Why I No Longer Consider Myself MGTOW

[Wwwyzzerdd]

TL;DR: This probably isn't going to go over well since people are probably going to judge me about my own life or give me shitty advice on how to on dating women but here goes.

I no longer consider myself MGTOW. I'm taking the purple pill. MRA and MGTOW doesn't have it right either. The men who have stepped into the roles of being "Monks", or MGTOWs with a channel/podcast/stream who self isolate themselves into creativity (not the actual definition of mgtow monk), virtually all those talking heads have some good wisdom yet it's mired in misogyny.

Women are good! NAWALT is a thing! Some women don't care being a sex object because that's exactly their perspective on men! Some women will hate me just for coming to that conclusion and not thinking emotionally!

I was raised around rabid feminists. Like, foaming at the mouth radicalized. I HAVE BEEN TO BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and they showed me the worst women had to offer.

Yet when I left those environments and started seeking places that catered to my needs/wants I found that I found women that were nothing like those I had been raised around.

The reason I went MGTOW was because women have become invasive. There is nothing sacred that men have where you won't find some female trying to edge her way in. Or, worse, she already has done that and ruined what was attractive in the first place about that thing that us men liked.

What I've found is that if she shows me the nice things about her, then she is a likeable person. Each person is an individual: how they approach life, present themselves, and carry themselves matters because perspective is everything. I'm an individual too and if she leads with bad attitude, impatience, lack of communication skills, not prioritizing me as if I was an extension of her, shames me for any reason instead of trying to reason with logic, is hypergamous, is intimidating through her callous body language, verbally attacks me for showing interest, and/or is generally unlovable then I'm not going to go out of my way to chase her. I gave up chasing because of the verbally abusive women.

In fact I've given up dating entirely. I've this feeling as if I had a ticket to the dating pool but now I've made it impossible to find a match unless I date a younger women due to my standards.

Pretty much every woman around me has become a single mother. I don't want to date or be in a relationship with a woman who prioritizes her child over our relationship because she chose to make a mistake by investing in a manchild. Every one of the single mother's I've come across in my life have had a manchild for a baby daddy. Why should I have to help raise a child that he either refuses or can't? That's unfair to me. She's expecting me to unfairly give up my life for her mistakes... Will she do the same for me? No, she won't reciprocate and that is why I don't find single mothers attractive. Fuck that was a long side branch but I don't feel I could post "I don't like single mothers" here without severe backlash for a week, bickering in the comments section over my opinion.

Due to me not being attracted to single mothers, I have to date younger in the dating pool. Sure, there are a few career women who didn't have kids or get married after they turned 30 but it's rare. I lump them into the category of Unicorns: Women who I'm attracted to but like a unicorn they are pretty much extinct and rarer than a Mew Two.

I cut most women out of my life a couple years back when I felt like MGTOW had finally put a voice on what I had been experiencing but couldn't quite put into words myself. Radicalized feminism has poisoned women's rights and feminist has become synonymous with misandry due to those radicals. Honestly it's my core belief that feminism gained traction in the 90's when I was a child due to the monetization of women's rights under the guise of empowerment. It's become SOOOOOOO commonplace in business to use empowerment to lure in females that it's disgusting, those people don't even know why they are responding the way they are because they are oblivious consumers. Yeah I just called females people. Try to label me misandrist now you fucking cucks reading this, cognitive dissonance working overdrive while you mash away on the keyboard.

Women need empowerment, sure, but it's costing our society it's sanity. Politically Correct culture sucks, nobody likes PC Principal. People have sex and they fucking love it. Feminism and MGTOW don't really account for that. I can't continue waving a banner I don't support. Even nazis defected from the 3rd Reich because they couldn't justify the actions of their party.

I'm choosing to label myself human. That's what I am. That's what I'll be when I die. As far as my sexual orientation I'd have to at this point say asexual. I have difficulty enjoying sex due to my lack of intimacy with women, my pair bonding hormones have all but atrophied. I've had other military veterans confide in me these problems, the lack of connectedness even with spouses. I believe it is a hormonal imbalance caused by military service where men are socially isolated via training programs the military has where enlisted personnel are forbidden from having workplace relationships so the only people available are civilians but all those are dudes so good luck the only place to find sex is from some drunk girl at the club if your lucky otherwise you hopefully find that one dude who has a massive hard drive collection of porn. This causes a cycle of desperation and no woman wants a desperate man who only wants casual sex due to his work requirements because she either becomes a dependent or military relationships are 1 night stands often is the case. The military will not admit to destroying people's social lives. They even refuse to give sexual rehabilitation services at Veterans Affairs clinics.

I've found myself having difficulty maintaining arousal during sex, even with women I consider attractive. I don't blame porn, I blame my physiology. My hormones are so out of whack from going without sex for so long that I don't respond normally like other guys. This causes the girl to get concerned, ask me whats wrong, and then I have to try to come up with some excuse. In my lifetime I've had sex maybe 12 times. Total. So at this point I feel asexual is a proper label because I don't have normal responses, I don't chase, and I don't have anyone I'm attracted to in my life.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

Seen a lot of talk of blue/red/purple/black (?) pilling in/out of the matrix in both this take and comments... A word of wisdom - as much as I empathise with guys who become mgtow/mra or whatever, all these acronyms serve to do is create a characterisation of those who claim to have "left the matrix".

As much as I disagree with all these guys "opting out" of relationships, I never the less FULLY UNDERSTAND the reasons why; the implications behind having to deal with such degenerate behaviour from a great many women in their lives thus far.

However, I think feel that the personal life experiences of many of these guys, leads them to fundamentally misunderstand the true nature of the reality around us. For those interested, it be worth looking up on the HEGELIAN DIALECTIC, the expression of "thesis and antithesis".

(((The powers that be))) who print our money, control our media and even more importantly, our culture, are looking to demographically displace and replace a great many of us (see: Agenda 21 and Practical Idealism by non other than Count Richard Von Coudenhove-Kalergi)... In and amongst other huge issues such as mass immigration, the destruction of male-female relations is proving a f**king fantastic method of degenerating and depopulating us so far...

What does all this waffle have to with the issue of feminism, mgtow and, as already mentioned, the feeling amongst many men (and women!) that relationships are harder to maintain these days, that people meaner, more narcissistic than ever before? Well lets address the basic premise of the HEGELIAN DIALECTIC again:

We can follow this rather simple formula - feminism (thesis)+mgtow (anti-thesis)= bat shit crazy self entitled women+weak, emasculated and demoralised men*social and sexual disenfranchising of both genders to the power of 10000...

Mgtow is a haven for the emasculated man, feminism and a. degenerate culture and the spinelss cuckolded men perpetuate the shit behavior from women.

Wanna fix this genocidal scenario?

Men, strap on those lost cock n balls, teach the women that whislt we can't live without ya's (which we can't!), we we are not standing for your degeneracy any more!!! When women the power of the MAN return, they shall be tamed, we must reshape our culture, destory chivalry, and show these silly bints we are the builders of civilisation!!!

Or we can continue playing into globslist hands, and ostracising ourselves from one another... This weaknes us!!

[Wwwyzzerdd]

You win a gold star.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

Nice one. Hoping it resonated!

[Sjane13]

Excessive porn use causes erectile dysfunction. Many scientific studies have shown this.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

@Sjane13
Aye, the circles I move in do not advocate the consumption of porn. It is the first step towards emasculation (visual cuckoldery), though I don't buy into the "nofap" nonsense.

Even healthy sexuality is like a pressure valve, it does need to be released from time to time.

[Sjane13]

Sorry, my comment wasn't meant for you, I was trying to reply to the OP. But yes, I agree that healthy sexuality is indeed like a pressure valve. Everyone needs release, and I don't think that masturbation in and of itself is wrong or unhealthy. As a matter of fact, men need that release probably more than women, if for no other reason than to maintain prostate health. I was just pointing out that porn is not healthy. The OP stated that he finds himself unable to be aroused by women, but he doesn't blame porn, wheb that might very well be part of the problem.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

@Sjane13
Ah ok no problem, it's been a long while since this post was put up I think, had to jog my memory for a second there! Certainly, I'd say the prostate plays a large role in keeping a man sexually (and generally) healthy. As for porn it pushes otherwise normal people into normalising more and more abnormal and extreme forms of "sex", and warps perceptions, definitely one of the causes of erectile dysfunction. I mean if a man goes from finding say, analysis scenes highly erotic, to then having to watch bizarre he-she porn just to get off then it's no wonder he's limp IRL.

Alas the emasculating (and warping) effects of it.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

Anal scenes*

[Unit1]

Nice!
I too quit MGTOW on February 2015 mainly because of the overwhelming misogyny.
I am always shaking my head whenever I hear misogynists and MGTOWs saying anything derogatory related to women as a whole (AWALT, All women...).
Women have shown me far better behavior and conversations than misogynists/MGTOW and vice versa did men compared to misandrists/feminazis.
Now I am desiring women and can't imagine life without them. The things women did FOR me (which outweigh what women did TO me) I have not noticed until my revelation about MGTOW basically hating women.

Not all MGTOW are misogynists and not all feminists are misandrists. But the major members of it give them a bad image.

What I also noticed is if 2 people of different genders ask the same question, Representative of MGTOW usually respond with respect and manners to the one, who is the male and derogatory to the one, who is the female. For example is a man said "I know, what I want in life." then the response is "That's good. Here's how you can do it..." to the male and "So do i! I want a bj! Knowing what you want is not a skill set you *censored*!" to the female questioner. Which has basically repelled me. Such behavior can be commonly found.

But the funny thing is, it were the WOMEN, who got me out of the bitterness and helping me leaving MGTOW.

I have not too long ago realized, that women are actually our friends and partners! Not our enemies. Sheesh!
For every "all women..." there is an equal "all men..." out there.

[Unit1]

Also it is a grand idea to label yourself "human" instead of "mgtow", "liberal", "conservationist", "republican", "feminist" and so on... labels are for products on sale. You and me both and many others are human beings with feelings!

Here is basically what the "average", rabid, red-pill-enraged or misogynistic MGHOW thinks
http://i.imgur.com/h5aP472.png

And remember, I said "average" for a reason. And I repeat: Not all MGTOW/Feminists hate the opposite sex.

[cth96190]

Women our 'friends and partners'?
Clearly, you have not been arse raped by a woman in a divorce court. . . yet.
Nor have you been the target of a false rape allegation, or impoverished for life by a child-support order that followed a woman lying to you about being on birth control.
Please let me know if you maintain your current position after one, or more, of those things happens to you.
At least half the female population are toxic, hateful, lying, delusional predators.
The women who are in your age range are in the grip of the bad-boy fixation, so if you are a decent young man they will reject you. They will say that you are 'boring', or 'lame'.
When they get to about the age of 30, they will decide that they are 'ready for a good man' and will come sniffing around and expect you to forget those years of rejection and loneliness.
So. . . you might marry one of those former carousel riders.
On average, eight years later she will divorce you and steal everything that you own.

[Unit1]

@cth96190 i don't blame you for being MGTOW after such an experience but i can only take such responses with a grain of salt at maximum. The reality where i am does not have this madness going on and i see it only on the internet.

[cth96190]

@Unit1
You should look up divorce and other statistics. You will see that what I wrote about is happening throughout the Western world.

[Unit1]

@cth96190 man i don't care about that since i am not planning to marry for sure. And i think "western world" today is an exaggeration.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

@cth96190 My father divorced when I was 5. While it wasn't me going through the process I had to deal with my parents failing relationship. It affected the rest of my life. However, I got to a point where I realized both my parents failed their relationship. I also realized that MGTOW sends the wrong message of avoid marriage instead of teaching other men how to build lasting relationships. In fact it's the very self destructive reactionary nature of MGTOW that has turned me off of it.

[Unit1]

" MGTOW sends the wrong message of avoid marriage instead of teaching other men how to build lasting relationships. In fact it's the very self destructive reactionary nature of MGTOW that has turned me off of it."

Me too, wyzard! Me too!
I will not tolerate such behavior. MGTOW is today the male variant of radical feminism. Both have one common goal but hate each other.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Agreed

[TooskilledforU]

First of all, Acronyms are ridiculous.

Second of all, we should not need feminism or the Men's Rights groups, we just need to care about and respect each other and it will solve all of our problems. Some people say "oh I cannot respect their needs because they cannot respect mine!" What is this Kindergarten? Be a good person regardless of what those around you are doing.

Third of all, I think that both groups are dumb, most feminists cannot agree with each other on what feminism actually stands for and even the word "feminism" is contradictory because it is very one-sided despite being for equality, and how can you be in a group where no one agrees (all Congress jokes aside) or that the name of the group is hypocritical? Also, the Men's rights groups were born as a counterbalance to some extreme feminists which any group that arose as only a counterbalance to another group is usually just as bad as the group that they are trying to oppose. Just everyone please drop the labels and treat each other with respect. Women, be nice to and respect men, and men, be nice to and respect women, there problem solved, no need for feminism or Men's rights groups. Let us come together and help each other with our issues, making separate groups only divides us more.

[BeeNee]

This is the most sane and rational analysis that I've read of the reality of these two odd ends of the spectrum. Too many of these groups and subgroups have an all or nothing perspective on the relations and rights of men and women. Are men REALLY the source of all your problems? Are women? No. It's a lot like kids who blame their parents for every thing gone wrong in their life, when as adults, who don't live at home, they have the ability to change and grow on their own which has nothing to do with a parent anymore. The same with relationships. You have the bad and you have the good, but when you let a few bad define everything about your entire future, you walk right into the world of fatalism where you set yourself up for failure because you simply believe that either all men or women are inherently bad or out to destroy you when that is hardly the case. As you've mentioned, don't let other people's negative behavior inform you as to how I should act.

[BeeNee]

If you're nice, continue to be nice, and you may open the door to someone who is or feels the same, but close that door permanently and walk away, and you've doomed yourself, but rather than accept that as the fate you created for yourself, you will use women or men as the scape goat for your own actions which will only hurt that person. Repect one another. Treat people on an individual basis. There is no all or nothing, and no strict black and white divide when it comes to human interaction and relations. Well said.

[Jryson]

I'm the same way. I just don't give an f about females or their presence anymore. I got treated like TOTAL crap before I got the 4 and ride, then traveled. Now females see my clothes, ride, hear me talking about places I've gone to or am going to... and smile, asking me questions and wanting to get to know me. I ignore them completely, walk off, and drive off. I can't remember the last time I even spent a penny on one. Labels? I'm waaaaaayyyyyyy past that point. The crap treatment and labeling me went on for YEARS. I don't have a label. I just don't give a f about them or what they want anymore. It's MY $, MY life, MY travels. THEY had ZERO to do with building it in any way. So they deserve NONE of it.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Yeah women have made themselves useless in my life by doing the same things. Now they wonder why I won't give them the time of day... She doesn't realize that women made me this way with their abusive behaviors. They want the cake but don't want to help make it.

[backdoorman]

MGTOW is the equal but opposite reaction to feminism, and since I don't believe two wrongs make a right, I do not support either.

Instead, I support unbiased equality for all, without the sexism and us-versus-them mentality that inevitably comes with any gender-specific movement. Right is right and we don't need a gender based movement to know that.

[cth96190]

MGTOW is not a wrong. It is a rational survival strategy.
The only way for a man to win is to not play the game.

[backdoorman]

@cth96190 I don't disagree with what you said, but unfortunately MGTOW, like feminism, is also home to a lot of hatred toward the other sex. That is the "wrong" I was referring to.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Pretty much the same conclusions I came to. I got tired being labeled sexist for my philosophical views and hearing misogyny from so called monks. I agree with MGTOW principles but many of the streams, comments, etc are mired in unfounded sexism or hate.

[Lightspeed-Lemon]

How about everyone forget about these modern-day "religions" like MGTOW, feminism, Black Lives Matter, politics, etc? Instead, be an individual and think for yourself. Not everything has to be a movement with signs and placards. You can't go your own way by just thinking what others told you to think and going where they told you to go.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

I see your point and I agree, hence the change. I've always taken MGTOW with a grain of salt, some of the stuff I've seen/heard is just wrong.

[cth96190]

@Wwwyzzerdd has returned to the Matrix.
May the chains of your slavery rest lightly upon you.
Let us know if you change your view after a woman has arse raped you in divorce court, or impoverished you for life via a child-support order after she lied to you about being on the pill.
Or a woman makes a false rape allegation after you have sex following a date, because she had morning-after regret and her rationalisation hamster dealt with the regret by deciding that you raped her.
Not all modern women are toxic, predatory, hateful, delusional liars, but there is a probability of at least 50 per cent that any woman with whom you form a relationship will be and the cost of getting it wrong will destroy you for life.
Half (or more) of the Skittles in the bowl are poisoned. Would you like to choose one?

[Wwwyzzerdd]

I don't plan on getting married. I haven't returned to anything, I've been here the whole time... Watching. I've seen what you're talking about. Like I said, I'm asexual at this point because of my low drive for sex with another human that I can't trust.

[dipta]

"Some women don't care being a sex object because that's exactly their perspective on men!"

I find that very elucidating, haha.
Don't know if single mothers would call their own children 'mistakes' since I suppose that for many that's the best thing they probably got from the relationship, but it certainly is all a matter of perspective and you're by no means obliged to date any of them.

As for sexual issues, well, I think that's probably something you might be able to recover natural if or when you actually find your unicorn.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Isn't going to happen. I'm broken.

[dipta]

Don't say that..
It seems to me you're finding it difficult to relate with people around you or society in general, but be sure many people, men or women, feel the same way.
I don't know in the city or country you live in, but the world is so vast and full of different people.
We shouldn't overthink things.

Well, I don't really know what you're looking for, but here in Japan there are many people who live well in their forties single and even virgins.
I know of people who have experienced that same kind of problem but, with time and gradual changes in their lifestyles (being alone they also lead bad lifestyles, not eating properly, sleeping, exercising...), they seem to have recovered just fine and have also started a family.

[castratedwhiteguy]

Interesting My Take. We all feel this way sometimes. Here's a song that you might be able to relate to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zml4XumMDEY

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Good song

[John_Doesnt]

Men stop being MGTOW as soon as they get a decent girlfriend/wife.

[CasaNorba]

hey for once I agree with you on something!

[cth96190]

What John does appears to not understand is that MGTOW will not 'get a decent girlfriend/wife' because they are no longer interested in interacting with women in any way.

[John_Doesnt]

@cth96190 haha, you're bitter.
cdn.meme.am/.../...ebody-has-some-mommy-issues.jpg

[cth96190]

@John_Doesnt
I expect to confess to experiencing an extended moment of schadenfreude after we learn that, one day in the future, you are arse raped in divorce court by once of those good women.

[John_Doesnt]

@cth96190 again, I laugh at how bitter you are.

[CasaNorba]

@cth96190

true I mean obviously this mytake writer confess it himself when he said he feels asexual and can't seem to enjoy sex and interactions with women and that is why there is literally no turning back once you take the red pill. but yea john here is right because so far all the few mgtow dudes who do find a girlfriend do become somewhat of manginas again as if they never took the red pill before. now I'm not saying I have anything against mgtow men who swallow their prides and find themselves a girlfriend and whatever, but if they do I think they should never make that mistake of pretending to be manginas once more because with that they are fucking themselves up.

[CasaNorba]

I mean if a mgtow finds a girlfriend is his right to keep up with the relationship but I think the biggest mistake he can do is once again pretend that he never took the red pill in the first place. I mean think about it we don't see feminists who are married or have boyfriends stop being feminists

[Wwwyzzerdd]

I have to agree with @cth96190, I am not longer concerned with "getting a decent girlfriend or wife". I went my own way, saw how misogynistic the community of my peers was, and I don't like it. I don't belong anywhere, I create my own little bubble to live in and if I have to live/die alone to maintain peace of mind/contentment then so be it. At this point I'm numb having constant disappointing experiences with the worst women have to offer. Call it mommy issues if you want but women won't admit to the damage they do to men like me.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

@CasaNorba MGTOW's can date and still be red pill.

[John_Doesnt]

and you don't think that's sad?

[CasaNorba]

@Wwwyzzerdd then you should stay a red piller and spit out the purple piller otherwise your feeling of "asexualness" will reach new heights

[John_Doesnt]

@CasaNorba this debate is getting gay. Just go away.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

@CasaNorba I don't care, it's my life and society has proven they don't give a fuck about providing normal experiences. Didn't say I was gonna start dating again, merely that red pill's still interact with women despite their philosophical beliefs. I have the option but the feeling is gone.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Mute the post then if it's so annoying.

[Astoriana]

Hormones can't atrophy. Tissues atrophy. Hormones, being chemicals released by the body as messengers, essentially, cannot atrophy. You either produce enough or you don't. Similarly being around men all the time will not throw your hormones out of balance. That's not how that works.

[yulbsari]

There is a lot of truths here. I have also had some negative experiences with feminists, and I don't think I am a knuckle dragging neanderthal misogynist either. I have female friends who are feminist who think I'm fine, and others who are constantly criticizing me.

[TheYakspeaksback]

Unrelated comment but it popped in my head.
Shouldn't the comparison be to Mew? Since Mew is an event only Pokemon (or if you have an Action replay and diamond or pearl version) ? Mew Two can in deed be caught and traded more easily.
About the actual article, whatever you choose in life will be what's best for you. Do you and no one else :) (as in you do you and they'll do them)

[FakeName123]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mew_glitch

[Wwwyzzerdd]

@FakeName123 Just like pokemon, some trainers find the glitch and exploit it while some never find mew at all.

[CasaNorba]

nice!

so you're basically a fence-sitter now, this is not gonna be that good for you because in the end you're gonna come off as sort of a hypocrite because you're either in the matrix or you're out of it; once you take the red pill there is no turning back is what its always been said.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

The matrix had really shitty dialogue.

[CasaNorba]

I was talking about The Matrix as in the work of gynocentrism. if you pick the so called "purple pill" you are basically trying to connect yourself one minute and disconnect yourself the other which is what I met when I said you might come off as a "fence sitter." which is what both red pillers and mgtow members called the purple pillers at reddit

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Neo, Morpheus and Trinity could pass freely between both.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Like I said, the Matrix is a shitty analogy used to illustrate the Dark Web commonly and has also been applied to MGTOW. It's stupid. That's not the way life works, everything isn't always black and white.

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Fuck other people's perception of me. What the fuck good does their opinion do to my life? None. It adds no value and has no impact so fuck them and their small minded bullshit.

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[Wwwyzzerdd]

Lol nice pic

[rjroy3]

I came here for the pictures. That's a lot of abbreviations

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Did you like the pics I used?

[Vyrakh]

All one needs to know whether a political group is bad news is to question their tendencies of collectivism. Those tending towards collectivism (MGTOW, MRA, Feminism, Progressivism, & Conservatism to name a few) are always the problem...

[Wwwyzzerdd]

Yep when a group doesn't treat individuals as people something is wrong. Both MGTOW and Feminism encourage sexual repression which I don't agree with. That's denial of essential human biological functions.

[Likes2drive]

Interesting mytake, I got married at 31 and she had 2 boys , I had 3 daughters with her not long after and we were a family for years, just had a lot of financial issues later on and then usually marriage problems later. So I'm out there again but there is always someone that comes along so don't give up, those groups are just the extreme of both sexes

[Wwwyzzerdd]

No one ever comes along.

[Likes2drive]

You do have to put yourself out there though or nothing will come along

[RedVulcan]

Jesus. The veteran part makes so much sense when you add it up with the rest of your take.
I like it as a whole. It speaks of experience and wisdom earned by it, and it feels like you're speaking with eyes open.

[Regular1]

NAWALT, but they can become like that any time they choose. And if you've been foolish enough to put a ring on it, get ready to be ass-raped by her, her lawyer, the jack-boots in blue and the black-robed mafia.

[Harotz]

I consider myself a MGTOW, but I certainly don't hate women or encourage misogyny. When my MGTOW comrades are harassing a girl online, I try to encourage the girl to go WGTOW.

The reason why I am a MGTOW is because I don't want to marry or date or have children because I think it's pretty much impossible to find someone good in this corrupt, depraved, and vulgar world, so it's better to just walk alone.