derailment of what I was implying
Okay, good job. You managed to produce evedance, now you need a proposal. That is if you weren't just some angry dude only and were trying to solve the problem instead of just arguing with someone who was initially agreeing with you.
I agree there's a problem, I think you are a moron who couldn't make a half decent argument of his life depended on it... But there is a problem. If I heard about the problem from you I'd assume there isn't a problem.
I was trying to explain something and it just dragged on. Look, when someone is charged with the same offense, thats all they can be charged with no matter the time of place. you brought up examples by comparing multiple offenses and different intentions. I was talking about the same counts that they were being charged with. The same counts get higher sentences depending on sex and ethnicity. This is already known, and asking for evidence for that when its all around you is pointless. men get longer sentences for the SAME crimes. THis is what I was saying.
why are you talking to yourself? also maybe to you that makes you weak but it doesn't really effect a lot of people. Women are the same way when they see a man sexualized its just that some who try and act self righteous are really hypocrites
@FallOutBoy2001 he can keep it in his pants unless he has some kind of problem going on mentally, its just that guys are taught if you dont like any or every female then something about you is off.
@FallOutBoy2001 Both of you are wrong. All it takes is the right woman. Along with the esoteric the average man won't stand a chance. The average woman uses her sexuality for "power moves" in order to get what she wants. She has observed that it works. For men to be unaware of this is lack of wisdom. Some guys have more resistance than others when it comes to sexual temptation. But all it takes is one indiscretion. Increasing infidelity is inevitable. It seems to me that men an and women fail to understand there own gender. Walking around in a confused haze - reaching and staggering in the midst darkness searching for footing. Statistics back me up. With the continual increase of infidelity marriage will eventually be a thing of the past. To a degree "it's already too late". With the advent of modern technology which allows women to be in direct competition with males in the workplace. Both men and women are now totally independent.
If that's truly the case then there's no "need" for relationships - (The beginning of the end of the family unit as we know it). Most women have a weakness as well. They enjoy finances and resources. So we'll become a new thing. A new creature. Together. -No more "man / woman" but a new creature - "trick / prostitute". If that's how they want it then so be it.
@applesandoranges22 "Men" (not manginas) know what I'm talking about. But we can show you better than we can tell you - So disregard. Just keep your eyes fixed on society "clueless one". You'll see soon enough.
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I actually grew with your Take whole-heartedly. Nicely done.
And please don't hate on me this time for giving a compliment. It is sincere.
And that was supposed to say "agree" not "grew."
Feminism is cancer
Thabk you sweetheart. I never hated you. Im bad at hating. Hug?
@natured Hug back at ya' 😉.
Why do I see so much fake hypocrisy amongst you.
@Mysterioustruth ? who
Amongst both of you. I guess women are like that with eachother anyway.
@Mysterioustruth l, it is called being adult enough to get past something and still being able to acknowledge the good in someone. Women definitely are able to do that and I am really glad 😉
Rather not than being fake!
The real problem is saying feminism is equality. It isn't at all and is all about female superiority. Im all for equality but we need to accept biologically, men will always be dominant. Its in our nature and we can't go against that but feminism challenges that creating a modern woman who is so undesirable.
lol how convenient for you.
@Analinda1999 (I found a feminist)
You could have perfectly embodied the difference between the two by describing a Rome Derby between Lazio and Roma. Or you are from the North, so Juve' versus Torino :)
In a word, HYSTERIA
Feminism/Anti Feminism is the same- Hysteria
Too many 'strunza bambino' wrecking the potential good of Feminism with their hysterical antics
Uhmmmm ok grazie 🤔
I am a proud Feminist, defining it as Women having similar freedoms and equality as men and embracing it.
But, its meaning has been so distorted by hysteria, a bit like a game of Chinese whispers
People who are feminists are an abomination. I'll explain why. 1. Any group that have more than one definitions is a joke. 2. Feminism has served it's purpose to the point where women are at an advantage compared to men. Feminist ar the lowest pieces of skum there is in the world.
Whose the hot guy though? :)
Am I objectifying him? lol
There really are some unfair double standards like this one:
If a guy sleeps with a ton of women, gets laid all the time & will sleep with any woman he's called a stud and a player.
If a woman sleeps with a bunch of guys, gets laid all the time & will sleep with any man she's called your mom.
I believe in Equity not so much Equility.
Will have to agree with you on most things. I see myself as having a dominant personality yet I am not a feminist. I don't need feminism to make me feel powerful, because I already am!
The only thing I agree with you about is not bashing all men. Yes we know that not all men are part of the problem.
But the rest of it seems like you are not seeing the problem or you're trying to make the problem go away. Feminism doesn't insult women, it gives them a context to understand where their problems are coming from. I don't know what sort of job you work at but it's hard for me to believe that you don't see sexism in your work place.
The only battle feminism is capable of fighting is the legal one and it already has and it won on that front. Women have all the legal rights that men do.
You can't stop people from thinking or acting sexist, racist, etc. That is thought policing and is overly authoritarian in nature and would never fly in the west.
@HorrorFan
"You can't stop people from thinking or acting sexist, racist, etc."
Yes you can. By raising awareness of these issues and educating the next generation so they don't grow up to become sexist and racist. Laws are meaningless if people don't follow them. It's worse if even the law enforcers (like police) don't believe in them.
No. You fucking can't. Stop drinking the social justice kool-aid.
This is like arguing that all children should be raised on Christian principles so the next generation don't grow up to be immoral, godless heathens.
It's absurd. Indoctrination in any form is wrong. Freedom of thought is what matters. You cannot police thought. Ever. You can explain why equality is beneficial, but you have to allow people to develop egalitarian thoughts on their own.
Do you grasp how nuanced racism and sexism can be? It's not something you can make illegal.
@HorrorFan
You cannot avoid indoctrination entirely. Raising children in any culture is a form of indoctrination. Raising children in a sexist environment is indoctrinating them to be sexist. Freedom of thought exists after we have all grown up in our culture and begin to question it. Children do not have the capacity to reason for themselves.
You're not as smart as you think you are my friend.
Raising children in the US and most other free western societies are really only guilty of religious indoctrination. Beyond that, child are fostered and encouraged to think for themselves. At least until they get to most colleges and have SJW ideology shoved down their throats.
Raising children in a sexist environment? Oh god. Here we go with the patriarchy conspiracies. THIS ISN'T FUCKING SAUDI ARABIA.
"Freedom of thought exists after we have all grown up in our culture and begin to question it." Which you want to erase by FORCING CHILDREN to believe in cultural marxism like a religion as a means to magically erase the natural tendencies of any species to reject that which is different.
"Children do not have the capacity to reason for themselves." lol, so let's force feed them the SJW way of life. You still haven't explained how your thought process isn't authoritarian in nature.
I am smarter than you. That I can say for sure.
Sweety if that is the only thing you agree with but you don't agree with me wanting to solve a problem my comunication then i have no idea how you face life in general. I work as an accountant and im surrounded by sexist pigs as well but trust me i keep them under control by talking abs guesd what they understand 😁 all you have to do is talk and resolve things with deplomacy without bashing anyone.
@HorrorFan
I literally snickered. Do you really think you're smarter than I am? Right ok.
@natured
I don't think you will solve the problem by trying to placate people. Which is ok. You are not obligated to.
Not only snickered, but literally snickered? This girl means business, folks.
I very much do think I am smarter than you, yes. I've yet to read anything coming out of an SJW's brain that constituted intelligence.
Nice thumb downs, by the way.
@HorrorFan
You wouldn't see it if it slapped you in the face, because you are so stuck in your own bigotry. Enjoy your own delusional sense of superiority, you keyboard warrior.
@raspberry0416 Sure I'm not obligated to, obviously you don't know me and my abilities, but I did change a lot of views that some people had, NOT HERE on G@G, but in real life :) and I come from a very difficult background I had a few difficult issues with MEN in general, but I never hated them or showed disguise, because I am good at giving chances, and I'm good at NOT HATING because that's something that is against my nature, and WITH MY NATURE, i did achieve a lot of knowledge and understanding that COMMUNICATION IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE KEY TO RESOLVE ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE... NO MATTER WHAT :)
<3 Thanks and you two should stop fighting @HorrorFan
I think self confidence of women play the key role here.
Sure. Maybe women need to be more confident and talk about what they want how they feel and what they want to achieve in this issue instead of jumping directly to stupid conclusions.
Also, if someone says that a person are inferior just because of gender, the offended person should also hurt the racist person's feelings.
In this website, I have seen as an inferior human-being just because of my nationality but as a result of this, I seriously hurt the feeling of these racist people and we do not talk anymore :)
I think the the thing that I have done was not an offence because they deserved it. Right?
Also, if someone says that a person are inferior just because of gender, the offended person should also hurt the sexist person's feelings.
I am so sorry. I would say sexist. Not racist. My bad.
Also, for about 3-4 years ago, I had said one of my friends that I almost worship my girlfriend. However, a stranger came and said that I am so stupid because I worship a woman and women are inferior to men. After that, I had been so peeved and I almost attacked him but fortunately I was able to hold myself. Otherwise, it would have been a legal issue for me. I mean it is also important get away from this kind of creatures.
Women game is strong. Men work longer hours than women yet women control 70% of global wealth.
Gender makes people no more or less human. Treat every individual like a fellow human being, and there's no need for debate. It's so simple.
There's social and legal equality.
I strongly support legal equality, as such I consider myself a feminist. Men and women do generally have the same rights.
Social equality is complete BS.
if social equality is bs, then what do you think of men getting longer sentences? or what do you think about the negative stigma of male baby sitters, social workers and teachers? what do you think of men being denied homeless shelters or domestic abuse programs? what do you think about women who are taken advantage of in the military? or what do you think of women in the police force who cannot hold their own yet have a chip on their shoulder because they feel like they can do better than men? Social equality just means stop giving people special treatment.
@applesandoranges22
The only thing there I consider social inequality is the stigma around male teachers and babysitters. Witch there is not a problem with where I am from. My school has more male teachers and no one thinks badly of them. I also know a few male babysitters and all of them have no problem getting work.
The rest of that is legal.
@applesandoranges22
Girls should have to complete the same tests as guys to get into the police force, this one actually really annoys me... Same with child laws...
The rest of that it is vary hard to tell if there is an actual problem... If men are committing more serious crimes on average then of course they would get average longer sentences.
What I am trying to say is, judges and social workers have their reasons fro what they do and it's vary hard to tell if they are biased or not.
It is definitely important that we have none biased people in these positions.
well nuala, I am talking about men committing the same crime and getting longer sentences 80% of the time. One great example. Female statutory rapists and male rapists.
Well person who I am assuming is using a fake name. If you read what I said I am agreeing with you.
But there isn't a good way to deal with the issue.
no this is not a fake name my rale name is apple and oranges -_-. you didn't say you agreed with that part buddy you said ''the rest is legal'' there was never a legal reason to give men a longer sentence
@applesandoranges22
Read the second comment I posted.
ok..
.'' If men are committing more serious crimes on average then of course they would get average longer sentences.''
I said the SAME crimes. this is not addressing what I said
and committing more serious crimes on average does not mean give others longer sentences just because they have a penis. That is social. There is no legal reason for it
@applesandoranges22
Did you read the whole thing?
yes lol
@applesandoranges22
There is no such thing as the "same crime" yes people break the same law but where when and how can also effect there sentence. Also when people say rob a bank they break several laws, different bank robberys can break different laws.
Intent also plays a role, man slater and murder are also different things. Guy runs over someone on purpose and a girl runs over someone by accident they would get different sentences. More importantly the judge has to figure out if they were intending to commit the crime and what laws they did break.
Also if the person is a single parent (let's face it there is more single mom's then dad's) and they commit a more minor crime they can be given a shorter sentence/ smaller fine, so it won't effect the kid as much.
What I am trying to explain is that it isn't a black and white issue. It's hard to tell when it is happening and I don't see any way to regulate it.
Unless you have proof and not "I found this totally legit article online written by the totally legit judge" or even worse lawyer... Or a salution to the problem please stop messaging me.
If all you are gonna say is "it's wrong to judge men because of their penis" then gtfo.
you are derailing what I said. I am talking about the same crimes, not different crimes. I know man slaughter is not the same as murder. why are you derailing what I said? They compare the SAME crimes and see that men get the longer sentence. statutory rape against a student for a male would go for a good 20 years, while females can get anywhere from 5-10 to even 3 years and probation. this is under the same circumstance, so please dont try and bring up bank robberies and multiple counts because I never said anything about multiple offenses or different intentions. Now about your single parent comment, if a women commits a crime such as assault, rape, burglary she gets her child taken away from her and the child lives with a RESPONSIBLE adult. If the women tries to fight for her kid when she gets out the court will dismiss her case due to her impulsive behavior. People who are a danger to society do not get their kids back as it will mostly do more damage to have them in their life
there is no excuse for a shorter sentence. If someone murdered someone close to you and got out early because they had a kid you would be fine with that?
and some things are in black and white, while there are some cases that are different there are cases that fall under the same circumstance in the same setting such as a adult teacher having sex with a minor
@applesandoranges22
And the whole Meninist community doesn't get why I don't take them seriously... I've tried to explain my point in countless why's and you still are missing my ACTUAL point... It's just not worth it.
I get your point, but you dismissed the fact of it being more of a social issue than a legal one. you are really trying ANYTHING to deny the fact that men get longer sentences for the same offense by bringing up cases where there are multiple offenses being held or giving examples of bank Robbers. Im not a menist for telling you the truth.
@applesandoranges22
One last post
Why am I trying to derail you?
You're argument is shit, you don't have any proof and definitely not a solution which is the important part.
Isn't this a social problem?
No, it is going on WITHIN the LEGAL system so it is legal, corrupted judges is definitely a legal problem (just for you information, you can be punished for falsely accusing a judge and as I've said about a million times there is no good way to tell as such you'd probably be the one getting in trouble for false accusations or even wasting their time).
Is sex between a minor and a teacher black and white?
Hell no! Here's some examples: Did it happen during school hours? How old is the student? Did the student ask for it? Did they stop wanting it part way through and the teacher keep going? Did the teacher stop? Does the teacher teach any of the students classes? Was the student injured? How badly?
Like why do you think it takes so long to go through the legal system? Nothing in court is black and white except for if the judge says guilty or not guilty.
no my argument is bad because you haven't done your own research. I have proof and anyone who is trying to argue against it is just denying facts. I SAID THE SAME CASES and you keep bringing up cases that dont relate to one another as an example. THATS why you are derailing and you really are making no sense. just because it happens in the court doesn't make it legal since there is NO other reason to give people longer sentences for the same crime.
''Is sex between a minor and a teacher black and white?
Hell no! Here's some examples: Did it happen during school hours? How old is the student? Did the student ask for it? Did they stop wanting it part way through and the teacher keep going? Did the teacher stop? Does the teacher teach any of the students classes? Was the student injured? How badly? ''
and here is ANOTHER quote of you derailing my point again. I SAID THE SAME CASES MEANING UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCE. I dont know how many times I have to repeat myself before you get that
''A new study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, found that men are given much higher sentences than women convicted of the same crimes in federal court.
The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.
Starr also found that females arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.
Other research has found evidence of the same gender gap, though Starr asserts that the disparity is actually larger than previously suspected because other studies haven’t looked at the role of plea bargains and other pre-sentencing steps in the criminal justice system.
A 2009 study suggested the difference in sentencing might arise because “judges treat women more leniently for practical reasons''
@applesandoranges22
You don't have any evidence, at least that you are willing to share. YOU DON'T HAVE A SALUTATION. You are completely ignoring what I am trying to say, no two crimes are the same.
Also I've said several times that I do see the same problem it's just nearly impossible to prove as such you can't do shit about it.
I was trying to agree with you but you are being such an argumentative moron that it's making it hard.
no you are not reading, which makes it harder fro everyone. There are cases that are the same and happen for the same reason and same circumstance. Thats when you are presented a case there are already suspected reasons for someone doing these crimes. Every case isn't brand new, there are only so many possibilities. you however, think that every single case is different and there is no commonality. I just posted evidence. NOTE, when I say the SAME CRIME I mean when someone is charged with the same offenses. When two people are charged with the same offense, the same time should be given. There is already proof that this isn't the case
and you tried bringing up the multiple offenses and different crimes being charged with other intentions which is a obvious derailment of what I was implying
Okay, good job. You managed to produce evedance, now you need a proposal. That is if you weren't just some angry dude only and were trying to solve the problem instead of just arguing with someone who was initially agreeing with you.
@applesandoranges22
I agree there's a problem, I think you are a moron who couldn't make a half decent argument of his life depended on it... But there is a problem.
If I heard about the problem from you I'd assume there isn't a problem.
I was trying to explain something and it just dragged on. Look, when someone is charged with the same offense, thats all they can be charged with no matter the time of place. you brought up examples by comparing multiple offenses and different intentions. I was talking about the same counts that they were being charged with. The same counts get higher sentences depending on sex and ethnicity. This is already known, and asking for evidence for that when its all around you is pointless. men get longer sentences for the SAME crimes. THis is what I was saying.
ok sure im a moron, and I may fluently present arguments but I know what I am talking about
@applesandoranges22
You're missing the point man... That's why you'll never solve the problem.
You know what you're talking about but you express it terribly.
lol.
I know but I have always had this problem. I can never get out what I have to say correctly.
I don't know feel like what Im trying to say comes out correctly but nobody really understands what I am saying half of the time
@applesandoranges22
For you information it seems to be a two way street.
what do you mean by that?
@applesandoranges22
You do not understand nor are you understood.
I dont understand that im not understood?
I understand the information That I am trying to tell you and I understand why it is wrong, I do not fluently express my stance
what I mean by wrong is morally wrong. im talking about the court thing
Feminists are morons (right along with the liberals). A Day Without Women is just the latest example.
This seems self evident.
I guess war is coming.
I'm ready media.giphy.com/media/NZYSKdkSkqsKY/giphy.gif
You are hilarious maam :)
@natured
Interesting mytake as always.😎☺😉😀
i dont like feminsim, period.
Main issue I have with feminism is not recognizing the average males weakness to "female sexuality".
Being allowed to flaunt her sexuality takes advantage of the average male's vulnerability.
Most feminist refuse to acknowledge this.
why are you talking to yourself? also maybe to you that makes you weak but it doesn't really effect a lot of people. Women are the same way when they see a man sexualized its just that some who try and act self righteous are really hypocrites
So you're blaming us for not being able to keep it on your pants? Nice
@FallOutBoy2001 he can keep it in his pants unless he has some kind of problem going on mentally, its just that guys are taught if you dont like any or every female then something about you is off.
@FallOutBoy2001 Both of you are wrong. All it takes is the right woman. Along with the esoteric the average man won't stand a chance. The average woman uses her sexuality for "power moves" in order to get what she wants. She has observed that it works. For men to be unaware of this is lack of wisdom. Some guys have more resistance than others when it comes to sexual temptation. But all it takes is one indiscretion. Increasing infidelity is inevitable. It seems to me that men an and women fail to understand there own gender. Walking around in a confused haze - reaching and staggering in the midst darkness searching for footing. Statistics back me up. With the continual increase of infidelity marriage will eventually be a thing of the past. To a degree "it's already too late". With the advent of modern technology which allows women to be in direct competition with males in the workplace. Both men and women are now totally independent.
If that's truly the case then there's no "need" for relationships - (The beginning of the end of the family unit as we know it). Most women have a weakness as well. They enjoy finances and resources. So we'll become a new thing. A new creature. Together. -No more "man / woman" but a new creature - "trick / prostitute". If that's how they want it then so be it.
But hey don't take my word for it. Look at the statistics instead. Take a glance at society while you're at it.
What?
Really?
Ok...
@natured ''what?'' is the only possible response to give this man. No one knows what he is talking about, not even himself
@applesandoranges22 "Men" (not manginas) know what I'm talking about. But we can show you better than we can tell you - So disregard. Just keep your eyes fixed on society "clueless one". You'll see soon enough.
dude get some help something is seriously wrong with you
@applesandoranges22 Aww my feelings are hurt now ):
Just "keep watch" mangina.
Statistics back me up.
whatever you say crazy man
but really it won't hurt to get your head checked out you are really off your chair
@applesandoranges22 That's right crazy "wo"man wanna be.
oooookay...
@applesandoranges22 Sure I'll take "your" word for it. What you say means a lot to me.
dude seriously get some help. something is really wrong with you
@applesandoranges22 Is said "ok" male jizz bucket. Sheesh.
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Can you all stop ...
i dont like that gif
@applesandoranges22 I made my point. Just look at the stats. But whenever I'm addressed "I will speak up."
Sorry @applesandoranges22. I wasn't trying to address you on that one.
I made my point. Just look at the stats. But whenever I'm addressed "I will speak up."
I LOVED this Take! I completely agree!
Nice Mytake I agree with you Well done @natured
I see verbal abuse on the horizon