Racism... Against Whites?

[PinkPandaBear180]

What? No! That title has to be a mistake. White people have it made in the Unites States. We're (I'm white) the majority in the United States. Look, I don't mean to offend anyone, but our growing efforts to eliminate racism are being counter productive. It is becoming less and less acceptable to be white. Don't believe me? You think I'm some racist pig? Doesn't surprise me, but I encourage you to hear me out.

1. Whites aren't allowed to share their Opinion on Certain Issues

I'm gonna do it. Consider this your warning...

Now before I get thrown to the lions let me explain. I get it. Black lives seem to be under attack by police officers. The Washington Post says that "As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race)" (Wesley Lowery). If you read the article, it goes on to try to justify the Black Lives Matter movement by saying that because whites are a majority, it makes them more likely to be shot. I admit this sorta, maybe makes sense... until you realize that regardless of how many people of a certain race are in the country, if the police were going to shoot black people because they're black, there would most certainly be more African Americans killed by police each year. Unless these BLM people just think the only reason the numbers don't is because police have less opportunities to shoot black people? Did you ever think that maybe police shoot who actually need to be shot? Maybe they aren't out to shoot every black person they see? Nah that can't be it. Of course there are some instances where policemen over react, but that happens in every line of work... it just usually doesn't come with the cost of a human life. Oh, and a side note: The reason most black people in the video find the "All lives matter" sign offensive is because the All lives matter movement takes the focus off of them.

2. Opportunities for Whites are Diminishing

If you haven't already scrolled to the comments section to leave a hateful message, I again encourage you to hear me out. Many opportunities, ranging from college scholarships to internships, are closing quickly for white people. I know it sounds like bullshit, But this comes from my own personal experience. I recently looked into getting an internship at a scientific research center for the summer. It basically said under "qualifications" that if you're not a minority, you need not apply. (Of course it said it in a nicer, more professional way.) If this isn't racism, what is? If not... I must have a warped definition of racism. Also what about paying for college? This website explains the whole concept of minority scholarships in great detail. Providing minorities with more money to pay for college is great, but where does it leave aspiring scientists, writers, politicians, philosophers, etc. that aren't a minority? Oh and this... not really related to scholarships but is just wrong on so many levels.

3. White People can't fight the System

This relates to point one of my post. We (whites) cannot voice our concerns about the way the system puts us at a disadvantage. I guarantee that at least 60-90% of the comments below are hate. Hate, hate, hate. Let me make something clear: I am NOT a racist. I am not a PIG for my beliefs. I'm just a young person who is trying to figure out a world that seems to be growing ever more against me. If I was black, this myTake wouldn't be huge, in fact many of you might agree and realize that something odd is happening in the world. But... I'm white and I can't change that.

[madhatters4]

sounds like a real victim mentality.
i don't understand what #1 has to do with racism against whites. seems like just a non-sequitur rant against issues of police violence

yes white people face issues but it's not racism as you put it, it's discrimination. so you know what needs to happen white people enmasse similar to what other disenfrachised groups have done need to rally together towards a common cause. that common cause shouldn't be pointing at black people but pointing at a system that discriminates.

the problem i too often hear from white people regarding discrimination against white people is that they point at issues black people deal with or have dealt with and then try to twist the conversation around. that's pointless. the issues white people face are their issues and so they should sound off on and create comprehensive ideas on how to address those issues rather than simply saying "black people have this... we want this" because the counter argument will always be. ok if you want this right or privilege black people have are you willing to take on all the other burdens black people deal with OR cede some of your privileges of being a white person.

i imagine that answer is a big No. So with that in mind white discrimination exists for sure but trying to compare your plight to that of black people or other minority groups is almost always a losing battle so just focus on the issues that face white people rather than trying to compare plights

[PinkPandaBear180]

correct me if i'm wrong, but I was always taught that if a person is "discriminated" against because of their race, it IS racism.

[madhatters4]

there can be a difference between racism and racial discrimination that doesn't necessarily make it racism... per se. it often is racism but is not necessarily.

[PinkPandaBear180]

"There can be a difference between racism and racial discrimination..." ummm no there isn't a difference... There are quite literally, by the VERY definition the same thing.

[madhatters4]

they are not. racism means to think that a group is inferior or superior OR have possess a certain characteristic trait due to their race based on one's opinion.

discrimination means prejudicial treatment.

a doctor would be using racial discrimination in assuming that a black man is more likely to get diabetes... that isn't racism though.

[PinkPandaBear180]

That is the biggest load of sh*t I have ever heard. I applaud you for the idiocy.

[madhatters4]

ah the insults. the first sign of someone who no longer has a substantial argument. thanks for your time

[PinkPandaBear180]

Nope, it's just the fact that I no longer want to waste my time with someone that chooses to ignore problems because he doesn't like that they exist.

[madhatters4]

haha. what fucking problem am i ignoring? tell me
all i suggested is that all discrimination isn't racism. that's it

[Anonymous]

Black lives matter is a fucking terrorist group Bunch of social justice warriors milking slavory. Do they know that blacks owned blacks as slaves first? Don't blame me for something that happened years ago just because I look white. You don't know me. I'm actually inuit and my grandma was in the residential schools beaten and raped. I don't go around hating all white people thinking they owe me something.

[Turkish_Delight]

Blacks were under enslavement and colonialism over 500 years with over 100 million victims and you are against BLM? Please go on, I'm fascinated.

[Vanjasper]

@Turkish_Delight Before a Black slave ever set foot in the Americas, Irish men, women and children were being shipped there as slaves. And put up with much harsher treatment than any Black slave ever did. The first Black slaves arrived in the Americas in 1670, the first Irish slaves in 1625. By 1670 the population of native Irish people living in Ireland was just over 500,000 people. The population of native Irish before 1625 was 1.5 million. In the 45 years before Black slaves arrived, Ireland had lost two thirds of its population to slavery. What you claim is not factual. Slavery was a curse on humanity Black or White. Maybe you should also do some research on the Barbary Pirates who took white slaves from all over costal Europe.

[Turkish_Delight]

@Vanjasper Except Ethiopia there were no independent country in Africa during the colonization of Europe. They invaded all over Africa and killed millions of innocent people.

[Turkish_Delight]

Here is a map of colonial Africa.
mycontinent.co/.../ColonisationAfrica.png

[Vanjasper]

@Turkish_Delight With respect, what has that got do do with my point that contrary to what you stated, Blacks were not the first slaves shipped to the Americas?

[Turkish_Delight]

@Vanjasper What I really wanted to mean is, white people have no right to be against BLM movement.

[Vanjasper]

@Turkish_Delight maybe no right, but every right to be suspicious of the movement. It seems to have been taken over by a radical group who see no virtue in anyone else's rights where racism and discrimation of any kind, including reverse racism, effects their lives.

[Vanjasper]

@Turkish_Delight With regard to your map. many countries in the world have been colonised. America itself was colonised, as was Canada, as was every country on the American Continent. Ireland was colonised, as was ahuge part of Europe by the Ottomans. Not one ot these colonisations was in anyway beign. In fact the Ottomans indulged in unspeakable cruelty.

[Turkish_Delight]

@Vanjasper The things Ottomans did were nothing compared to what Western colonialists did. I'm not blaming today's people. Have you ever heard of the Native American Genocide? The Aztecs/Inka Genocides? Persecution of Ottoman Muslims held by Europeans? French invasions of Morocco Algeria and Tunisia?

[Turkish_Delight]

Ottomans treated minorities very well. Even Greek leader Loukas Notaras said: "I'd rather see a Turkish Turban rather than a Latin Hat." No country where conquered by Ottomans speak Ottoman languages. But lands invaded by Europeans? Everybody speaks European languages over there.

[Vanjasper]

@Turkish_Delight Excuse my harping on the Ottomans, i should have taken into account you're Turkish. I live in Bulgaria, i'd drive to Istanbul in a couple of hours. But i have to say, the Bulgarians i live and work with, do not hold the Ottomans, or Erdogan in high regard. Turkish people that i've met have been friendly, welcoming, and good fun.

[Vanjasper]

@Turkish_Delight The French invasion of Nth Africa was a direct result of the actions of Barbary Pirates that had gone on for centuries. I'm Irish, and i speak English. This is because of the draconian Penal Laws imposed by the British.

[Turkish_Delight]

@Vanjasper Well, about Erdogan, he is a very bad politician. He ruined our diplomacy. And some Europeans were racist against me and called me "Mongol barbarian" Some of them were very friendly and nice I should admit. My best friend is European. I just remind Europeans that none of our past is blood free. People aren't responsible for their barbaric pasts unless they are proud of it.

[Turkish_Delight]

@Vanjasper If you are Irish I don't have anything to say. Irish people were opressed by the Brits and they didn't exploit other countries. Irish people I met were very friendly, one of them changed my life.

[Vanjasper]

@Turkish_Delight Sadly there's arseholes all over the place, but thank God, they are outnumbered by good genuine human beings. You're correct about few countries having no blood on their hands.
But on a positive note, we found some common ground, and from where we started that's something good.

[Vanjasper]

@Turkish_Delight I'm Dublin born and bred. How i've ended up in Bulgaria is a huge romantic adventure!!!

[Turkish_Delight]

@Vanjasper People from any nation can be assholes. There are many Turks who are brainwashed by Erdoğan and hate every nation which pisses him off. But I don't really like it when Europeans tease me like "Mongol savage" or pro-Erdoğanist Turks who call Europeans as Nazi remnants. Both of these behaviours are unacceptable and degenerate.

[Turkish_Delight]

@Vanjasper I was born in New York but I'm Turkish. And I want to visit Dublin to see my friend (who changed my life) one day.

[Vanjasper]

@Turkish_Delight Dublin is ok, but it's very expensive. Don't expect good weather!! Lots to see and do there. A visit to the Guinness factory is a must!!

[jgarsenstein]

Just wow!!! The depth of racism - despite the fact that race is truly a social construct and we are all the same animal, human beings - is chilling. To compare the situation of white people to the plight of people of color in this country is patently absurd and the very definition of racism. Not only do we (I am white) have an advantage every single solitary day of our lives based on our skin color, we have had generations of opportunities denied to our brothers and sisters of color. And you're complaining? Demographically, white people will be the minority in this country very soon (I've read studies that estimate this could happen as soon as 2020 - more likely by 2030 but the brown wave is coming and there's nothing that's going to change that) and I personally am thrilled. It's pretty clear under almost exclusively white leadership that we have ruined this country. You can sit around any whine and cry about the browning of Amerikkka or you can get on the right side of history. Your choice.

[Phantomium]

I don't know what the hell is going on out there but you people are tearing your own country apart over complete bullshit. I mean the news coming from the US are... surreal! Like everyone lost their mind and are running around like headless chickens. WTF?

[Anonymous]

Whites are simply not experiencing racism and discrimination in a way that oppresses us for simply being white. It wouldn't be ok if we were. We just aren't. We simply have not ever experienced, on the whole, what people of color experience as racism. So we need the shut the fuck up.

Your take is the mindset of whiny pissbaby racists who want to find a way to discredit every possible social justice movement because it threatens their privilege.

If you think there is truth to any of this nonsense, I truly feel sorry for you. It really sucks to never be able to analyze facts in the world. It makes you very vulnerable to charlatans with idiot ideas like this.

God bless you. I hope you get help.

[PinkPandaBear180]

Maybe so, But I truly pity you for 1. being anonymous and scared to share your opinion... and 2. for hating on me for sharing mine.

[daitrombe]

Racist for saying that there should be equal opportunity as opposed to just being given equality as a member of a different race? Do you even know what you're saying?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Another self hating white female.

[Anonymous]

I'm not white and I agree with this 100%.
People love playing the race and gender card now to get advantages in life. But always remember, the strong will always survive and if you need handouts , you're not very strong and you'll lose later on in life.

So dude, keep working hard and focus on yourself and you'll make it. Good luck in your future 😊

[catthighs]

no pun intended, but it's not so black and white.
try to put yourself in someone of another race's shoes. it's hard, i know. imagine feeling the way you feel now (attacked, less opportunity, world against you) your whole life. that's how a lot of people who aren't white feel. because racism is definitely still alive.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Okay but he just showed that all of those things you said are happening to minorities and not whites are in fact happening to whites not minorities? The fact is whites are more likely to be poor compared to any other group. The top highest earning groups in America are indian, fillipino, Taiwanese, Australian americans, and Israeli americans. That's not a lot of white people in a country that is 63% white. Laws favor minorities in quotas, grants and scholarships all of which exclude whites. We have black student councils, in fact we have student councils for every single group that exists in America except for white men. In fact when one was proposed they where accused of being racist and then claimed that whites where already represented and therefore should not be represented. So, what your saying may be true that they feel like their is racism against them but that is not something that is objectively true. I mean your claiming racism is still alive, well sure on an individual level

[hellionthesagereborn]

for minorities but its now on a systemic level for whites. We had a black president, twice. I mean at which point will we finally say that racism is not a problem for blacks and minorities? I mean we have laws and programs that strictly benefit them, we have had black musicians being some of the most famous, we have had a black president elected twice and your going to argue that racism against blacks and minorities is common? That's kind of an absurd statement given the facts don't you think?

[Starrk]

@hellionthesagereborn

Your post reeks of ignorance. Electing a black President and having famous black people doesn't mean racism against blacks is non-existence. There were famous black musicians during the 1930s and 1940s as when segregation and discrimination was still a thing. Racism doesn't stop just because gain money and fame.

Whites are more likely to be poor due to them being the numerically majority but when you look at the percentages, minorities like Black and Hispanics are overrepresented in poverty. And when you strip away the population disparity between the groups, blacks and Hispanics are more likely to be poor compared to whites.

Racial quotas don't benefit minorities. If anything it's hurts them, but that's for another discussion. As for scholarships, you do realize that white people are the recipients of over 85% of the scholarships offered. So what exactly would be the point of offering white only scholarships (which do exist by the way at HBCU).

[pinkesweet]

You're using logic and reasoning on GAG! Isn't that illegal?

[PinkPandaBear180]

@pinkesweet haha wow

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk Ignorance? Interesting. How so? How is a black man getting the majority popular vote for the most powerful position in our government twice a sign that most people are racist? Hmm? How do you reconcile that because that regardless of how you try and break it down still requires the majority of whites to vote for him. See here is how it works, 17% of the population is Hispanic, 13% of the population is black and 7% other. That's only 37% of the population. Even pretending that every single one of these groups voted for Obama, that still requires primarily white votes. For instance only 189834700 people voted for his first election, now ignoring the fact that only about 40% of Hispanics voted and that even less then that for all other groups except blacks (the only president to get a voter turn out in the black community that exceeded whites (by a small margin)) he still got 65,915,795 votes. That means that half of that is white votes (significantly more if you consider turnout)

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk As for segregation, yes segregation was a thing, it was created by democrats they pushed for it. I point that out for several reasons (one being that as they created segregation in the past they now create it in the present (the irony)) one being that at every turn republicans tried to bar it. To put it plainly as possible, not all white people where for segregation, their was a reason why the KKK killed blacks AND white republicans, because many people where against it. You also missed the context, black man in the highest office in the government, black culture black music black musicians, laws that only benefit you if your black or a minority. All of these taken together show that their is no systemic racism (against minorities). The fact that The top earners in our country are all minorities, that Nigerian americans make more then French americans and dutch americans, and in fact do far far better then native blacks shows that this is not racism (towards blacks/minorities).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk As for poverty, no, its not over represented because your ignoring the primary factors of poverty, again if it was an issue of race then Nigerian and ghanian americans wouldn't be above average income earners in America now would they? Indians wouldn't be the highest earners in America would they? The numbers don't match the world your trying to create. This is fact. The reason why you see native blacks earning less is simply because they are less likely to have an intact home. Single parent (mother) households are far more likely to be poor for starters (one income after all) and without the presence of a father children in these homes are far more likely to get into drugs, develop depression and get into trouble with the law (80% of all convicts come from single mother homes. 53% of all murderes commited are by blacks). In fact they where actually doing better in the era of segregation then they are now being more likely to graduate from school and to be employed.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk Racial quotas don't benefit minorities? In what way? If you said its giving them an unfair advantage that then follows them where ever they go making others believe they haven't earned what they have worked for then yes I would agree that's why we need to get rid of them, but if your suggesting that it doesn't give them an unfair advantage in getting into universities and getting jobs then you are incorrect, in fact when some black men could not get into the fire department in Chicago because they scored to low they simply sued and then after getting a pay out for that where allowed in despite the fact that they did not pass the tests and the test where created by a team of black, Hispanic, white, men and women in order to be the least bias it could possibly be. So we do know it gives them an advantage.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk Now as far as scholarships go, no. Their have been a few scholarships for white males popping up in the past five years or so because of the completely lack of males on college campuses and the fact that almost every single scholarship is direceted either at minorities or women but that's not something that has always existed and in fact is a reaction to the extreme bias society has had towards white males. As for that percentage, do you have a source for it? See I can tell you right now that those scholarships are not for whites that are being used, that's just not the case. What I can tell you is that whites (primarily women as over 60% of college graduates are women) and black women are most likely to go to college but again that is not evidence of discrimination that's evidence of other issues because again, you don't see this problem with other groups like Asians or Israeli americans (even Pakistani americans earn more then most white ethnic groups).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk So again everything you said is incorrect. I am not the one ignorant, you are. Either because you are filled with white guilt and self loathing (ironic given our history and what we have done comparative to other civilizations) or because you are a minority and have been spoon fed this idea that you are weak and helpless and every one is out to get you so you have to be given special privileges just to try and break even (just a modern version of the "white mans burden" as it was called historically). Don't believe me? Here is a smart man on the subject: https://youtu.be/IFqVNPwsLNo
https://youtu.be/-DDrLhWnexE
Or Thomas Sowell: https://youtu.be/g6IJV_0p64s
www.bing.com/.../search

[Starrk]

@hellionthesagereborn Your entire argument is a straw man and I'll explain why. Starting with this quote.

"How is a black man getting the majority popular vote for the most powerful position in our government twice a sign that most people are racist?"

I never said "most people are racist". That's something that you pulled out of thin air just so you can debunk it. What I said was "Electing a black President and having famous black people doesn't mean racism against blacks is non-existence". Which is true. Just because a black man was elected President doesn't mean racism ended the moment he took office. Racism is still an existing problem in America and its not going to magically vanish just because we voted a black man in office.

[Starrk]

@hellionthesagereborn

Your rant on Democrats and segregation is true but reeks of someone with little information on the matter. Anyone who knows anything about policies knows that the Republican and Democrats parties switch during the 1970-1980s. The same Republican Party that had Lincoln, Eisenhower, and Teddy Roosevelt died long time ago after Nixon initiated his Southern Strategy and Reagan started his "Big Tent" campaign. The same people within the Democrats who were promoting segregation (The Dixie Party) left the Democratic party after the passing of the Civil Rights Act and fled to the Republican Party.

www.livescience.com/...rties-switch-platforms.html

[Starrk]

@hellionthesagereborn

Racial quotas hinder minorities in the long run because of the mismatch theory. Some Universities are simply too competitive (ex: Harvard, Yale, and Princeton) and accepting unqualified minorities (or anyone in general) and throwing them into such environment is not doing them no favors in the long run. Matter of fact it actually lead to these people either failing multiple classes or dropping out of school all together. This doesn't mean these unqualified minorities are stupid or anything, because these same minorities would excel greatly in any State University, it's just the environment at many Private Ivy League University is not for everyone.

As for racial quotas in the workforce that isn't backed by any study. Matter of fact, majority of the studies regarding race in the workforce shows that black sounding names are not desired and Asians are less likely of any race to receive a managerial promotion.

[Starrk]

@hellionthesagereborn

As for racial quotas in the workforce which leads to the hiring of unqualified minorities That isn't backed by any study that I have seen. Matter of fact, majority of the studies regarding race in the workforce shows that black sounding names are not desired and Asians are less likely of any race to receive a managerial promotion. White felons have a higher chance of getting hired over a black man with a clean record according to one study.

csgjusticecenter.org/.../

[Starrk]

@hellionthesagereborn

Now to your post where you talk about immigrants being the highest income earners. You are absolutely correct. Many immigrant from other countries tend to do better in the US then the natives do. This is due to the fact that many of these immigrants come from a culture that places a huge emphasis on success and education. Another reasons is because these INDIVIDUALS tend to be highly motivated for success. The US immigration process is a long lengthy and expensive process. This is due to many reasons but one indirect result of this long process is that it helps weed out those who are poor, lazy, unskilled and uneducated. Our immigration process is indirectly designed to accept those who are the cream of the crop in their respective country. That's one reason why immigrants from Nigeria, China, India, Taiwan, Japan, Europe, Haiti and etc not only out earn American natives, but also tend to be more educated then us.

[Starrk]

@hellionthesagereborn

Last but not least you made a comment that gave me an itch. You said, "In fact they where actually doing better in the era of segregation then they are now being more likely to graduate from school and to be employed. "

This is not entirely because of the family unit. This was because segregation forced the Black community to become independent and self-serving. Since they couldn't use the amenities and institutions that whites had, they had to congregate together and build their own communities and their own businesses and their own universities and be their own teachers. This over time lead to social mobility. But this mobility didn't end because of the family unit.

The end of segregation crippled black entrepreneurs, since the black population took their money and spent it at the institutions ran by the white entrepreneurs.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk Well for your first argument you where trying to argue that racism is prominent, I was pointing out it wasn't. No one is stupid enough to argue that their is no racism, what was being argued was that it is not systemic. But nice attempt at a straw man argument. So that was what was being argued which you where fully aware of and I proved empirically that the majority of people are not racist and their is no systemic racism otherwise these things could not have occurred. So please stop making up arguments.

My argument about democrats reeks? I'm ignorant about it? Really? So your going to tell me that all republicans decided all at once (or within a ten year time frame) for no particular reason to change their entire world view both moral, social and economical EXCEPT the part where they where not racist and then just call themselves democrats AND at the exact same time democrats decided for no particular reason to change their entire world, social, economic views EXCEPT

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk for the part where they where going to stay racist and then decided to call themselves republicans (I can only imagine it was for shits and giggles) and you, you are going to tell me that is a rational argument and assumption? Really? Do I actually have to explain why that is the most fucktarded idea that has been created? Seriously? I'm sure you can go down a long list of democrats who became republicans and then continued to talk about racism and segregation while you can go through an equally long list of democrats who where formally republicans but did not change their rhetoric when changing parties right? Like, I don't know Larry Byrd who was a democrat senator who also happened to be a KKK recruiter who then switched over to republicans? Oh wait, no he stayed a democrat until the day he died. Well you still have Lyndon B. Johnson, the notorious racist, oh wait he also remained a democrat until the day he died. Well there was one exception of Strom Therman but then he

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk Changed his rhetoric when he became a republican as the republicans did not tolerate racism (Martin Luther King Jr. was also a republican, weird right?). So inconclusion you are not only wrong but you should feel bad for trying to make that idiotic argument, an argument so stupid that only a cursory look at it would show you the flaw in that reasoning. Seriously, how stupid do people have to be to believe in something that requires that many assumptions and with no actual data to back it? Pretty god damn stupid; and that is coming from some one who isn't even a republican. Hey lets go through a list of racist laws and figure out which party voted for them. Oh wait, that's not a really good game because litereally all of them where proposed and passed by democrats. Hell even the civil rights acts of the 60s was just a rehashing of republican laws and annulments of democrats laws. Probably why it got over 90% of the republican vote. So wrong again son.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk https://youtu.be/yu2VsZPplug
blackrepublican.blogspot.com/.../...s-did-not.html
freedomdaily.com/.../
www.nationalreview.com/.../myth-republican-racism-mona-charen
Of course common sense could have told you that.

As for racial quotas in schools, yes I agree though I think this same thing happens to people in general (and in fact this has been shown to be true) but yes that is true. However again, you look at it through a rather racist lens as you again ignore that it does push those who are not minorities out even though they may be better qualified simply because of their skin color.

As for workplace, well we do know that its a thing because again I gave you one prominent example for it and businesses can and do get sued for discrimination if they don't hire. Is there some discrimination with "black sounding names" of course. But you, as per usual, ignore the why.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk Why do black sounding names get discriminated against? Because they have disporportiant criminal records. Blacks are more likely to commit pretty much every single crime their is (with the exception of embezzlement which is primarily commited by whites). So they are a risk, a big risk and if they have "black sounding" names this implies they probably where more likely to be from impoverished homes and thus more likely to commit these crimes (and before you claim racism, its not because they are black its because the native black population in America is far more likely to have fatherless homes which are far more likely to result in poverty, criminal behavior, more likely to result in these children to drop out of school, abuse various illicit substances, be promiscuous etc.). Though to be fair a lot of other data suggest that this descriminiation is not very prominent, especially when it comes to government work where blacks are disproportionately more likely to get that kind

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk of work: www.theoccidentalobserver.net/.../
www.martynemko.com/.../are-white-males-getting-shortchanged_id1229
So again, we need to ask why these things happen instead of just assuming that they happened because of evil white people. In fact their are complaints about how blacks are more likely to be pulled over and this is some how racism when in fact the reason they are more likely to get pulled over is because they are statistically more likely to drive without a seatbelt, more likely to have a light out etc. So it turns out its not evil racism, its just they are more likely to do things that warrant them getting pulled over (in fact you will find several older blacks mentioning this fact (I believe morgan freeman even mentioned that he never suffered from this kind of "racism" because he just obeys the law). So lets not divest actions from their consequences otherwise the problem doesn't get solved.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk As for your comment about immigration, yes what I said was true (I wouldn't have said it otherwise) however its very much intentional because you don't want to let in criminals or people who will weigh the society down into the country. However you do realize that you just acknowledged that it has nothing to do racism? That is they are fairing better because they worked for it ergo if a black man from Africa does better then a black man born in America then one cannot say that the system is rigged or that their is racism against blacks keeping the one black man down but some how doesn't (magically I presume) affect the other black man (who arguably had to overcome significantly greater obsticles such as the physical barrier of getting here, the legal barrier of getting a green card, the highering barrier (companies don't want to invest in a person who may end up leaving after a couple of years), the language barrier etc). So yes, I agree its not racism that's the problem.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk As for your last argument, we see that the moment the family unit was deemphasized was the moment that the black community started to slip. Yes its true that they had more business owners because it was harder to get a job outside of the black community but if what your saying is true then the white community and Hispanic and Asian and every other community should have felt the same exact impact as the black community, in fact they should have felt it much sooner, yet they are feeling it much later. Ergo we can say from a logical standpoint that this argument is not rational and in fact we can show empirically that single mother homes are less stable and produces less stable and less adjusted people then a fully intact family. Again this is empirical data.

[Starrk]

@hellionthesagereborn

TL;DR. But I did skim over it and just by glancing through that wall of BS I have found...

... strawmans,
... historical inaccuracies,
... hasty generalizations (you can't judge a person's character by their name)
... moving the goalpost
.. non-sequiturs
.. reification
.. false attribution
.. equivocation
.. and finally but not least, bias sources... like really? a white nationalist website is the best you can produce to prove your standpoint.

Anyway, concession accepted. :)

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk Wait what? So you didn't read it but you already know that I was entirely wrong, even though by your own admission you didn't actually look at anything I wrote and now your accusing me of using white nationalist as a source? When? Not that it matters if the data is right then its right, if a Nazi says that 2+2=4 then that doesn't mean its wrong, it just means he is right about this and he is a Nazi. So that's not an argument. At all. In fact you have to be fucking idiot to think that's an argument. I gave you a fucking black lawyer siting DOJ statistics, a fucking black senior fellow and professor at standford university listing off all the reasons what you said where wrong. How the flying fuck does that equal white nationalist? Are you fucking retarded? I mean that in all sincerity, because clearly you are missing a lot of brain cells. How can one person be that fucking retarded with out actually being retarded? Did you get hit in the head a lot as a child? Extra chromosome?

[Starrk]

@hellionthesagereborn

Like I said, I skimmed over it and just by doing that I encounter so many errors in logic and misconceptions, that it would be a waste of my time to comb to all that garbage. People have lives you know.

But the nail in the coffin was those bias sources you presented to me. Conservative sites, White nationalist sites and blogs that rely on anecdotal evidence is not legitimate evidence for their neutrality is put into question. Your Nazi example was flawed because Nazi were not Anti-Math so they would have no reason to be bias in answering a mathematic question. However, a white nationalist site (on hell any racial site) has every reason to be bias on topics of race.

I admit The Larry Elder video was interesting to watch.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk Sure you did princess. DOJ statistics are notoriously inaccurate, in fact statistics themselves are known to be illogical. For instance the bias bias you showed, just because some one is convinced of the legitamacy of their belief isn't necessrily wrong (if you took a logic class you would know that). Listen, I don't have time to argue with some one who is permanently stuck on stupid. I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, I tried being reasonable and I tried giving you all the data to show you the way to the truth and you failed spectacularly. Its my fault really, I keep having expectations from people, expecting that they will have the balls to be able to question their own beliefs and evaluate data and situations based upon reason and logic instead of feelings and ideology, and it seems more often then not I my faith is rewarded with disappointment. I suppose that's what I get for trying to discuss things with low IQ zealots.

[Starrk]

@hellionthesagereborn

You have a wonderful day too. :)

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Starrk Will do! :D

[John_Doesnt]

Every group in the world faces discrimination, but trying to say that whites face a majority of racism compared to the other groups is either ignorant or narcissistic.
You faced a few mild discriminations in your life (and you watch Fox News) and now you think you have the right to say "Whites face terrible discrimination". It's the same as rich people comparing their hardships to poor people. Sure being rich has its downfalls, but it is not a problem that needs to be addressed.

BTW: I'm white too and the reason I'm saying this is because you're making us look bad.

[PinkPandaBear180]

A few errors in your post. First, I never said whites face the majority of racism compared to other groups. Second, I watch Fox News? That conclusion is laughable at best. Third, I have the "right" to say whatever I want. I live in the United States, I have free speech. Lastly, what makes us (Americans) look bad are people like you who think it's an awful thing for people to have an opinion that goes against the politically correct mindset.

[John_Doesnt]

Only alt-right media would give people the idea that whites should be complaining about discrimination. And as for your "I have the right to say whatever I want" that applies to the people saying racist things about white people too.
Your last statement is pure nonsense, because everybody has an opinion which disagrees with another group. So naturally everybody would express that they don't like the other opinion.

[PinkPandaBear180]

Perhaps you should stop misquoting me. I formed the ideas that whites are experiencing discrimination through my own experience. Obviously everyone can racist things about white people too, but it's still racist. You don't seem to understand that. Read My last statement again. It was "Lastly, what makes us (Americans) look bad are people like you who think it's an awful thing for people to have an opinion that goes against the politically correct mindset." I never said it was wrong to disagree with another group. I said it was wrong when people act as if it is extremely awful to have an opinion that differs from the politically correct mindset. I am done wasting my time talking with you because all you seem interested in is regurgitating liberal bullshit that has been forced down the throats of the American people. You, my friend, need to learn that you are not always right.

[Vanjasper]

Though i agree with most of what you claim, you should have backed them up by citing sources.
There is a huge amount of reverse discrimination being experienced by the white majority in many countries. The reason is there is a vast amount of money being made from racism, as there is from all the "ism" and "ists" that afflict society today.
Any miniscule occurance of "racism" is used to try and justify the huge amounts of money being sloshed around this industry. As long as the "victims' are from the minority.

[evenlift]

There is definitely racism against whites.

But, the hatred isn't against a particular race as such. It is fundamentally hatred of the good for being the good.

Note how it's also often socially acceptable to be racist against Asians too. Why? Because Asians are successful.

Why do Eastern European countries seem to get less of this anti-white hatred? Because they are relatively unsuccessful. Note the weird sympathy that the Russian government gets from the far left (as well as from the far right).

[Turkish_Delight]

Do you know how being seen inferior because of your race? Nope. I'm Asian and I know. White supremacist cuckservatives tease me like "Mongolololololol" While I love and be friends with people from all races. I haven't met any black supremacists yet but I know they respect Asians like me, unlike white supremacists.

[TheSpartan]

Most "White Supremacists" I know talk often about how East Asians generally have higher IQs than Whites.

[Turkish_Delight]

@TheSpartan I'm a West Asian. Actuallu my ancestors were from Central Asia. And I don't think so. They say Asians seem clever because they study a lot.

[BigBlackCucks]

Blacks are very very racists towards Asians

[BigBlackCucks]

Turkish Delight is a black man not a Asian woman

[NerdInDenial]

Remember, only White people can be racist. lol.

Hating someone because of their creed or ethnicity is the essence of racism. Yes, you are right hating people is racist. Unfortunately, it's the popular thing to do. The sad thing is that "minority" groups have gotten many white people scared to describe people accurately. You cannot call someone Black or Asian or Mexican without sounding racist. The Western world has gone mad. I've traveled to many places. There is racism everywhere.

[Phoenix98]

I know right?

Buzzfeed told me black people are incapable of racism like it's scientifically not possible... I feel... I feel so lied to. ( kidding )

Yeah it happens all the time in reality but of course no one cares, whites being racist is all that matters. Whites are evil, whites are racist, whites are rich, whites are privileged, they basically make us out to be super villains. Which is not the case obviously.

O well that's the reality we live in.

[Philyouup]

Being White, I will say, I would still rather be white than live the issues of being black or Hispanic yesterday, today or tomorrow. Are their issues , yes.. for whites, no really issues and it is growing pains. Until I say I would rather be another race because how good they get it, those so called white people issues are just inconveniences

[Laura_Marx]

This is the shit that gets promoted on gag today. Irredeemable shithole

[PinkPandaBear180]

What's wrong with it?

[Laura_Marx]

White supremacist propaganda.

[PinkPandaBear180]

it's truly a shame you believe this is white supremacist propaganda. If only you would... I don't know maybe read the mytake you'd see you're wrong... unless you just hate on white people for having a voice.

[Laura_Marx]

Are you joking? "Muh internships", come on. You're an inch away from a jewish quota line. Just because you said you're not a white supremacist doesn't mean you aren't propogating white supremacist ideas

[PinkPandaBear180]

I honestly pity you for your unwarranted bitterness.

[GAGSUCKS333]

ok I agree, Blm is pretty stupid BUT you aren't problem solving. Per captia, blacks are more likely to get killed because there are simply more cops in the areas that they are in.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Also more likely to commit crimes, far more likely to resist arrest and shoot at police officers.

[GAGSUCKS333]

@hellionthesagereborn more likely to commit homocide and murder, get it right. Blacks only make 2/9 crime statistics annually while there are 6 million whites committing the majority of overall crime. now, lets say that your statement was correct, this does not excuse the fact of cops using excessive force on anybody in fact, its not even an argument to begin with. Cops are meant to protect others before themselves. That is what they signed up for. Dont like it? dont be a cop.

[hellionthesagereborn]

But they are not using excessive force, in fact studies show that they are far more likely to shoot a white person or Hispanic person comparative to a black person. As for crimes, 80% of all interracial violence commited is instigated by blacks, blacks are actually disporportiantley responsible for hate crimes, they commit all (at least all of statistical significance) interracial rapes. They are I believe its 9x more likely to commit armed robbery, they are 3x more likely to fire on police (in fact a police officer, if memory serves is about 20% more likely to be killed by a black offender then a black person is to be killed by a cop). So we know pretty conclusively that blacks are the root of the black communities problems. The fact is when you have fatherless homes the offspring of that are not well adjusted (80% of all convicts are from single mother homes). Its broken homes that are the problem not white people and definitely not cops.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@pinkesweet No, he is arguing with some one who actually went and did the research and gathered the data. He is arguing with some one so well versed in the data and who is willing to accept facts over self hatred. We know what the problem is, as I pointed out its broken homes, but liberals refuse to address the issue because as long as whites are the boogymen then blacks will continue to vote for them, as long as they claim whites are out to get them they can continue to get their votes. That's why blacks fair worse in liberal cities and states then conservative ones (statistically speaking, they have higher rates of poverty and violence). But what do I know? I'm just the guy pointing out how we can solve the problem end the extreme violence and poverty in the black community, reverse their declining population and make every ones life better rather then hating myself and encouraging self destruction.

[GAGSUCKS333]

@hellionthesagereborn ''in fact studies show that they are far more likely to shoot a white person or Hispanic person comparative to a black person''

that study you got is false and goes against common sense. the majority of stop and frisks and mass incarcerations are done in ghettos due to drug crimes which means there will be an abundance of cops in these areas. whatever study you are using is confusing overall consensus with per captia. There is a difference between using logic and sense and just overall denying. Yes, blacks take responsibility on crimes, I never negated anything in that manner BUT what I did say was the obvious which is blacks are more likely to get killed due to the area they are in. you aren't even arguing with my points. hispanics are the second most likely to get killed by cops on average. Whites will always have more counts because they simply are the majority of the nation. now, besides that, the amount of crime rampad is not an excuse for cops to go and..

[GAGSUCKS333]

@hellionthesagereborn kill innocents. The majority of criminals are repeat offenders, and about 4/13 blacks actually are the ones committing crimes. my problem is the obvious fact of cops killing innocents in these areas because they use the ''well blacks are more likely to shoot back at me'' argument. Thats not an excuse. Like I clearly said before, cops are meant to protect people, not hold their hand on a gun because somebody is black. The majority of blacks are not like this. is there a big portion that are? yes. But that is never an excuse for what you are trying to pull right now.

[GAGSUCKS333]

@hellionthesagereborn you are literally making no sense and you clearly lack basic comprehension skills. You argued points I never made and completely misinterpreted and twisted the point of my reply. I clearly stated that BLM is stupid, but the obvious fact is there are more blacks at a fixed rate getting killed by cops.

[GAGSUCKS333]

and your stats are not right at all. you literally said they are more likely to commit more crimes, when they only make up 2/9ths of the actual crime statistics, thats an actual stat from the FBI by the way

[hellionthesagereborn]

So your argument is that its not true because you don't believe it? That is a shit argument. So fine, I don't believe what you say there fore it cannot be true. Now what? Well now we are left with facts. Here they are: reason.com/.../study-people-more-likely-to-shoot-white
www.washingtontimes.com/.../
www.dailywire.com/.../5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler
So what we know statistically is that blacks are disproportionately responsible for crimes, again 52% of murders are commited by blacks despite the fact that they only make up 12.5% of the population, they are significantly more likely to commit hate crimes, again disproportionately to their overall population percentage. So we know that this is happening. We also know that its because of the break down of the black family as single parenthood is incredibly damaging to children and increases the odds of them getting into substance abuse and crime and various other things.

[hellionthesagereborn]

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
So arguing from incredulity is not an argument, its an attempt to avoid confrontation of the very real fact that what I am saying is absolutely true. The issue isn't blacks, its black criminality and more importantly the complete breakdown in the black family that is causing these issues both of which are really easy to fix but people don't want to talk about it and bring it up so we can fix the problem because its deemed "racist". Ironic since the people talking about it are the ones who are more concerned about the black community then the black community seems to be. So as I stated, the reason they are being killed at a "disproportionate" rate is because they are disproportionately responsible for crimes. So your argument isn't rational, your saying black lives matter is stupid, well great but your also trying to argue that the black community is not responsible for the consequences of their actions when they in fact are.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@pinkesweet Some one disagreeing with you doesn't mean they are stupid, it means they disagree and perhaps are better versed on the topic then you, in this case I am because I did the research rather then simply repeat what the majority say. Majority opinion does not in any way affect facts. In fact it very frequently obscures them and hides them. You can tell when this is the case by how people refuse to discuss the topic, they hide from the argument (as you did) or attempt to attack the person instead of actually listening to and reviewing the argument made (again something you did not do).

[GAGSUCKS333]

@hellionthesagereborn ''So your argument is that its not true because you don't believe it''

I am convinced that you can't read. NO THAT IS NOT MY ARGUMENT. Also, did you REALLY just post washington times and the daily wire was evidence? seriously? GET AN OFFICIAL SOURCE and you will be taken more seriously.

''So what we know statistically is that blacks are disproportionately responsible for crimes, again 52% of murders are commited by blacks despite the fact that they only make up 12.5% of the populatio''

again, I never said NOTHING against them being more likely to commit murder or robbery however you said a wrong stat which was they are more likely commit more crime in general. I schooled you on it plain and simple and you are to arrogant to see that. Also, dont change this to broken homes because never did I say that I take the blame off of them and say its the cops fault rather, I said they are getting killed at a fix rate. you are literally arguing about points I never made

[AleDeEurope]

Uh oh... you're gonna piss off the racist chicks xD

[Peachman]

Good job on getting the issue perfectly summed up without pissing of people

keep up the good work (thumbs up)

[Anonymous]

Strange how those #ALLlivesmatter guys get angry when they hear "black lives matter".

And I never read #Muslimlivesmattertoo when their country started bombing a Muslim country.

[Leandri]

If I take South Africa as an example then I would say that whites do not have any rights

[windfall2017]

IF you live in a redneck state, your life will be rainbows and sunshine.

[es20490446e]

https://youtu.be/Y7nGso886Ps